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Mozilla 1.1 Beta Out And About
asa writes: "Today mozilla.org released Mozilla 1.1 Beta. New to this release are full-screen mode for Linux, BiDi Hebrew improvements, Arabic shaping improvements for Linux, and significant improvements to Venkman, the best cross-platform JavaScript debugger on the planet. Binaries and release notes available at http://www.mozilla.org/releases/. You can read more about this release at mozilla.org and mozillazine.org and if you want to see how this release fits into the overall 1.1 development cycle there's a pretty picture available at the Mozilla Development Roadmap."
Could 1.1 be the version that AOL integrates with their client software?
Mozilla-enabled FP!
Are the Arabic and Hebrew improvements going to start killing and bombing each other?
Can't use the anonymize proxy, eh? We can't really be AC without anonymizer.com!
Is there any place that has a few good examples of what can be done with the XUL and XPI features of Mozilla / Gecko / whatever ? I've discovered www.xulplanet.com but I was wondering if anyone knew of any demos out there.
fair.org counterpunch.com truthout.com indymedia.org salon.com
eff.org guerrilla.net debian.org gentoo.org
Mozilla's drag and drop support has been greatly improved.
How about disabling drag and drop under Linux, select and middle-click do everything I need. Drag and drop interferes with selection.
Mozilla Pic
keanmarine.com
Now that Mozilla is out of beta, its compatibility needs (if any) must now be considered alongside NS, IE, and Opera. Go Mozilla!
We're Doomed
So when should we expect native SVG support?
The last time I checked, the holdup was the license on mathlib.
Can you make the vertical scroll bar BIGGER?
pessimist
I do security
I would like to see better flash support, a better java, and more speed(i dunno aout linux but on my solaris it is slow :-( ).
But overall a good package and if we iron out the rough edges it is the best browser there is. :-).
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Saw the slashdot article and immediately downloaded the beta.
So far it's working like a charm. They've fixed up the bugs from the alpha, like the one which caused word overlapping on some sentences.
This browser just keeps on moving from strength to strength! Thanks, Mozilla team!
Here's my little soapbox and I'm a "highly modded" poster so I get the whole plus 2 before I'm modded as a troll some more. Mozilla may be a very capable browser, but shaping the article to play more into the fact that it has better language support than IE and still holds 99% of the functionality of IE would be a better story than just announcing every release and a brief summary of the changelog. The last thing I would like to see is a list of mirrors for software, I don't like having to wait 3 days because the only place I know to get the software is the link that slashdot posted that is far out of date. While this doesn't apply to distros and software like mozilla, it does apply to projects not hosted on sourceforge or that have a lot of bandwidth to spare.
I am very pleased to see that Mozilla is doing what some seemed would never happen and that's to make a browser that is not only free, but open source, runs on more platforms than I can name, and to top it all off, is actively developed on. I couldn't be happier with the way mozilla is working out, my main beef is that if /. wants to post PR articles or PR announcements at least say why the project is slashdot worthy, and moreso why the project is a benifit to all of us.
I use mozilla all the time, you know why? Because no matter what computer I'm on, I can run it. That's what I like about mozilla. I don't care if it isn't as fast as IE in page rendering, or if it eats up a lot of memory, or if someone thinks opera is better. I like mozilla and I think slashdot is really doing them an injustice by explaining that a new version is out and not the benifits of the project itself.
Ignore the "p2p is theft" trolls, they're just uninformed
This has to be a troll, no one could possibly be that lame.
That sad part is i'm not really sure...
This is slashdot after all.
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"Mozlla 1.1 Beta Out And About"
Hey, it's Mozlla, the next big thing in the browser war! Sheesh, doesn't anyone check their stories anymore? ;)
"Quoting famous computer scientists out of context is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming." - K
* Download Manager has been enabled (with many improvements) for the 1.1 Alph arelease.
1.1 Alf release? Don't blow a gasket, Willy! Ha! I kill me!
example.org - powered by Linux!
The infamous profile-trashing between versions bug is still present. Comments indicate that it has to be fixed before Mozilla 1.x goes out as Netscape, or Netscape won't coexist with itself.
I've been using Mozilla for a while now, both under linux and windows, and have been very impressed. 1.1 is even more impressive than 1.0, and some bug's that i've been having under linux are now fixed. Hooray to the Mozilla team, they're doing an excellent job.
Does anyone know if there is a FreeBSD binary available? Thanks.
It is a troll, this exact comment has been posted on 3 seperate occasions the last few posts. Its sort of like *bsd is dying posts, where they just adapt a few of the words for the subject matter.
"Use of Mozilla's "quicklaunch" (AKA "turbo") mode may cause the deletion of user preferences. It is recommended that you do not run quicklaunch until this bug is fixed."
Checking bugilla shows a patch in the queue, here's hoping it makes it to one of the nightly's.
Mozilla has become so much better than IE lately that there is never a need to switch back and forth. Thanks Mozilla team, keep up the great work!
