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Denver Airport Overrun by Car-Eating Rabbits

It turns out the soy-based wire covering on cars built after 2002 is irresistible to rodents. Nobody knows this better than those unlucky enough to park at DIA's Pikes Peak lot. The rabbits surrounding the area have been using the lot as an all-you-can-eat wiring buffet. Looks like it's time to break out The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.

278 comments

  1. Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

    I played bass with a drummer that lived far out in the country a few years ago. He was having problems with his brand new Matrix car and when we popped the hood, the spark plug cables leading to the distributor caps were gone. Completely.

    Someone was playing a prank on him and I asked him if anyone in his family wanted him stationary for some reason recently. Or perhaps he had upset a neighbor by playing drums late into the night?

    No, he told me, groundhogs stole into his garage and crawled up around the engine manifold and ate the cables. Now that was some Car Talk quality humor. I took him to a salvage yard to pick up used cables on the cheap -- the whole way there he described in great detail a groundhog leaving his garage with cables in tow. I figured he was playing quite the elaborate joke, had done something to the wires himself and was embarrassed to admit it or perhaps took more than just tea when he played drums.

    Guess I owe him an apology.

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    1. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by couchslug · · Score: 3, Funny

      Simple solution:

      Leave an open pan of glycol antifreeze out for a chaser. :)

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    2. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, thanks, you finally figured it out. Now, which car would you buy him?

    3. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow, thanks, you finally figured it out. Now, which car would you buy him?

      According to the article, anything made before 2002.

    4. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      And if someone's pet gets poisoned by it you'll have a chaser.

    5. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 5, Funny

      The old bacon-cheeseburger insulated wires were an even bigger problem.

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    6. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      The Matrix is plug on coil since they started making them. There is no distributer.

    7. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 4, Funny

      The old bacon-cheeseburger insulated wires were an even bigger problem.

      Except the problem there was cats with bad grammar.

    8. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by JustOK · · Score: 4, Funny

      LOL. I can haz catalytic converter?

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    9. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Simple solution:

      Leave an open pan of glycol antifreeze out for a chaser. :)

      If you have ever seen an animal die because they drank antifreeze that was left out/spilled, you wouldn't be saying this. (unless your just that heartless)

    10. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by drunkennewfiemidget · · Score: 2

      I love you guys.

    11. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      There is no distributer.

      That's what Neo told me!

    12. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by MikePikeFL · · Score: 1

      I actually just recently had some rodents- either mice or chipmunks- chew up the brand new wiring I had just replaced in my trailer. I was less than thrilled.

      I wasn't sure if they were attracted to it for bedding material, could "smell" the copper inside, or what. I guess this makes a whole lot more sense. On top of the gaping holes in the wiring, when it shorted out it blew a bulb or two making troubleshooting all the more painful after I traced and patched the wiring. I thought I had more breaches, but it was just a dang 'ole bulb. ;-)

      I am going two factor now- I have declared war on the rodents and I'm armoring my trailer wiring.

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    13. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because an animal's internal organs failing and dying a agonizing death is hilarious. :)

    14. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, because an animal's internal organs failing and dying a agonizing death is not hilarious. :(

      notice the small difference between a normal member of the human race and a filthy piece of fuck in need of extermination

    15. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I told a buddy of mine: "I read it for the comments" :)

    16. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      When it comes to my vehicle and damage caused by critters, well, I'm almost that heartless...

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    17. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're forgiven; it was your drummer. If he's anything like most drummers, you've already got a long list of stories that involve him getting a Darwin nomination. It's entirely reasonable that you just humored his gopher tale, and much more than likely that he's forgotten all about it.

    18. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 1

      Ah, but that won't necessarily solve it. One day I went out to my 1980 Volvo (which has 250,000 miles on it and runs great) and on startup the oil light was on. I popped the hood to check the oil. Full and no problem there. Then I looked down at the oil sensor area. ALL the insulation starting at the sensor end had been eaten off for about a foot and the wires were frayed. The wiring was shorting to the engine. I did a fix with electrical tape for the nonce. But then later that week I had more problems on other wires and these too traced back to eaten insulation, and even the electrical tape had been gnawed. In the end, it was rats. I had to sprinkle poison around and lay traps to stop them. They're not somebody's harmless little pets, and our pioneer ancestors would have thought for maybe 2 seconds before popping a .22 between their eyes.

