You'd think that the right to take your own life, to alter your own brain chemistry, and to sell your body for money couldn't be legislated either, but guess what?
According to Jon, the kids were all in the 15 year old age range. I don't know about anyone else, but at the age of 15 I was well versed in the martial arts and typically armed wherever I went. My friends were very much the same. I don't see a gang of 5 15 year olds having too much trouble with one man...in a crowded movie theater...when their mother watched them go in, and would be waiting when they came out. Every situation is different. Had these children been 10, there would be a problem.
Airing this episode, which apparently has nothing to do with kids shooting other kids (and therefore nothing to do with what happened in Colorado), is not insensitive or designed to throw anything in anybody's face. It is entertainment pure and simple. All the network need have done was to show a little blurb at the beginning of the episode saying that it was filmed before all of this tragedy occurred and was not inspired by it, blah, blah, blah, and that if you were not prepared to deal with it DON'T WATCH IT!!!! America is long on protecting us from what is perceived as "dangerous information/entertainment" and short on personal responsibility. Don't take away my ability to watch one of my favorite TV show's just because some people have a hard time dealing with life. I for one am sick and tired of having to suffer and pay for the fact that a small but VERY vocal minority are less mentally/emotionally well-adjusted than I am. I'm sorry, but I don't feel that you are helping these people by helping them hide from the world. Sorry people, bad things happen and life is sometimes horribly unfair. One piece of entertainment kept off the air is not going to change that. If you can't deal with it, tune out, don't spoil it for everyone else.
The geeks here are merely expressing their opinions and relating stories of the abuse that they have had to suffer. I don't think you will find a single one of the people who have told their stories here going to school the next day and picking on the people that they revile (and revile for good reasons I might add). Geeks are not doing unto others what has been done to them, they are merely speaking out against vicious, cruel, and unfair treatment.
As for outcasts making themselves outcasts, that is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard! Most of the people here would love to fit in and have friends. I know I would have when I was in High School. Unfortunately I didn't have the money to always have new, cool clothes or a great car. I also was not athletic or attractive. I also was not willing to deny my interests and hide my intelligence. I knew smart people in High School who did that and it made me sick as well as making them miserable. The fact is that a lot of people out their don't have any choice about being different. And saying that it is their own fault that they are rejected for being poor or ugly or sickly or shy or intelligent is a bunch of crap. I never had the choice to be popular and have friends because I was never given the choice. I did not try to be anti-social, and I was nice to everyone until they failed to be nice to me. I made an effort to get along and was ridiculed for it and had my efforts thrown back in my face.
I am not persecuting the people who did horrible things to me in High School. I am not gloating over the fact that I am now a lot more successful than most of them. I am merely happy to have recovered as well as I have from the torture that I had to endure. Most of the people who have posted here are the same as I am. They are not abusing people, they are condemning them for THEIR ACTIONS!!!! This may sound like a bad thing, but in some way it is just. When we were condemned in High School, it was for nothing more than the perceptions of people who never even tried to find out who we were.
Maybe it is wrong to condemn anyone, but I have to feel that I am a lot more justified in doing it than any of those who did it to me were.
I think the golden rule is a fine measure for morality for the majority of people in the world. Why don't I kill people? Because I wouldn't like it if someone else killed me. This has nothing to do with god. Do you believe it is wrong to kill under any circumstances? Would you let someone else kill you or your loved ones if the only way you could prevent it would be to kill that person instead? If you say no, then your "ultimate morality" is now gone with reference to the statement that it is wrong to kill. If there are circumstances that justify killing, who decides what they are? God certainly hasn't given us any help in the gray areas.
Nothing wrong with institutionalised religion..
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The real problem is that god didn't say anything in the bible. God didn't write a single word of it. Not once did god lay pen to paper and give us the wisdom of his omniscience. Where as you recommend reading the bible, I would recommend also reading the koran, the tao te ching, the bhagavad gita, the book of mormon, dianetics, the many sutras of the buddhists, the eddas, and many other religious texts and trying to find out which one of them had god in it. My opinion is that they all do or none of them do, that is for you to decide.
that taking your example of the chicken and the egg, nobody has ever seen the chicken or the egg. They do not exist outside of your personal belief, and you cannot show them to anybody. The problem with religion is that it is anti-logical at it's very core. If I were a religious person, I would ask god why he punished with the curse of intelligence, since it causes me to question his works and puts me surely on the road to damnation.
that most of the christians posting here are the kind that I would consider christian, but that most churches would not. This is refreshing and an entirely good thing, as I have met too many of the other kind.
Fine...I'll take whatever spam somebody wants to send me...as long as they are legally required to reimburse my/my provider's cost for the transmission and delivery of that mail...I could be raking in the bucks by the end of the year:)
Darn!!! Guess I gotta go get rid of all my chlorine bleach and take that nasty gasoline out of my car:) After, these are two substances that are much too dangerous to let the average person have access to...what a crock!
Well then...I suppose the tobacco companies should go to court to get back the right to air their free speech on television. After all, if advertising is covered under the first amendment, then they could sue the crap out of the government for violating their civil rights all these years with that TV ad ban. The issue here is not free speech, the issue is making private corporations and individuals who have expressed no interest in your speech propagate it at their own cost. If you want to go sign up for junkmail lists, be my guest but count me out.
When was the last time you were forced to spend time and bandwidth downloading it because you can't decide which email you want to pull down from the server until it gets there?
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You'd think that the right to take your own life, to alter your own brain chemistry, and to sell your body for money couldn't be legislated either, but guess what?
and search for the entire string? Because when I did it yielded 0 results...
