Mouse gestures, tabbed browsing, an excellent tool for organizing bookmarks, high speed, the ability to turn off JS entirely, and a good ability for organizing tabs.
So you counter my list of must-have extensions with a bunch of completely unrelated functionality?
Why?
The vast majority of the people I deal with don't need...
Ahh, I see, so because you judge that Opera's weaker implementation of this functionality is good enough, those extensions aren't necessary.
Uhuh.
Frankly, I don't know who the hell you're talking to. Something tells me the set of people who value FF extensions intersected with the set of people who "don't need" AdBlock+ and/or NoScript is pretty frickin' tiny, given both communities are comprised of power-users.
Yes, after they were caught editing the video. You may think that's fine. I don't.
Now, since you say editing is bad, tell me of one news item you've seen where you were showed video that was not edited
Woah woah... so you're saying Wikileaks is under no obligation to rise above the likes of FOX News and MSNBC? Really??
And that's ignoring the fact that Wikileaks *isn't a news organization*. They've said so themselves *multiple* times. Furthermore, editing releases like that flies right in the face of their very mission, and is *deeply* hypocritical.
Frankly, I'm shocked you're even trying to justify this behaviour.
They list what they want, I demonstrate that Opera has all that built in
No, you list capabilities that pale in comparison. I've seen this over and over again. NoScript? AdBlock? Vimperator? Yup, there are weak, pale replicas of this functionality for Opera, but they suck compared to the real thing.
Imagine that you were just imagining that this might happen.
This *did* happen, you ignorant fucktard. This isn't just some made up hypothetical rhetoric, it's reality. Informants in Afghanistan were outed because of Wikileaks' irresponsible behaviour.
No, by editing video before releasing it. If wikileaks is about leaking information so the truth can be heard, it behooves them to release the *whole* truth, not just the parts they think are the most titillating.
Frankly, the stock Opera gives me everything I need in a browser. Why do I need extensions again?
*You* clearly don't.
But let's say some guy comes along and insists that his browser should provide functionality X, Y, and Z. Would you prefer the stock browser get bloated with all those extra features you don't want? Or would you rather they be externalized and made optional through, oh I don't know, some kind of extension mechanism?
I don't get it. I suppose this is nice if it gets people to use Opera, but honestly... if that's your excuse, there's probably a better reason you're using something else.
I think you're misunderstanding the answer.
"Because it doesn't have EXTENSIONS!"
Is not the answer. The answer is "Because it doesn't provide functionality that I can get through extensions for [browser X]".
Hell, the question you should be asking is, why *wouldn't* you want extensions? It allows you to add the features *you* want, without bloating the browser with features other people want that you don't care about.
Tradition, momentum, and the fact that it occupies a very specific niche (large, low-level, high-performance applications). But taken on its own, you could do far far better than C++.
Hell, by your logic, Windows must be the greatest operating system in the history of computing.
Multi-paradigm does not imply "best tool for everyone and for every problem". I'd never write a quick text processor in C++, and I'd never write a kernel in Perl. But I might write a mixture of object-oriented, functional, and traditional procedural code in either one.
Looks delicious, though I'm skeptical of a 3-day marinade in an acidic solution, as that would substantially break down the protein and ruin the texture of the meat. Seems more reasonable to do four to six hours, tops.
Yeah, but that requires, like, work and stuff! I want to just get a rabbit around easter time, throw it in a cage, and then forget about it! Isn't that what pets are for?
I wouldn't go that far. They are horrible pets for children, simply because of stark personality incompatibilities, but I have two rabbits that are both extremely friendly. A lot of people think they're just getting a cat with long ears, when in fact the differences are much deeper.
Absolutely.
The real problem is that when someone says "horrible pet", they mean "horrible pet because it's not like a dog or cat". They can't grasp the concept of being the caretaker for an animal simply for the sake of it.
Rabbits are *not* cuddly, though they do love being petted (I had one who would nip at your toes just so you'd pet her with your feet). They hate being picked up (you would, too, if you were a pray animal, where being "picked up" usually meant as a meal for a predator of some kind). They don't have human-like facial expressions or familiar body language (again, they're pray animals, and it goes down deep in their psyche). And to top it off, they can develop some challenging health problems (abscesses can kill a rabbit, teeth/bite problems, hip and spinal issues, head tilt, etc, etc). But they can make wonderful pets *if* you know what you're getting in to and are willing to accept them for what they are, rather than what you want them to be.
As an aside, it's nice to hear from another competent rabbit owner. Unfortunately, far too many rabbits are sold to people who have no idea what they're getting in to...
If you let them chew on a cable or wire with a little but of current running through it, the rabbit usually stops chewing on wires. Our family had rabbits as pets for a while. One of them liked to chew wires. He chewed the lamp wires. After the shock, he stopped chewing on the wires.
