You can just as easily use your "go" menu item (Netscape) or the pulldown menu on the back-button (IExplore) and move a few sites back.. no need to press "back".. and also.. you can beat that system by clicking VERY VERY fast. See it as an arcade style game "Leave the site".. you know you can do it ! --
I'm using 192.168.0.0/22 at work (with 192.168.0.0/24 for the servers and 192.168.1-3.0 for the workstations) and 192.168.2.0/24 at home.. enough to keep this net from wearing out ? --
Spoofing to non-existant return addresses is an orthogonal issue. You reply that it's used to mask the souce boxes? Any _valid_ address could also be used for that, so filtering would gain you nothing against that. True for a part.. ANY network should do filtering on outgoing traffic to filter out ANY spoofed packets.. while this will not stop DDoS as such, it will become much harder to spoof your origin and thus easier to track down the actual DDoS kiddies.
This alone might be enough to stop someone from starting the DDoS in the first place
My own firewall will start sending mail when someone from inside here is trying to send spoofed packets, so I can LART that user straight out of the building into unemployment
But.. sometimes it just happens. After breaking up with my first girlfriend (who I had met on MOO) I vowed never to fall in love with someone on Internet again (bloody distance can be killing).. this was in October 1997. Early January 1998, I got introduced to a web-based chatter. Small crowd, good atmosphere, I was hooked:)
Then, not even two weeks later, I met a girl there and we started talking. For two weeks, all we did each night was talk to eachother for 4-6 hours in a row. The inevitable happened... we fell in love. After a year of online relationship, we finally met in February this year (she lives in the USA, I in the Netherlands... 3500 miles is a long, long swim) She stayed with me for a month... one of the best months of my life
And Jan 15th, I'm flying there. It has been almost a year again since we've seen eachother.. it's hard, but we manage.
For me, the key to finding a special one (and friends in general) online is be yourself... don't hide behind lies. Online relationships are even more based on blind trust than IRL. It's impossible to see if someone types the truth, so you have to trust him/her.
The fun thing is, that because online chat is a little more anonymous, people tend to say things they wouldn't tell anyone but their best friends IRL. I know for sure that I know some of my online friends better than some of my IRL friends.
The FoF download from the Microsoft site: * Word format (851k) * WordPerfect format (438k)
Appearently, the Word format adds about 400k of new information, which we otherwise would never have seen.. very nice of Microsoft to at least provide us with that necessary information
1) I am indeed a vampire.. okay.. so before you start claiming anything, read the "Living Vampires Homepage"... and no.. I don't drink other people's blood
2) Serial killer? only when playing Quake, Unreal, Carmageddon, etc....
3) Worship Satan? I didn't do that last time I checked.. although for certain people, being a Roman Catholic (which I am) might be just as bad...
Coming from the Netherlands myself, this response shocked me actually.. over here people aren't judged on the way they look... I walk around here at work (I am a systems administrator) in jeans (preferrably black), combat boots and band-shirts (currently Dark Tranquillity)... My colleagues judge me on my knowledge and not on how I look...
I do agree with you on one thing.. words are powerful weapons.. IF what you say makes any sense that is.. and the stuff you blabber about is based only on prejudice and ignorance.. try to look into stuff some more before you shout the next time please.. and have the guts to at least post under a normal name, just like I do...
Anything really.. but favorites include: Iron Maiden, Pantera, Type O Negative, Dark Tranquillity, Nine Inch Nails, Sisters of Mercy, Project Pitchfork, Nitzer Ebb, Bauhaus, Fear Factory, KMFDM and the Matrix Soundtrack
Very occasionally, I will listen to some Wagner, Grieg or Mussorgsky.. depends on the mood I'm in... --
You gotta be joking.. I am from NL myself.. but it wouldn't surprise me for the least if our prime minister had accepted a few hundred thousand from some companies.. the same goes for other ministers here.. especially when you look at defense, it wouldn't surprise me that the decision to buy some AH-64's a few years ago was "funded"... stuff like that happens everywhere.. politicians are people with power.. and everyone has a price.. everyone can be bought...
