Really? Are you mad? You're saying that the president should pass a bill such that our soldiers won't get paid? Their families depend on that money to make ends meet. The optics alone would screw Obama over much less hte real damage it would do to military famiiles.
Don't worry, what people don't understand is that by killing species, we will eventually kill the critical link of interdependence for our own survival (eg bees) and we will not be able to survive. Nature WILL find a way to achieve the balance. In a history than spans millions of years, we are nothing but a blip. Nature will endure. The only reason we are saving species and protecting is to keep our species viable. Otherwise, our flaws will create the right mix to destroy us.
To some extent, that was true about Unix for quite some time. I could argue that it's just a continuous of it. It's not completely believable of course because the desktop is geared for everyone. That said, the kind of things you get in extensions is radically different than trying to build all those into the core and then have preferences exposing them. Extensions can change behaviour completely and override those hated gui designers ideas and you can turn those on and off as you want them.
The problem with flexibility is that is that causes bloating and then you have people who just leave because it's just too heavy for them. There are always people who believe there is some magical place where you get all the options you want and your desktop will be light, efficient, and fluffy. It doesn't work that way. Every decision point is a lot more code to handle. More code, more change of human error etc etc. In the end, the same people who want the options will bitch on here about how bloated GNOME is and how it's taking 80Ms of precious memory out of the 6 gigs they have or it can't handle their 512M Pentium II computer.
Even better, they want to give a tax cut with no restrictions. So when corp A, takes the savings from the tax cuts, and opens a plant in India, China or Vietnam, the U.S. wins, right? Sacrifice, baby.
No Pakistan or North Korea? India's military hasn't been tested in awhile.. while the U.S. has been tested all the time.. like every 15 years or so. The U.S. will always be running around using their military.
The bottom 20% however do contribute to the economy. As long as they are contributing to economy my tax dollars are being used for a useful purpose. If some of those people turn around and manage to make more money and learn to save and what not then my tax dollars are again worth it. When I check out of this world, I hope that my donations to my country goes helps does in need.
Now, there are instances of course of abuse, and well guess what, everybody abuses the system. They'll pay one way or another.
The way to combat that is to make yourself look dirty. Color your hair, your kids hair, have tatoos (temporariliy) and basically look as 3rd class citizen as possible. It'll fuck those people up, because really an HOA cannot control what you wear.
Kind of shows how flexible GNOME 3 is, doesn't it? Using CSS for gui, and javascript for changing the behavior of GNOME 3 desktop, you're able to make all kind of interesting forks.
use tweak tool and you can change the large fonts. Also 3.2 fixes some of the complaints about that. Please try to use a more up to date GNOME 3 distro.
And then came extensions.gnome.org, and suddenly, you can get most of your functionality back thanks to various people out there wanting to put features they missed back into the desktop.
Dashboard (the spotlight equivalent) was announced before spotlight was. Indexing, started in GNOME first. In fact with Zeitgeist we are taking it to the next level. For instance, it's possible to click on a file and get all the git version logs on it. How many versions did it have etc. KDE is following suit as well. So, Linux desktops are innovating.
You're giving an opinion without trying anything recent. I suggest you try Fedora 16, or Ubuntu or whatever and try both KDE and GNOME and see how they fare. You might also consider that GNOME now has http://extensions.gnome.org/ which can now modify your desktop behavior. GNOME 3 will continue to evolve and because we now use web technologies to rapidly change behavior we'll be able to try out new UI faster than both Mac and PC.
I think you're just used to a panel and screen. Windows 8 is going to force you tochange one way to another. it's the same problem, if you tried to add all interface from the past, you're just going to get bloated software. That said, it's going to be fun watching corporate warriorrs try to learn windows 8 with office. It only makes learning windows 8 software.
Windows 95 was a change from DOS. I think most people were quite happy with that change to doing more GUI things. I think it is was a welcome change to not having to learn and understand DOS. But we can't stay with the same panel setup as we are used to.
I have used GNOME 3 for quite some time and I think it is a wonderful thing. It has some issues, but overall it's quite good and once you make the commitment to learn GNOME 3, you'll find it hard to go back to GNOME 2 or the old panel stye windows 95 GUI.