    19. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by demonlapin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If your pet's drinking antifreeze out of my driveway, you're violating the leash laws. Keep your pet under control and off my property.

    20. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

      I imagine they are different reasons. Your insulation was taken to build a nest, the newer car is for nourishment. So you just need to find the nest, and you can have all your insulation back. New car, well it's wiring is crap.

    21. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by couchslug · · Score: 1, Troll

      I'm being as merciful as Nature, which kills the vast majority of life forms. Nature is far more ruthless than any human.

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    22. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by LateArthurDent · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm being as merciful as Nature, which kills the vast majority of life forms. Nature is far more ruthless than any human.

      Right, which is typically why we strive to do better than nature.

    23. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by minorproblem · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And this is why when we design substations most clients specify steel or brass wire Armour. If you leave a wire sitting there for long enough, something will try and chew through it. We actually had to stop installing Steel wire Armour cables laced with Peppers as they where causing OH&S issues. The cables in Questions weigh about 80kg per meter and so the blokes who where working on them would get quite sweaty while them and their apprentices held them in place and prepared them for termination. And then when they went to wipe the sweat off there face half way through preparing the cable for termination they would get pepper in their eyes. There are some nasty little critters for eating cable in the desert of Western Australia. These days if its an area known for having really bad termite problems, we will go for double brass Armour.

    24. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Hell, they don't even have a distributor, either!

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    25. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by treeves · · Score: 4, Funny

      And if your pet rabbit is at the airport, please come get it.
      Thanks,
      Denver International Airport

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    26. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure there are no leash laws on cats (the pet most likely to get into antifreeze). There are however laws covering the *safe* use of chemicals and poisons. Antifreeze may not be marketed as a poison, but neither is bleach.

    27. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      A neighbor of mine bought one of those new diesel engined cars that run on the old oil from deep fryers. When he went to start his car one morning he found a bunch of fat guys eating the fuel injectors.

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    28. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Leash laws are not often enforced upon cats, but that doesn't mean they don't apply.

    29. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by Ziwcam · · Score: 1

      The county I live in has a leash law for dogs, but cats are allowed to roam free.

    30. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and death to ANY living creature that dares enter my DOMAIN!

    31. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      Well, your being just as cruel to the language.

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    32. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by cffrost · · Score: 1

      If you have ever seen an animal die because they drank antifreeze that was left out/spilled, you wouldn't be saying this.

      Please elaborate.

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    33. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      You know, I don't want things to die. But I'm really fucking sick of the piles of dog shit, the dead circles where the dogs piss, and the dead cat in my own back yard because someone doesn't feel like restraining their 80 lb dogs. I wouldn't care if someone let a chihuahua run free, but funnily enough people always seem to keep those on a tight leash.

    34. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by gknoy · · Score: 1

      Camera + computer + water hose == water autoturret. Dogs might stay out of your yard if they were sprayed with a hose every time they came onto your grass.

      Your water bill might be high, and local pedestrians may not like you. Local kids would likely play with it. A sign on your yard to the effect of "No dogs allowed. Dogs on this yard will be sprayed percilessly with cold water." might help explain it. You probably also need to be a handier guy with garden and electronic equipment than I am.

    35. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Brilliant idea. Thankfully, I already have a sprinkler system, so the water bill should be manageable - I don't pay sewage charges on that line.

    36. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by GasparGMSwordsman · · Score: 1

      This very much depends on jurisdiction. Most "leash laws" only to apply to certain types of animals, notably dogs. In most jurisdictions there is no requirement for "safe animals" such as cats, gerbils, hamsters and the like.

      In addition, in the majority of the country such a deliberate act can turn into a cause of action by the animal's owner (including negligence charges). It can also be a crime to intentionally poison an animal as such, you can be charged with cruelty to animals in several States.

      To give a concrete example from my home State: If you were to leave out a pan of anti-freeze to intentionally poison a pest and my cat were to drink it and die, the following would be possible:

      *You could be charged with the class C felony cruelty to animals (as anti-freeze is a very inhumane poison and even has warnings on the label). This caries with it a hefty monetary fine (although I do not know the maximum) and up to 5 years in prison.