So don't say it doesn't happen here (except in local politics).. it happens here just as much, only more covertly since there are no "legal" ways to bribe someone (like in the US with "campaign funding") --
23 open tcp telnet 80 filtered tcp http 113 open tcp auth 179 open tcp bgp 12345 filtered tcp NetBus 12346 filtered tcp NetBus
The 'filtered' in the above means that those ports are actually intercepted somewhere in between... this DOESN'T mean that the device is actually listening on those ports... for ports 12345 and 12346 I can understand this... most ISP's totally block access to ports 12345, 12346 and 31337 nowadays (oh how difficult it is to change the IP of BO/NetBus.. but it protects your system from the average script kiddie, I guess).. I don't know why port 80 would be blocked though.. makes no sense to me.. but from the above list, it's absolutely logical that you didn't get a connection with your web-browser --
Ratings can serve a good purpose, but it's mostly used in the wrong way. Of course most parents don't want their children to go and watch a few porn movies in the local theatre. The same can be applied to the internet, especially because it's very easy to find anything you like on any subject within 10 minutes, if you know where to look. But in my opinion, these decisions should be made by the parents and not by the government.
Make it so that the browser will refuse to show a page with a certain PICS-label, but don't filter it out at the root. The only thing you need to filter out at the root (anywhere, but as close to the source as possible) are the pages without PICS-labels.. I am not against labeling.. it's a way to know in advance what you can expect, so you can take measures yourself to prevent people from seeing it... people in your own surroundings, that use your computer to access it.
But... most governments nowadays seem oblivious to the fact that everyone is still entitled to their own opinion and is wise enough to make their own decisions. Who are they that they can judge what I can and what I can't see? Every democracy (or country claiming to be one) in this world has something called "Freedom of Speech".. how usefil is it if you can say all you want, but it will never be heard by anyone?
IMO the best way to implement this all, would be to make labeling indeed involuntary AND to 'force' software companies to have filtering in their browsers so you can set the amount of filtering you like.. high if your kids are using the computer, low (or just as high, depending on your preferences) if you're using it yourself.
Sometimes a searchengine will point you to a porn-site, no matter what you're looking for. Wouldn't it be nice if you could enable filtering if you don't want to see those things and get rid of all those irritating pop-ups that bother you when you try to exit a mistakingly entered porn-site?
Just my 2 cts. (Dutch cents.. not even worth 1 US ct.) --
WinCE devices are not selling very well right now, dispite having hardware that is arguably better than that of a Palm Pilot. The hardware HAS to be better than the PalmPilot, considering the size of the applications running on it...
Ever seen a Palm with 8 MB ROM AND 8 MB RAM ? But.. I agree.. with Linux running on such a thing.. I'd go for one of these babies... for the moment, I'd even be happy enough with a command shell on the display
In addition, someone tried to gain access to the server, pretending to be a legitimate webmaster, and in the process left an Internet address, he said.
The DoS attacks were not the ones leaving the IP-address.. someone just tried to simply log on to the machine, failed and had his/her IP-address logged. This still doesn't mean that the Chinese were doing it, since I would definitely not use my own computer to directly connect to the machine I want to break in to.
Whether or not they were stupid enough to use one of their own machines to just try to log in, remains to be seen.
distributed.net don't have a separate intel/amd/cyrix client too... they have OS clients
AMD and Cyrix are both x86 clones, so they run the same kinds of instructions as the intel procs. there ARE multiple clients for Linux on distributed.net, for procs that are not x86-compatible.. check out the rc5-client download page at http://www.distributed.net/cgi/select.cgi
they've got clients for linux-alpha, linux-ppc, linux-sparc, etc. etc. etc.
But still it looks highly unlikely to me that this chip can run at these speeds, unless they've built a couple of multi-processor machines
The smart people aren't the ones that have to be afraid of the moderators. At least.. not in my definition of smart. If you're smart, you think before you write, therefor, you're comments are thought out and well supported with arguments. In this way, smart people think about what they want to say, and they know that what they write won't be moderated down, because it's reasonable and makes sense.
The NOT smart people, who press reply and start flaming away without any proper arguments. THOSE are the ones that need to worry about what happens to their comments... of course I can imagine that those people don't think about that either and just flame away anyway.