As someone who's worked on Mozilla, I have to say very little. Recently, I nearly gutted an Opera user. The sentiment of them is "Mozilla is a bloated peice of shit that crashes too much and is useless". To that, I responded "You're going to need your last backup tape". . With this release, Mozilla gets stronger and better. More power to those that use it.
Actually, I've had really good luck with Hebrew support in Linux, much more so than Windows. I don't visit all too many Hebrew sites, but it seems to me everything's been rendering fine for a while now. The spacing is a little dodgy, though, and that could be what was fixed. That'd be nice.
In case any of you are paticularly interested in seeing an example (even if ya can't read it), check out:
http://www.haaretz.co.il
Conversely, a good check of Arabic support is at:
http://www.wafa.pna.net/AraText/arabic.htm
I can see that using Moz 1.0rc1, some of that Arabic is _definitely_ not rendering correctly. I'm not a speaker of the language, but it's pretty obvious some stuff is being rendered incorrectly.
I linked both an Israeli web site and a Palestinian web site to keep accusations of political bias away. It seems there's always _someone_ who would complain if I just gave an Israeli website in both Arabic and Hebrew. Everyone happy?
-Erwos
Plausible conjecture should not be misrepresented as proof positive.
Personally, I"m wondering if they may ever get it down from the current ~10MB size. It's a bit annoying, because even though IE is no lightweight, not everyone would jump from Outlook Express to Mozilla Mail, and I just want to use a lightweight Gecko implementation.
K-Meleon is rather old (the newest build is almost a year old!) and a bit buggy.
Personally, what I would like to see is a way to make Mozilla/Gecko interchangable with IE in Explorer windows (IE, I'm in folder X, I'll just type a URL in the toolbar and go...).
What's next, CrossTheStreams ? :-)
These guys sure loved Ghostbusters
Seriously, I run 'zilla 1.1a on all my machines... (linux router, home machine, all my work machines) What does 1.1b have to offer? Stability? Features? Hmmm..?
btw,
1) does anyone how I can unload plugins? Flash 5 is driving me up the wall.
2) where I can find benefical plugins (like the jre) that work?
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So, tell us, how do YOU really feel about Mozilla. Don't worry. We can take it.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.
Ben
Mozilla.org gets a lot of duplicate bug reports: 40-50% of a sample of bugs from April 2002 are dups. If you know how to search Bugzilla, you can get that down to 15-20%. (Knowing some jargon helps too, of course.) Unfortunately, the most widely advertised Bugzilla search tool, the query builder, is so complicated that many testers give up before finding their bug and report a duplicate.
There's a well-hidden search box on the Bugzilla front page that works a lot like Google. You can almost use it like Google, but there are several differences you should be aware of:
Other useful tools for avoiding reporting duplicates include the frequently reported bugs list and #mozillazine on irc.mozilla.org. If you find yourself working in Bugzilla a lot, you can use the collect buglinks bookmarklet to get a list of bugs mentioned in a given bug report, which is useful because many bug reports include links to related bugs.
The shareholder is always right.
Of course, if you used Mozilla you could disable all of that stuff. However, this is just a JPEG, and is thus junk-free even in IE.
:-)
Next time actually follow the link!
Bugzilla is checking the HTTP referrer field, and seeing that slashdot.org redirected you, it gave you that page. So what you wanna do is open up your prefs.js file, and add this line:
user_pref("network.http.sendRefererHeader", 0);
Pick 0 for no referres ever sent, 2 for always send, and 1 for images only.
Got friends?
To me this one is most important because it prevents spammers from imbedding web bugs to see what email addresses are active. ie you can refrence an image source to http://some.com/cgi-bin/mail-check.cgi?CmrTaco@mai l.com
and it does not take a 'reply remove' to know it's a valid email address.
Saying Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders.
Well that's a relief.
This is slashdot though ya know, i mean there are some lame fuckas around these parts so ya can never be sure...
Or waste your mod point by modding ME down.
Parent deserves another "+1" funny", just for managing to write a troll that someone moderated up as interesting.
This happens under Solaris too.
I think that it is a bug so it should go into the 1.0.x release, but I'm not sure that there will be one.
I hope that it will be fixed in the 1.1 release..
Hackers using evil email hackery to harvest addresses? That's crazy! Steve Gibson should be all over this!
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On Linux, it's as simple as removing the file or symlink to libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins to the jre plugin. Didn't even need to restart Mozilla.
The Sun JRE has consistently worked for me. After installing it, I made a symlink in
ok, this is a new low. you spelled "Mozilla" wrong in the FUCKING TITLE
good work, guys
First, let me assure you this is not a troll. I have been using Mozilla as my main browser for more than a year now, both under Linux and Windows. Nowadays it is my sole browser, and I open IE only when I need to test an application or check a page design.
Venkman may well become a good debugger one day, but the version that comes with Mozilla 1.0 is a little more than a toy, a nice menu entry to have under "Web Development". It is absolutely unusable under real world situations. And the traditional lack of real documentation only adds to it uselessness.
So, calling Venkman "the best" anything is just streching reality a little too far, even for people like me who gain their living mostly developing under/for/with Free Software.
