So, I guess you can't complain about anything, then. Your wife was just murdered? Please! You don't need her. You can live without her. Stop complaining.
Sometimes voicing dissent or complaining is both fun (for some) and useful (depending on who you voice it to). There will likely always be a situation that is worse than the one you're currently in, but that doesn't mean that you can't complain.
That's the difference between him and some guy who taught himself to play guitar.
That's the difference between him and some guy who doesn't know anything. His self-taught status is irrelevant as long as he learned the right things (information comes from somewhere, after all).
As long as you didn't really commit any of the crimes, yes. The speech doesn't hurt anyone unless they let themselves be hurt.
Slander, libel, etc. To me, all of these laws are idiotic excuses to censor things that one finds offensive/doesn't like. The real problem, in my opinion, is that people believe everything they hear and many humans seem oversensitive.
And... I think it's still idiotic no matter who is able to do it. "Company X is doing it too!" isn't a good way to defense the practice, in my opinion.
Yeah. That's a lot of effort to have to go through just because they send take down notices around seemingly at random. How about we just make it more difficult for them, the ones who are trying to inconvenience others, to take down the videos? It seems too easy right now (website operators are taking things down without question in fear of being sued if they don't), and there's too much of a chance for false alarms. That's what I think needs fixing.
please stop using the straw-man, it doesn't get anywhere, its a fallacy, move on
What straw man? I didn't say that anyone claimed to believe in a magical moral fairy. It's just one of the 'explanations' that I use for absolute morality. Because, really, any absolute morality is going to seem like a magical moral fairy to me.
I believe that morality exists inherent to consciousness
What? I don't understand what you mean. It seems pretty clear to me that different people have different morals (such as people who enjoy killing others or find certain little things right/wrong). Even if it was coded into our genes somehow, I don't see how that would mean there is an absolutely 'correct' set of morals. Honestly, proving such a thing seems difficult. I probably just don't understand what you meant.
As I said afterwards, what I really want is AI that reacts like a normal human would. They could simulate all of that (I mean, if we're at the point where we have enough technology to have sentient AIs, I don't think this would be too out of the question).
But it is morally wrong.
According to who? I don't believe in magical moral fairies.
Any AI of sufficient intelligence and consciousness is for all intents and purposes a person.
Personally, I don't really care about that. I don't mind it being simulated, but if I had the power of a god, I'd say I would definitely do everything for my own entertainment.
Because there won't always be other players. Because your player will obviously have an unfair advantage (being the main character and all). Or perhaps you'll be at a disadvantage. MMORPGs are typically a bit balanced, right?
What if you want the NPCs to believe that they're real humans living in a village in the game? What if you want them to react appropriately when you come to slaughter the village? In other words, make them believe they're not in a game.
If you're locking up sentient AIs to play with, that's slavery.
Actually, I suppose all I'm asking for is decent, realistic AI. They don't actually have to be sentient now that I think about it. But they should at least appear to be.
It is difficult to look at these things objectively when you are involved in the activity-- which I assume you are. As an outsider, these killing "games" are pretty f'ing sick.
I disagree with that, too, by the way. That's possibly making the entire nation lose an informed voter (criminals don't have to be idiots, after all).
But, as I said in my other comment, I still don't understand the ban of unrelated services. A deterrent for what? Wanting to mess with the software? Or actually cheating? A ban from the game server should be all that is necessary if that is what you truly want, yes?
"I don't give a rats ass if I get caught cheating and banned from Black Ops
So he gets banned and maybe causes a minor inconvenience for some players. Life goes on.
banning them from those games doesn't carry any weight
But it does remove them from that game. Good enough for me.
Also, I'm not American, I don't live in a constant state of terrorism/pedophilia hysteria.
Cheaters, terrorists, pedophiles, copyright infringers... it's all the same garbage to me.
I guess I'm just against banning something entirely because a few people might 'abuse' something. I don't want cars, knives, or guns banned, either. As you said, we probably won't ever agree.
Why unrelated services? The game servers are the only thing I understand. If you're worried about someone bypassing that, then they could do that for all the other bans as well. If you don't think they can, then why the ban on unrelated services? Game servers should suffice (these are only potential cheaters, remember?).
All I can say is that I hope your methods are never used.
Really? A 'cheat-free' (it wouldn't be) environment is so important to you that you'd want them banning completely unrelated services for people with a custom firmware? If it's cheats you're worried about, why not just ban them from the game servers?
