rule based scripting languages such as Lisp, and scheme.
Lisp and Scheme have a very important place in development, but most people tend to agree that its for configuration and similar issues. NOT system development, NOT application development.
Well, it was a good troll up until now. Now I can't take you seriously at all. I actually thought you were a serious C++ user. You certainly sound like one.
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Yes, and your Borland compilers are out of date (3.0? That was in 1992!). I don't know what gcc version DJGPP uses, but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't have all the latest C++ features just yet.
And you might want to get Borland 5.5 sometime. Why not? It's free, as in Surge (Surge being preferable to beer)
How about dynamically creating code, compiling it to native code on the fly, then calling it as a function? How about rewriting a running program from within itself? How 'bout doing all this portably? With just the standard language, no shell calls? How about an interactive C++ system? Show me a new class system for C++ which you wrote with no compiler modifications. How about macros? And no, I don't mean that lame text-replacement nonsense that passes for macros in C. I mean truly integreatied hygenic (sp) macros such as those in Lisp.
Or even simple things. In Lisp, things like 'if' return a value. So things like (defun max (num1 num2) (if (> num1 num2) num1 num2))
Why can't I do this in C++? That's something I consider expressiveness. None of this unmodifiable 'statement' crap. If I want to rewrite the if macro, then by John McCarthy, I'll do just that.
Do *that* in C++, and I might think about switching from Common Lisp. It's this sort of thing that makes me wonder if C++ programmers ever come out from their caves and wonder if there is a better way of programming than what they're doing now.
I think he meant that you're blaming everything on the programmer, while ignoring potential problems with the tool (in this case, the C++ language).
C++ is complex and cumbersome, and yes, a great deal of time must be invested in order to learn it. I can't help but wonder if that time would be better spent in more productive languages (Lisp, Dylan, Smalltalk, etc).
Sigh...if only Gwydion Dylan were more advanced, we'd have all the benefits of C++ (OO, speed, small executable size), without all the problems (the language itself) on Unix.
This spamming tool, incidentally, was made open source by it's author, who posted the source code (it's a bash script) in a few comments to the thread.
31,000 hot grits pouring 22,000 Natalie Portman references (slowing down, guys) 33,000 Jon Katz flames 5,000 references to the supposed sexual preferences of Slashdot staff 10,000 "is this really news posts?" 10,000 First Posts 100,000 First Post wannabes 5,000 "I submitted this months ago" posts and maybe 300 good trolls.
[Note that these numbers are based on recent averages]
Having a real domain name is much cooler than any of that free nonsense. Not only is it easier to remember, but it shows that you are at least willing to shell out some bucks for your site.
.cx is cool, in line with.cc and.nu, but none of them compare to.com
I wonder what made them switch? Certainly not all the money to be made in Linux these days, huh? I may well be wrong, but it goes to show what can happen to dedication to a cause when money becomes a factor.
After all, we don't hear about multi-million dollar FreeBSD company IPOs, do we? Have there been any, anyway? I don't really follow the BSD world (but maybe I should given that I use OpenBSD!)
Exactly. MP3.com *only* distributes legal mp3s. That's why they are suing for libel (among other things) against the RIAA which makes out *all* mp3 users as 'music pirates'. IANAL, but the RIAA lawsuit seems completely groundless, but is completely typical of large coporations.
What do you do when you can no longer compete? In the old days, your company might go bankrupt. Now, you can just file frivolous lawsuits against the competition.
Maybe Microsoft is worried that someone will reverse-engineer their streaming media format trying to make a Linux WM player and then publish their DeWM under the GPL.
Why would they be worried? They could just sue the author and them arrested. This is the New World Order, you know!
Seriously, though, you're probably right. If they are going to be the dominant force in streaming media, they need to support all platforms. And I suppose that they figure it would be better to have an official release, rather than have the Linux users use some hacked client (no offense to people who do hack these sorts of things)
Geez this is the kind of stuff you should EXPECT on slashdot
Sadly, you're right. This is what I've come expect on Slashdot. Not that I have anything against Mr. Torvalds or the company that he works for, but over-exposure tends to make people sick.
As it is, I really read Slashdot for the comments (and browse at -1, the sensible way), and the articles themselves are secondary (and yes, I actually *do* following the links and read the articles on stories that I post to). I really think that is the comments that make Slashdot worthwhile.
