X11, yes, and possibly Apache (which is usually preconfigured for whatever distro you get). The fact is newbies, won't be using TeX or bind, setting up sendmail, and will probably will use joe or pico instead of Emacs or vi. So why dumb down the interfaces? A brain dead Emacs makes no sense, and vi without it's odd commands is not a vi. Newbies won't be running bind or sendmail, not because they are hard to configure, but because they have no need to reconfigure them. And TeX? Why would any newbie give up on WordPerfect or Maxwell or whatever and use raw TeX?
Maybe we need to educate everyone else. then the racists will be talking to thin air.
Good luck. There will always be people who are either insecure, mentally feeble, easily succeptible to the feeling of superiority/power/etc. who will be attracted to hate groups, much as the same sort of people are attracted to them today.
Given that the fear of every U.S. militia group seems to be that the U.N. will invade us and declare martial law, I'm not sure how well this will go over here. It seems to me that countries like Germany (where neo-nazi and other hate speech is against the law, IIRC) are trying to impose their laws on other countries, via super-governmental organizations such as the U.N.
While I cannot say that the U.S. has never tried to do the same (re: DVD case), or that I condone hatred of any kind, it is my opinion that this flies in the face of the first amendment, but IANAL.
This is especially interesting, since the whole "Islamic Terrorist" image
Heh. Watch any recent action flick involving terrorists and the mad bombers will be Arab. Which is ironic considering the small number of domestic terrorism committed by Arabs in the U.S. And even more so that the worst terrorist attack in the States (Oklahoma City) was committed by citizens.
But censoring the Internet would prevent such things in the future, right? Wrong.
Maybe Slashdot isn't run by a group of hypocrites like I have said in the past. It's good to see them cacthing up with reality. The CVS server is also an extra bonus. Hopefully, we won't have to have "Free the Slash Source" campaigns anymore.
Well, Poplog includes tools for Common Lisp, SML, Prolog, and POP-11, all of which can be combined and work together. It's available for both Unix (including Unix) and Windows, although the Windows version is not as good.
This probably isn't what you're looking for, but it allows you to combine Lisp and ML.
So? There's nothing preventing Windows users from downloading another JVM from Sun or IBM, or wherever else. And there is nothing stopping them from using Netscape or Opera (with the Java plugin) to get a good browser JVM.
I still don't understand how Microsoft's additions constitute 'pollution' of Java. Didn't they stop calling it Java in favor of J++ anyway?
And ignoring MSFT's lip service about 'innovation', don't they have a right to improve their product in any manner in which they see fit?
Sun refused to take Java down the standards route, and this is what they get. They brought it on themselves. This court case is a waste of everyone's time. Maybe Bjarne Stroustrup (sp) should sue them for 'polluting' C++ with Visual C++.
[I'm not pro-Microsoft, I'm pro-rationality] ~~~~~~~~~ auntfloyd
Minix isn't all that horrible for what it is (a puny Unix that runs on small machines). I had it running on a PS/2 50Z with a 12Mhz 286 and was fully able to compile on of my pet projects on it. I was surprised that people still use it regularly, and that active development still occured (ie, a recent version can run off of a DOS partition). IIRC, it also comes with an Emacs wannabe, as well as C, Pascal, and Modula-2 compilers, so you can start hacking away!
386 users, though, might find VsTA more powerful and useful.
Please, Java is the washed-up, has-been, never-will-be-again, even-if-it-tries-really-really-hard of programming languages.
You want performance? Enterprise support? Proven track record? I dare all the Slashdotters to point me to a better choice than COBOL, which I am currently using to develop an open source, business-to-business e-commerce framwork using advanced object-oriented methodogies and optimized for intranets running on the powerful Windows2000 platform. Huh? i thought so.
What I *really* want to know is which COBOL system Red Hat is going to support. GNU? maybe Tiny COBOL? I want answers. The choice operating systems is now down to CP/M 2.1 and Linux, and I'm going to go with the one with the best COBOL support.
