Borland doesn't use standard C++, well that's not quite true, there C++ compiler used to be and probably still is the most ANSI compliant but Borland have there own C++ extensions.
Closures and Properties.
a closure works like this struct closure{ * thispointer; * functionpointer }
calling closure(1,2,3) effectivly does thispointer->function(1,2,3) or functionpointer(thispointer,1,2,3);
Properties are user friendly, natural getters and setters.
While I'd aggree that Microsoft makes it 'cheep' to by Visuial Studio, they don't make it that cheep to buy the platform licences.
Also Visual Studio has the crapest development environment I've ever used and the help is shite. It's easier to write code in notepad than VC++, even the windows 9x version of notepad with the 64k file size limit.
M$ may monkey farm there developers so that developers only have access to a small amount of code, this is probably why the code is so bloated I can't intergrate systems properly in a sand-box environment
It would be very difficult to not let the world know first. 1: You have to tell people that the system isn't standards complient or that a new version of the standard has comeout. 2: Competition rules would require that information be freely available to manufacturers(but possibly cost something to implement) 3: Somebody's going to leak the information anyhows.
I agree, there's also ATL i think that's even worse!!! I found it far easier to write using straight windows API.
Fortunatly I wrote my own Windows wrapper before MFC came along.
MFC might look good in comparison to Visuial Studio which must be one of the worst Dev environments I've ever used, I'd never take a job where Visuial studio was a requirement.
I drem of the day when companies wake up and realise that 90% of there employes only? need to go into work one day a week, and should be given the freedome to work pro-rata from home.
I tele-work, most of the work I do is a few hundred miles away and on different locations. I still have to come into the office though for no apparent reason.
I have a faster connection a better PC, more software, a confortable environment and thats all at home. Number of man days lost to, 'I could just do with another hour in bed' drop to near zero.
Hours lost having to go outside for a smoke , drop to near zero.
Whole days lost to illness, drop to near zero.
etc.....
People may slack off for a while, but I took a 3 month sabatical and came back to work because I got board.
"kuzdu", nope I wan't somthing that searches against an online database for current drivers etc.. for my hardware or even binary only's the things that arn't in the distro.
There are a lot of userspace drivers or things like GPhoto2 especially for USB decices where no kernel modules are required.
Also it should part configure the kernel for you.
cd/use/sec/linux make auto-config-using-proc-and-hardwaredb make xconfig
I thought BT wholesale only provided ADSL connection not internet connection, SFAIK ADSL could be used for anything e.g. direct connection to the office, not just 'the internet' so BT would have a hell of a job restricting the line.
There are loads of ISP's offering broadband (ADSL) here in the UK some of which explicitly say you can serve anything legel and have as many pc's as you want hanging off you connection and tell you how to setup nats etc...
The UK regulater makes a hell of a lot of noise, the UK had a public monopoly upuntil a few years ago and the regulator keeps trying to force down prices offered to ISP's for dialup and ADSL access.
I put a ? against apache, with the number of broadband users going up quite a few home users might want to serve web pages and a simple everything lives in/var/www/html apache install would acomidate that.
Looking through the apache logs I wouldn't recmend anyone to run IIS.
I also run mail on adsl, which is easy to setup but a lot harder than dumping evrything into/var/www/html.
why pay £50 a year for 20mb of email space on someone elses domain, when you can have 100gb of email space if you run you own mail server, and as many email addresses as you want.
I had a copy of Corel linux, it was ok but way before it's time, there just wasn't the desktop out there (two years ago?) to support a desktop distribution.
I only run linux at home, and i still pine for Open in Textpad , browse in ACDSee and add to myfiles.zip
This all worked 6 years ago on Windows! linux still doesn't have anything close to OLE extensibility.
Most of the things your talking about came, saw the light of a few TV programmes and went, just like internet video phones.
They seem nice, but there more of a gimic than anything else, I talk to my computer all the time and I'm glad it can't understand!
2D Desktops generally provide the best interface to the information normally displayed on a computer and there the easyest for most people to understand., humans are geered up to think in 2d space there are a hell of a lot of people who cant think in 3d, 4d or 1d space, or do mental folding etc...
