My experience is, contractors tend to be motivated by one thing - money. Early on I got a nice contracting job doing electonic design. The same week I came on board they fired 40% of their workforce, some who had been there 15 years. They offered me a full time position later;-)) Subsequently the only company I would have considered a full time position at was IBM. The rest usually had some kind of wart that made me wary,,, so it isn't Always money.
Visual Basic for Applications Yes they will learn some bad habits. Most of the students won't be going on to be professional programmers anyway so won't matter. What you need to go for is that immediate kick of making something that works and is cool without too much hassle. I see the issue as *not* tuning up CS students but taking the fear and loathing of the computer insides away from Users, who are the majority.
Visual Basic for Applications The advantage is that you can do useful things with the GIU and with real applications like Excel and Word for immediate gratification and a whole lot of little customizing tweaks kids will love. Brainier ones can go onto VB and start hacking the desktop and do ASPs Real nerds can go onto the higher reaches of Linux and C or Perl. The idea here is to give everyone a reasonably useful intro and a look at the inside of apps and computers. Python is nice but I think its better to keep on the mainstream then to get into a new language that *might* become a killer app. Personally I started with 360 BAL and think assembler is the best way to start but then I'm wierd.
I have seen plenty of anonymous posts that had to have been from people inside the industry. I wanna Me Too this point cause its important. Some of the best stuff is from ACs and they should be able to both speak out and protect themselves.
Works Good! the classic case got this English : the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. French : the spirit is laid out but the flesh is weak. German : the spirit is ready, but the flesh is weak. Italian : the spirit is arranged but the meat is weak person. Spanish : the alcohol is arranged but the meat is weak. Portuguese : the spirit is made use but the meat is weak. but this one is more fun English welcome to the tower of babel fish. French welcome with the tower of fish of Babel. German Welcomely to the essay Babelfi. Italian welcome to the turret of the fish de Confusion. Spanish reception to the tower of the fish of Babel. Portuguese boa.vinda to the tower of fish of Babel. ok,,, finished first cup of coffee bye bye
Threaded discussions exactly like we're having now on slashdot, graphics, commercial stuff. BBSs were very important for awhile when the Internet was still academic based. Lots of things carried over.
On MSNBC, Kennedy was described as "the flower of his generation, the inspiration for young America."
I felt some emotion about this incident. Mainly because I can remember all the way back to JFK getting shot, presidents getting murdered tends to be upsetting to kids, and remember the other calameties of this family.
But I barely knew this kid existed, didn't follow the TV, didn't check it on the web. Was those past memories coming back. No big deal.
I'm insulated by living in Thailand, which does my perspective on affairs American lots of good, and it didn't get much coverage. Katz has some interesting things to say but he tends to assume the world revolves around the US. Turns out not to be the case.:-)
your fears of MS involvement with Perl are unfounded. Right! Perl on Windows will make Miscros~1 OSs better, more useable, more reliable and at least we'll have some way to work around the limitations. A good Language is more powerful than an OS.
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I can now pretend to be intelligent and search and discard seperate matched tags? Lots and lots of cool implications for HTML, CGI, and XML developers there. Yes yes yes! and mundane things like find the missing quote the misplaced braces will be much easier. doing replaces for programming Code will be much easier and we may be able to get started on a regex classification engine.
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3) The goals of the direction of perl seem, IMHO, mis-directed (PPM sucks - what the hell is wrong with compiling modules when it's a programming tool for crying out loud?) That's great on unices. I don't want to get into VC++, prefering to work in Perl. Even those who put linux advocacy ahead of Perl should be able to relate to that. Your "embrace and extend" paranoia is misplaced. Perl will at some point be included in the Windows distributions. The open source nature of Perl will open that OS. More important, having a modern and efficient language on Win will improve it immensely. So don't worry about what Micros~1 is going to do to Perl. But glad at what Perl is going to do for the majority, those who use the Win OS.