A lot of people here missed the tongue firmly planted in Roblimo's cheek!
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This is hilarious! And about as valid as most statistical surveys
According to Jon, the kids were all in the 15 year old age range. I don't know about anyone else, but at the age of 15 I was well versed in the martial arts and typically armed wherever I went. My friends were very much the same. I don't see a gang of 5 15 year olds having too much trouble with one man...in a crowded movie theater...when their mother watched them go in, and would be waiting when they came out. Every situation is different. Had these children been 10, there would be a problem.
Airing this episode, which apparently has nothing to do with kids shooting other kids (and therefore nothing to do with what happened in Colorado), is not insensitive or designed to throw anything in anybody's face. It is entertainment pure and simple. All the network need have done was to show a little blurb at the beginning of the episode saying that it was filmed before all of this tragedy occurred and was not inspired by it, blah, blah, blah, and that if you were not prepared to deal with it DON'T WATCH IT!!!! America is long on protecting us from what is perceived as "dangerous information/entertainment" and short on personal responsibility. Don't take away my ability to watch one of my favorite TV show's just because some people have a hard time dealing with life. I for one am sick and tired of having to suffer and pay for the fact that a small but VERY vocal minority are less mentally/emotionally well-adjusted than I am. I'm sorry, but I don't feel that you are helping these people by helping them hide from the world. Sorry people, bad things happen and life is sometimes horribly unfair. One piece of entertainment kept off the air is not going to change that. If you can't deal with it, tune out, don't spoil it for everyone else.
The geeks here are merely expressing their opinions and relating stories of the abuse that they have had to suffer. I don't think you will find a single one of the people who have told their stories here going to school the next day and picking on the people that they revile (and revile for good reasons I might add). Geeks are not doing unto others what has been done to them, they are merely speaking out against vicious, cruel, and unfair treatment.
As for outcasts making themselves outcasts, that is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard! Most of the people here would love to fit in and have friends. I know I would have when I was in High School. Unfortunately I didn't have the money to always have new, cool clothes or a great car. I also was not athletic or attractive. I also was not willing to deny my interests and hide my intelligence. I knew smart people in High School who did that and it made me sick as well as making them miserable. The fact is that a lot of people out their don't have any choice about being different. And saying that it is their own fault that they are rejected for being poor or ugly or sickly or shy or intelligent is a bunch of crap. I never had the choice to be popular and have friends because I was never given the choice. I did not try to be anti-social, and I was nice to everyone until they failed to be nice to me. I made an effort to get along and was ridiculed for it and had my efforts thrown back in my face.
I am not persecuting the people who did horrible things to me in High School. I am not gloating over the fact that I am now a lot more successful than most of them. I am merely happy to have recovered as well as I have from the torture that I had to endure. Most of the people who have posted here are the same as I am. They are not abusing people, they are condemning them for THEIR ACTIONS!!!! This may sound like a bad thing, but in some way it is just. When we were condemned in High School, it was for nothing more than the perceptions of people who never even tried to find out who we were.
Maybe it is wrong to condemn anyone, but I have to feel that I am a lot more justified in doing it than any of those who did it to me were.
I think the golden rule is a fine measure for morality for the majority of people in the world. Why don't I kill people? Because I wouldn't like it if someone else killed me. This has nothing to do with god. Do you believe it is wrong to kill under any circumstances? Would you let someone else kill you or your loved ones if the only way you could prevent it would be to kill that person instead? If you say no, then your "ultimate morality" is now gone with reference to the statement that it is wrong to kill. If there are circumstances that justify killing, who decides what they are? God certainly hasn't given us any help in the gray areas.
The real problem is that god didn't say anything in the bible. God didn't write a single word of it. Not once did god lay pen to paper and give us the wisdom of his omniscience. Where as you recommend reading the bible, I would recommend also reading the koran, the tao te ching, the bhagavad gita, the book of mormon, dianetics, the many sutras of the buddhists, the eddas, and many other religious texts and trying to find out which one of them had god in it. My opinion is that they all do or none of them do, that is for you to decide.
that taking your example of the chicken and the egg, nobody has ever seen the chicken or the egg. They do not exist outside of your personal belief, and you cannot show them to anybody. The problem with religion is that it is anti-logical at it's very core. If I were a religious person, I would ask god why he punished with the curse of intelligence, since it causes me to question his works and puts me surely on the road to damnation.
you'll be trying to tell me that science is not a religion! Sheesh!
that most of the christians posting here are the kind that I would consider christian, but that most churches would not. This is refreshing and an entirely good thing, as I have met too many of the other kind.
Fine...I'll take whatever spam somebody wants to send me...as long as they are legally required to reimburse my/my provider's cost for the transmission and delivery of that mail...I could be raking in the bucks by the end of the year :)
Darn!!! Guess I gotta go get rid of all my chlorine bleach and take that nasty gasoline out of my car :) After, these are two substances that are much too dangerous to let the average person have access to...what a crock!
Well then...I suppose the tobacco companies should go to court to get back the right to air their free speech on television. After all, if advertising is covered under the first amendment, then they could sue the crap out of the government for violating their civil rights all these years with that TV ad ban. The issue here is not free speech, the issue is making private corporations and individuals who have expressed no interest in your speech propagate it at their own cost. If you want to go sign up for junkmail lists, be my guest but count me out.
When was the last time you were forced to spend time and bandwidth downloading it because you can't decide which email you want to pull down from the server until it gets there?