From the web page: PCs have had BIOSes since the dawn of time. And since the beginning, they have been DOS-specific, 16-bit, real-mode, etc. -- not something that a modern OS such as Linux, Hurd, or BSD can use. The OpenBIOS group intends to create a free BIOS for PCs. So far we have little code, but we are working on it
It's been said a million times: ENOUGH WITH TRANSMETA! Their product is not the super meta-CPU we thought it would be. In fact, it's pretty boring.
BUT, because Linus is in the company, we hear everything about it. The CEO had a flat tire? Good enough! Linus spills his coffee? RobLimo, get right on it!
If Torvalds wasn't working there, would this be news? No, because no one would care. But the Church of Linus keeps everyone interested.
Why don't we just stick a live webcam on his head, so we can track his every move? Make 'LinusCam' a Slashbox, and get it over with.
You, my good sir, are posting what appears to be Left Wing Views. Such things are not to be tolerated on Slashdot, where we open our source but not our minds.
(The question I should have asked in the beginning: Which is more important. Survival as a species, or survival as a species of individuals, assuming they are mutually exclusive)
While I'm no psychologist, I think that on an 'instinctive' level it's the species that counts. Humans truly are social animals, and often enough the herd mentality shows through. Even in simple ways, such as procreation. Why are people so obsessed with sex? Preserves the species. This might also be the origin of our notions of courage and honor: putting your people above yourself.
But on an intellectual level, people seem more concerned with themselves. Would you be willing to die to save people you've never met before? And certainly the drive of possesiveness seems to stem form self-preservation.
Perhaps it is this mixture of species- and self-preservation that explains why humans as a group are so fscked up.
The article states that they "had to reconstruct the entire system" after the crash. That means it probably was a hardware problem rather than a software problem.
The truth is is that there is no harware. There is no software. This whole computer crash thing is just to distract us from the real problem: YETIS IN AMERICA!
Just why do you think this story came out when it did? Because the NSA bribed emmett in a timely fashion. After all, they don't want YETI@Home to develop a follwing, or the truth about Sasquatch (who was the result of failed government testing to develop a 'Super Soldier' during WWII) to be known. So how do they manage this? Simple: Distract people from the true crisises.
So what should we do, fair/. readers? It's simple: boycott the NSA, install YETI@Home on your difference engine, and FIND THOSE YETIS!
In 1997, Caldera argued Microsoft was abusing its ability to designate documents, noting blank pages, magazine articles, and photos of a woman and an insect had been stamped "confidential," as well as routine, outdated e-mail and a list of the yardage of golf courses in China.
That's sthe secret: women, insects, and Chinese golf courses. I think you can all draw your own conclusions.
No, it's bad enough as it is. What if the site has information about a variety of subjects? Where should it go? Should you have to pay for more than one domain name?
When I went to buy mine, I went with a.com over anything else because none of them fit (I am not commercial, not an organization, nor a networking co.) and.com is the 'standard'. Further, realize that the original purpose of the TLDs are routinely ignored (Slashdot.ORG, CmdrTaco.NET, etc), so why would anyone stay in line with the new guidelines?
And if there were more domain names, existing owners would simply buy them up, much as NSI encourages you to buy the.net and.org domains when you buy a.com
I think that it would be beneficial to have more TLDs, but not as much as everyone might think.
The difference is that this sale has been approved by Andover.net staff, so feel free to cheer for all the money Mr. Van Kampen will make from it.
No those SeriousDomains.com guys, boy, they're just evil, see, because Linus doesn't approve. And if Linus doesn't like it, then his disciples, the Slashdot crowd, won't either. Simple, eh?
Slashdot Mirror
rule based scripting languages such as Lisp, and scheme.
Lisp and Scheme have a very important place in development, but most people tend to agree that its for configuration and similar issues. NOT system development, NOT application development.
Well, it was a good troll up until now. Now I can't take you seriously at all. I actually thought you were a serious C++ user. You certainly sound like one.
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auntfloyd
bringing down the entire global internet economy through frivolous patents and lawsuits.
:)
No, I think Apple has a patent on that
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auntfloyd
So yes, they do say that they don't make money.
