Concentration, logic, coordination, spatial relations, memory and fast reaction times are some of things I would classify as basic game-playing skills.
Learning control maps and countless details about which weapon/scroll does what don't qualify as amusement for me. Games like that have always left me cold.
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Flaming Cellphones
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· Score: 5, Funny
A guy goes to the doctor with both sides of his face badly burned. The doc asked him what happened. He says he was ironing his clothes when the phone rang and he picked up the hot iron and held it to his head.
So the doc asks what happened to the other side of his face.
"dot matrix printers were considered an overall noise improvement over teletypes."
Yeah, and those first Centronics DMPs really screamed. I walked into a busy shopping mall with my dad in the early 70's and from 100 feet away he picked out the sound of one of those suckers cranking away. There was a guy with a minicomputer (a PDP-8 I think), a video camera and the printer making ASCII portraits of people.
#### Teletype (tty) # # These are the hardcopy Teletypes from before AT&T bought the company, # clattering electromechanical dinosaurs in Bakelite cases that printed on # pulpy yellow roll paper. If you remember these you go back a ways. # Teletype-branded VDTs are listed in the AT&T section. # # The earliest UNIXes were designed to use these clunkers; nroff and a few # other programs still default to emitting codes for the Model 37. #
"Where's the audio of the teletype humming away? "
They hummed when they weren't doing anything. When they started working they went ding ding and kachunk kachunk. The tape reader and punch had their own noises.
"I hear the bell on one of those is an actual BELL!"
The first time I used a teletype machine it was set up as a TWX terminal. You would turn on the paper tape punch and draft a text message using the keyboard and/or input from the tape reader. There was a "Here is" button which would automatically generate the id string of the terminal.
Once your tape was ready to go, you would dial (really dial) a phone number on the built in telephone and when you got the carrier you would start the tape reader and the message would print out on the remote side. As I recall, there was a control code that would enable the remote tape punch. And yeah, it was a real bell. There was another control code to ring it and it was customary to ring it a few times at the end of the message so the remote operator would know to pick it up.
It wasn't unusual for the person on the remote end to type in a quick "thanks" before the call ended.
>define "break the os" ? Render it substantially unusable. "Is it an issue of just deleting an icon and iexplore.exe in your mind ? " That was a big part of it. MS was also forbidding vendors from changing any of the "Getting started" icons.
"What things are indisputably a part of the OS ?" Not the windowing system and not stuff that depends on the windowing system. The Windows product was originally a GUI that ran on the OS called DOS. Another aspect of the case was how MS used undocumented system calls to put competitive GUIs and apps at a disadvantage.
"Is it possible yet to compile linux without IPv4 ?" Yes.
" Would it be reasonable to require MS to not have an IP stack in their operating systems ?
Once upon a time they didn't, and i beleive trumpet considered a lawsuit when one was finally included in win95.."
That would be unreasonable in my view, but Trumpet may have had good reason for considering a suit. At the time, Gates was stating publicly that the Internet was not a part of MS's strategy. Trumpet made investments based on those statements.
"It is Microsoft's position that providing a high quality programmable HTML renderer is now a function of a modern operating system." I guess it's good to be the king and make up the rules as you go along.
An expert for the prosecution proved that taking IE out of Win95 did not break the OS. The problem isn't that MS decided to include an HTML rendering component; it's that by including a browser (with MS's choice of default portals) they were using their monopoly position in the OS market to unfairly leverage their position in the emerging Net market.
"is it possible to remove IE" is roughly analgous to "is it possible to remove ld.so from linux ?"
It's not even close. Loading executables is an indisputable responsibility of the OS. And ld.so isn't even part of Linux; it's part of glibc. It's possible to statically link an entire distribution.
"who's corrupted ? " You are. You're just spewing the company line.
"did you not see any merit to the point i made ? " None at all. Go back and look at the details of the case and you'll see why your point is completely irrelevant.
"Are you so irate that you're not willing to discuss anything ? " I'm not irate, but I'm not interested in listening to tired old rationalizations about why MS is good.
"What about this is so frustrating for you that you're telling me to shove things (that don't exist, i'd argue) up my own ass ?" The fact that MS has illegally ruined competition in this industry is frustrating.