Gee(e^15)z! 'Mozlla 1.1 Beta Out And About'. You know, it seems people rush to be 'the one' that posts a story. Come on, people! It's kind of like the people that wish for a MUSH to go down so they could get the botspot. There are more important things. Like not getting moderated -1, Troll. Why do I have a feeling I'm going to get a 'troll'? But more on-topic wise, some people always hate other software. It's not a new concept. So, I don't take it as a suprise that Opera, Gentoo, and other users feel they 'must' chime-in on their opinion of Mozilla. Why is this? Is it that they hate the software so much they can't stand the idea of someone else using it happily? Or is it the same principal that causes 'Mozlla'?
Bookmarklets are bookmarks containing javascript code. Instead of taking you to another page, bookmarklets do things with/to the current page. Here are some bookmarklets for Mozilla that I have added since Mozilla 1.0:
"Fixing" annoying web sites:- Zap event handlers: removes event handlers, including those responsible for blind links and exit pop-up ads.
- Zap embeds: removes java, flash, background music, and iframes from a page.
- Zap colors: makes text black on a white background, and makes links blue and purple.
- Zap: combines "zap embeds", "zap colors", and "zap event handlers".
- Test styles: type in CSS rules to experiment or to create a temporary user style sheet.
Web development:- View Style Sheets
- View Scripts
- View Script Variables
Other:Several of these bookmarklets also work in IE 5.5, to the extent that IE supports DOM Level 2 and doesn't make me go too far out of my way to accommodate its quirks.
The shareholder is always right.
Its a bust.. still having problems with session management and pr0n rendering
Cool Pic.
I wonder if it would be possible to colourize the lizzard to make it red. I suck at photoshop or I'd try it myself. The red lizzard is the official mascot of Mozilla - Netscape is green.
Great!
Got any advice for my non-linux machines? That's where I'd really spend most of my time (@work, etc)
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Once again the X windowing system and the users of both Gnome and KDE desktop environments get left wanting. Ah well maybe someday day around version 2. Though by then we'll all be useing KDE 5 or 6 with Konqueror and Gnome 2.6 with Galeon 2.2 and we won't care if mozilla has good looking fonts under X because we won't be useing it.
sparkeyjames
If sense were common everyone would have it!
Steve Gibson's soul was purchased into FUD slavery by Symantec Corp about a month ago.
Saying Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders.
We do not guarantee that any source code or executable code available from the mozilla.org domain is Year 2000 compliant.
Is this some sort of joke?? I thought we got over that whole thing 2 years ago.
We're going to make information free Mr. Anderson, whether you like it, or not.
user_pref("plugin.scan.4xPluginFolder", false);" , "-1");
user_pref("plugin.scan.Acrobat", "-1");
user_pref("plugin.scan.Quicktime", "-1");
user_pref("plugin.scan.SunJRE", "-1");
user_pref("plugin.scan.WindowsMediaPlayer
The above lines go in prefs.js and should keep Mozilla from seeking plugins elsewhere on your hard drive. Edit as necessary. To get the JRE on Windows, I copied NPOJI600.dll from the Java installation to Mozilla's plugins directory. (still on 1.0 here)
Also of use: user_pref("browser.blink_allowed", false);
My IP is 192.168.1.100 Hack it if you want.
I know that Mozilla is at least version 1.0, but I haven't heard about this new Mozlla browser.
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I don't know what you're going on about. I run Mozilla in KDE, and I've had antialiasing for months now, well before 1.0 hit. Debian includes it as a standard install option, and it can easily be turned on and off, and it will run with any X environment, including Gnome and Windowmaker.
Basically, if you don't have antialiasing, it's either your own fault or that of your distro.
"I may not have morals, but I have standards."
Galeon uses Mozilla's rendering engine, so when Mozilla gets antialiased fonts, Galeon will. The GTK2 stuff is still being worked on. It's nice that you pointed out KDE's version bloat too.
I was fooling around with a fresh download of MSIE 5.2.1 on Mac OS X earlier today. The download was 7.2 MB compressed and I belive the final install took up a little over 11 MB. I didn't have time to see what the breakdown was. As I recall, version 5.1.5 for Mac OS 9 is a bit smaller, about a 5.5 MB download and 9 MB installed. Though 5.1 has fewer features and less help/readme fluff.
MSIE + Outlook Express for Solaris and HP/UX is well over 20 MB compressed (www.microsoft.com/unix).
It's hard to tell how much space MSIE takes up on Win32 given that it relies on libraries and bindings built into the OS and windowing system.
That said, I think mozilla's current size isn't too bad. I'd much rather see performance improvements, especially for older machines and the latest crop of tiny all-in-one machines. (Such as those VIA Mini-ITX boxes... WinChip-like performance, but really small/quiet/cool). RAM usage could use some trimming as well.
plugindoc.mozdev.org is what you want.
Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
Quit using ToyOS/Lunix and get a real OS. Mac OS X OmniWeb is the most Spider-Man-boner-inducing game ever!
They have a new version, available seperately or with the beta which purportedly is considerably more complete.
