Alternative reality fallacy. People are easily influenced by words.
Did I say otherwise, or did I say that they shouldn't be?
You're essentially saying that the problem is that we've evolved wrongly and that our brains should be perfectly rational (and by your definition of rational). Who will strike the first blow to eliminate this imperfect species and all similarly behaving primates, and replace it with yours?
I'm saying that I believe that people should realize how unimportant and petty everything truly is, especially the opinions of others who can only change something about you if you let it. Analyze what they are saying logically, not emotionally. Do they have a point? Do you have a fault that you wish to change? If not, it can be ignored quite easily. They will die and are nothing, as is our pointless society. That is why you have no time to be pointlessly offended or saddened by mere words or opinions.
Perhaps the "weak-minded" guy is the one who stands alone and has to constantly fight the group?
Standing alone? Where did you get this idea? There is no fight. There is no matter of grave importance. If they are saying nothing logical, then ignore them.
Most people, but not all. I am trying to get people to realize how pointless being offended by such petty things truly is. Getting offended will do them no good.
No matter how much we know we should not care about what others have to say about us, their words have an impact.
Such an absolute statement, but I believe you to be incorrect. When you realize that everything dies, everything turns to dust, that you are nothing and getting offended or sad only worsens the situation, it is possible to move beyond such irrational behavior.
Neither (I believe). I was not attack certain groups of people, or anyone at all. Rather, I was saying that anyone that acts in such a way should realize how pointless and petty everything truly is. Again, getting offended or sad by mere words changes nothing.
Such a subtle way of stating something in a way that appears that you have absolute knowledge. No, it is not impossible. It just requires that you realize how petty everything truly is. Someone's opinion of you does not matter. They will die eventually and turn to dust. Getting offended or sad changes nothing.
You mixed up a lot of people with everyone.
We are social primates, our entire concept of self is centered around the interactions we have with those around us.
And? Being "social primates" does not mean we must get so easily offended.
In theory, words are just words. In practice, words can be emotional/psychological payloads.
For many people, yes. But that is why I am speaking out against such behavior.
I've only met two types of people who believe words don't hurt. The first is a person who has never been on the receiving end of unkind words. The second is someone who has been deeply hurt by unkind words, but puts on a strong front, claiming "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never harm me."
What about the third type who believes that every single existence is completely pointless and that getting offended or sad by mere words does absolutely no good?
It is a "load of crap" to you perhaps. But that is only because you failed to realize its true meaning. Getting offended by anything, no matter what it is, will solve absolutely nothing. You failed to analyze the situation in a logical manner to see how petty these people and their opinions truly were.
Yes, most humans are. This is the behavior that I am speaking out against.
That strategy does not work against prolonged attack.
It works against any kind of attack depending on how strong your mind is. I don't care about advertisements or what other people believe. Everything is petty and pointless, so getting worked up over such things is pointless as well (not to mention that it does absolutely no good).
Really? But you have to deal with it, do you not? No more precious administrators to protect you. A boss at most, but they won't do much unless things get physical.
The article is about protecting children, who haven't learned yet the true maturity necessary to understand "sticks and stones," instead committing suicide because they get called names on social networking sites.
So it's a typical "protect the child" argument? That does not change my opinion in the least. Yes, some people that do not understand how petty humans and the world are will resort to suicide because of mere words, but placing them into a bubble and filtering out other's speech is both a waste of time and it is illogical. They are hurt because they let themselves be hurt. There is no use saving such people.
These weak-minded people give the vocal ones power, it shouldn't happen but it does and denying this fact does not change it and instead actually contributes to the problem.
I didn't deny it happens. If the weak-minded people were able to intelligently utilize logic in making their decisions, such things would not happen. It is entirely their own fault that they are so affected by words.
Now as to the parent poster at the top, sorry but you have to do something about it when Big Billy starts to bully Tiny Tim and letting them duke it out doesn't do much good in real life when the fighters aren't even (Hint: many times the bullies pick targets due to that fact)
If they're using physical violence, yes. Otherwise, it's pointless.
