Not really. It depends entirely on what he did there. If he went there to work in a call center, it doesn't mean jack.
If he went there to head up the development of a new technology center, then yes...that would look good. But it would look go no matter where you acquired that experience.
Hatred is usually fueled by jealousy. A lot of that particularly after Bush just steamrolled through Iraq and gave a big Fuck You to the UN, France, Germany and Russia at the same time.
No other country could get away with that.
They may hate the US, but they certainly respect the asswhupping it can dish out.
You are taking me waaaay too literally. I was using that analogy as an extreme example.
Clearly most people are not going to work in a fast food restaurant. They'll take more practical steps like working in a similar job/field for less money. That's what happening to a lot of people these days.
I knew sarcasm didn't travel well on the web, I didn't know analogies were problematic also.
Whenever I read blanket statements of this type I always wonder whether the person making the comment has a problem with women in general. As a man, I love women whereever I am at that particular moment. They are all beautiful in their own way.
It just seems like a weird, objectifying type of comment to make.
No it's not. You could get a fast food job in the US and make the same amount of money that a programmer in India makes.
Sure, the cost of living in India would be cheaper, but most people won't have to go to the drastic level of getting such a low paying job. Most people would probably accept a lower-paying job in the same field. It's happened to a lot of people that I used to work with.
But if you live in Manhattan and are thinking of moving to India, I'd certainly be interestedin subletting your apartment.
I'd pay you relative to your new Indian living standard, of course.;>)
I would imagine they would be hiring Westerners for precisely the same reasons that American or European companies hire Chinese, Japanese or Indian people: To help them do business with Chinese, Japanese and Indian companies/countries.
There would certainly be an advantage for an Indian company that does business with an American company to have Americans on the inside schooling them on how things work.
What happens when you want to move back to the UK? You've spend a better part of your best wage-earning years making Indian wages. When you sell your Indian home and convert it to pounds, what kind of home can you buy when you move back to London?
I can see people working in India for very short periods of time, but moving from a 1st world nation to a 2nd or 3rd world nation (at least in terms of wages) does not have the same benefits as the reverse situation does.
For now, I take articles like this as anecdotal at best. Certainly it is not indicative of a viable trend for the majority of people.
I wonder what the response would be if someone posted similar numbers about Microsoft's next OS. I'm sure they'd find creative ways to diminish the results.
One thing I've learned is not to take tech writers too seriously. Most of them are writers for a reason.
the cancellation of this patent would be a good thing. We can't have these tiny little extornist companies putting a stranglehold on technology and commerce.
Whatever Microsoft is guilty of, I don't recall it using patent violations as a tactic. They have created a lot of wealth for a lot of people. I can't say the same for the patent holders in this case.
All animated shows you see on television in the U.S. (Simpsons, Futurama, Family Guy, etc.) have been farmed out to S. Korea or other countries for years. Principle animation is done stateside and the rest is "fleshed" out.
It's amusing to see everyone assume 'American' when mentioning the West. Has Europe moved into another ideological sphere that separates them from the rest of the world, and if so what is it?
I wasn't talking about the naivete of PHB's. I was talking about the naivete of people who are surprised that companies do not release studies which reach negative conclusions.
Please try to read posts before karma whoring next time.
Is this really surprising? Are companies in the business of shooting themselves in the foot? They are under no obligation to release *every* study they undertake.
I really don't understand why this is news. Are people really that naive?
Do you even know how to put together a string of semi-coherent thoughts? I suspect that English is not your first language because you said nothing in your post that made sense.
Your fustration in your inability to formulate a decent argument is showing in your lame attacks on my person. I'm not surprised though. That's usually the last resort for those who lack the ability to formulate and clearly communicate their thoughts.
You can't have it both ways. You can't absolve foreign gov'ts of any responsibility and lay it all at the feet of the Western companies. It just doesn't work that way. That's the bottom line. Any talk contrary to that is plainly ridiculous.
Western companies don't dictate foreign policy, they follow it. They are free to do business with any country that is not banned by law or policy.
While you're traveling around the world documenting human rights abuses and championing the cause of slave laborers, you might do well to travel to some places in the real world.
but what is worrisome is that when capitalism has come full circle, people start to sound awfully like they would like Karl Marx to be the next president.
Well, what you're hearing is fear, a very natural reaction in times of rapid change and uncertainty. This happens at each economic revolution. I don't know if the culture of risk and reward is taking off in India. I hope it is because they have a lot to offer to the world.
I myself don't know how long my job will be safe, but I'm trying everything I know to pr
The difference is in Western Cultures, fear quickly leads to innovation. There will be lots of people who get left behind but the young people who see what's happening are adapting and retooling.