"Is that your typical method of discourse ?" Just on special occasions.
"but honestly, the speculation, questions, etc people have about MS could be answered truthfully and honestly if some of you would bother to ask,"
Is it possible to unbundle the browser from Win95? MS: No you honor. It is impossible.
Microsoft will tell whatever lies are necessary to continue their unfair trade practices. Stop trying to justify their behavior and just admit that you have in fact sold out.
I've kept an open mind about MS's products for the nearly 20 years I've been exposed to them. My opinions are not predetermined, but if it quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
That's neat, but with the amount of fabrication the guy did, I was disappointed that he didn't put a miniature old style car grill in front of it, complete with the thermometer in the hood ornament.
"Consider something simple like Tic-Tac-Toe. Because it is such a simple game we can easily calculate how much of an advantage X has over O."
Right, it comes out to exactly zero advantage. With the game of Nim the first player can always win.
Assuming that we had the monster computer that could brute force its way through a chess game, then I think it's correct to say that it would be able to solve the halting problem for chess. If the game doesn't halt, it would mean that the game always ends in a draw. But if it does halt, then for a given initial state (opening move) the algorithm would be deterministic.
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Hmm...
/bin/chess /bin/chess symbolic link to global_thermonuclear_war
$ file
Joshua?
Imagine a beowulf cluster of subpoenas from Some Cokamamey Outfit.
"We are on the brink of World War 3"
Is that a new game? Does it run on Linux?
Apollo 1 didn't stop NASA.
"basic game-playing skills"
Concentration, logic, coordination, spatial relations, memory and fast reaction times are some of things I would classify as basic game-playing skills.
Learning control maps and countless details about which weapon/scroll does what don't qualify as amusement for me. Games like that have always left me cold.
A guy goes to the doctor with both sides of his face badly burned. The doc asked him what happened. He says he was ironing his clothes when the phone rang and he picked up the hot iron and held it to his head.
So the doc asks what happened to the other side of his face.
"I had to call an ambulance."
"but the weight given to a real paper letter is hugely more than an email"
They just chuckle at the thousands of emails, but a single handwritten letter probably gives them a good bellylaugh.
I wonder how they'd react to a cruder method of communication such as a LART (legislator attitude readjustment tool).
Als, please pay special attention to those "server" apps that were covered in the review, KDE, GNOME, Evolution, Eclipse, OpenOffice.
They *are* server apps if the environment is full of thin clients.
check this
You made me go look. SCO appears in the termcap file quite a bit, including this gem:
# Some information has been merged in from terminfo files distributed by
# USL and SCO (see COPYRIGHTS AND OTHER DELUSIONS below).
They definitely made a racket. Flexowriters were much more civilized.
"dot matrix printers were considered an overall noise improvement over teletypes."
Yeah, and those first Centronics DMPs really screamed. I walked into a busy shopping mall with my dad in the early 70's and from 100 feet away he picked out the sound of one of those suckers cranking away. There was a guy with a minicomputer (a PDP-8 I think), a video camera and the printer making ASCII portraits of people.
#### Teletype (tty)
:hc:os:xo:\
:co#72:\
:bl=^G:cr=^M:do=^J:sf=^J:
:bs:hc:os:xo:\
:bl=^G:cr=^M:do=^J:hd=\E9:hu=\E8:le=^H:sf=^J:up=\E 7:
#
# These are the hardcopy Teletypes from before AT&T bought the company,
# clattering electromechanical dinosaurs in Bakelite cases that printed on
# pulpy yellow roll paper. If you remember these you go back a ways.
# Teletype-branded VDTs are listed in the AT&T section.
#
# The earliest UNIXes were designed to use these clunkers; nroff and a few
# other programs still default to emitting codes for the Model 37.
#
tty33|tty35|model 33 or 35 teletype:\
tty37|model 37 teletype:\
"Where's the audio of the teletype humming away? "
They hummed when they weren't doing anything. When they started working they went ding ding and kachunk kachunk. The tape reader and punch had their own noises.
"I hear the bell on one of those is an actual BELL!"
The first time I used a teletype machine it was set up as a TWX terminal. You would turn on the paper tape punch and draft a text message using the keyboard and/or input from the tape reader. There was a "Here is" button which would automatically generate the id string of the terminal.