I guess it's your opinion, but why is cheating such a big deal that they can't just moderate their own servers and instead must ban everyone with custom firmware?
Cheaters then take the combined knowledge and develop cheats for popular games, ruining the online environment.
"Ruining the online environment"? Really? I've played games with a few cheaters. I don't cheat myself, but honestly, I couldn't care less. I guess you do, but it makes no sense to me. I find it as strange as the pedophile/terrorist hysteria. "Oh, no! There might be a cheater here! The game is ruined! Ban everything! I don't care if that guy with custom firmware isn't cheating! Ban him so that people will play how I want them to!"
Yes, and my question is, why would you think they should lose access to all of that? Why is custom firmware so bad that they lose access to unrelated services? I don't get it.
I'd say not. For one thing, I don't believe in objective opinions. Second of all, the other countries would (probably in most people's eyes) only be better than the other ones, but still not good.
Yeah, given that the situation in the USA is that I have free speech, freedom of movement, freedom to vote for whoever I want, freedom to cruise the Internet, freedom to read foreign press, freedom to observe my government at work, yes
I don't care for the whole pedophile and terrorist hysteria. The TSA, the Patriot act, the (in my opinion) ridiculous copyright laws, etc. I'd say many of our freedoms are under constant assault.
As for free speech, just look to free speech zones (and, although generally not regarded as a bad thing, certain speech such as slander is punishable).
objectively good
That was supposed to be sarcastic. I don't see how something could possibly be "objectively" good.
Or to put it another way, point me to a spot on this planet where the situation is significantly better.
Well, since "better" is subjective, I could point you to practically any country on the planet.
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So, I guess you can't complain about anything, then. Your wife was just murdered? Please! You don't need her. You can live without her. Stop complaining.
Sometimes voicing dissent or complaining is both fun (for some) and useful (depending on who you voice it to). There will likely always be a situation that is worse than the one you're currently in, but that doesn't mean that you can't complain.
unimportant things
Right. Now if only someone could define what that means...
That's the difference between him and some guy who taught himself to play guitar.
That's the difference between him and some guy who doesn't know anything. His self-taught status is irrelevant as long as he learned the right things (information comes from somewhere, after all).
As long as you didn't really commit any of the crimes, yes. The speech doesn't hurt anyone unless they let themselves be hurt.
Slander, libel, etc. To me, all of these laws are idiotic excuses to censor things that one finds offensive/doesn't like. The real problem, in my opinion, is that people believe everything they hear and many humans seem oversensitive.
I call bulslhit.
Too bad for you, then.
Ah. I see. The "And?" in your subject made me think that you were saying that it didn't matter.
And... I think it's still idiotic no matter who is able to do it. "Company X is doing it too!" isn't a good way to defense the practice, in my opinion.
Yeah. That's a lot of effort to have to go through just because they send take down notices around seemingly at random. How about we just make it more difficult for them, the ones who are trying to inconvenience others, to take down the videos? It seems too easy right now (website operators are taking things down without question in fear of being sued if they don't), and there's too much of a chance for false alarms. That's what I think needs fixing.
Why do they have to go to such lengths just to ensure that their videos don't get taken down seemingly at random? I'd say something is wrong.
What, you expect me to read the article/bill!? Now that's just asking for too much. It's difficult enough to read the title!
please stop using the straw-man, it doesn't get anywhere, its a fallacy, move on
What straw man? I didn't say that anyone claimed to believe in a magical moral fairy. It's just one of the 'explanations' that I use for absolute morality. Because, really, any absolute morality is going to seem like a magical moral fairy to me.
I believe that morality exists inherent to consciousness
What? I don't understand what you mean. It seems pretty clear to me that different people have different morals (such as people who enjoy killing others or find certain little things right/wrong). Even if it was coded into our genes somehow, I don't see how that would mean there is an absolutely 'correct' set of morals. Honestly, proving such a thing seems difficult. I probably just don't understand what you meant.
If you had the power to, you would enslave an entire population purely for your own entertainment?
I don't know exactly what I'd do, but I'd certainly use such powers for my own entertainment.
Do you believe in morality or ethics at all?
Of course I do. I believe in individual morality (moral relativism).
As an atheist, I find it difficult to believe in magical moral fairies.
You're confusing things.
As I said afterwards, what I really want is AI that reacts like a normal human would. They could simulate all of that (I mean, if we're at the point where we have enough technology to have sentient AIs, I don't think this would be too out of the question).
But it is morally wrong.
According to who? I don't believe in magical moral fairies.