I just don't know if India and other nations reaping the short term benefits of Global Trade will ever ascend to the 1st world status where they dictate and create global trade rather than accept what is given to them.
I would like to ask you a question, since you are Indian. Is entrepenuership permeating the culture in India? Do you detect a significant change in India in this area over the last 15 years or so?
The moral obligations of a foreign government is irrelevant.
I know, because they don't have any obligation to protect their own citizens. Why should they when you can leave the dirty work to Big Foreign Business?
You're basically saying it's OK to screw the prostitute because the pimp is the one who'll beat her if she doesn't go for it. Just because you don't have to slap her around, you're in the clear. Keep telling yourself that.
A word of advice...don't ever contemplate a writing career. If that's what constitutes an analogy in your mind, stick to programming or whatever it is you do.
Would you, personally, buy a product that was produced with slave labor?
Depends on how you define "slave labor". I've bought Nike sneakers. Is it slave labor for Big Business to engage in global trade? If so, let's just end global trade right now. That way, no one gets taken advantage of by foreign companies.
If so, would you actually be able to delude yourself into believing that doing so didn't force you to share in responsibility for the suffering of the slaves?
If the gov'ts don't protect their own people, why should I care? If people are willing to work for wages, who am I to overrule them and their gov't and tell them they can't do it?
Global trade comes in all sizes and shapes. You either accept it completely or stop indulging in your own hypocrisy.
The foreign gov'ts allowed their people to be abused, but it was Western companies who were the ones taking advantage. Because obviously Western companies are more powerful than foreign gov'ts and have a moral obligation to protect employees, whereas foreign gov'ts have no obligation to their own people.
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Not really. It depends entirely on what he did there. If he went there to work in a call center, it doesn't mean jack.
If he went there to head up the development of a new technology center, then yes...that would look good. But it would look go no matter where you acquired that experience.
Hatred is usually fueled by jealousy. A lot of that particularly after Bush just steamrolled through Iraq and gave a big Fuck You to the UN, France, Germany and Russia at the same time.
No other country could get away with that.
They may hate the US, but they certainly respect the asswhupping it can dish out.
You are taking me waaaay too literally. I was using that analogy as an extreme example.
Clearly most people are not going to work in a fast food restaurant. They'll take more practical steps like working in a similar job/field for less money. That's what happening to a lot of people these days.
I knew sarcasm didn't travel well on the web, I didn't know analogies were problematic also.
Not to mention, Indian women are beautiful
Whenever I read blanket statements of this type I always wonder whether the person making the comment has a problem with women in general. As a man, I love women whereever I am at that particular moment. They are all beautiful in their own way.
It just seems like a weird, objectifying type of comment to make.
No it's not. You could get a fast food job in the US and make the same amount of money that a programmer in India makes.
;>)
Sure, the cost of living in India would be cheaper, but most people won't have to go to the drastic level of getting such a low paying job. Most people would probably accept a lower-paying job in the same field. It's happened to a lot of people that I used to work with.
But if you live in Manhattan and are thinking of moving to India, I'd certainly be interestedin subletting your apartment.
I'd pay you relative to your new Indian living standard, of course.
I would imagine they would be hiring Westerners for precisely the same reasons that American or European companies hire Chinese, Japanese or Indian people: To help them do business with Chinese, Japanese and Indian companies/countries.
There would certainly be an advantage for an Indian company that does business with an American company to have Americans on the inside schooling them on how things work.
What happens when you want to move back to the UK? You've spend a better part of your best wage-earning years making Indian wages. When you sell your Indian home and convert it to pounds, what kind of home can you buy when you move back to London?
I can see people working in India for very short periods of time, but moving from a 1st world nation to a 2nd or 3rd world nation (at least in terms of wages) does not have the same benefits as the reverse situation does.
For now, I take articles like this as anecdotal at best. Certainly it is not indicative of a viable trend for the majority of people.
I wonder what the response would be if someone posted similar numbers about Microsoft's next OS. I'm sure they'd find creative ways to diminish the results.
One thing I've learned is not to take tech writers too seriously. Most of them are writers for a reason.
You hit another nerve. Gawd, you're cool.
IBM contracting out DOS to Microsoft...and letting Microsoft keep ownership.
If IBM had played hardball and demanded ownership, more than likely Gates would have caved. The world would be much different today, that's for sure.
No butterflys. The Rolling Stones wouldn't have sold out...ok, maybe that would still have happened.
the cancellation of this patent would be a good thing. We can't have these tiny little extornist companies putting a stranglehold on technology and commerce.