C'mon Slashdot, address the real needs of real programmers, not these 'hackers' and 'd00ds'. So let's see more COBOL coverage in the future!
It seems like they based their choice of OS on the fact that one guy used it, and they had a free C++ compiler for it. So what? There are free C++ compilers for Windows, DOS, OS/2, pretty much anything, even if it is just a GCC port.
And what's the deal with the Amiga emulator? Why not learn how to use GTK? It's not that hard, and is much more impressive, not to mention easier, than hacking a bunch of Amiga and Linux programs together.
I really can't see how this was posted. Great for the kids and all, but really content-light.
(Sheesh. Somebody with the squishdot source want to open a new site?)
Why do you think they're not releasing the source? So you *can't* make a better site! That's the whole point. Don't have time? My ass. Malda and Hemos are millionaires, and Andover does all the hard work now, anyway. What the hell do they do? Read some stories and post the worst ones?
Haha! This Slashdot post is infected with an evil Linux virus! By reading it, you allowed it enter your system, from whence it will send itself all over the world!
CmdrTaco is the God of Slashdot! It is only through His Will that we may come and go, live and die!
PRAY, my child, to Tac and St. Hemos that this sin of transgression against the Church of Slashdot may be removed from your. Do not offend them again!
And speak also not any blasphemy of the Slash source, for it is only RIGHT and CORRECT that the number one site for Free Software keeps its own source code locked up, for this is what the Gods have given us, and we must accept what thaey tell us, without commiting the GREVIOUS SIN of thought.
I don't think you realize the Troll mentality. A lot of these people just like getting response out of people. So when you post serious answers to trolls, they all gather and laugh at you.
A lot of it is just trash or spam, plain and simple. But as someone who reads (and posts) at -1, there's almost always something that makes it worthwhile, although recently many of the more well-known trolls have gone into retirement and/or changed ther focus (eg, N+P guy, hot grits, MEEPT). Enjoy it while you can. Every day, there is more and more anti-troll agitation, so look forward to perhaps tighter regulation.
Using the drivers themselves is a lot cheaper: no helicopter maintence, pilots, insurance, etc. And it works well in bad weather (though if you're blabbering away on a cell phone during a snowstorm, maybe you shouldn't be driving). It is also more accurate: why not get traffic data from the people on the road? It makes sense.
Of course, it all depends on enough cell phone usage. If no one's talking, there won't be any info.
As far as yuppies are concerned, we could track them with radio collars to learn their ancient migration patterns to the local Starbucks.
I never said that you have no right to have an opinion. What I did say is that we don't have enough information to make a truly informed decision.
But what I will say is that your opinion has no effect on whether a patent will be granted or not. See any other patent reported on Slashdot (ie, one-click shopping) for proof.
I wasn't responding to you, but to the other guy, 'vectra'. My point was to restate what you had said.
Precisely what "sort of thing" would you have me be knowledgable about?
Whether this could be a valid patent legally. You can argue all day long whether it is right or wrong, but non of that matters legally. For reference, see any of the other patent articles.
How long have you studied patent law I haven't. Which is why I haven't made any claims as to it's leaglity.
And he is condemning us for being so critical of the patent without having any of the facts. The patent application was not available, so who are we to judge it?
I would be surprised if there were many patent lawyers on Slashdot who are actually knowledgable about this sort of thing, rather than simply jumping to conclusions.
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How many newbies are going to run the following:
vi
Emacs
Apache
sendmail
bind
TeX
X11
X11, yes, and possibly Apache (which is usually preconfigured for whatever distro you get). The fact is newbies, won't be using TeX or bind, setting up sendmail, and will probably will use joe or pico instead of Emacs or vi. So why dumb down the interfaces? A brain dead Emacs makes no sense, and vi without it's odd commands is not a vi. Newbies won't be running bind or sendmail, not because they are hard to configure, but because they have no need to reconfigure them. And TeX? Why would any newbie give up on WordPerfect or Maxwell or whatever and use raw TeX?
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auntfloyd
Yes, but most people would have waited for MS to fix it. Mr. Chaney went even further with the auction of the check, too.