I'm an administrator on a chat-site and I know the way people can react on things they don't like. Most people will indeed instantly get out the "big guns" (mailbomb, any kind of DoS attack, flame, whatever).. I've had my share of death threats by people from the other side of the ocean (which shows again that people don't think before they write... it's very unlikely they will really take all that effort to come to here to kill me..)
Hmm.. all this rambling.. Let's summarise: The moderation system won't drive off smart people it will maybe even attract more smart people and get them to post comments, because they know that their comments won't get lost in a sea of flames due to the filtering that's possible on the comments.. I've got my filter on 2, which gives me only the really interesting stuff.
The smart people aren't the ones that have to be afraid of the moderators. At least.. not in my definition of smart. If you're smart, you think before you write, therefor, you're comments are thought out and well supported with arguments. In this way, smart people think about what they want to say, and they know that what they write won't be moderated down, because it's reasonable and makes sense.
The NOT smart people, who press reply and start flaming away without any proper arguments. THOSE are the ones that need to worry about what happens to their comments... of course I can imagine that those people don't think about that either and just flame away anyway.
I'm an administrator on a chat-site and I know the way people can react on things they don't like. Most people will indeed instantly get out the "big guns" (mailbomb, any kind of DoS attack, flame, whatever).. I've had my share of death threats by people from the other side of the ocean (which shows again that people don't think before they write... it's very unlikely they will really take all that effort to come to here to kill me..)
Hmm.. all this rambling.. Let's summarise: The moderation system won't drive off smart people it will maybe even attract more smart people and get them to post comments, because they know that their comments won't get lost in a sea of flames due to the filtering that's possible on the comments.. I've got my filter on 2, which gives me only the really interesting stuff.
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HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:01:27 GMT Server: Apache/1.2.5 mod_perl/1.07 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html
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You can just as easily use your "go" menu item (Netscape) or the pulldown menu on the back-button (IExplore) and move a few sites back .. no need to press "back" .. and also .. you can beat that system by clicking VERY VERY fast. See it as an arcade style game "Leave the site" .. you know you can do it !
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I'm using 192.168.0.0/22 at work (with 192.168.0.0/24 for the servers and 192.168.1-3.0 for the workstations) and 192.168.2.0/24 at home .. enough to keep this net from wearing out ?
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Spoofing to non-existant return addresses is an orthogonal issue. You reply that it's used to mask the souce boxes? Any _valid_ address could also be used for that, so filtering would gain you nothing against that. .. ANY network should do filtering on outgoing traffic to filter out ANY spoofed packets .. while this will not stop DDoS as such, it will become much harder to spoof your origin and thus easier to track down the actual DDoS kiddies.
True for a part
This alone might be enough to stop someone from starting the DDoS in the first place
My own firewall will start sending mail when someone from inside here is trying to send spoofed packets, so I can LART that user straight out of the building into unemployment
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But .. sometimes it just happens. .. this was in October 1997. Early January 1998, I got introduced to a web-based chatter. Small crowd, good atmosphere, I was hooked :)
... we fell in love. After a year of online relationship, we finally met in February this year (she lives in the USA, I in the Netherlands ... 3500 miles is a long, long swim) She stayed with me for a month ... one of the best months of my life
.. it's hard, but we manage.
... don't hide behind lies. Online relationships are even more based on blind trust than IRL. It's impossible to see if someone types the truth, so you have to trust him/her.
After breaking up with my first girlfriend (who I had met on MOO) I vowed never to fall in love with someone on Internet again (bloody distance can be killing)
Then, not even two weeks later, I met a girl there and we started talking. For two weeks, all we did each night was talk to eachother for 4-6 hours in a row. The inevitable happened
And Jan 15th, I'm flying there. It has been almost a year again since we've seen eachother
For me, the key to finding a special one (and friends in general) online is be yourself
The fun thing is, that because online chat is a little more anonymous, people tend to say things they wouldn't tell anyone but their best friends IRL. I know for sure that I know some of my online friends better than some of my IRL friends.