It's three cd and about 2000 apps with source code. lets take the 100 or so that mum would use, and stick them on 1 easy to install CD.
'Persomnal' should really be called 'geek' since that appears to be the target market, there usually anything but personnal.
There's a big differnace between office and home users, most offices have or can affort technical support staff, and operators are usually banned from installing stuff on there workstations, my Mum needs a helping hand.
Why isn't there any software to look in proc and compaire your hardware agains a database on the internet and get the drivers/kernel patches for your system.
BTW I'm browsing with konquror, not sure why but it was a bad idea, konquror doesn't make a good browser.
Why doesn't Sues and Mandrake make a 1 CD distro, with Openoffice, KDE, Cups, The gimp, mozilla, and the best version of wine etc and a few games, and maybe apache?
I like to have 10 different databases loads of servers and evrything anyone could ever want in a distro.
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I aggree...
C++ is a very natural language with opperator overloading etc... but they never sorted out properties and closures.
You have to use getters/setters or nasty signal slot hackarrounds.
Borland doesn't use standard C++, well that's not quite true, there C++ compiler used to be and probably still is the most ANSI compliant but Borland have there own C++ extensions.
Closures
and
Properties.
a closure works like this
struct closure{
* thispointer;
* functionpointer
}
calling closure(1,2,3) effectivly does thispointer->function(1,2,3) or
functionpointer(thispointer,1,2,3);
Properties are user friendly, natural getters and setters.
I don't think that GCC will works with them...
While I'd aggree that Microsoft makes it 'cheep' to by Visuial Studio, they don't make it that cheep to buy the platform licences.
Also Visual Studio has the crapest development environment I've ever used and the help is shite. It's easier to write code in notepad than VC++, even the windows 9x version of notepad with the 64k file size limit.
Try using G++ from the command line, or check that you have /etc/alternitives/g++ pointing to the correct version of GCC for you libraries.
/desktop/recycle/bin
If that fails you can always move you apps to
Grrrrrr.....
anyhows
C++ looks good, C Builder has always had far better debuging tools than Delphi, I hope Kylix C++ has decient debugging.
The professional version now has a postgres driver, there was a serious lack of DB drivers in Kylix 1 professional.
Kylix 2 had an odd dependency on Wine I hope thats fixed now.
Looks like it's time to upgrade that Kylix 1 Pro box set I've got sat on the shelf...
Well beta's get out into the wild..
M$ may monkey farm there developers so that developers only have access to a small amount of code, this is probably why the code is so bloated I can't intergrate systems properly in a sand-box environment
It would be very difficult to not let the world know first.
1: You have to tell people that the system isn't standards complient or that a new version of the standard has comeout.
2: Competition rules would require that information be freely available to manufacturers(but possibly cost something to implement)
3: Somebody's going to leak the information anyhows.
Microsofts help was ok when it was in plain help files It just got shit when monkey soft switched to HTML help forcing everyone to install IE.
borland has Just released Kylix 3with C++ and Object Pascal support in one product.
/. yet?
Don't know why this hasn't made it to
I agree, there's also ATL i think that's even worse!!! I found it far easier to write using straight windows API.
Fortunatly I wrote my own Windows wrapper before MFC came along.
MFC might look good in comparison to Visuial Studio which must be one of the worst Dev environments I've ever used, I'd never take a job where Visuial studio was a requirement.
Saving a file appends the mime type extension, all those nice larlar.tgz.gz's or larlar.tgz.txt's
The name mangeling problem
lar lar.tgz turns into lar%20lar.tgz
Hmm...
Here's my opinion, as a systems design bloke.
Inteligent systems can be build using a mix of top down and bottom up approaches.
This is a very crude example
An AI system should never spell things incorrectly because It's easy to give it a dictionary, that it can add new words to using a top down approach.
But it may ask you the wrong questions and give you the wrong answers until it learns to comunicate correctly, this requires a bottom up approach.
Do you think there is potential for tieing neural nets , heuristics and HMM together in a user interactive environment.
Using HMM to predict what the user is lightly to request or say next for things like UI's and Alice.
Heuristics for a general statistics and knowledge base
and Neural nets to learn how to use the Heuristics and HMM and Neural nets better.