I don't think that's silly.
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auntfloyd
Maybe we need to educate everyone else. then the racists will be talking to thin air.
Good luck. There will always be people who are either insecure, mentally feeble, easily succeptible to the feeling of superiority/power/etc. who will be attracted to hate groups, much as the same sort of people are attracted to them today.
That is something that education can't change.
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auntfloyd
Given that the fear of every U.S. militia group seems to be that the U.N. will invade us and declare martial law, I'm not sure how well this will go over here. It seems to me that countries like Germany (where neo-nazi and other hate speech is against the law, IIRC) are trying to impose their laws on other countries, via super-governmental organizations such as the U.N.
While I cannot say that the U.S. has never tried to do the same (re: DVD case), or that I condone hatred of any kind, it is my opinion that this flies in the face of the first amendment, but IANAL.
Any comments, etc?
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auntfloyd
This is especially interesting, since the whole "Islamic Terrorist" image
Heh. Watch any recent action flick involving terrorists and the mad bombers will be Arab. Which is ironic considering the small number of domestic terrorism committed by Arabs in the U.S. And even more so that the worst terrorist attack in the States (Oklahoma City) was committed by citizens.
But censoring the Internet would prevent such things in the future, right? Wrong.
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auntfloyd
Well, you read one, you've read them all. Let me summarize:
DVD CCA = Bad
Defendants = Good
There. Anytime the urge to post another DVD piece strikes, simply link to this post instead
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auntfloyd
Maybe Slashdot isn't run by a group of hypocrites like I have said in the past. It's good to see them cacthing up with reality. The CVS server is also an extra bonus. Hopefully, we won't have to have "Free the Slash Source" campaigns anymore.
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auntfloyd
Well, Poplog includes tools for Common Lisp, SML, Prolog, and POP-11, all of which can be combined and work together. It's available for both Unix (including Unix) and Windows, although the Windows version is not as good.
This probably isn't what you're looking for, but it allows you to combine Lisp and ML.
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auntfloyd
So? There's nothing preventing Windows users from downloading another JVM from Sun or IBM, or wherever else. And there is nothing stopping them from using Netscape or Opera (with the Java plugin) to get a good browser JVM.
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auntfloyd
No, Scheme is a member of the Lisp family, just like Common Lisp and GOOL (Game Object-oriented Lisp), which was used in Crash Bandicoot.
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auntfloyd
I still don't understand how Microsoft's additions constitute 'pollution' of Java. Didn't they stop calling it Java in favor of J++ anyway?
And ignoring MSFT's lip service about 'innovation', don't they have a right to improve their product in any manner in which they see fit?
Sun refused to take Java down the standards route, and this is what they get. They brought it on themselves. This court case is a waste of everyone's time. Maybe Bjarne Stroustrup (sp) should sue them for 'polluting' C++ with Visual C++.
[I'm not pro-Microsoft, I'm pro-rationality]
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auntfloyd
Minix isn't all that horrible for what it is (a puny Unix that runs on small machines). I had it running on a PS/2 50Z with a 12Mhz 286 and was fully able to compile on of my pet projects on it. I was surprised that people still use it regularly, and that active development still occured (ie, a recent version can run off of a DOS partition). IIRC, it also comes with an Emacs wannabe, as well as C, Pascal, and Modula-2 compilers, so you can start hacking away!
386 users, though, might find VsTA more powerful and useful.
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auntfloyd
Maybe he should look at http://www.franz.com/apps/gd.main.html for a sample of what's being done with this "research topic"
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auntfloyd
Please, Java is the washed-up, has-been, never-will-be-again, even-if-it-tries-really-really-hard of programming languages.
You want performance? Enterprise support? Proven track record? I dare all the Slashdotters to point me to a better choice than COBOL, which I am currently using to develop an open source, business-to-business e-commerce framwork using advanced object-oriented methodogies and optimized for intranets running on the powerful Windows2000 platform. Huh? i thought so.