And say what you want, words can and do hurt when you hear it enough, just look at many abused women, they start hearing they are trash enough, they start to believe it at some level without even realizing it, regardless of how untrue it might be.
How strong are their minds, do you think? Not very strong. Even if they were trash, what does it matter? Getting angry or sad about it won't change anything. Who cares about such better things? People that don't understand how small everything truly is.
I was once bullied as well, but then I came to these conclusions. I didn't let mere words affect me anymore. I have succeeded in this regard, and others can do the same.
Only if you care about such petty things. Again, getting angry or sad about it is completely pointless. Their opinions of you are completely irrelevant. Nothing has importance in this universe (or at least, there's no evidence that anything does).
And? What if I was offended by it? Would that make my point null and void? No. People should not be so easily affected by words. The fact that you think I might not be a very good role model for this behavior is irrelevant.
That said, I do not believe I would be affected by such petty things. Why would I be? They can only hurt me if I let them, in which case that is my fault.
No, you overestimate the typical human. The only reason that mere words affect them so deeply is because they are too emotional and irrational, I believe.
Words can raise or lower your standing in society and within the social structure.
And yet getting angry or sad about it changes nothing. Analyze the situation logically, not emotionally.
I'm not assuming maturity in anyone. The vast majority of people in general that I meet do not know how to control their emotions. They get angry, sad, or offended by mere words, lose control of their anger and scream ad hominems at one another, etc.
Their brains work differently.
Yes, but treating them as an entirely different unintelligent species is both arrogant and blatantly incorrect. They can still understand logic (most of them can, anyway). Like with everything, there will always be a few that are not worth saving.
By analyzing what he is saying and either accepting or dismissing it based on its truth value (and recognizing mere opinions). Do not be so easily influenced by words.
Most verbal bullies aren't powerful because they call you names.
They're not powerful at all. It's just that others are weak-minded. Also, many weak-minded people are affected emotionally (in the negative sense) by words, which was partly was I was speaking of.
They're powerful because they influence others' behaviour toward their victim.
This is also what I was speaking of. This shouldn't happen, obviously. If it does, too bad. People shouldn't be so easily influenced (emotionally or otherwise) by mere words.
If you take aside the grunt who throws the punch, you're not solving the problem - you're removing a symptom.
You're ridding yourself of weak-minded people. They are the only problem.
Or, alternatively, how about we teach them about how pointless and petty such things truly are? How about we teach them that words cannot hurt them unless they let themselves be 'hurt' by the words? Someone else's opinion of you matters little (no matter the amount of people that feel the same) and cannot actually harm you (unless they resorted to physical violence, in which case I would agree that intervention would be necessary). What we are doing is essentially placing them into a bubble that filters out everything that they don't wish to hear. They will never learn how pointless being offended by such things truly is, and when they are forced to leave that bubble, they will be lost. This is completely pointless and counterproductive if your goal is to raise a generation of free-thinking people who utilize logic in making their decisions, but from decisions such as this, I'm guessing that that isn't the goal at all.
I want to put an early Godwin in this thread: Hitler happened. The nastiest people don't hurt anyone directly. They merely influence people's opinion.
The US has the most powerful propaganda machine on the planet. Do you discount this entirely? Is the brain not just another organ which can be trained in a particular direction?
What does that have to do with not being offended by mere words and responding to the situation logically?
I do agree with your second point, though. I believe that initiating violence is idiotic.
It did? It seems completely right for me. You just need to realize how pointless and petty everything truly is. Words cannot hurt you. They can only hurt you if you let them hurt you. This does not apply to physical violence.
This could be a way for them to acquire more money and appear to be reasonable (by pretending that certain types of data are interfering with their network).
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Alternative reality fallacy. People are easily influenced by words.
Did I say otherwise, or did I say that they shouldn't be?
You're essentially saying that the problem is that we've evolved wrongly and that our brains should be perfectly rational (and by your definition of rational). Who will strike the first blow to eliminate this imperfect species and all similarly behaving primates, and replace it with yours?
