"In other words, you think Blizzard is a shitty company for giving their customers what they actually want"
They had a majority vote that included all of their paying customers, or something? If not, then I don't see what you're basing this information off of. Did you survey every single one of their customers and use a lie detector or something?
"Ok, hacking the game lets you do more, but what's the interest or reason for that?"
Perhaps they have fun hacking the game? This is in single player, so there's no reason to ban them. Why do you like the game? Is it just fun to you? It's the same for people who like to cheat in games. It can, at times, be fun.
"As for their DRM, I rather like it. I can download my games to any computer I might be at, as opposed to EA and Sony's ridiculous one-computer, one-install DRM that kills the game's replayability."
So in other words, it's good because it's better than some of the other worthless, harmful DRM schemes out there? It could be worse, so you should just accept your fate? No, sorry. Any DRM is bad DRM.
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He's just giving the facts. There's not much else you can do besides attempting to educate people about DRM and why it is bad.
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"Glad I play games just to have fun"
I wonder how much fun you'll have if you find out your game isn't working because of the DRM, either immediately or eventually.
"display our angst on message boards"
I believe that they are trying to educate people about the risks of DRM and the problems that arise. Nothing will likely change if the majority remains uneducated.
"If you paid for the game, why do you care about DRM?"
Well, you're probably not serious, but here I go. It's because, as a paying customer, I want some degree of control over the product that I bought. DRM limits what I can do with the game, sometimes not allowing me to play it at all. Pirates? They remove the DRM within a few days, making it completely pointless in that regard.
Looks pretty cool. Too bad it's made by a company who has shown far less consideration for its customers than many others and will likely have some sort of DRM that comes with it. It's a shame that they have to ruin what would be an otherwise great game with things that don't even really affect the gameplay itself. Oh, well.
"Actually the losses suffered by the copyright owner through people using illegal copies are quite real."
So are people who decide not to buy a product from a store.
"The difference quite clearly being that in that case you left the store and deprived yourself of the enjoyment of the game"
The enjoyment you got out of the game has absolutely nothing to do with harm inflicted upon the business.
"Imagine someone that just bought a product from a store goes and tells their friends (who were originally going to buy the product) that they should not buy the product for whatever reason. Hearing this, that persons friends decide not to buy the product. They would have bought the product otherwise. Therefore, "potential profit" was lost."
Absolutely everyone is 'guilty' of 'stealing' profit that others could, potentially, have had. To say this harms someone in the first place is absurd.
Voting does not change anything. All politicians are this way, likely. What you don't seem to realize is that the government has begun using excuses to pass laws that strip away the freedom of the people and sometimes satisfy lobbyists (terrorism, piracy, etc).
That wasn't my point. My point is that these copyright laws are idiotic in the first place.
"Might we have if not for copying them?"
Did you even read my comment? When I decide not to buy a product from a store, I am 'stealing' profit that the store could, potentially, have had. Would the store have had more money if I had bought the product? Yes. Therefore, "potential profit" was stolen.
Imagine someone that just bought a product from a store goes and tells their friends (who were originally going to buy the product) that they should not buy the product for whatever reason. Hearing this, that persons friends decide not to buy the product. They would have bought the product otherwise. Therefore, "potential profit" was lost.
What you don't realize is that absolutely everyone is 'guilty' of 'stealing' profit that others could, potentially, have had. It is impossible to do harm like this.
There are none, because I don't fly on planes. I certainly wouldn't put up with this, however. I certainly would do something about it if it happened to me.
By copying data. Apparently you didn't understand my point. How does this hurt them? Don't say "potential profit," either. Permission has absolutely nothing to do with it. How does it hurt them if I copy data without their permission?
"To me, this is more like someone using someone's rental property without permission and without paying"
No, because in that example, you're depriving them of physical goods (unlike when pirates copy data, thereby depriving no one of anything), even if it is only for a short time. In that time period, they were unable to use their own property. Actual harm was done in that example.
"Whether or not is IS legal or illegal is quite another"
What does this have to do with anything? Clearly I'm arguing that piracy should be legal. Some laws must be broken before they are changed.
"we want to separate them and say it's ok to take digital media"
How hard is it to understand that you're not taking anything?
"and not okay to take physical media without paying for it."
That's because that does ACTUAL harm to someone by DEPRIVING them of a good that is not in infinite supply. No one copied anything in that example, they deprived someone of something physical.
"Now if you don't like the law, think it should be changed, the answer is to let your representatives know."