Once your tape was ready to go, you would dial (really dial) a phone number on the built in telephone and when you got the carrier you would start the tape reader and the message would print out on the remote side. As I recall, there was a control code that would enable the remote tape punch. And yeah, it was a real bell. There was another control code to ring it and it was customary to ring it a few times at the end of the message so the remote operator would know to pick it up.
It wasn't unusual for the person on the remote end to type in a quick "thanks" before the call ended.
>define "break the os" ?
Render it substantially unusable.
"Is it an issue of just deleting an icon and iexplore.exe in your mind ? "
That was a big part of it. MS was also forbidding vendors from changing any of the "Getting started" icons.
"What things are indisputably a part of the OS ?"
Not the windowing system and not stuff that depends on the windowing system. The Windows product was originally a GUI that ran on the OS called DOS. Another aspect of the case was how MS used undocumented system calls to put competitive GUIs and apps at a disadvantage.
"Is it possible yet to compile linux without IPv4 ?"
Yes.
" Would it be reasonable to require MS to not have an IP stack in their operating systems ?
Once upon a time they didn't, and i beleive trumpet considered a lawsuit when one was finally included in win95.."
That would be unreasonable in my view, but Trumpet may have had good reason for considering a suit. At the time, Gates was stating publicly that the Internet was not a part of MS's strategy. Trumpet made investments based on those statements.
"It is Microsoft's position that providing a high quality programmable HTML renderer is now a function of a modern operating system."
I guess it's good to be the king and make up the rules as you go along.
"what am i missing ?"
An expert for the prosecution proved that taking IE out of Win95 did not break the OS. The problem isn't that MS decided to include an HTML rendering component; it's that by including a browser (with MS's choice of default portals) they were using their monopoly position in the OS market to unfairly leverage their position in the emerging Net market.
"is it possible to remove IE" is roughly analgous to "is it possible to remove ld.so from linux ?"
It's not even close. Loading executables is an indisputable responsibility of the OS. And ld.so isn't even part of Linux; it's part of glibc. It's possible to statically link an entire distribution.
"who's corrupted ? "
You are. You're just spewing the company line.
"did you not see any merit to the point i made ? "
None at all. Go back and look at the details of the case and you'll see why your point is completely irrelevant.
"Are you so irate that you're not willing to discuss anything ? "
I'm not irate, but I'm not interested in listening to tired old rationalizations about why MS is good.
"What about this is so frustrating for you that you're telling me to shove things (that don't exist, i'd argue) up my own ass ?"
The fact that MS has illegally ruined competition in this industry is frustrating.
"Is that your typical method of discourse ?"
Just on special occasions.
They fucking lied. They doctored the videotape of the software demonstration. Take your corrupted pro MS attitude and shove it up your ass.
"but honestly, the speculation, questions, etc people have about MS could be answered truthfully and honestly if some of you would bother to ask,"
Is it possible to unbundle the browser from Win95?
MS: No you honor. It is impossible.
Microsoft will tell whatever lies are necessary to continue their unfair trade practices. Stop trying to justify their behavior and just admit that you have in fact sold out.
I've kept an open mind about MS's products for the nearly 20 years I've been exposed to them. My opinions are not predetermined, but if it quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
"I bet they'd make another billion."
I bet someone would h4x0r it. IBM had Deep Blue. M$ would have Deep Shit.
"Cant block port 135 at routers 'cause we have apps at that port."
You could probably set up a filter like:
src-or-dst-port==135 and "doesn't look like one of ours"
That's neat, but with the amount of fabrication the guy did, I was disappointed that he didn't put a miniature old style car grill in front of it, complete with the thermometer in the hood ornament.
"Consider something simple like Tic-Tac-Toe. Because it is such a simple game we can easily calculate how much of an advantage X has over O."
Right, it comes out to exactly zero advantage. With the game of Nim the first player can always win.
Assuming that we had the monster computer that could brute force its way through a chess game, then I think it's correct to say that it would be able to solve the halting problem for chess. If the game doesn't halt, it would mean that the game always ends in a draw. But if it does halt, then for a given initial state (opening move) the algorithm would be deterministic.
Does that make any sense?
...or "always draws"