I'm saying that I believe that people should realize how unimportant and petty everything truly is, especially the opinions of others who can only change something about you if you let it. Analyze what they are saying logically, not emotionally. Do they have a point? Do you have a fault that you wish to change? If not, it can be ignored quite easily. They will die and are nothing, as is our pointless society. That is why you have no time to be pointlessly offended or saddened by mere words or opinions.
Perhaps the "weak-minded" guy is the one who stands alone and has to constantly fight the group?
Standing alone? Where did you get this idea? There is no fight. There is no matter of grave importance. If they are saying nothing logical, then ignore them.
Words do hurt.
Most people, but not all. I am trying to get people to realize how pointless being offended by such petty things truly is. Getting offended will do them no good.
No matter how much we know we should not care about what others have to say about us, their words have an impact.
Such an absolute statement, but I believe you to be incorrect. When you realize that everything dies, everything turns to dust, that you are nothing and getting offended or sad only worsens the situation, it is possible to move beyond such irrational behavior.
Neither (I believe). I was not attack certain groups of people, or anyone at all. Rather, I was saying that anyone that acts in such a way should realize how pointless and petty everything truly is. Again, getting offended or sad by mere words changes nothing.
but in reality this is impossible.
Such a subtle way of stating something in a way that appears that you have absolute knowledge. No, it is not impossible. It just requires that you realize how petty everything truly is. Someone's opinion of you does not matter. They will die eventually and turn to dust. Getting offended or sad changes nothing.
You mixed up a lot of people with everyone.
We are social primates, our entire concept of self is centered around the interactions we have with those around us.
And? Being "social primates" does not mean we must get so easily offended.
In theory, words are just words. In practice, words can be emotional/psychological payloads.
For many people, yes. But that is why I am speaking out against such behavior.
I've only met two types of people who believe words don't hurt. The first is a person who has never been on the receiving end of unkind words. The second is someone who has been deeply hurt by unkind words, but puts on a strong front, claiming "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never harm me."
What about the third type who believes that every single existence is completely pointless and that getting offended or sad by mere words does absolutely no good?
It is a "load of crap" to you perhaps. But that is only because you failed to realize its true meaning. Getting offended by anything, no matter what it is, will solve absolutely nothing. You failed to analyze the situation in a logical manner to see how petty these people and their opinions truly were.
Yes, most humans are. This is the behavior that I am speaking out against.
That strategy does not work against prolonged attack.
It works against any kind of attack depending on how strong your mind is. I don't care about advertisements or what other people believe. Everything is petty and pointless, so getting worked up over such things is pointless as well (not to mention that it does absolutely no good).
Really? But you have to deal with it, do you not? No more precious administrators to protect you. A boss at most, but they won't do much unless things get physical.
The article is about protecting children, who haven't learned yet the true maturity necessary to understand "sticks and stones," instead committing suicide because they get called names on social networking sites.
So it's a typical "protect the child" argument? That does not change my opinion in the least. Yes, some people that do not understand how petty humans and the world are will resort to suicide because of mere words, but placing them into a bubble and filtering out other's speech is both a waste of time and it is illogical. They are hurt because they let themselves be hurt. There is no use saving such people.
These weak-minded people give the vocal ones power, it shouldn't happen but it does and denying this fact does not change it and instead actually contributes to the problem.
I didn't deny it happens. If the weak-minded people were able to intelligently utilize logic in making their decisions, such things would not happen. It is entirely their own fault that they are so affected by words.
Now as to the parent poster at the top, sorry but you have to do something about it when Big Billy starts to bully Tiny Tim and letting them duke it out doesn't do much good in real life when the fighters aren't even (Hint: many times the bullies pick targets due to that fact)
If they're using physical violence, yes. Otherwise, it's pointless.
And say what you want, words can and do hurt when you hear it enough, just look at many abused women, they start hearing they are trash enough, they start to believe it at some level without even realizing it, regardless of how untrue it might be.
How strong are their minds, do you think? Not very strong. Even if they were trash, what does it matter? Getting angry or sad about it won't change anything. Who cares about such better things? People that don't understand how small everything truly is.