Pretty much. You need about a week or so and do it the "GNOME 3 way" so to speak. It's a decent design it has some flaws but extensions can override most of the behavior.
slashdot usually hates stuff. It always seem slike it is full of 50+ year old sysadmins who hate change. I'm sure they probably hate all the stuff that is going on with init and systemd. It's going to be all kinds of fun when wayland comes in too.
pretty decent, however might not be exactly what you're used to. The main panel you can move from desktop to desktop and the second monitor remains fixed. You can change the behavior using gsettings, it's not exposed in gnome-tweak-tool. So multi-monitor mode works out of the box. (I should know, it was my bug that was fixed)
Thanks for writing something that is on topic and relevant to the title instead of the miles of miles of butt hurt comments. You'd think GNOME 3 stole their chidren and won't give them back.
Unlikely. He has to file bugs and what not like everyone else. The extensions are there so that you can solve your own problems with the design. What people don't seem to understand is the extent to what you can manipulate the DE environment. You can pretty much manipulate anything that has gobject introspection and gnome shell allows you to expose. Including the window manager, the network manager, bluetooth whatever. So if you want different animations it should be possible to do your own animations.
The extensions were created not just for users to do something interesting wtih it, but to also test out new designs and help evolve the desktop. GNOME can do more things with it with simple things like javascript and css. Recent web technologies.
Despite what Linus says, he still stuck with GNOME even though he complained about it. Most of all, he's like a lot of other people he just wants things to wrok without tweaking stuff.
In all the loads of comments here, nobody has bothered to actually talk about the extension system. Why do you think that is?
You're beginning to understand. It's quite likely you could create all new GUIs completely using the GNOME extension system including XFCE. All this bitching is just transitory crap. People bitched up and down when GNOME 2 came out. GNOME 2 pushed the limits of usability. Being able to mount cdroms automatically, detect when a flash drive was added.. udev came into existence because of what GNOME wanted to do.
You all would still be out there modifying text files if usability wasn't a main driver for GNOME 2. The same thing is going to happen with GNOME 3. In about 4 releases, things are going to look pretty interesting.
What will you do when in a year or two after everyone has gotten used to the new interfaces and then all these interfaces on Linux start looking dated. Do you think your kids, girlfriend, and whoever are going to want to go back to what looks like windows 95? The amount of people then using these old desktop interfaces will start shrinking I think.
After all, why did all these LInux interfaces come from? Old Windows and Macs because that was the inspiration that was what everyone was using back then.
GNOME was the first to make the jump, but you can bet that KDE will eventually do something similar.
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He beat me by a day or so. The bastard.
Really? Are you mad? You're saying that the president should pass a bill such that our soldiers won't get paid? Their families depend on that money to make ends meet. The optics alone would screw Obama over much less hte real damage it would do to military famiiles.
Don't worry, what people don't understand is that by killing species, we will eventually kill the critical link of interdependence for our own survival (eg bees) and we will not be able to survive. Nature WILL find a way to achieve the balance. In a history than spans millions of years, we are nothing but a blip. Nature will endure. The only reason we are saving species and protecting is to keep our species viable. Otherwise, our flaws will create the right mix to destroy us.
To some extent, that was true about Unix for quite some time. I could argue that it's just a continuous of it. It's not completely believable of course because the desktop is geared for everyone. That said, the kind of things you get in extensions is radically different than trying to build all those into the core and then have preferences exposing them. Extensions can change behaviour completely and override those hated gui designers ideas and you can turn those on and off as you want them. The problem with flexibility is that is that causes bloating and then you have people who just leave because it's just too heavy for them. There are always people who believe there is some magical place where you get all the options you want and your desktop will be light, efficient, and fluffy. It doesn't work that way. Every decision point is a lot more code to handle. More code, more change of human error etc etc. In the end, the same people who want the options will bitch on here about how bloated GNOME is and how it's taking 80Ms of precious memory out of the 6 gigs they have or it can't handle their 512M Pentium II computer.
You're just jealous that he owns a teleprompter.
Even better, they want to give a tax cut with no restrictions. So when corp A, takes the savings from the tax cuts, and opens a plant in India, China or Vietnam, the U.S. wins, right? Sacrifice, baby.
No Pakistan or North Korea? India's military hasn't been tested in awhile.. while the U.S. has been tested all the time.. like every 15 years or so. The U.S. will always be running around using their military.
Isn't that what Bush tried to do? I don't think it worked all that well.
see, this is why Islam bans banks that own interest. :-) Clever, huh?
The bottom 20% however do contribute to the economy. As long as they are contributing to economy my tax dollars are being used for a useful purpose. If some of those people turn around and manage to make more money and learn to save and what not then my tax dollars are again worth it. When I check out of this world, I hope that my donations to my country goes helps does in need. Now, there are instances of course of abuse, and well guess what, everybody abuses the system. They'll pay one way or another.