"Mozilla 1.0 comes with Venkman version 0.8.5. Venkman has made much progress since then with the 0.9.x series. If you are running Mozilla 1.0 and would like to upgrade to Venkman 0.9.x, please visit the development page. The revisions provided there are usually suitable as daily debuggers. If you do find a problem, please report a bug."
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/venkman/
I suggest you give it a try.
Do not spread "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0" over the internet, thank you.
u r VARY gehy plz fix k thnx bye
I think Netscape shot itself in the foot when it released Netscape 6.0 w/o LDAP support. The clueless leaders haven't even heard of Mozilla, and they don't know LDAP support has returned, and that roaming profile support is in development. So now they are back in Microsoft's pocket, going to Outlook w/ Exchange to replace the LDAP features they think are missing in Netscape (Navigator?) 6.x. Yeah, they don't even realize it is just "Netscape" now, and should be called "Communicator" if anything else.
GNUTELLA URL:m ozilla-win32-1.1b-installer.exe/ Q A5&dn=mozilla-win32-1.1b-installer.exe
5 PS4QA5.SPSSPXIBDT3665WC4CVDWULYHD6JPSGBOOEYAZI
... uh, oh.. somebody doesn't have a MAGNET or GNUTELLA supported Gnutella client? Look's like somebody needs Shareaza ;)
gnutella://sha1:WS6E5RWNP2AYFTTE5ZJI2QB675PS4QA5/
OR MAGNET:
magnet:?xt=urn:sha1:WS6E5RWNP2AYFTTE5ZJI2QB675PS4
VIEW BITZI TICKET:
http://bitzi.com/lookup/WS6E5RWNP2AYFTTE5ZJI2QB67
Hopefully by the time Mozilla 2 comes around, they'll have gotten rid of X and written a new GUI, ala BeOS or Aqua for Mac OS X.
i wish i was left out. i would be happy to have the antialiasing fonts turned off. so i turned if off system wide on OSX. i squint less now.
bleah. anyway, haven't you heard? the linux desktop is dead. i'm more worried about having usuable applications on linux than weither the fonts are anti-aliased or not.
bah. start over
At low resolutions this can work against you. Infact, because of this problem, people hand-hint fonts at low-resolutions to exagerate the features and make them more readable. They change the vector to suit the bitmap rendering.
The point is that anti-aliasing can make a font more blurry than necessary. If a letter has a straight line it would best represented with a solid line of black, not with a solid line of black with a few greys on the edge, regardless of how "true" this rendering would be.
So anti-aliasing is intelligent bluring, and it's great most of the time, but the blurring ain't so intelligent.
--Giving to trolls for the benefit of us all
Now that MathML is in Mozilla, we're all waiting for SVG. Too bad it's not in the beta.
There is a SVG enabled build for Windows, but not for Linux )-;
DNA is the ultimate spaghetti code.
Linux on the desktop is dead because X sucks. Sure, if you're an engineer or a sysadmin, it works great. But if you're Joe Shmoe, the last thing you want to do is try to figure out why the hell you're KDE-enabled App won't run on a machine with only Gnome libraries, and how to get those KDE libs, and how the hell to update X fonts.
X is awful.
You werent at last weeks meeting? Theres been a change of plans.
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
Three of the things I could care the least about.
mozilla; ick.
I've been using 1.1A and the nightlies (now 1.1b) as my default browser on OS X. For "bleeding edge," it sure is stable. I've had ZERO crashes. It's pretty quick in the Classic skin (which best matches the OS X desktop, anyway).
Yeah, the Aqua anti-aliased fonts are silky smooth. Mozilla looks as good as OmniWeb now, and renders better.
It would be nice to see translucent drop-down menus from the toolbar. Chimera has this running already in 0.3. I see 0.4 is imminent, by the way.
Mozilla has done a marvelous job with the OS X port. I haven't touched IE 5 in months. Moz is now by far the best browser for the platform.
Thanks, Mozilla hackers.
This is my post. There are many others like it. If you don't like what you read here, go try one of the others.
As a full-time Mozilla user (including mail and news) it is good that they are moving to 1.1. I'm not really interested in Beta testing and endless /. posts about RC1, RC2, RC3 are a bit of a yawn to be honest, can't someone mod Timothy down :-). Still it will be really cool when they get to 1.1, I still have 1 or two annoying bugs like not being able to enter a URL sometimes or total system lockups on NT.
That said it is far and away a better browser than IE , I have much more control over what the browser does - now I can surf without getting bizziollions of pr0n sites popping up all over the place. Plays havock with the corporate browser log.... pointy haired manager comes by - "David, from the logs you surfed 27 porn sites between 10.33 and 10.55 on Wednesday morning". Doh!
But what is Mozilla's market share? Still almost zero. From my web site this was the breakdown for June (see below). This is from a ski website. So until Netscape breaks the desktop monolopy and starts getting pre-installed the road to market share looks very long indeed.
