Yeah, but this is in the name of national security, just the way invading Iraq was.
It seems to me that a person who has spent his/her life working for the American dream, who finally saw the light at the end of the tunnel, only to discover that he was about to be decimated by the very train he thought he was a part of, might be inclined to go bomb the shit out of the people who fucked him over.
"The dog example is intended to refute the significance of your statement, because the robot is still restricted to the area covered by the grid, just like my parents' dog is confined to the area covered by the run."
All tethers are constraints, but not all constraints are tethers. You could also put a fence around the dog. Would you call a fence a tether?
Even in robotics, where the word tether is expanded to include control cables it's not used to describe a robot confined to some grid. Is an electric train tethered to the track? Is a fish tethered to the water?
"The practical benefit of a robot being "untethered" isn't simply the lack of a tether, but rather that the power source and control logic are contained onboard."
What about a radio controlled sailboat? Is it tethered to the water? To the wind? To the radio waves? Of course not. The lack of a tether does not imply onboard power and control. The two qualities are orthogonal.
"I guess I'll have to bow to your fantastically enormous level of expertise on the subject. "
Either that or look up the word in a dictionary.
"My parents' dog could go a hundred feet down to a tree in the backyard, take a dump, and come back, the whole time on a 20 foot leash attached with a pulley to a line that went between the tree and the house. For all practical purposes, the same thing."
WTF are you talking about? The dog can't go more than about 120 feet. If he wraps the leash (tether) around the tree, he won't be able to go back to the other end of the run.
"There are a lot of tethered robots that can't be hoisted by their tether, because the tether is designed to carry power and control signals rather than lift the robot."
And those cables are not designed to be tethers. It's a very simple word. Why do you insist on trying to impart new meaning on it?
"Also keep in mind that we don't carry this US trauma of the government being evil."
And no trauma from any other evil governments occupying the Netherlands? Imagine if you had this database in the 1940's. Dr. Mengele would have been ecstatic.
"the robot functions for all practical purposes as if it were tethered"
Even with weasel words you're wrong.
There's no tether at all. These robots could walk circles around a post forever and never get tangled up or run out of line. They could walk onto a grid-equipped train, ride to Cucamonga and continue their mission. If one of them fell off a cliff, you would have to climb down to retrieve it because there's NO TETHER.
"You say "Dodge pickup" like that was an American vehicle."
Well, despite Chrysler's German parent, the Dodge Ram is an American vehicle in design and manufacture. But my point was that the Camry is the fourth best-selling vehicle, not the first.
"The best selling car in the US is the Camry...again a Japanese brand.
But the best selling vehicle is the Ford pickup, followed by the Chevy pickup, followed by the Dodge pickup. The japanese pickups have yet to hit the top ten. Camry is the best selling "passenger car", at fourth.
"It [Camry] beats the next best selling American brand almost four to one!"
No, it's more like four to three over a Ford Taurus.
"American based auto companies have been losing market share at the hands of the Japanese and especially Toyota for some time now. In fact decades."
But they still outsell Japanese brands 3 units to 1.
"the best selling and known hybrid is (you guessed it), - Japanese and that is the Prius."
Hybrids are less than 1% of the market, so who cares? Prius is too expensive, too small and too slow. The battery replacement costs are still unknown. Collision repair on them is becoming a major headache for garages and insurance companies. The jury is still out on those cars.
"Do you drive a BUICK?"
I have two, an '87 and a '97. They're both fantastic cars.
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"US pornographers' decision to adopt the cheap convenient VHS - rather than rival Betamax - when the two systems were introduced in the 1970s killed off Betamax while sales of pornographic films drove take-up of video recorders."
Before video rental stores started popping up, porn was at least as common on Beta as it was on VHS. The victory went to VHS machines because the machines were cheaper and had a longer recording time. Once the public had decided on which machines to buy, the content sellers followed suit, further and further entrenching VHS.
The availability of porn had nothing to do with it.
According to what I heard from experts on NPR about one year ago, the feasability was marginal. Petrol has nearly doubled in price since then. Wikipedia confirms what I said, but feel free to show me evidence to the contrary.
"you would be anti-Bush no matter what the Bush administration does. It doesn't matter what evidence is presented, you know your position beforehand."
You know almost nothing about my ideology. Just to give you a hint, I voted for Reagan and Bush Senior. If Bush did something good, I'd credit him for it, though it's hard to imagine anything good enough to make up for the damage he has already done. I still think Nixon was a good president despite his fatal flaws.
It's you who has the strong bias. You seem to think that anyone who disagrees with Bush must have ulterior motives.
"there is 'evidence' that Vince Foster was murdered by the Clintons."
But that evidence was very weak and circumstantial, not that I support the Clintons either. The evidence I referred to regarding the present Bush administration is all part of the public record and there's nothing circumstantial about it.
"You 'anti-Bush all the time, anytime' nutcases do a good job of discrediting yourselves."
We are right about him. We knew that they weren't telling the truth about weapons evidence and we knew that the Iraq war was a mistake. We knew what a clown Rumsfeld is. We knew the agenda of Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz. We knew that America would be heading downhill when Bush "won" the election.