I drem of the day when companies wake up and realise that 90% of there employes only? need to go into work one day a week, and should be given the freedome to work pro-rata from home.
I tele-work, most of the work I do is a few hundred miles away and on different locations.
I still have to come into the office though for no apparent reason.
I have a faster connection a better PC, more software, a confortable environment and thats all at home.
Number of man days lost to, 'I could just do with another hour in bed' drop to near zero.
Hours lost having to go outside for a smoke , drop to near zero.
Whole days lost to illness, drop to near zero.
etc.....
People may slack off for a while, but I took a 3 month sabatical and came back to work because I got board.
If Ihad a GB network connection and was at collage I'd make sure I could get the leatures pumped through to my bed room.
"kuzdu",
/use/sec/linux
nope I wan't somthing that searches against an online database for current drivers etc.. for my hardware or even binary only's the things that arn't in the distro.
There are a lot of userspace drivers or things like GPhoto2 especially for USB decices where no kernel modules are required.
Also it should part configure the kernel for you.
cd
make auto-config-using-proc-and-hardwaredb
make xconfig
etc.....
I thought BT wholesale only provided ADSL connection not internet connection, SFAIK ADSL could be used for anything e.g. direct connection to the office, not just 'the internet' so BT would have a hell of a job restricting the line.
There are loads of ISP's offering broadband (ADSL) here in the UK some of which explicitly say you can serve anything legel and have as many pc's as you want hanging off you connection and tell you how to setup nats etc...
The UK regulater makes a hell of a lot of noise, the UK had a public monopoly upuntil a few years ago and the regulator keeps trying to force down prices offered to ISP's for dialup and ADSL access.
I put a ? against apache, with the number of broadband users going up quite a few home users might want to serve web pages and a simple everything lives in /var/www/html apache install would acomidate that.
/var/www/html.
Looking through the apache logs I wouldn't recmend anyone to run IIS.
I also run mail on adsl, which is easy to setup but a lot harder than dumping evrything into
why pay £50 a year for 20mb of email space on someone elses domain, when you can have 100gb of email space if you run you own mail server, and as many email addresses as you want.
I had a copy of Corel linux, it was ok but way before it's time, there just wasn't the desktop out there (two years ago?) to support a desktop distribution.
I only run linux at home, and i still pine for Open in Textpad , browse in ACDSee and add to myfiles.zip
This all worked 6 years ago on Windows! linux still doesn't have anything close to OLE extensibility.
Most of the things your talking about came, saw the light of a few TV programmes and went, just like internet video phones.
They seem nice, but there more of a gimic than anything else, I talk to my computer all the time and I'm glad it can't understand!
2D Desktops generally provide the best interface to the information normally displayed on a computer and there the easyest for most people to understand., humans are geered up to think in 2d space there are a hell of a lot of people who cant think in 3d, 4d or 1d space, or do mental folding etc...
It's a resource issue,
I'm currently involved in other open-source projects,
I have a full time job.
I do part time consultancy.
And I can't afford to distribute a distribution aimed at 'Home' users.
But i do have time to post comments and suggeations and the odd bug report etc.. on open forums and mailing lists
Personnaly I'm switching to gentoo, it seems to have a much better package manager.
It's three cd and about 2000 apps with source code.
lets take the 100 or so that mum would use, and stick them on 1 easy to install CD.
'Persomnal' should really be called 'geek' since that appears to be the target market, there usually anything but personnal.
There's a big differnace between office and home users, most offices have or can affort technical support staff, and operators are usually banned from installing stuff on there workstations, my Mum needs a helping hand.
Why isn't there any software to look in proc and compaire your hardware agains a database on the internet and get the drivers/kernel patches for your system.
BTW I'm browsing with konquror, not sure why but it was a bad idea, konquror doesn't make a good browser.
Why doesn't Sues and Mandrake make a 1 CD distro, with Openoffice, KDE, Cups, The gimp, mozilla, and the best version of wine etc and a few games, and maybe apache?
I like to have 10 different databases loads of servers and evrything anyone could ever want in a distro.
My Mum wouldn't use it and doesn't need it