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auntfloyd
Yes, and your Borland compilers are out of date (3.0? That was in 1992!). I don't know what gcc version DJGPP uses, but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't have all the latest C++ features just yet.
And you might want to get Borland 5.5 sometime. Why not? It's free, as in Surge (Surge being preferable to beer)
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auntfloyd
How about dynamically creating code, compiling it to native code on the fly, then calling it as a function? How about rewriting a running program from within itself? How 'bout doing all this portably? With just the standard language, no shell calls? How about an interactive C++ system? Show me a new class system for C++ which you wrote with no compiler modifications. How about macros? And no, I don't mean that lame text-replacement nonsense that passes for macros in C. I mean truly integreatied hygenic (sp) macros such as those in Lisp.
Or even simple things. In Lisp, things like 'if' return a value. So things like
(defun max (num1 num2)
(if (> num1 num2)
num1
num2))
Why can't I do this in C++? That's something I consider expressiveness. None of this unmodifiable 'statement' crap. If I want to rewrite the if macro, then by John McCarthy, I'll do just that.
Do *that* in C++, and I might think about switching from Common Lisp. It's this sort of thing that makes me wonder if C++ programmers ever come out from their caves and wonder if there is a better way of programming than what they're doing now.
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auntfloyd
I think he meant that you're blaming everything on the programmer, while ignoring potential problems with the tool (in this case, the C++ language).
C++ is complex and cumbersome, and yes, a great deal of time must be invested in order to learn it. I can't help but wonder if that time would be better spent in more productive languages (Lisp, Dylan, Smalltalk, etc).
Sigh...if only Gwydion Dylan were more advanced, we'd have all the benefits of C++ (OO, speed, small executable size), without all the problems (the language itself) on Unix.
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auntfloyd
Yes, there were 186's. But they were soon superceded by the blazing might of the 286 a few months later, so no one used them.
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auntfloyd
No, it was spammed with the same tools as used in the Borland/Interprise Developer Survey article (which is number 2 on the HOF).
This spamming tool, incidentally, was made open source by it's author, who posted the source code (it's a bash script) in a few comments to the thread.
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auntfloyd
31,000 hot grits pouring
22,000 Natalie Portman references (slowing down, guys)
33,000 Jon Katz flames
5,000 references to the supposed sexual preferences of Slashdot staff
10,000 "is this really news posts?"
10,000 First Posts
100,000 First Post wannabes
5,000 "I submitted this months ago" posts
and maybe
300 good trolls.
[Note that these numbers are based on recent averages]
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auntfloyd
Having a real domain name is much cooler than any of that free nonsense. Not only is it easier to remember, but it shows that you are at least willing to shell out some bucks for your site.
.cx is cool, in line with
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auntfloyd
I wonder what made them switch? Certainly not all the money to be made in Linux these days, huh? I may well be wrong, but it goes to show what can happen to dedication to a cause when money becomes a factor.
After all, we don't hear about multi-million dollar FreeBSD company IPOs, do we? Have there been any, anyway? I don't really follow the BSD world (but maybe I should given that I use OpenBSD!)
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auntfloyd
Exactly. MP3.com *only* distributes legal mp3s. That's why they are suing for libel (among other things) against the RIAA which makes out *all* mp3 users as 'music pirates'. IANAL, but the RIAA lawsuit seems completely groundless, but is completely typical of large coporations.
What do you do when you can no longer compete? In the old days, your company might go bankrupt. Now, you can just file frivolous lawsuits against the competition.
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auntfloyd
Maybe Microsoft is worried that someone will reverse-engineer their streaming media format trying to make a Linux WM player and then publish their DeWM under the GPL.
Why would they be worried? They could just sue the author and them arrested. This is the New World Order, you know!
Seriously, though, you're probably right. If they are going to be the dominant force in streaming media, they need to support all platforms. And I suppose that they figure it would be better to have an official release, rather than have the Linux users use some hacked client (no offense to people who do hack these sorts of things)
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auntfloyd
Geez this is the kind of stuff you should EXPECT on slashdot
Sadly, you're right. This is what I've come expect on Slashdot. Not that I have anything against Mr. Torvalds or the company that he works for, but over-exposure tends to make people sick.