Just as support for the war in Iraq is plummeting, so is support for the man who started it.
That's what they are telling us, but they are lying. GW Bush is a liar. Let me say it so you can hear me, BUSH IS A LIAR.
The entire administration is based on lies. They stole two elections. They ignored intelligence which would/could/should have prevented 9/11. They started wars where there were none and where the US had no business starting them. They made rogues of us.
This is not about protecting national interests; it's about building power for a federal government controlled by a greedy, self-righteous, anti-American scumbag named GW Bush.
Do you thing it's just a coincidence that every catastrophe conveniently creates huge profit opportunities for Bush's and Cheney's corrupt business partners. The economy is in the toilet, yet Halliburton and the oil companies are making record profits. Are you so naive or so brainwashed that you can't see what's going on right under your nose?
Sure, it may be sensitive information to reveal the exact flaw in body armor, but don't you think the enemy already knows that the armor is fallible? Don't you know that the military is always lying about the bad stuff they expose GI's to? Do you remember Agent Orange? Why, for the first time in our history, have they censored pictures of GIs coming home in coffins?
If you want to talk about national interests, let's talk about thousands of dead people on the gulf coast who should have been protected by Bush's old roommate, incompetent equestrian judge, and even less capable FEMA director, Mike Brown. Bush said "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." Give me a break. Did he really say that? Yes, he did. They knew for sure that they would find WMD in Iraq, but they had no idea about the structural limits of a key naval port? I say he's an evil SOB, but even if I give him the benefit of the doubt, the only other conclusion I can reach is that he's as dumb as a bag of rocks.
Bush is destroying this country. The best way to protect national interests would be to remove him from office.
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Yeah, but this is in the name of national security, just the way invading Iraq was.
It seems to me that a person who has spent his/her life working for the American dream, who finally saw the light at the end of the tunnel, only to discover that he was about to be decimated by the very train he thought he was a part of, might be inclined to go bomb the shit out of the people who fucked him over.
I'd be inclined to buy that person a beer.
At first I thought you were a marketing genius, then I read the subject.
That's the problem with Windows. It's only $199 if you don't value your time.
Paw: Maw, what's pertenchous?
Maw: Not sure, Paw. I reckon it must be city-talk for snooty.
"The dog example is intended to refute the significance of your statement, because the robot is still restricted to the area covered by the grid, just like my parents' dog is confined to the area covered by the run."
All tethers are constraints, but not all constraints are tethers. You could also put a fence around the dog. Would you call a fence a tether?
Even in robotics, where the word tether is expanded to include control cables it's not used to describe a robot confined to some grid. Is an electric train tethered to the track? Is a fish tethered to the water?
"The practical benefit of a robot being "untethered" isn't simply the lack of a tether, but rather that the power source and control logic are contained onboard."
What about a radio controlled sailboat? Is it tethered to the water? To the wind? To the radio waves? Of course not. The lack of a tether does not imply onboard power and control. The two qualities are orthogonal.
"we already do a, b, and c, so there's no harm in doing d"
"now we're just expanding"
That's what makes for slippery slopes.
"I guess I'll have to bow to your fantastically enormous level of expertise on the subject. "
Either that or look up the word in a dictionary.
"My parents' dog could go a hundred feet down to a tree in the backyard, take a dump, and come back, the whole time on a 20 foot leash attached with a pulley to a line that went between the tree and the house. For all practical purposes, the same thing."
WTF are you talking about? The dog can't go more than about 120 feet. If he wraps the leash (tether) around the tree, he won't be able to go back to the other end of the run.
"There are a lot of tethered robots that can't be hoisted by their tether, because the tether is designed to carry power and control signals rather than lift the robot."
And those cables are not designed to be tethers. It's a very simple word. Why do you insist on trying to impart new meaning on it?
"Also keep in mind that we don't carry this US trauma of the government being evil."
And no trauma from any other evil governments occupying the Netherlands? Imagine if you had this database in the 1940's. Dr. Mengele would have been ecstatic.
"so even though there's no literal tether"
"the robot functions for all practical purposes as if it were tethered"
Even with weasel words you're wrong.
There's no tether at all. These robots could walk circles around a post forever and never get tangled up or run out of line. They could walk onto a grid-equipped train, ride to Cucamonga and continue their mission. If one of them fell off a cliff, you would have to climb down to retrieve it because there's NO TETHER.
"... therefore it is not "untethered"."
It *is* untethered. It lacks the single quality required for tetheredness, namely a tether.
"You say "Dodge pickup" like that was an American vehicle."
Well, despite Chrysler's German parent, the Dodge Ram is an American vehicle in design and manufacture. But my point was that the Camry is the fourth best-selling vehicle, not the first.
"The best selling car in the US is the Camry...again a Japanese brand.
But the best selling vehicle is the Ford pickup, followed by the Chevy pickup, followed by the Dodge pickup. The japanese pickups have yet to hit the top ten. Camry is the best selling "passenger car", at fourth.