Just my experiences
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The FoF download from the Microsoft site:
.. very nice of Microsoft to at least provide us with that necessary information
* Word format (851k)
* WordPerfect format (438k)
Appearently, the Word format adds about 400k of new information, which we otherwise would never have seen
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well ... I have to answer your questions I guess ..
.. okay .. so before you start claiming anything, read the "Living Vampires Homepage" ... and no .. I don't drink other people's blood
...
.. although for certain people, being a Roman Catholic (which I am) might be just as bad ...
.. over here people aren't judged on the way they look ... I walk around here at work (I am a systems administrator) in jeans (preferrably black), combat boots and band-shirts (currently Dark Tranquillity) ... My colleagues judge me on my knowledge and not on how I look ...
.. words are powerful weapons .. IF what you say makes any sense that is .. and the stuff you blabber about is based only on prejudice and ignorance .. try to look into stuff some more before you shout the next time please .. and have the guts to at least post under a normal name, just like I do ...
1) I am indeed a vampire
2) Serial killer? only when playing Quake, Unreal, Carmageddon, etc.
3) Worship Satan? I didn't do that last time I checked
Coming from the Netherlands myself, this response shocked me actually
I do agree with you on one thing
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Anything really .. but favorites include:
.. depends on the mood I'm in ...
Iron Maiden, Pantera, Type O Negative, Dark Tranquillity, Nine Inch Nails, Sisters of Mercy, Project Pitchfork, Nitzer Ebb, Bauhaus, Fear Factory, KMFDM and the Matrix Soundtrack
Very occasionally, I will listen to some Wagner, Grieg or Mussorgsky
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You gotta be joking .. I am from NL myself .. but it wouldn't surprise me for the least if our prime minister had accepted a few hundred thousand from some companies .. the same goes for other ministers here .. especially when you look at defense, it wouldn't surprise me that the decision to buy some AH-64's a few years ago was "funded" ... stuff like that happens everywhere .. politicians are people with power .. and everyone has a price .. everyone can be bought ...
.. it happens here just as much, only more covertly since there are no "legal" ways to bribe someone (like in the US with "campaign funding")
So don't say it doesn't happen here (except in local politics)
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23 open tcp telnet
80 filtered tcp http
113 open tcp auth
179 open tcp bgp
12345 filtered tcp NetBus
12346 filtered tcp NetBus
The 'filtered' in the above means that those ports are actually intercepted somewhere in between
--
Ratings can serve a good purpose, but it's mostly used in the wrong way. Of course most parents don't want their children to go and watch a few porn movies in the local theatre. The same can be applied to the internet, especially because it's very easy to find anything you like on any subject within 10 minutes, if you know where to look. But in my opinion, these decisions should be made by the parents and not by the government.
.. I am not against labeling .. it's a way to know in advance what you can expect, so you can take measures yourself to prevent people from seeing it ... people in your own surroundings, that use your computer to access it.
... most governments nowadays seem oblivious to the fact that everyone is still entitled to their own opinion and is wise enough to make their own decisions. Who are they that they can judge what I can and what I can't see? Every democracy (or country claiming to be one) in this world has something called "Freedom of Speech" .. how usefil is it if you can say all you want, but it will never be heard by anyone?
.. high if your kids are using the computer, low (or just as high, depending on your preferences) if you're using it yourself.
.. not even worth 1 US ct.)
Make it so that the browser will refuse to show a page with a certain PICS-label, but don't filter it out at the root. The only thing you need to filter out at the root (anywhere, but as close to the source as possible) are the pages without PICS-labels
But
IMO the best way to implement this all, would be to make labeling indeed involuntary AND to 'force' software companies to have filtering in their browsers so you can set the amount of filtering you like
Sometimes a searchengine will point you to a porn-site, no matter what you're looking for. Wouldn't it be nice if you could enable filtering if you don't want to see those things and get rid of all those irritating pop-ups that bother you when you try to exit a mistakingly entered porn-site?
Just my 2 cts. (Dutch cents
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WinCE devices are not selling very well right now, dispite having hardware that is arguably better than that of a Palm Pilot. ...
