I applaud you for bringing this vicious documentation to light - into the light of day indeed - thank you sir. It just goes to show how more and more, all the time, the things that people accept as normal because that's what they and their predecessors grew up to believe as true and right, need not and in so many cases, must not be considered the 'norm' or indeed normal as we understand the word today. I think circumcision is barbaric, uncivilized and should be outlawed, yet so many on/. defend it on completely spurious and irrational grounds - probably because of the insecurity of having had a part of themselves cut off - they must defend against all costs, even credibility on these boards. So be it. It's good to have a foreskin.
Or maybe, just maybe, because when you're whanging away at that thing, you just know that something is missing - and that gets in the way of feeling that complete feeling...just a thought. What would it be like if? When you've got it, it's the thing you were born with, it's yours. Nobody cut anything off. It's the business.
Lot of Jewish Doctors in the AMA. Complete culture whitewash. It's all a load of bollocks. Nobody wants to offend the eminent (often brilliant) Jewish doctors, so they acquiesce to this sort of cultural invasion. If you have kids here, you must insist on whether or not you want them circumcised. In some places it is the default procedure which is BARBARIC. Are Jews and Moslems barbaric in my opinion? Not wholly, but for being theist and advocating compulsory circumcision - yes. For that they are, as are these doctors who advocate it. Time to move on from this hokey bullshit people, time to move on...who would cut a perfectly healthy new born baby (apart from the umbilical which is part of the mother)? Not me. Not unless it was a genuine health problem, or matter of life and death.
Agree totally. Like, I live in daily fear of all kinds of cancer and am so worried that I'll die before I have achieved the american dream - huh? - actually no I live my life a completely as I can in my circumstances and I don't give a fucking fig about penile cancer or any other kind. I'll be keeping my foreskin, my arms, legs etc. unless there is a damn good reason to get rid of them. Intervention when necessary. Amputation of any sort should not be a preventative form of 'medicine' for anything in the human condition. Doctors are best avoided. They will find something wrong with you. When you start believing them, you succumb to the preventative medicine mania. Become a better judge of your own health and do the right things to keep you healthy.
Good hygiene? This is/. They haven't learned that bit yet and may never. On/. Island they know many things. But hygiene is not one of them. Let's leave Jesus out of it though. mmmkay?
Ah, the future! Can I still have my flying car when I'm hairless, toothless, without appendix, tonsils, gall bladder, prostate, foreskin - huh, huh, can I, can I?
'Twas God's arch nemesis Charles Beelzebub Darwin that perverted the course of his grand design to cause by way of Evolution (which had not existed before, these past 6000 years) the male human to have a foreskin - to make his most beloved of creatures (maaaaan!) repugnant to His most loathed (wimmin) of creations. And yea (YAY!) He, in his wisdom intelligently designed circumcision to get back at Darwin, and yea, doth the struggle between sheathed and unsheathed reign supreme in His name verily on/. Here endeth the lesson.
The medical profession is a business. That should be explanation enough. Need more? The more operations performed, the more money to be 'earned'. Case closed. Next!
Exactly what I was wondering - and I don't agree with you often! Is that duration, method, frequency or what the hell is that nonsense? Why do we even need to ask?
Uh, washing anyone? Those of you without foreskins seem to be desperately defending circumcision to justify the decision your parents or their pediatrician made, but the foreskin is just a bit of skin. It is not some impenetrable barrier! It's like saying, I can't get at my teeth to clean them so i must have my lips surgically removed. Jeez, some of you smart people are devilish stupid at times. Glad my kids still have their foreskins. They are whole and unscarred and know how to clean themselves. How about you? When did you last have a shower?
I don't think so. Look at your scrotum. It's the same kind of skin as the female 'labia'. That's not where the action happens. Female circumcision is way worse than that. It's cutting the clitoris off in most cases. That's like having your bell end amputated. Go ahead and try that sir, I think you will find your life and health greatly enhanced, if you don't throw yourself off a bridge first. Cutting parts off the body when there is no immediate medical need is barbaric and the AMA is a barbaric organization.