This is really helpful unlike the poster above who recommends Google. I have a list of NN and AI links also. But too many are to long dead college projects last updated in 97 or otherwise inappropriate. Have gone through the same frustration several times keeping updated in this area and your efforts are appreciated
and that OS will improve as a result. and Micros~1 Needs a good modern language and the API requirements of a Win32 port will tend to open now closed Micros~1 code.
Seems like win-win to me. Perl cannot be corrupted, but it can and will improve its operating environments I want Perl as deep inside as we can get it Lets call it Beauty and the Beast
>Because the whole plane would be simpler, so >would the license. I think we have the technology to make it safer and simpler. Looks like all the bits are in place to turn a radical dive into a gentle swoop and avoid the buildings as well. Bet the production versions don't look much like the Batmobile, though. Joe Public ain't going 600 any time soon. .
I went through differentials in two days with a couple of teach yourself books and some motivation. Its not that hard if you concentrate on the problem solving aspects and forget about Memorizing all those silly formulas for the Exams
I don't care about them,,, they lost it What's good is that things will change for the better because of this. If less people have to go through what I did is a Good Thing Let's keep an eyeball on change for the better.
"The ones that can read and write may have gone into journalism, but the rest are in law enforcement" And where to you think lawyers, especially trial lawyers, come from. Those guys just Loved high school.
I smashed into one coming off the interstate in a heavily populated area of Connecticut! and its luck the thing merely pushed the front end in a foot instead of going through the windshield Deer are not people and the same rules do not apply
mrhouse looked quite cool..... well, the perl code looked quite cool and did a lot of things I'd like a house to do If I had a house:-)
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no Perl jobs near Thailand for the last 6 months. pity prolly scared off by the local servers spitting out Thai language headers.... so what? Its UTF8.:-))
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My experience is, contractors tend to be motivated by one thing - money. Early on I got a nice contracting job doing electonic design. The same week I came on board they fired 40% of their workforce, some who had been there 15 years. ;-))
They offered me a full time position later
Subsequently the only company I would have considered a full time position at was IBM. The rest usually had some kind of wart that made me wary,,, so it isn't Always money.
Visual Basic for Applications
Yes they will learn some bad habits. Most of the students won't be going on to be professional programmers anyway so won't matter.
What you need to go for is that immediate kick of making something that works and is cool without too much hassle.
I see the issue as *not* tuning up CS students but taking the fear and loathing of the computer insides away from Users, who are the majority.
Visual Basic for Applications
The advantage is that you can do useful things with the GIU and with real applications like Excel and Word for immediate gratification and a whole lot of little customizing tweaks kids will love.
Brainier ones can go onto VB and start hacking the desktop and do ASPs
Real nerds can go onto the higher reaches of Linux and C or Perl.
The idea here is to give everyone a reasonably useful intro and a look at the inside of apps and computers. Python is nice but I think its better to keep on the mainstream then to get into a new language that *might* become a killer app.
Personally I started with 360 BAL and think assembler is the best way to start but then I'm wierd.
I have seen plenty of anonymous posts that had to have been from people inside the industry.
I wanna Me Too this point cause its important. Some of the best stuff is from ACs and they should be able to both speak out and protect themselves.
and similar catagories can be added
and we can have an option to ignore these and flamebait, troll ect.
"The Internet has a diameter of about 10,000 pookies. "
Prolly have to prep the brain first, like this with genetic therapies first.
Are the brain people talking to the gene people yet?
Works Good!
the classic case got this
English : the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.
French : the spirit is laid out but the flesh is weak.
German : the spirit is ready, but the flesh is weak.
Italian : the spirit is arranged but the meat is weak person.
Spanish : the alcohol is arranged but the meat is weak.
Portuguese : the spirit is made use but the meat is weak.
but this one is more fun
English welcome to the tower of babel fish.
French welcome with the tower of fish of Babel.
German Welcomely to the essay Babelfi.
Italian welcome to the turret of the fish de Confusion.
Spanish reception to the tower of the fish of Babel.