Well, that will only work if you're a person with a seemingly unlimited supply of money. Sadly, that is not the case with so many people. They will almost always listen to the lobbyist over the poor civilian.
He modified his own property. That is what he did. Now, whether this allows others to potentially 'steal' money that only exists in the future of an alternate dimension where the artist/business made more money (the piracy is bad because they steal "potential profit" argument) is irrelevant. It can be used to play backup copies, yes. Now, no one can legally play their backed up games in fear of getting in legal trouble because lobbyists have an illogical fear of 'piracy'. Useless. Pirates will do this whether it is legal or not, and people who have legitimate uses for it could suffer. In some ways, it sounds similar to DRM.
Sounds like you have... a problem with authority! Why don't you stop being a criminal? After all, the law is always right. This is just how the world works, and since it could, potentially, be worse, you might as well not bother trying to change it.
"and in likelyhood abetting a little casual piracy"
Oh, no! Money that only exists in the future of an alternate dimension where the artist/business made more money was 'stolen'! This is almost as bad as that time when I decided not to buy a product from a store, thereby depriving them of profit that they could, potentially, have had!
"As far as I'm considered, when I buy something (phone, game console, computer, whatever) it's mine to do with as I please."
People with money and an interest in these devices appear to disagree. No matter how wrong they are, I wonder who will be the one who is listened to...
"That's not to say it excuses piracy"
Not that reason alone, no. Logic does that.
"I really don't care what the lobbyist-bought-and-paid-for law says on the matter."
Really? Well, that won't stop these corporate tools from caring about you and attempting to doom you to the same fate as this guy.
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"In other words, you think Blizzard is a shitty company for giving their customers what they actually want"
They had a majority vote that included all of their paying customers, or something? If not, then I don't see what you're basing this information off of. Did you survey every single one of their customers and use a lie detector or something?
"And maybe Blizzard doesn't want to fight cheaters one-at-a-time, searching through the server logs"
Right, so ban innocent players who haven't even hurt others from play altogether simply because they could, potentially, cheat in multiplayer.
"Why should someone playing fair have to lose to a cheater before they get banned, anyway?"
Might as well range ban everyone, then.
"Ok, hacking the game lets you do more, but what's the interest or reason for that?"
Perhaps they have fun hacking the game? This is in single player, so there's no reason to ban them. Why do you like the game? Is it just fun to you? It's the same for people who like to cheat in games. It can, at times, be fun.
"As for their DRM, I rather like it. I can download my games to any computer I might be at, as opposed to EA and Sony's ridiculous one-computer, one-install DRM that kills the game's replayability."
So in other words, it's good because it's better than some of the other worthless, harmful DRM schemes out there? It could be worse, so you should just accept your fate? No, sorry. Any DRM is bad DRM.
He's just giving the facts. There's not much else you can do besides attempting to educate people about DRM and why it is bad.
"Glad I play games just to have fun"
I wonder how much fun you'll have if you find out your game isn't working because of the DRM, either immediately or eventually.
"display our angst on message boards"
I believe that they are trying to educate people about the risks of DRM and the problems that arise. Nothing will likely change if the majority remains uneducated.
"If you paid for the game, why do you care about DRM?"
Well, you're probably not serious, but here I go. It's because, as a paying customer, I want some degree of control over the product that I bought. DRM limits what I can do with the game, sometimes not allowing me to play it at all. Pirates? They remove the DRM within a few days, making it completely pointless in that regard.
Ironically enough they'll probably have more piracy on their hands due to their pointless DRM schemes.
Looks pretty cool. Too bad it's made by a company who has shown far less consideration for its customers than many others and will likely have some sort of DRM that comes with it. It's a shame that they have to ruin what would be an otherwise great game with things that don't even really affect the gameplay itself. Oh, well.
Yes, it does. What is your point?
"But we can spend the non-productive time doing a variety of things"
What if they like to play Farmville? All of what you listed was ultimately pointless, but may still have worth to certain people.
"How does Farmville actually rate?"
Obviously pretty highly for people who play it.
"weapons simulations"
Useless, that is.
"I'm starting to really worry about America"
Really? I'm starting to worry about the entire world with all of the governments trying to erode our privacy and freedoms.
"Your fine country was such a great example of capitalism in action"
In other words, it was trash to begin with.
As usual, you didn't understand my argument.
"Actually the losses suffered by the copyright owner through people using illegal copies are quite real."
So are people who decide not to buy a product from a store.
"The difference quite clearly being that in that case you left the store and deprived yourself of the enjoyment of the game"
The enjoyment you got out of the game has absolutely nothing to do with harm inflicted upon the business.