So don't fucking bother then. Fuck off and just don't do anything you want to do. Lie down and give up. I haven't. I've been doing it for years independently and I don't live in fear of being sued. Maybe you're so awesomely talented that you will be a star ******twinkle - but most creative people aren't and don't particularly want to be at that level. Yes, everybody wants money, but seriously you're getting beyond yourself. What have you got that you're so worried that it is derivative? Must be if you think it might be. Rethink it. you're a persistent fuck, I'll give you that. And in the end...I suspect a cross between a troll and a devil's advocate. And a standard old/. curmudgeon. Just make the music. Nobody is listening anyway friend.
I have to say as a musician and long time Wire fan that I have no problem with this Elastica track and really don't think there was any justification for a lawsuit. There rarely is, but I digress. It is just that little bit of guitar. But where did Wire get it from? It is not so profoundly unique that I would say - that belongs to Wire. It has a bit of boogie, glam, blues, just that it is so stripped and simplified and Elastica used the same two guitar stabs in basically the same way. Maybe they even sampled Wire. I don't know. But who really cares? Elastica made a very different piece of music, did they not? I remember playing a gig 20 something years ago and one of my songs (Vitriol) had a riff that was pretty close to Nirvana's electric version of Molly's lips. Some scum punk kept shouting angrily, white riot, white riot! totally interrupting the gig. As if to say that I'd ripped off the Clash. I'm no Clash fan and at the time had never even heard that track. So, to sum up, there's homage, there's respectful borrowing and there is outright stealing and it is often very difficult for some money grubbing people to accept the first two, happy to lawyer up and assume it is all theft and thus put fear into the faint heart of the likes of tepples who just can't seem to do anything because of his fear.
I think the reality is that no one is going to sue you unless you are worth suing. i.e. your song is very successful and makes you a lot of money. Otherwise why bother? There are thousands of artists writing and recording clearly derivative material that don't get sued because they are not worth suing. Personally, I think the artists creative approach should be to start out with a strong desire to be original and if something accidentally closely resembles a song or tune by another artist then it probably won't matter anyway unless there is significant money involved. Just go ahead and be creative and stop worrying, otherwise you won't do anything and will have self-stifled your own creativity.
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I applaud you for bringing this vicious documentation to light - into the light of day indeed - thank you sir. It just goes to show how more and more, all the time, the things that people accept as normal because that's what they and their predecessors grew up to believe as true and right, need not and in so many cases, must not be considered the 'norm' or indeed normal as we understand the word today. I think circumcision is barbaric, uncivilized and should be outlawed, yet so many on /. defend it on completely spurious and irrational grounds - probably because of the insecurity of having had a part of themselves cut off - they must defend against all costs, even credibility on these boards. So be it. It's good to have a foreskin.
Or maybe, just maybe, because when you're whanging away at that thing, you just know that something is missing - and that gets in the way of feeling that complete feeling...just a thought. What would it be like if? When you've got it, it's the thing you were born with, it's yours. Nobody cut anything off. It's the business.
Lot of Jewish Doctors in the AMA. Complete culture whitewash. It's all a load of bollocks. Nobody wants to offend the eminent (often brilliant) Jewish doctors, so they acquiesce to this sort of cultural invasion. If you have kids here, you must insist on whether or not you want them circumcised. In some places it is the default procedure which is BARBARIC. Are Jews and Moslems barbaric in my opinion? Not wholly, but for being theist and advocating compulsory circumcision - yes. For that they are, as are these doctors who advocate it. Time to move on from this hokey bullshit people, time to move on...who would cut a perfectly healthy new born baby (apart from the umbilical which is part of the mother)? Not me. Not unless it was a genuine health problem, or matter of life and death.
Agree totally. Like, I live in daily fear of all kinds of cancer and am so worried that I'll die before I have achieved the american dream - huh? - actually no I live my life a completely as I can in my circumstances and I don't give a fucking fig about penile cancer or any other kind. I'll be keeping my foreskin, my arms, legs etc. unless there is a damn good reason to get rid of them. Intervention when necessary. Amputation of any sort should not be a preventative form of 'medicine' for anything in the human condition. Doctors are best avoided. They will find something wrong with you. When you start believing them, you succumb to the preventative medicine mania. Become a better judge of your own health and do the right things to keep you healthy.
Very astute of you to sum this up so succinctly. How may I subscribe to your newsletter?
Good hygiene? This is /. They haven't learned that bit yet and may never. On /. Island they know many things. But hygiene is not one of them. Let's leave Jesus out of it though. mmmkay?