(www.pistehors.com - June 2002)
Microsoft 6.0 35.88 %
Microsoft 5.5 16.87 %
Microsoft 5.01 11.17 %
Microsoft 5.0 9.14 %
Netscape 5.0 7.87 %
Microsoft 4.01 4.46 %
Netscape 4.79 1.75 %
Netscape Compatible 2.0 1.59 %
Netscape 4.77 1.54 %
Netscape Compatible 3.01 1.27 %
Netscape 4.7 1.17 %
Netscape 4.76 1.12 %
Netscape 4.75 0.92 %
Netscape 4.78 0.80 %
Microsoft 5.13 0.65 %
Netscape 4.5 0.57 %
Netscape 6.2.1 0.48 %
Netscape 6.2 0.37 %
Netscape 4.72 0.27 %
Microsoft 4.5 0.27 %
Netscape Compatible 5.0 0.25 %
Netscape 4.61 0.22 %
Microsoft 5.14 0.20 %
Netscape 4.73 0.18 %
Netscape 4.6 0.15 %
Netscape 6.1 0.15 %
Netscape 6.2.2 0.10 %
Netscape 4.08 0.08 %
Netscape 4.51 0.08 %
Opera 6.01 0.05 %
Microsoft 5.12 0.03 %
Netscape 4.71 0.03 %
Netscape 4.74 0.03 %
ia_archiver 0.03 %
Netscape 4.06 0.03 %
Netscape 6.2.3 0.02 %
Netscape Compatible 4.0 0.02 %
Netscape Compatible 4.5 0.02 %
Netscape 3.01 0.02 %
Netscape Compatible 3.04 0.02 %
Netscape 4.04 0.02 %
Opera 6.0 0.02 %
Opera 5.0 0.02 %
iCab/2.7.1 0.02 %
Netscape 6.01 0.02 %
Netscape 6.0 0.02 %
Netscape 4.0 0.02 %
Netscape 3.0 0.02 %
If a bug is reported numerous times, it gives the engineers a feel for how widespread the problem is. Also, since components are usually fairly fine-grained, the engineer who screens the components bugs can usually locate dups fairly quickly.
Does it compile on PS2 linux yet ?
Electronic Music Made Using Linux http://soundcloud.com/polyp
It was actually spelled 'zuul'.
I want to take this opportunity to pimp the imho hottest invention since sliced bread : gesture based browsing. Ok, maybe not the hottest, but certainly the most surprising; when I first heard of this, it sounded like one of those typical academic nutty ideas that all look great on a whiteboard, but are just a pain IRL (Black and White, anyone ?). But after trying it out for a month, I can say it just seriously, totally, completely, ROCKS. In fact, it is so good that I find myself trying to use gestures for regular windows stuff. Especially stuff like Minimize and Back would be really good to have systemwide, so you can just sweep a file explorer away rather than go aiming for that little '_' button..
The gestures are also a big convenience when you extensively use tabbed browsing.
In short.. if, like me, you thought this was a totally useless pet project of some academic... you're wrong. Get it now.
its in there, but you have to enable it when you build. the reason they are not using it because of a licencing issue which you can read about at the mozilla site.
there is also a plug in from adobe but it doesnt seem to work as good for the subset that the native support does handle.
i was quite annoyed by this behaviour as well (no context menu on images, makes browsing pr0n rather unpleasant), but with just a handfull of hints, everybody can alter this behaviour. .zip and unzip it. .
requirements: jar/unzip and a text editor.
mozilla/chrome/comm.jar needs to be unpacked, maintaining the directory structure. you can either use jar (part of at least sun's jdk) or rename it to
in the unzipped tree, edit content/communicator/nsContextMenu.js
alter the conditions in line 97 to match your preferences (mine are this.showItem( "context-back", !( this.onLink || this.onTextInput ) ); for example).
save, re-archive (maintaining directory structure) and enjoy.
Saving a file appends the mime type extension, all those nice larlar.tgz.gz's or larlar.tgz.txt's
The name mangeling problem
lar lar.tgz turns into lar%20lar.tgz
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Does this one support authorisation with an ISA proxy?
I'm sick of being stuck with IE in the office simply because the IT department have been assimilated.
The months are just too short. I can count the number of days on one hand.
I'm currently running Mozilla 1.0 with XFT (Available here: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/experim ental/xft/Red_Hat_7x_RPMS/1.0/SRPMS/), and it is just excellent. The font smoothing provided by XFT makes Mozilla look just amazing. (if you've never seen it, there is a nice screenshot available here) So, here is my question:
Is there anyway to upgrade Mozilla while still keeping the XFT core?? I think even doing a rpm -Uvh will overwrite the XFT portion and give me a nice, new 1.1b with crumbly looking fonts again, which I don't want to do. If anyone has any idea on how I can do this, please let me know. Thanks!!
Does anyone else notice this problem? I don't like it and I want to make the GUI font size as big as in version 1.0. How to make it smaller?
The same thing was said 2 years ago in this link2 8&mode=nested&tid=154
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/07/31/12272
then return again in 2 years with the same FUD.
I would like the tab buttons on the right side of the screen.
There's just something that still bothers me... Why does he have to remove the /usr/local/mozilla? (net installer at least) He could at least remove everything, but not the plugins directory...
If someone forgets to save the plugins, it's a little bitxy to go over and search for them again...