What I *really* want to know is which COBOL system Red Hat is going to support. GNU? maybe Tiny COBOL? I want answers. The choice operating systems is now down to CP/M 2.1 and Linux, and I'm going to go with the one with the best COBOL support.
C'mon Slashdot, address the real needs of real programmers, not these 'hackers' and 'd00ds'. So let's see more COBOL coverage in the future!
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auntfloyd
Not all of us are astrogeeks here. When does an orbiting body become a moon rather than as asteroid?
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auntfloyd
It seems like they based their choice of OS on the fact that one guy used it, and they had a free C++ compiler for it. So what? There are free C++ compilers for Windows, DOS, OS/2, pretty much anything, even if it is just a GCC port.
And what's the deal with the Amiga emulator? Why not learn how to use GTK? It's not that hard, and is much more impressive, not to mention easier, than hacking a bunch of Amiga and Linux programs together.
I really can't see how this was posted. Great for the kids and all, but really content-light.
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auntfloyd
(Sheesh. Somebody with the squishdot source want to open a new site?)
Why do you think they're not releasing the source? So you *can't* make a better site! That's the whole point. Don't have time? My ass. Malda and Hemos are millionaires, and Andover does all the hard work now, anyway. What the hell do they do? Read some stories and post the worst ones?
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auntfloyd
Haha! This Slashdot post is infected with an evil Linux virus! By reading it, you allowed it enter your system, from whence it will send itself all over the world!
I 0wn j00 n0w!
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auntfloyd
CmdrTaco is the God of Slashdot! It is only through His Will that we may come and go, live and die!
PRAY, my child, to Tac and St. Hemos that this sin of transgression against the Church of Slashdot may be removed from your. Do not offend them again!
And speak also not any blasphemy of the Slash source, for it is only RIGHT and CORRECT that the number one site for Free Software keeps its own source code locked up, for this is what the Gods have given us, and we must accept what thaey tell us, without commiting the GREVIOUS SIN of thought.
In Rob Malda's name,
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auntfloyd
I don't think you realize the Troll mentality. A lot of these people just like getting response out of people. So when you post serious answers to trolls, they all gather and laugh at you.
A lot of it is just trash or spam, plain and simple. But as someone who reads (and posts) at -1, there's almost always something that makes it worthwhile, although recently many of the more well-known trolls have gone into retirement and/or changed ther focus (eg, N+P guy, hot grits, MEEPT). Enjoy it while you can. Every day, there is more and more anti-troll agitation, so look forward to perhaps tighter regulation.
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auntfloyd
Hey, that wasn't very nice
You're new to this whole 'flame war' thing, aren't you?
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auntfloyd
Using the drivers themselves is a lot cheaper: no helicopter maintence, pilots, insurance, etc. And it works well in bad weather (though if you're blabbering away on a cell phone during a snowstorm, maybe you shouldn't be driving). It is also more accurate: why not get traffic data from the people on the road? It makes sense.
Of course, it all depends on enough cell phone usage. If no one's talking, there won't be any info.
As far as yuppies are concerned, we could track them with radio collars to learn their ancient migration patterns to the local Starbucks.
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auntfloyd
I never said that you have no right to have an opinion. What I did say is that we don't have enough information to make a truly informed decision.
But what I will say is that your opinion has no effect on whether a patent will be granted or not. See any other patent reported on Slashdot (ie, one-click shopping) for proof.
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auntfloyd
Reread my posting. You raise precisely my point!
I wasn't responding to you, but to the other guy, 'vectra'. My point was to restate what you had said.
Precisely what "sort of thing" would you have me be knowledgable about?
Whether this could be a valid patent legally. You can argue all day long whether it is right or wrong, but non of that matters legally. For reference, see any of the other patent articles.
How long have you studied patent law
I haven't. Which is why I haven't made any claims as to it's leaglity.
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auntfloyd
And he is condemning us for being so critical of the patent without having any of the facts. The patent application was not available, so who are we to judge it?
I would be surprised if there were many patent lawyers on Slashdot who are actually knowledgable about this sort of thing, rather than simply jumping to conclusions.
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auntfloyd