And that, dear friends, is why most people shouldn't be allowed to own pets in general, and rabbits in particular.
There's a process *all* prospective rabbit owners should go through before bring a rabbit into their home, and it's called rabbit-proofing. Typically this means hiding all exposed cables, and basically anything else at ground level that you don't want nibbled on (the same is true of kittens and puppies, by the way).
'course, your average rabbit owner is a careless twat who sees rabbits as little more than large hamsters, so I'm hardly surprised many don't bother doing this...
Which doesn't mean it's not unsecured. It just means that it's unsecured on purpose.
Not quite. I have two WAPs, one with WPA2-PSK connected to my internal LAN with a ridiculously long key, another open and isolated in a DMZ with very limited access to my LAN. As such, while the WAP isn't locked down, I'd argue it is secured.
You mean jailbroke it. Yes, that's what you did. You use a different term so it hides the fact that your phone is no better than an iDevice, but in the end, you hacked your phone to get around carrier lockdown.
Here in the western world, we have this thing called "Christmas", whereby individuals purchase unnecessary material items for their family members in a belated attempt to demonstrate how loving and thoughtful they are. Due to the obviously lucrative nature of this holiday, "hot" products are often delayed until the Christmas purchasing orgy, which commences some time after American Thanksgiving. As such, expect to see Avatar on the store shelves by December at the latest.
Ahh, the hipster geek strikes again... "it's popular, therefore it's bad, and people are stupid, and baaaaah baaah! Now if you'll excuse me, I have to return to my underground trance music and my Gentoo box."
My pie-in-the-sky idea is a micromirror array, fed by three-colour lasers, that'll illuminate the eye's pupil with the correct pattern for each eye, with tracking of the pupil locations
Someone's been masturbating to Snow Crash again...
Slashdot Mirror
Most of the thieves I've known in my life weren't stealing because they lacked opportunity.
Two words for you: selection bias.
However, we need to care for the needy first.
Communist! Class warfare! Hitler!
Do the same for scrap metal dealers what they do here for pawnshops. Put a four week hold on all payments.
Huh, sounds like it's time to get into the scrap metal fencing business...
The only concrete example I've ever seen was one local warlord who was named and later killed.
Oh, well, if you've only heard of one person being murdered because of the actions of Wikileaks, it mustn't be an issue... ::rollseyes::
Mouse gestures, tabbed browsing, an excellent tool for organizing bookmarks, high speed, the ability to turn off JS entirely, and a good ability for organizing tabs.
So you counter my list of must-have extensions with a bunch of completely unrelated functionality?
Why?
The vast majority of the people I deal with don't need...
Ahh, I see, so because you judge that Opera's weaker implementation of this functionality is good enough, those extensions aren't necessary.
Uhuh.
Frankly, I don't know who the hell you're talking to. Something tells me the set of people who value FF extensions intersected with the set of people who "don't need" AdBlock+ and/or NoScript is pretty frickin' tiny, given both communities are comprised of power-users.
They did release the whole video
Yes, after they were caught editing the video. You may think that's fine. I don't.
Now, since you say editing is bad, tell me of one news item you've seen where you were showed video that was not edited
Woah woah... so you're saying Wikileaks is under no obligation to rise above the likes of FOX News and MSNBC? Really??
And that's ignoring the fact that Wikileaks *isn't a news organization*. They've said so themselves *multiple* times. Furthermore, editing releases like that flies right in the face of their very mission, and is *deeply* hypocritical.
Frankly, I'm shocked you're even trying to justify this behaviour.
They list what they want, I demonstrate that Opera has all that built in
No, you list capabilities that pale in comparison. I've seen this over and over again. NoScript? AdBlock? Vimperator? Yup, there are weak, pale replicas of this functionality for Opera, but they suck compared to the real thing.
Imagine that you were just imagining that this might happen.
This *did* happen, you ignorant fucktard. This isn't just some made up hypothetical rhetoric, it's reality. Informants in Afghanistan were outed because of Wikileaks' irresponsible behaviour.
No, by editing video before releasing it. If wikileaks is about leaking information so the truth can be heard, it behooves them to release the *whole* truth, not just the parts they think are the most titillating.
Frankly, the stock Opera gives me everything I need in a browser. Why do I need extensions again?
*You* clearly don't.
But let's say some guy comes along and insists that his browser should provide functionality X, Y, and Z. Would you prefer the stock browser get bloated with all those extra features you don't want? Or would you rather they be externalized and made optional through, oh I don't know, some kind of extension mechanism?
I don't get it. I suppose this is nice if it gets people to use Opera, but honestly... if that's your excuse, there's probably a better reason you're using something else.