7 future suicide bombers were stopped today before they could kill more civilians.
Hmmmm.... Sounds like PreCrime from Minority Report.
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
Sorry, but get used to reality. No more binaries.
One thing that disturbs me is the way the Mozilla team treats serious errors. For instance if you imported mail groups from NS4 into NS6 (Yes, I know that is Netscape, but I am here talking about the Mozilla core and this was mentioned in their error database, do read on) all folders (yes entire folders) were dropped. No joking.
Later on I caught an error report on Mozilla site that stated that if you importeda folder where there was an instance of blank subject line the entire folder would be quietly dropped. In next release this serious error ws not mentioned that it was fixed, as if it had never happened!
What I would like to have seen was full disclosure and a tool to help you import back in the folders that were dropped. And yes, I have lost folders too.
Folders are still fragile; if your session crashes (and that is not rare) and you were in Mail/News, the News databases become messed up. Read/unread articles are marked as should be but thread count is way off. And there is NO WAY TO REPAIR. Obvious try, pressing shift-ctrl-C to do a catch up does not work.
All in all there are errors that are serious and when they are fixed there is little mention of them.
I would like to see full disclosure.
Hrm. As I write this, the parent (grandparent?) post has been moderated +5 funny which is exactly as it should be. I think the distribution allows for whatever reason that exists in the "common person" (or in this case the common slashdotter, which is already highly uncommon) to outweigh the incompetence. I think the moderation system, as fucked up as it is sometimes, is the best way I've ever seen of trying to do something like this. In the end, interesting and insightful comments do get modded up, and the discussions are usually a joy to read at +3 or above. If you're going to bitch about the moderation system here, at least offer concrete suggestions for improvement.
This is one thing I've wondered about for a long time. Why is code for the MacOS (even more so for MacOS X, based on Mozilla) so much bigger than equivalent code for other platforms? I mean, 9.8 MB for Windows, but 13 for MacOS and 16 for MacOS X? Sheesh.
Constitutionally Correct
URLs using telnet:// do not work in Linux (and possibly other UNIX systems). telnet:// URLs work for Win32 and MacOS. Workaround: Install protozilla
from http://protozilla.mozdev.org/. (Bug 33282)
please fix this damned bug!
I have been using Sun's JRE without a problem. So, I kinda reccomend it. Basically I can have the same environment in linux and windows with Mozilla with it.
http://java.sun.com
Norris/Palin 2012
Fact: We deserve leaders who can kick your ass and field dress your carcass.
Am I the only one to find Mozilla very, very nice in theory, but still very, very slow on Linux? I use Netscape Mail, and the Mozilla version takes forever to bring up the windows. I don't have a particularly slow workstation - unless 450 MHz K6 with 512 Mb RAM is now seen as insufficient for Mozilla (while being perfectly sufficient for everything else I do, including development). I see lots of people talking about how great Mozilla is, and I agree totally, it's just that it still seems sooooo slooowwww! Is it just because the entire user interface is now written using this XUL language? Will it always be slow? Sorry, but I keep finding myself just going back to 4.79, just because it's fast and very responsive. Is this just me?
Plain and simple, Mozilla does use up more memory than IE6. I still prefer using Mozilla, but I think they should spend some more time on looking at their memory usage. This would be an improvement that I would put at the top of my list.
A slightly darker version I did before seeing your post.
Anyone else curious why this is the first Mozilla release I've seen in awhile that didn't have a source tarball in the release directory somewhere?
Example: PCMCIA cards were renamed PC-cards. That was after someone reinterpred it as People Cannot Memorise Computer Industry Acronyms.
This is a little bit old, but I am very glad that Mozilla has been recognized by eWeek. They had a nice review (see the link above) and I do agree with the author: there is nothing that Mozilla lacks (compared to the existing browsers). The only thing that I'd like to see in the future is anti-aliased fonts!
Al Qaeda has ninjas!
Of course, PreCrime did prevent all murders, you know...
-Erwos
Plausible conjecture should not be misrepresented as proof positive.
I use mozilla all the time, you know why? Because no matter what computer I'm on, I can run it.
Not if the computer is a school-issue P100 with 24 MB of RAM.
Not if you don't have the admin password, and the admin has configured your account not to run binaries from /home.
Will I retire or break 10K?
How are large corporations supposed to deploy this without a silent installer?
mozdev.org should have one. The site is real slow now, however.
dumbass.
TEXTAREA wrapping still doesnt work. the OBJECT tag for applets still doesnt work and mozilla has no way to turn off its built in firewall (to see this in action go to http://localhost:6000) from the preferences menu.
You're an old Slashdot regular - aren't you?
One of those people that likes to read Slashdot every day (or multiple times a day), participate in the discussions (usually loudly and proudly), and derive great pleasure from complaining about how bad Slashdot is these days.
How about having the option to disable "paste" on middle click in Linux? Every time I close a tab by middle clicking on it, Moz thinks I just pasted into the location bar, damn annoying..
the last thing you want to do is try to figure out why the hell you're KDE-enabled App won't run on a machine with only Gnome libraries
Wha? This isn't even a function of X! This has nothing to do with X at all. If you want to say X sucks - that's fine, provide some examples. But just spouting off shit makes you look like an idiot.