As it is, I really read Slashdot for the comments (and browse at -1, the sensible way), and the articles themselves are secondary (and yes, I actually *do* following the links and read the articles on stories that I post to). I really think that is the comments that make Slashdot worthwhile.
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auntfloyd
I guess you'd mean something like OpenBIOS, eh?
From the web page:
PCs have had BIOSes since the dawn of time. And since the beginning, they have been DOS-specific, 16-bit, real-mode, etc. -- not something that a modern OS such as Linux, Hurd, or BSD can use. The OpenBIOS group intends to create a free BIOS for PCs. So far we have little code, but we are working on it
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auntfloyd
It's been said a million times: ENOUGH WITH TRANSMETA! Their product is not the super meta-CPU we thought it would be. In fact, it's pretty boring.
BUT, because Linus is in the company, we hear everything about it. The CEO had a flat tire? Good enough! Linus spills his coffee? RobLimo, get right on it!
If Torvalds wasn't working there, would this be news? No, because no one would care. But the Church of Linus keeps everyone interested.
Why don't we just stick a live webcam on his head, so we can track his every move? Make 'LinusCam' a Slashbox, and get it over with.
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auntfloyd
You, my good sir, are posting what appears to be Left Wing Views. Such things are not to be tolerated on Slashdot, where we open our source but not our minds.
Have a nice day.
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auntfloyd
(The question I should have asked in the beginning: Which is more important. Survival as a species, or survival as a species of individuals, assuming they are mutually exclusive)
.02c
While I'm no psychologist, I think that on an 'instinctive' level it's the species that counts. Humans truly are social animals, and often enough the herd mentality shows through. Even in simple ways, such as procreation. Why are people so obsessed with sex? Preserves the species. This might also be the origin of our notions of courage and honor: putting your people above yourself.
But on an intellectual level, people seem more concerned with themselves. Would you be willing to die to save people you've never met before? And certainly the drive of possesiveness seems to stem form self-preservation.
Perhaps it is this mixture of species- and self-preservation that explains why humans as a group are so fscked up.
Just my
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auntfloyd
No, but single people can certainly incite others to commit horrific deeds which they might not otherwise do, such as Hitler.
Don't underestimate the individual: it's all you are.
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auntfloyd
The article states that they "had to reconstruct the entire system" after the crash. That means it probably was a hardware problem rather than a software problem.
/. readers? It's simple: boycott the NSA, install YETI@Home on your difference engine, and FIND THOSE YETIS!
The truth is is that there is no harware. There is no software. This whole computer crash thing is just to distract us from the real problem: YETIS IN AMERICA!
Just why do you think this story came out when it did? Because the NSA bribed emmett in a timely fashion. After all, they don't want YETI@Home to develop a follwing, or the truth about Sasquatch (who was the result of failed government testing to develop a 'Super Soldier' during WWII) to be known. So how do they manage this? Simple: Distract people from the true crisises.
So what should we do, fair
Remember: The truth is out there(tm)
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auntfloyd
In 1997, Caldera argued Microsoft was abusing its ability to designate documents, noting blank pages, magazine articles, and photos of a woman and an insect had been stamped "confidential," as well as routine, outdated e-mail and a list of the yardage of golf courses in China.
That's sthe secret: women, insects, and Chinese golf courses. I think you can all draw your own conclusions.
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auntfloyd
Reichel had a personal relationship with Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates
If that's not disturbing, I don't know what is.
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auntfloyd
No, it's bad enough as it is. What if the site has information about a variety of subjects? Where should it go? Should you have to pay for more than one domain name?
When I went to buy mine, I went with a
And if there were more domain names, existing owners would simply buy them up, much as NSI encourages you to buy the
I think that it would be beneficial to have more TLDs, but not as much as everyone might think.
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auntfloyd
The difference is that this sale has been approved by Andover.net staff, so feel free to cheer for all the money Mr. Van Kampen will make from it.
No those SeriousDomains.com guys, boy, they're just evil, see, because Linus doesn't approve. And if Linus doesn't like it, then his disciples, the Slashdot crowd, won't either. Simple, eh?
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auntfloyd
Maybe you should have waited to post this after we find out who bought it.
Hey, didn't MS place a bid on linux.com? Maybe it's them
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auntfloyd