The way to combat that is to make yourself look dirty. Color your hair, your kids hair, have tatoos (temporariliy) and basically look as 3rd class citizen as possible. It'll fuck those people up, because really an HOA cannot control what you wear.
Kind of shows how flexible GNOME 3 is, doesn't it? Using CSS for gui, and javascript for changing the behavior of GNOME 3 desktop, you're able to make all kind of interesting forks.
use tweak tool and you can change the large fonts. Also 3.2 fixes some of the complaints about that. Please try to use a more up to date GNOME 3 distro.
I wrote an extension to put a lock button on the top bar. Try using that.
And then came extensions.gnome.org, and suddenly, you can get most of your functionality back thanks to various people out there wanting to put features they missed back into the desktop.
Yes, it is. Sorry, bud. It is coming.
Dashboard (the spotlight equivalent) was announced before spotlight was. Indexing, started in GNOME first. In fact with Zeitgeist we are taking it to the next level. For instance, it's possible to click on a file and get all the git version logs on it. How many versions did it have etc. KDE is following suit as well. So, Linux desktops are innovating. You're giving an opinion without trying anything recent. I suggest you try Fedora 16, or Ubuntu or whatever and try both KDE and GNOME and see how they fare. You might also consider that GNOME now has http://extensions.gnome.org/ which can now modify your desktop behavior. GNOME 3 will continue to evolve and because we now use web technologies to rapidly change behavior we'll be able to try out new UI faster than both Mac and PC.
Windows 95 was a change from DOS. I think most people were quite happy with that change to doing more GUI things. I think it is was a welcome change to not having to learn and understand DOS. But we can't stay with the same panel setup as we are used to.
I have used GNOME 3 for quite some time and I think it is a wonderful thing. It has some issues, but overall it's quite good and once you make the commitment to learn GNOME 3, you'll find it hard to go back to GNOME 2 or the old panel stye windows 95 GUI.
Pretty much. You need about a week or so and do it the "GNOME 3 way" so to speak. It's a decent design it has some flaws but extensions can override most of the behavior. slashdot usually hates stuff. It always seem slike it is full of 50+ year old sysadmins who hate change. I'm sure they probably hate all the stuff that is going on with init and systemd. It's going to be all kinds of fun when wayland comes in too.
pretty decent, however might not be exactly what you're used to. The main panel you can move from desktop to desktop and the second monitor remains fixed. You can change the behavior using gsettings, it's not exposed in gnome-tweak-tool. So multi-monitor mode works out of the box. (I should know, it was my bug that was fixed)
Thanks for writing something that is on topic and relevant to the title instead of the miles of miles of butt hurt comments. You'd think GNOME 3 stole their chidren and won't give them back.
Unlikely. He has to file bugs and what not like everyone else. The extensions are there so that you can solve your own problems with the design. What people don't seem to understand is the extent to what you can manipulate the DE environment. You can pretty much manipulate anything that has gobject introspection and gnome shell allows you to expose. Including the window manager, the network manager, bluetooth whatever. So if you want different animations it should be possible to do your own animations. The extensions were created not just for users to do something interesting wtih it, but to also test out new designs and help evolve the desktop. GNOME can do more things with it with simple things like javascript and css. Recent web technologies.
Despite what Linus says, he still stuck with GNOME even though he complained about it. Most of all, he's like a lot of other people he just wants things to wrok without tweaking stuff. In all the loads of comments here, nobody has bothered to actually talk about the extension system. Why do you think that is?
You're beginning to understand. It's quite likely you could create all new GUIs completely using the GNOME extension system including XFCE. All this bitching is just transitory crap. People bitched up and down when GNOME 2 came out. GNOME 2 pushed the limits of usability. Being able to mount cdroms automatically, detect when a flash drive was added.. udev came into existence because of what GNOME wanted to do. You all would still be out there modifying text files if usability wasn't a main driver for GNOME 2. The same thing is going to happen with GNOME 3. In about 4 releases, things are going to look pretty interesting.
What will you do when in a year or two after everyone has gotten used to the new interfaces and then all these interfaces on Linux start looking dated. Do you think your kids, girlfriend, and whoever are going to want to go back to what looks like windows 95? The amount of people then using these old desktop interfaces will start shrinking I think. After all, why did all these LInux interfaces come from? Old Windows and Macs because that was the inspiration that was what everyone was using back then. GNOME was the first to make the jump, but you can bet that KDE will eventually do something similar.