I think you're misunderstanding the answer.
"Because it doesn't have EXTENSIONS!"
Is not the answer. The answer is "Because it doesn't provide functionality that I can get through extensions for [browser X]".
Hell, the question you should be asking is, why *wouldn't* you want extensions? It allows you to add the features *you* want, without bloating the browser with features other people want that you don't care about.
Ever wondered why?
Tradition, momentum, and the fact that it occupies a very specific niche (large, low-level, high-performance applications). But taken on its own, you could do far far better than C++.
Hell, by your logic, Windows must be the greatest operating system in the history of computing.
Multi-paradigm does not imply "best tool for everyone and for every problem". I'd never write a quick text processor in C++, and I'd never write a kernel in Perl. But I might write a mixture of object-oriented, functional, and traditional procedural code in either one.
Looks delicious, though I'm skeptical of a 3-day marinade in an acidic solution, as that would substantially break down the protein and ruin the texture of the meat. Seems more reasonable to do four to six hours, tops.
Yeah, but that requires, like, work and stuff! I want to just get a rabbit around easter time, throw it in a cage, and then forget about it! Isn't that what pets are for?
I wouldn't go that far. They are horrible pets for children, simply because of stark personality incompatibilities, but I have two rabbits that are both extremely friendly. A lot of people think they're just getting a cat with long ears, when in fact the differences are much deeper.
Absolutely.
The real problem is that when someone says "horrible pet", they mean "horrible pet because it's not like a dog or cat". They can't grasp the concept of being the caretaker for an animal simply for the sake of it.
Rabbits are *not* cuddly, though they do love being petted (I had one who would nip at your toes just so you'd pet her with your feet). They hate being picked up (you would, too, if you were a pray animal, where being "picked up" usually meant as a meal for a predator of some kind). They don't have human-like facial expressions or familiar body language (again, they're pray animals, and it goes down deep in their psyche). And to top it off, they can develop some challenging health problems (abscesses can kill a rabbit, teeth/bite problems, hip and spinal issues, head tilt, etc, etc). But they can make wonderful pets *if* you know what you're getting in to and are willing to accept them for what they are, rather than what you want them to be.
As an aside, it's nice to hear from another competent rabbit owner. Unfortunately, far too many rabbits are sold to people who have no idea what they're getting in to...
I'm not sure who is dumber, here, you or the rabbit. Did it never occur to you to just hide/protect your cables and pay a little bit of attention?
Like all animals above the size of a hamster, rabbits require regular exercise. Only assholes would keep their rabbit in a cage 24/7.
If you let them chew on a cable or wire with a little but of current running through it, the rabbit usually stops chewing on wires. Our family had rabbits as pets for a while. One of them liked to chew wires. He chewed the lamp wires. After the shock, he stopped chewing on the wires.
And that, dear friends, is why most people shouldn't be allowed to own pets in general, and rabbits in particular.
There's a process *all* prospective rabbit owners should go through before bring a rabbit into their home, and it's called rabbit-proofing. Typically this means hiding all exposed cables, and basically anything else at ground level that you don't want nibbled on (the same is true of kittens and puppies, by the way).
'course, your average rabbit owner is a careless twat who sees rabbits as little more than large hamsters, so I'm hardly surprised many don't bother doing this...
Which doesn't mean it's not unsecured. It just means that it's unsecured on purpose.
Not quite. I have two WAPs, one with WPA2-PSK connected to my internal LAN with a ridiculously long key, another open and isolated in a DMZ with very limited access to my LAN. As such, while the WAP isn't locked down, I'd argue it is secured.
Yesterday I rooted it
You mean jailbroke it. Yes, that's what you did. You use a different term so it hides the fact that your phone is no better than an iDevice, but in the end, you hacked your phone to get around carrier lockdown.
Here in the western world, we have this thing called "Christmas", whereby individuals purchase unnecessary material items for their family members in a belated attempt to demonstrate how loving and thoughtful they are. Due to the obviously lucrative nature of this holiday, "hot" products are often delayed until the Christmas purchasing orgy, which commences some time after American Thanksgiving. As such, expect to see Avatar on the store shelves by December at the latest.
Seriously does anyone really just sit still on the couch watching a movie or TV?
Yes, believe it or not, some people have attention spans that allow them to focus on a single activity for more than five minutes at a stretch...
Ahh, the hipster geek strikes again... "it's popular, therefore it's bad, and people are stupid, and baaaaah baaah! Now if you'll excuse me, I have to return to my underground trance music and my Gentoo box."
My pie-in-the-sky idea is a micromirror array, fed by three-colour lasers, that'll illuminate the eye's pupil with the correct pattern for each eye, with tracking of the pupil locations
Someone's been masturbating to Snow Crash again...