Whatever Microsoft is guilty of, I don't recall it using patent violations as a tactic. They have created a lot of wealth for a lot of people. I can't say the same for the patent holders in this case.
You sound gay.
I would imagine no one you've ever met has ever been impressed by anything you've done and wouldn't mind if you collapsed.
All animated shows you see on television in the U.S. (Simpsons, Futurama, Family Guy, etc.) have been farmed out to S. Korea or other countries for years. Principle animation is done stateside and the rest is "fleshed" out.
Animation is a tough career to pursue.
Disney was must-see 50 years ago (their hayday)
So Disney has only been to a stylist once in 50 years? Walt must have some nappy hair !!!
I wonder why
First they ban religious symbols. Now they attack a democratic state for thinking about using a referendum.
I guess France just talks a good game regarding Liberty and Freedom.
Now that the Iraqis have released a list of dozens of French politicians who were bribed into opposing the Iraqi war, there can be no doubt:
France has lot its soul and has devolved into a rogue nation.
It's amusing to see everyone assume 'American' when mentioning the West. Has Europe moved into another ideological sphere that separates them from the rest of the world, and if so what is it?
No, no, no, no.
I wasn't talking about the naivete of PHB's. I was talking about the naivete of people who are surprised that companies do not release studies which reach negative conclusions.
Please try to read posts before karma whoring next time.
Is this really surprising? Are companies in the business of shooting themselves in the foot? They are under no obligation to release *every* study they undertake.
I really don't understand why this is news. Are people really that naive?
Thanks for confirming my last post. I got a good chuckle out of Beavis, however. It's been six years or so since I last heard that one.
?!?
Do you even know how to put together a string of semi-coherent thoughts? I suspect that English is not your first language because you said nothing in your post that made sense.
Your fustration in your inability to formulate a decent argument is showing in your lame attacks on my person. I'm not surprised though. That's usually the last resort for those who lack the ability to formulate and clearly communicate their thoughts.
You can't have it both ways. You can't absolve foreign gov'ts of any responsibility and lay it all at the feet of the Western companies. It just doesn't work that way. That's the bottom line. Any talk contrary to that is plainly ridiculous.
Western companies don't dictate foreign policy, they follow it. They are free to do business with any country that is not banned by law or policy.
While you're traveling around the world documenting human rights abuses and championing the cause of slave laborers, you might do well to travel to some places in the real world.
but what is worrisome is that when capitalism has come full circle, people start to sound awfully like they would like Karl Marx to be the next president.
Well, what you're hearing is fear, a very natural reaction in times of rapid change and uncertainty. This happens at each economic revolution. I don't know if the culture of risk and reward is taking off in India. I hope it is because they have a lot to offer to the world.
I myself don't know how long my job will be safe, but I'm trying everything I know to pr
The difference is in Western Cultures, fear quickly leads to innovation. There will be lots of people who get left behind but the young people who see what's happening are adapting and retooling.
I just don't know if India and other nations reaping the short term benefits of Global Trade will ever ascend to the 1st world status where they dictate and create global trade rather than accept what is given to them.
I would like to ask you a question, since you are Indian. Is entrepenuership permeating the culture in India? Do you detect a significant change in India in this area over the last 15 years or so?
Geeez... Some people don't get it.
You're telling me.
The moral obligations of a foreign government is irrelevant.
I know, because they don't have any obligation to protect their own citizens. Why should they when you can leave the dirty work to Big Foreign Business?
You're basically saying it's OK to screw the prostitute because the pimp is the one who'll beat her if she doesn't go for it. Just because you don't have to slap her around, you're in the clear. Keep telling yourself that.
A word of advice...don't ever contemplate a writing career. If that's what constitutes an analogy in your mind, stick to programming or whatever it is you do.
Would you, personally, buy a product that was produced with slave labor?
Depends on how you define "slave labor". I've bought Nike sneakers. Is it slave labor for Big Business to engage in global trade? If so, let's just end global trade right now. That way, no one gets taken advantage of by foreign companies.
If so, would you actually be able to delude yourself into believing that doing so didn't force you to share in responsibility for the suffering of the slaves?
If the gov'ts don't protect their own people, why should I care? If people are willing to work for wages, who am I to overrule them and their gov't and tell them they can't do it?
Global trade comes in all sizes and shapes. You either accept it completely or stop indulging in your own hypocrisy.
Oh, I see.
The foreign gov'ts allowed their people to be abused, but it was Western companies who were the ones taking advantage. Because obviously Western companies are more powerful than foreign gov'ts and have a moral obligation to protect employees, whereas foreign gov'ts have no obligation to their own people.
Riiiight.