Regardless of whether you use X or Aqua or even WINDOWS you still have to have all the libraries installed for whatever app you want to run. Don't you remember the days of installing the visual basic runtimes in windows because some shareware app didn't work??
This is a universal problem with dynamically linked libraries, the only way to get around it is to hard link and that creates HUGE programs - which is not very conducive to the linux theory of "download everything" - and is very wasteful of hardrive space.
Next time you want to bash an established (and working!) standard - why don't you try to come up with some better examples.
Derek
Oh... I get it... you mean *after* Microsoft RIPPED OFF SUN'S STARTOFFICE butterfly the picture becomes a whole "linux eats MS" thing...
...hehe, I get it now...
(begin angry flaming sarcasm)
Does it run with all my
(end angry flaming sarcasm)
GO TEAM GO! That browser gets better and better. Wish I was smart enough to contribute, the product is oh so sweet! It was what helped me Switch(TM, Apple Corp.) to Linux years ago... all I wanted was a good brower and it was the one I likes (sure, Konq is good too, DOWN BOY!)
:(
The DAY it works with Citibank online, I'll Switch(TM, Apple Corp.) But I can't send the moz team the URL that doesn't work, cause it's only AFTER I login and go to the main balance screen. I e-mailed and got a reply from Citibank developent manager (after TONS of requests to get an e-mail from an actualy programmer there). To paraphrase citibank, "We only check out stuff in Explorer and Netscape. We don't test any other browers."
Sad... I have thought about moving my money to a more Unix friendsly bank, but citibank online is just too good in current IE needing form for me to Switch(TM, Apple Corp.)
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141279
Reproducible: Always
Steps to Reproduce:
1.go to hotmail
2.choose create new account
3.
Actual Results: unable to sign up
Expected Results: message telling me to use netscape 4.0 or higher or IE
The wheel is turning, but the hamster is dead.
I like the Mozilla Windows email client enough to use it day-to-day, despite its many problems. Except that it still has those damn memory leaks! I like to leave it running for the new-mail-notify feature, but after a couple hours it gets totally slugish-thrashy and has to be restarted. You'd think this problem would get a higher priority!
Mozilla mis-renders pages in OS X 10.1.5 on my Dual G4 all the time. I'd say about one out of seven pages loads improperly, not because the site isn't standards-compliant, but because Mozilla's rendering engine doesn't play nice. I'm talking about the white spaces that appear after you resize a window, only to be filled in with content when you scoll the window. Stupid, retarded crap like that.
Also, everyone raves about the ability to kill popups. But they don't rave about all the links that just do nothing when you click on them because Mozilla isn't smart enough to follow popup links in the same window. Or what about all the links that open new windows, but then just hang indefinitely? I'd be asking for a whole lot more than goddamn arabic letters if I were a Mozilla user. It sucks so bad, I'm using IE again.
And another thing: Mozilla has learned *nothing* since Netscape 4. What is with that clumsy profile manager? It still runs like a goddamn add-on that isn't properly integrated. And don't even get me started on the *IDIOTIC* layout of the preference panels in Mozilla, which are another unwelcome hold over from Netscape. It's actually amazingly depressing how crummy Mozilla turned out to be. You only think it's good because it's not made by Microsoft. Your idea of good is tainted by Microsoft's mediocrity.
And what is with that childish splash screen? I can almost see where the geek used photoshop's finger tool to make the dragon's firebreath effect. Grow up. And what about the agonizingly long time Mozilla takes to start up? It's probably loading Chatzilla and the fucking email client that no one wants, needs or uses. Mozilla is a profound failure.
I doubt. The release date for 1.1 beta was july 10, and it is 23rd already.
Good for them they aren't students (or lawyers, ou journalists), and they can stretch their deadlines at will.
Where can I find Redhat 7.3 RPM's for Mozilla 1.1b? I would of expected these to be provided like 1.0.
On Windows I try to always run Talkback builds so I can at least report crashes...
But on OS X there is no option to download a talkback build. Does anyone know why that would be?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
You can get an open-source spellchecker at mozdev.org that works with some Mozilla releases but I'm not sure if they've updated it to work with 1.1beta.
Um, why should it need updating to work with 1.1beta? I thought the whole point of the 1.0 release was to freeze the API so that they work across all 1.x versions! If the spellchecker works with 1.0, shouldn't it work with 1.1beta, out of the box? (If not, then what was the point of the API freeze?)
Deven
"Simple things should be simple, and complex things should be possible." - Alan Kay
I assume that the name Venkman is associated with the Venkman character in the movie, Ghostbusters.
Wasn't there some kind of ugly ass monster in the movie that was controlled by this evil dude/dudette called "Zuul"?
XUL = Zuul? Coincidence?
patience. tarball coming soon. it's always a little b it later than the binaries.
--Asa
Couldn't the (browser's) toolbars be similarily set up, so they could be rearrageable and floatable?