"It [Camry] beats the next best selling American brand almost four to one!"
No, it's more like four to three over a Ford Taurus.
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"American based auto companies have been losing market share at the hands of the Japanese and especially Toyota for some time now. In fact decades."
But they still outsell Japanese brands 3 units to 1.
"the best selling and known hybrid is (you guessed it), - Japanese and that is the Prius."
Hybrids are less than 1% of the market, so who cares? Prius is too expensive, too small and too slow. The battery replacement costs are still unknown. Collision repair on them is becoming a major headache for garages and insurance companies. The jury is still out on those cars.
"Do you drive a BUICK?"
I have two, an '87 and a '97. They're both fantastic cars.
On our keyboards we admins did pound.
It was quite a thunderous sound.
Some bastard named Hans
taught his trees how to dance.
Now our files are in lost+found
"Well, it seems that those are taken care of. I think the engineers have somewhat of a brain."
Riiiiight, Russians never fuck up with nukes. Are you daft?
Steve: There is a pestilence upon this land. Nothing is sacred. Even those who carry balls are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
Bill: Did you say 'balls'?
Steve: Yes. Balls are my trade. I am a Ballmer. My name is 'Steven the Ballmer'. I arrange, support, and transport balls.
"US pornographers' decision to adopt the cheap convenient VHS - rather than rival Betamax - when the two systems were introduced in the 1970s killed off Betamax while sales of pornographic films drove take-up of video recorders."
Before video rental stores started popping up, porn was at least as common on Beta as it was on VHS. The victory went to VHS machines because the machines were cheaper and had a longer recording time. Once the public had decided on which machines to buy, the content sellers followed suit, further and further entrenching VHS.
The availability of porn had nothing to do with it.
We shall see.
According to what I heard from experts on NPR about one year ago, the feasability was marginal. Petrol has nearly doubled in price since then. Wikipedia confirms what I said, but feel free to show me evidence to the contrary.
The U.S. has more oil (in shale) than we could use in our lifetimes (about a trillion barrels). At current OPEC prices, it's worth extracting it.
"you would be anti-Bush no matter what the Bush administration does. It doesn't matter what evidence is presented, you know your position beforehand."
You know almost nothing about my ideology. Just to give you a hint, I voted for Reagan and Bush Senior. If Bush did something good, I'd credit him for it, though it's hard to imagine anything good enough to make up for the damage he has already done. I still think Nixon was a good president despite his fatal flaws.
It's you who has the strong bias. You seem to think that anyone who disagrees with Bush must have ulterior motives.
"there is 'evidence' that Vince Foster was murdered by the Clintons."
But that evidence was very weak and circumstantial, not that I support the Clintons either. The evidence I referred to regarding the present Bush administration is all part of the public record and there's nothing circumstantial about it.
"You knew it all long before anything that could have been presented to you as evidence."
Now your just trolling. You don't think there was evidence about these people before they took office? You must not be very well informed.
"You 'anti-Bush all the time, anytime' nutcases do a good job of discrediting yourselves."
We are right about him. We knew that they weren't telling the truth about weapons evidence and we knew that the Iraq war was a mistake. We knew what a clown Rumsfeld is. We knew the agenda of Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz. We knew that America would be heading downhill when Bush "won" the election.
Just as support for the war in Iraq is plummeting, so is support for the man who started it.
"TO PROTECT NATIONAL INTERESTS"
That's what they are telling us, but they are lying. GW Bush is a liar. Let me say it so you can hear me, BUSH IS A LIAR.
The entire administration is based on lies. They stole two elections. They ignored intelligence which would/could/should have prevented 9/11. They started wars where there were none and where the US had no business starting them. They made rogues of us.
This is not about protecting national interests; it's about building power for a federal government controlled by a greedy, self-righteous, anti-American scumbag named GW Bush.
Do you thing it's just a coincidence that every catastrophe conveniently creates huge profit opportunities for Bush's and Cheney's corrupt business partners. The economy is in the toilet, yet Halliburton and the oil companies are making record profits. Are you so naive or so brainwashed that you can't see what's going on right under your nose?
Sure, it may be sensitive information to reveal the exact flaw in body armor, but don't you think the enemy already knows that the armor is fallible? Don't you know that the military is always lying about the bad stuff they expose GI's to? Do you remember Agent Orange? Why, for the first time in our history, have they censored pictures of GIs coming home in coffins?
If you want to talk about national interests, let's talk about thousands of dead people on the gulf coast who should have been protected by Bush's old roommate, incompetent equestrian judge, and even less capable FEMA director, Mike Brown. Bush said "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." Give me a break. Did he really say that? Yes, he did. They knew for sure that they would find WMD in Iraq, but they had no idea about the structural limits of a key naval port? I say he's an evil SOB, but even if I give him the benefit of the doubt, the only other conclusion I can reach is that he's as dumb as a bag of rocks.
Bush is destroying this country. The best way to protect national interests would be to remove him from office.
That makes me wonder...
Where do they get them fancy pants anyway?
"examining the source code"
Hell, they could modify it and add a special forensics mode, --flatfoot