"Imagine someone that just bought a product from a store goes and tells their friends (who were originally going to buy the product) that they should not buy the product for whatever reason. Hearing this, that persons friends decide not to buy the product. They would have bought the product otherwise. Therefore, "potential profit" was lost."
Absolutely everyone is 'guilty' of 'stealing' profit that others could, potentially, have had. To say this harms someone in the first place is absurd.
Voting does not change anything. All politicians are this way, likely. What you don't seem to realize is that the government has begun using excuses to pass laws that strip away the freedom of the people and sometimes satisfy lobbyists (terrorism, piracy, etc).
"But, it was copyright violation"
That wasn't my point. My point is that these copyright laws are idiotic in the first place.
"Might we have if not for copying them?"
Did you even read my comment? When I decide not to buy a product from a store, I am 'stealing' profit that the store could, potentially, have had. Would the store have had more money if I had bought the product? Yes. Therefore, "potential profit" was stolen.
Imagine someone that just bought a product from a store goes and tells their friends (who were originally going to buy the product) that they should not buy the product for whatever reason. Hearing this, that persons friends decide not to buy the product. They would have bought the product otherwise. Therefore, "potential profit" was lost.
What you don't realize is that absolutely everyone is 'guilty' of 'stealing' profit that others could, potentially, have had. It is impossible to do harm like this.
"Not everyone thinks all elements of the DMCA are evil by the way"
I'm aware. Those people are usually one of the follow: idiots, ignorant, or paid.
The second one can be solved, and there are so many that exist in the second category.
"but would you really act differently"
Yes.
"If so, where's the news article about you"
There are none, because I don't fly on planes. I certainly wouldn't put up with this, however. I certainly would do something about it if it happened to me.
"In this case, you ARE receiving the product"
By copying data. Apparently you didn't understand my point. How does this hurt them? Don't say "potential profit," either. Permission has absolutely nothing to do with it. How does it hurt them if I copy data without their permission?
"To me, this is more like someone using someone's rental property without permission and without paying"
No, because in that example, you're depriving them of physical goods (unlike when pirates copy data, thereby depriving no one of anything), even if it is only for a short time. In that time period, they were unable to use their own property. Actual harm was done in that example.
"Whether or not is IS legal or illegal is quite another"
What does this have to do with anything? Clearly I'm arguing that piracy should be legal. Some laws must be broken before they are changed.
"we want to separate them and say it's ok to take digital media"
How hard is it to understand that you're not taking anything?
"and not okay to take physical media without paying for it."
That's because that does ACTUAL harm to someone by DEPRIVING them of a good that is not in infinite supply. No one copied anything in that example, they deprived someone of something physical.
"he is selling the service of modifying everyone elses property"
With their consent? If so, what I said above still applies. If people really want to pay him to do that, that is their own choice.
"Now if you don't like the law, think it should be changed, the answer is to let your representatives know."
Well, that will only work if you're a person with a seemingly unlimited supply of money. Sadly, that is not the case with so many people. They will almost always listen to the lobbyist over the poor civilian.
He modified his own property. That is what he did. Now, whether this allows others to potentially 'steal' money that only exists in the future of an alternate dimension where the artist/business made more money (the piracy is bad because they steal "potential profit" argument) is irrelevant. It can be used to play backup copies, yes. Now, no one can legally play their backed up games in fear of getting in legal trouble because lobbyists have an illogical fear of 'piracy'. Useless. Pirates will do this whether it is legal or not, and people who have legitimate uses for it could suffer. In some ways, it sounds similar to DRM.
Sounds like you have... a problem with authority! Why don't you stop being a criminal? After all, the law is always right. This is just how the world works, and since it could, potentially, be worse, you might as well not bother trying to change it.
"and in likelyhood abetting a little casual piracy"
Oh, no! Money that only exists in the future of an alternate dimension where the artist/business made more money was 'stolen'! This is almost as bad as that time when I decided not to buy a product from a store, thereby depriving them of profit that they could, potentially, have had!
"As far as I'm considered, when I buy something (phone, game console, computer, whatever) it's mine to do with as I please."
People with money and an interest in these devices appear to disagree. No matter how wrong they are, I wonder who will be the one who is listened to...
"That's not to say it excuses piracy"
Not that reason alone, no. Logic does that.
"I really don't care what the lobbyist-bought-and-paid-for law says on the matter."
Really? Well, that won't stop these corporate tools from caring about you and attempting to doom you to the same fate as this guy.