Portuguese boa.vinda to the tower of fish of Babel.
ok,,, finished first cup of coffee bye bye
Threaded discussions exactly like we're having now on slashdot, graphics, commercial stuff.
BBSs were very important for awhile when the Internet was still academic based. Lots of things carried over.
I felt some emotion about this incident. Mainly because I can remember all the way back to JFK getting shot, presidents getting murdered tends to be upsetting to kids, and remember the other calameties of this family.
But I barely knew this kid existed, didn't follow the TV, didn't check it on the web. Was those past memories coming back. No big deal.
I'm insulated by living in Thailand, which does my perspective on affairs American lots of good, and it didn't get much coverage. Katz has some interesting things to say but he tends to assume the world revolves around the US. :-)
Turns out not to be the case.
your fears of MS involvement with Perl are unfounded.
Right!
Perl on Windows will make Miscros~1 OSs better, more useable, more reliable and at least we'll have some way to work around the limitations.
A good Language is more powerful than an OS.
I can now pretend to be intelligent and search and discard seperate matched tags? Lots and lots of cool implications for HTML, CGI, and XML developers there.
Yes yes yes!
and mundane things like find the missing quote the misplaced braces will be much easier.
doing replaces for programming Code will be much easier and we may be able to get started on a regex classification engine.
3) The goals of the direction of perl seem, IMHO, mis-directed (PPM sucks - what the hell is wrong with compiling modules when it's a programming tool for crying out loud?)
That's great on unices. I don't want to get into VC++, prefering to work in Perl. Even those who put linux advocacy ahead of Perl should be able to relate to that.
Your "embrace and extend" paranoia is misplaced. Perl will at some point be included in the Windows distributions. The open source nature of Perl will open that OS. More important, having a modern and efficient language on Win will improve it immensely.
So don't worry about what Micros~1 is going to do to Perl. But glad at what Perl is going to do for the majority, those who use the Win OS.
This is really helpful
unlike the poster above who recommends Google.
I have a list of NN and AI links also. But too many are to long dead college projects last updated in 97 or otherwise inappropriate.
Have gone through the same frustration several times keeping updated in this area and your efforts are appreciated
and that OS will improve as a result.
and Micros~1 Needs a good modern language
and the API requirements of a Win32 port will tend to open now closed Micros~1 code.
Seems like win-win to me.
Perl cannot be corrupted, but it can and will improve its operating environments
I want Perl as deep inside as we can get it
Lets call it Beauty and the Beast
>Because the whole plane would be simpler, so >would the license. I think we have the technology to make it safer and simpler. Looks like all the bits are in place to turn a radical dive into a gentle swoop and avoid the buildings as well. Bet the production versions don't look much like the Batmobile, though. Joe Public ain't going 600 any time soon. .
I went through differentials in two days with a couple of teach yourself books and some motivation.
Its not that hard if you concentrate on the problem solving aspects and forget about Memorizing all those silly formulas for the Exams
I don't care about them,,, they lost it
What's good is that things will change for the better because of this.
If less people have to go through what I did is a Good Thing
Let's keep an eyeball on change for the better.
"The ones that can read and write may have gone into journalism, but the rest are in law enforcement"
And where to you think lawyers, especially trial lawyers, come from.
Those guys just Loved high school.
I smashed into one coming off the interstate in a heavily populated area of Connecticut!
and its luck the thing merely pushed the front end in a foot instead of going through the windshield
Deer are not people and the same rules do not apply
I dropped out of high school in '65
I did ok, after awhile I'm 52 and still a geek but living in Bangkok now, where the girls chase me and the horrors past faded memories.
mrhouse looked quite cool..... well, the perl code looked quite cool and did a lot of things I'd like a house to do If I had a house :-)
no Perl jobs near Thailand for the last 6 months. pity prolly scared off by the local servers spitting out Thai language headers.... so what? Its UTF8. :-))
Well, that may be overstating it a bit. Cheap neutron are nice but this seems more evolutionary.