.. I agree .. with Linux running on such a thing .. I'd go for one of these babies ... for the moment, I'd even be happy enough with a command shell on the display
The hardware HAS to be better than the PalmPilot, considering the size of the applications running on it
Ever seen a Palm with 8 MB ROM AND 8 MB RAM ?
But
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To quote from the article:
.. someone just tried to simply log on to the machine, failed and had his/her IP-address logged. This still doesn't mean that the Chinese were doing it, since I would definitely not use my own computer to directly connect to the machine I want to break in to.
In addition, someone tried to gain access to the server, pretending to be a legitimate webmaster, and in the process left an Internet address, he said.
The DoS attacks were not the ones leaving the IP-address
Whether or not they were stupid enough to use one of their own machines to just try to log in, remains to be seen.
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distributed.net don't have a separate intel/amd/cyrix client too... they have OS clients
.. check out the rc5-client download page at
AMD and Cyrix are both x86 clones, so they run the same kinds of instructions as the intel procs. there ARE multiple clients for Linux on distributed.net, for procs that are not x86-compatible
http://www.distributed.net/cgi/select.cgi
they've got clients for linux-alpha, linux-ppc, linux-sparc, etc. etc. etc.
But still it looks highly unlikely to me that this chip can run at these speeds, unless they've built a couple of multi-processor machines
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abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvWXYz .........
... just an explanation
X is a successor of W so the successor of X will be called
'nuff said
not meant as a flame
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I think I did something wrong somewhere... :)
Could someone moderate that first post down?
the second one is better in layout
(text is the same)
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The smart people aren't the ones that have to be afraid of the moderators. .. not in my definition of smart. If you're smart, you think before you write, therefor, you're comments are thought out and well supported with arguments. In this way, smart people think about what they want to say, and they know that what they write won't be moderated down, because it's reasonable and makes sense.
... of course I can imagine that those people don't think about that either and just flame away anyway.
.. I've had my share of death threats by people from the other side of the ocean (which shows again that people don't think before they write ... it's very unlikely they will really take all that effort to come to here to kill me ..)
.. all this rambling .. Let's summarise: .. I've got my filter on 2, which gives me only the really interesting stuff.
At least
The NOT smart people, who press reply and start flaming away without any proper arguments. THOSE are the ones that need to worry about what happens to their comments
I'm an administrator on a chat-site and I know the way people can react on things they don't like.
Most people will indeed instantly get out the "big guns" (mailbomb, any kind of DoS attack, flame, whatever)
Hmm
The moderation system won't drive off smart people it will maybe even attract more smart people and get them to post comments, because they know that their comments won't get lost in a sea of flames due to the filtering that's possible on the comments
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The smart people aren't the ones that have .. not in my definition of smart.
... of course I can imagine that those people don't think about that either and just flame away anyway.
.. I've had my share of death threats by people from the other side of the ocean (which shows again that people don't think before they write ... it's very unlikely they will really take all that effort to come to here to kill me ..)
.. all this rambling .. Let's summarise: .. I've got my filter on 2, which gives me only the really interesting stuff.
to be afraid of the moderators.
At least
If you're smart, you think before you write,
therefor, you're comments are thought out and
well supported with arguments. In this way, smart people think about what they want to say, and
they know that what they write won't be moderated down, because it's reasonable and makes sense.
The NOT smart people, who press reply and start flaming away without any proper arguments. THOSE are the ones that need to worry about what happens to their comments
I'm an administrator on a chat-site and I know the way people can react on things they don't like.
Most people will indeed instantly get out the "big guns" (mailbomb, any kind of DoS attack, flame, whatever)
Hmm
The moderation system won't drive off smart people
it will maybe even attract more smart people and get them to post comments, because they know that their comments won't get lost in a sea of flames due to the filtering that's possible on the comments
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zero@nagash:/home/zero > telnet ely.dkuug.dk 80
Trying 195.215.30.67...
Connected to set.dkuug.dk.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET / HTTP/1.0
HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:01:27 GMT
Server: Apache/1.2.5 mod_perl/1.07
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html
403 Forbidden
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /
on this server.
Connection closed by foreign host.
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