Mod this up. Big time.
It's just a hula hoop now. Crunchy.
Ah, the future! Can I still have my flying car when I'm hairless, toothless, without appendix, tonsils, gall bladder, prostate, foreskin - huh, huh, can I, can I?
'Twas God's arch nemesis Charles Beelzebub Darwin that perverted the course of his grand design to cause by way of Evolution (which had not existed before, these past 6000 years) the male human to have a foreskin - to make his most beloved of creatures (maaaaan!) repugnant to His most loathed (wimmin) of creations. And yea (YAY!) He, in his wisdom intelligently designed circumcision to get back at Darwin, and yea, doth the struggle between sheathed and unsheathed reign supreme in His name verily on /. Here endeth the lesson.
Exactly
Not much good for soap...another myth to add to yours...
Actually no. That is complete rubbish and you know it.
Mod this up!
Mod this AC up! Further!
The medical profession is a business. That should be explanation enough. Need more? The more operations performed, the more money to be 'earned'. Case closed. Next!
Exactly what I was wondering - and I don't agree with you often! Is that duration, method, frequency or what the hell is that nonsense? Why do we even need to ask?
Uh, washing anyone? Those of you without foreskins seem to be desperately defending circumcision to justify the decision your parents or their pediatrician made, but the foreskin is just a bit of skin. It is not some impenetrable barrier! It's like saying, I can't get at my teeth to clean them so i must have my lips surgically removed. Jeez, some of you smart people are devilish stupid at times. Glad my kids still have their foreskins. They are whole and unscarred and know how to clean themselves. How about you? When did you last have a shower?
I don't think so. Look at your scrotum. It's the same kind of skin as the female 'labia'. That's not where the action happens. Female circumcision is way worse than that. It's cutting the clitoris off in most cases. That's like having your bell end amputated. Go ahead and try that sir, I think you will find your life and health greatly enhanced, if you don't throw yourself off a bridge first. Cutting parts off the body when there is no immediate medical need is barbaric and the AMA is a barbaric organization.
that's what I came here to say.
So don't fucking bother then. Fuck off and just don't do anything you want to do. Lie down and give up. I haven't. I've been doing it for years independently and I don't live in fear of being sued. Maybe you're so awesomely talented that you will be a star ******twinkle - but most creative people aren't and don't particularly want to be at that level. Yes, everybody wants money, but seriously you're getting beyond yourself. What have you got that you're so worried that it is derivative? Must be if you think it might be. Rethink it. you're a persistent fuck, I'll give you that. And in the end...I suspect a cross between a troll and a devil's advocate. And a standard old /. curmudgeon. Just make the music. Nobody is listening anyway friend.
I have to say as a musician and long time Wire fan that I have no problem with this Elastica track and really don't think there was any justification for a lawsuit. There rarely is, but I digress. It is just that little bit of guitar. But where did Wire get it from? It is not so profoundly unique that I would say - that belongs to Wire. It has a bit of boogie, glam, blues, just that it is so stripped and simplified and Elastica used the same two guitar stabs in basically the same way. Maybe they even sampled Wire. I don't know. But who really cares? Elastica made a very different piece of music, did they not? I remember playing a gig 20 something years ago and one of my songs (Vitriol) had a riff that was pretty close to Nirvana's electric version of Molly's lips. Some scum punk kept shouting angrily, white riot, white riot! totally interrupting the gig. As if to say that I'd ripped off the Clash. I'm no Clash fan and at the time had never even heard that track. So, to sum up, there's homage, there's respectful borrowing and there is outright stealing and it is often very difficult for some money grubbing people to accept the first two, happy to lawyer up and assume it is all theft and thus put fear into the faint heart of the likes of tepples who just can't seem to do anything because of his fear.
I think the reality is that no one is going to sue you unless you are worth suing. i.e. your song is very successful and makes you a lot of money. Otherwise why bother? There are thousands of artists writing and recording clearly derivative material that don't get sued because they are not worth suing. Personally, I think the artists creative approach should be to start out with a strong desire to be original and if something accidentally closely resembles a song or tune by another artist then it probably won't matter anyway unless there is significant money involved. Just go ahead and be creative and stop worrying, otherwise you won't do anything and will have self-stifled your own creativity.
Why should you have to do that?
Appropriately ugly.