Then all I'd need would be:
I've been running Mozilla 1.0 under Windows 98SE, and although the system is rather stable under IE 6 and Opera 5, Mozilla 1.0 tends to crash alot. This is on a system with 256 megs of memory, 1.13Ghz Athlon Processor, and a 40 gig primary drive.
Other open source software (apache, the Gimp, OpenOffice) runs fine on the system, but Mozilla keeps crashing on 'simple' web pages, even when I'm browsing offline! Does anyone who use win32 and Moz 1.1Beta have some feedback on the stability?
...it's FARK.COM!
than sufficient. It won't work in all cases, but I wanted to know if any other Mac users thought that the "Find in this page" dialog ought to be modeless...sure enough- there were at least two reports already. The search terms: "mac find". A little common sense here will go a long way toward helping the development team. I realize that this simplicity won't work in all cases, but it probably will work more than people realize.
that was the funniest thing i've read all day!!
I have some various problems with Mozilla, but for the most part I like it a lot better than IE. Unfortunately, the Mail and News part is either lacking basic functionality or is just plain buggy. Maybe these issues are already in bugzilla, or I'm just too stupid to figure out a simple feature.
Mail and News passwords:
I've never been able to log onto a news server with Mozilla. Supposedly it's supposed to ask you for a username/password when you create the news account, but what if it doesn't? There's no place in the account options to set one. With mail accounts, if you change the password on the account (by other means), Mozilla just chokes when you try and log on with the old one and gives you no option to provide the correct password. There's no "wrong password, please enter correct one" dialogue, it just doesn't do anything. The account options area has a spot for a username, but not one for a password. I guess I could delete the account from Mozilla and recreate it every time I change my password, but that's stupid. Outlook Express will prompt for the correct user/pass if you don't log on properly, is it too much to ask for Mozilla to do that?
Am I missing something very simple to solve these issues? I'd really appreciate some help if so.
I hope this still is read, but dies anybody know if it's possible to tweak the right-mouse-button-menu?
;)
I noticed that the options 'open in new tab' and 'open in new window' are switched, but I liked the 1.0 order (tab first) and I really want to undo the newer order.
No, no, no, I don't want to downgrade to the 1.0 version
Privacy is terrorism.
... back on v1.0. Cool, but it made Mozilla crash a lot. Many talkbacks submitted.
...
Gestures got uninstalled in under two hours, after which Moz never crashed again.
Hope things work better in 1.1b
Every time I close a tab by middle clicking on it, Moz thinks I just pasted into the location bar, damn annoying..
I think that bug was fixed in Mozilla 1.1 beta. I haven't checked because I use Windows. If it isn't fixed for you in Mozilla 1.1 beta, please add a comment to bug 107147.
How about having the option to disable "paste" on middle click in Linux?
Adding a pref is usually not a good way to fix a bug, partly because only a few users will find the pref and partly because each pref added makes other prefs harder to find. If we add that pref, it won't be because of a bug related to the feature.
The shareholder is always right.
i like cunt
....this is one thing I haven't seen mentioned, and yet it's there. This is a godsend for those of us still cursed with narrowband.
There is such a pref. See all.js in the Mozilla installation, search for "middle".
This bug is still not fixed in 1.1b, however the fix appears to be on track for the next release.
You really showed me! Here a few points to clarify:
1. I'm using M1.
2. The fact remains that Mozilla doesn't handle the situation. If it doesn't work, tell me why. Don't just sit there and try to force a square peg into a round hole. Basic rule of HCI.
3. Properly integrated means that user profiles are not a kludgey modal dialogue box that appears at the start of each new session.
4. The preference panes suck. Just take the "Advanced" preferences, for instance. Under "Advanced" are a bunch of sub-items: Scripts, Caches, Proxies, etc. First of all, you need to click on the expansion arrow just to see these (mildly lame). Now, explain to me why enabling Javascript is under "Scripts and Windows" when there is a box in the "Advanced" pane that is titled "Enable features that help interpret web pages" for enabling Java. Wouldn't you expect to find these items on the same pane? Sure, there's some idiotic reason that they're not together, but that doesn't change the fact that they should be. There's about 1000 pixels of unused space on the "Advanced" pane that could be used to roll up other items that (arbitrarily) appear in the sub-panes. And what is the point of having sub-panes, when the parent pane has options, too. Why not make the parent empty and put the options in the sub-panes? It's not as if the parent pane options affect the options in the sub-pane. It's just plain dumb and counter-intuitive, which is what "function over form" people like you never understand. Mainly because your sole sense of indentity is based on the fact that you are able to interpret dumb counter-intuitive crap like the hierarchy of preference panes in Mozilla. Yay for you.
5. It is slow on OS X on a dual g4. It's slow on a P4 is W2k, too. It's slow to start up. And that splashscreen is embarassingly lame. Again, something you proudly identify yourself with. You probably wear Tevas and free convention t-shirts, too, so what's the point of me even bothering.
I was about to reply and give you another refutation, but after reading your smartass remark about the splash screen on point 5, I've arrived at the conclusion that doing so is futile. Maybe when you grow up I'll be able to tolerate you.
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