Any AI of sufficient intelligence and consciousness is for all intents and purposes a person.
Personally, I don't really care about that. I don't mind it being simulated, but if I had the power of a god, I'd say I would definitely do everything for my own entertainment.
At that point, why not just make an MMORPG?
Because there won't always be other players. Because your player will obviously have an unfair advantage (being the main character and all). Or perhaps you'll be at a disadvantage. MMORPGs are typically a bit balanced, right?
What if you want the NPCs to believe that they're real humans living in a village in the game? What if you want them to react appropriately when you come to slaughter the village? In other words, make them believe they're not in a game.
If you're locking up sentient AIs to play with, that's slavery.
Actually, I suppose all I'm asking for is decent, realistic AI. They don't actually have to be sentient now that I think about it. But they should at least appear to be.
I guess that answers all of my questions, then.
I want to permanently remove the cause
Once people start modifying the firmware, that may become difficult.
But there's no reason we'd make those AI play videogames.
Why not? Imagine an entire game world of sentient AIs. You could do whatever you wanted. I think it would be quite fun.
Respawning NPCs that will never die sounds like an annoyance for most types of games.
Simulated killing for pleasure is still sick.
Why?
It is difficult to look at these things objectively when you are involved in the activity-- which I assume you are. As an outsider, these killing "games" are pretty f'ing sick.
What about other outsiders who... don't care?
Why do most nations not allow criminals to vote?
I disagree with that, too, by the way. That's possibly making the entire nation lose an informed voter (criminals don't have to be idiots, after all).
But, as I said in my other comment, I still don't understand the ban of unrelated services. A deterrent for what? Wanting to mess with the software? Or actually cheating? A ban from the game server should be all that is necessary if that is what you truly want, yes?
"I don't give a rats ass if I get caught cheating and banned from Black Ops
So he gets banned and maybe causes a minor inconvenience for some players. Life goes on.
banning them from those games doesn't carry any weight
But it does remove them from that game. Good enough for me.
Also, I'm not American, I don't live in a constant state of terrorism/pedophilia hysteria.
Cheaters, terrorists, pedophiles, copyright infringers... it's all the same garbage to me.
I guess I'm just against banning something entirely because a few people might 'abuse' something. I don't want cars, knives, or guns banned, either. As you said, we probably won't ever agree.
Why unrelated services? The game servers are the only thing I understand. If you're worried about someone bypassing that, then they could do that for all the other bans as well. If you don't think they can, then why the ban on unrelated services? Game servers should suffice (these are only potential cheaters, remember?).
All I can say is that I hope your methods are never used.
Even if real people stop killing one another, I doubt it would stop.
Really? A 'cheat-free' (it wouldn't be) environment is so important to you that you'd want them banning completely unrelated services for people with a custom firmware? If it's cheats you're worried about, why not just ban them from the game servers?
I guess it's your opinion, but why is cheating such a big deal that they can't just moderate their own servers and instead must ban everyone with custom firmware?
Cheaters then take the combined knowledge and develop cheats for popular games, ruining the online environment.
"Ruining the online environment"? Really? I've played games with a few cheaters. I don't cheat myself, but honestly, I couldn't care less. I guess you do, but it makes no sense to me. I find it as strange as the pedophile/terrorist hysteria. "Oh, no! There might be a cheater here! The game is ruined! Ban everything! I don't care if that guy with custom firmware isn't cheating! Ban him so that people will play how I want them to!"
Yes, and my question is, why would you think they should lose access to all of that? Why is custom firmware so bad that they lose access to unrelated services? I don't get it.
To me, that's only slightly better.
I'd say not. For one thing, I don't believe in objective opinions. Second of all, the other countries would (probably in most people's eyes) only be better than the other ones, but still not good.
Maybe the US should just say, "appeal to hypocrisy."
Yeah, given that the situation in the USA is that I have free speech, freedom of movement, freedom to vote for whoever I want, freedom to cruise the Internet, freedom to read foreign press, freedom to observe my government at work, yes
I don't care for the whole pedophile and terrorist hysteria. The TSA, the Patriot act, the (in my opinion) ridiculous copyright laws, etc. I'd say many of our freedoms are under constant assault.
As for free speech, just look to free speech zones (and, although generally not regarded as a bad thing, certain speech such as slander is punishable).
objectively good
That was supposed to be sarcastic. I don't see how something could possibly be "objectively" good.
Or to put it another way, point me to a spot on this planet where the situation is significantly better.
Well, since "better" is subjective, I could point you to practically any country on the planet.