I was once bullied as well, but then I came to these conclusions. I didn't let mere words affect me anymore. I have succeeded in this regard, and others can do the same.
Only if you care about such petty things. Again, getting angry or sad about it is completely pointless. Their opinions of you are completely irrelevant. Nothing has importance in this universe (or at least, there's no evidence that anything does).
And? What if I was offended by it? Would that make my point null and void? No. People should not be so easily affected by words. The fact that you think I might not be a very good role model for this behavior is irrelevant.
That said, I do not believe I would be affected by such petty things. Why would I be? They can only hurt me if I let them, in which case that is my fault.
You underestimate the power words can have.
No, you overestimate the typical human. The only reason that mere words affect them so deeply is because they are too emotional and irrational, I believe.
Words can raise or lower your standing in society and within the social structure.
And yet getting angry or sad about it changes nothing. Analyze the situation logically, not emotionally.
As I said many times, people who are affected by words that easily are weak minded at that current point in time.
No, people that easily affected by mere words are weak minded at that current point in time.
They have since stopped throttling bittorrent (I believe that it was the FCC that made them stop).
I'm not assuming maturity in anyone. The vast majority of people in general that I meet do not know how to control their emotions. They get angry, sad, or offended by mere words, lose control of their anger and scream ad hominems at one another, etc.
Their brains work differently.
Yes, but treating them as an entirely different unintelligent species is both arrogant and blatantly incorrect. They can still understand logic (most of them can, anyway). Like with everything, there will always be a few that are not worth saving.
Maturity comes with time not platitudes.
For some.
How do you logically respond to Hitler?
By analyzing what he is saying and either accepting or dismissing it based on its truth value (and recognizing mere opinions). Do not be so easily influenced by words.
Most verbal bullies aren't powerful because they call you names.
They're not powerful at all. It's just that others are weak-minded. Also, many weak-minded people are affected emotionally (in the negative sense) by words, which was partly was I was speaking of.
They're powerful because they influence others' behaviour toward their victim.
This is also what I was speaking of. This shouldn't happen, obviously. If it does, too bad. People shouldn't be so easily influenced (emotionally or otherwise) by mere words.
If you take aside the grunt who throws the punch, you're not solving the problem - you're removing a symptom.
You're ridding yourself of weak-minded people. They are the only problem.
Joking aside, I hear what you're saying, but TFA points out the suicide rate among gay and lesbian students is 4 times that of straight students.
People with minds that weak typically do fall quite early. Perhaps it's because of the reasons I listed in my other comment?
Children don't have the right to free speech, only adults do.
Where in the first amendment does it state that?
Or, alternatively, how about we teach them about how pointless and petty such things truly are? How about we teach them that words cannot hurt them unless they let themselves be 'hurt' by the words? Someone else's opinion of you matters little (no matter the amount of people that feel the same) and cannot actually harm you (unless they resorted to physical violence, in which case I would agree that intervention would be necessary). What we are doing is essentially placing them into a bubble that filters out everything that they don't wish to hear. They will never learn how pointless being offended by such things truly is, and when they are forced to leave that bubble, they will be lost. This is completely pointless and counterproductive if your goal is to raise a generation of free-thinking people who utilize logic in making their decisions, but from decisions such as this, I'm guessing that that isn't the goal at all.
I want to put an early Godwin in this thread: Hitler happened. The nastiest people don't hurt anyone directly. They merely influence people's opinion.
The US has the most powerful propaganda machine on the planet. Do you discount this entirely? Is the brain not just another organ which can be trained in a particular direction?
What does that have to do with not being offended by mere words and responding to the situation logically?
I do agree with your second point, though. I believe that initiating violence is idiotic.
It did? It seems completely right for me. You just need to realize how pointless and petty everything truly is. Words cannot hurt you. They can only hurt you if you let them hurt you. This does not apply to physical violence.
When companies are adding caps etc it is because they believe it will decrease costs.
They didn't add a cap. They completely throttled the bittorrent protocol.
This could be a way for them to acquire more money and appear to be reasonable (by pretending that certain types of data are interfering with their network).