      *You would be financially responsible for any and all vet bills. Any associated costs would also be included. *You could be sued for emotional distress. This is not a small thing, I have a friend who works at Dove Louis Animal Hospital, she has told me of incidents where a very not-nice person did something similar, was sued. The judgment against that person (in Civil court) was over one quarter of a million dollars (including vet bills).

      In summary I just want to say that anyone who would do this to another living being is about as worthless as can be. That is in addition to the complete ignorance of the situation as a whole.

    37. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      My driveway. Your driveway may vary.

      By the way, what's the fine and jail time for the bitch who let her 80+ lb dogs roam the neighborhood, where they attacked and killed my cat in my yard? My neighbor's wife saw it happen. I didn't bother with the courts - I went over and told her that if I ever saw the dogs out, off leash, again, she'd find them in the same state I found my cat. And that plenty of the neighbors would testify that they were both menacing and unrestrained.

    38. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by Nerd4News · · Score: 1

      Many years ago, Grandpa got tired of dogs pissing on his garbage cans out by the garage. One Model A coil, an old car battery, some wire and a switch by the kitchen window gave Grandpa lots of entertainment during his retirement years. Most only got it once, a few twice. None ever did it a 3rd time.

    39. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good, you have just set yourself up for jail time again. Brilliant move.

      People should be responsible pet owners. That does not mean you get to kill and murder thins at will. Only assholes do that. Do us all a favor and stop being part of the problem.

    40. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Jail time for what? All I have to do is point out - truthfully - that I felt menaced on my own property and that the dogs made attacking moves. Self defense is always legitimate.

    41. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually that is not true. Self defense is when you are actually defending your self. It requires a hostile act to be in progress that endangers you. It is also limited to a reasonable response.

      What you describe is premeditated meaning it can not by definition be self-defense. It is also not limited to what is reasonable to protect your self. If someone threatens to hit you and in response you hunt him down and shoot him, you will be charged with a crime.

      If you felt menaced then take reasonable and LEGAL responses. There are animal control laws for a reason. Trying to justify your vigilante insanity is nothing but putting your self on a power trip.

      In your situation, why didn't you report it to the police? What about animal control? Either of those agencies (assuming you have a separate animal control agency) are more than capable of dealing with such instances. If your neighbor witnessed this then it is a very simple and CIVILIZED resolution.

      I guarantee that if your neighbor reported YOU to the police after you threatened her and her property (the dog) it will not be her that is in trouble. In addition, if it comes to a legal issue, you have pretty much screwed the pooch. You gave up any high-ground. Now both of you have committed morally bad and possibly criminal actions. Congratulations.

    42. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      The laws and culture are different in different places. I can assure you that the police and animal control where I live would do nothing of the sort. Not everyone lives in Portland or Austin.

    43. Re:Well, I Owe My Friend an Apology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure? From your comments you never looked into it did you. Way to act like an ass without ever looking into anything. Way to assume you know what you are talking about.

      Regardless about what your neighbor did, I guarantee you that if you live in the US, Canada or Britain then you set your self up for criminal charges if anything does ever happen to her dog.

      Please, DON'T take my word for it. Talk to an attorney/solicitor in your neck of the woods.

  2. Disappointment by Reilaos · · Score: 1

    I read the title and was expecting to see a setup for a new Godzilla sequel.

  3. Dear Tires: by halfEvilTech · · Score: 5, Funny

    Death awaits you all big nasty pointy teeth.

    1. Re:Dear Tires: by smitty777 · · Score: 1

      What, behind that rabbit?

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    2. Re:Dear Tires: by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 2, Funny

      It IS the rabbit!!!

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    3. Re:Dear Tires: by Cylix · · Score: 1

      You silly sod!

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    4. Re:Dear Tires: by Snufu · · Score: 1

      "On the count of three, we will coat the wiring harness with rabbit repellent. One... Two... Five!
      "Three sir."
      "Three!"

  4. Some have even become cannibalistic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Several rabbits were seen munching on a VW Rabbit.

    1. Re:Some have even become cannibalistic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rabbits are cannibalistic anyway. If they run out of food, they will kill and eat each other and do so long before they actually start to starve.

  5. !rodents by the_one_wesp · · Score: 5, Informative

    Rabbits are actually lagomorphs, not rodents. I realize that mice are mentioned as a problem too, but the number of references to rabbits as rodents is quite offensive.

    1. Re:!rodents by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well what else can you expect from humans? Honestly, marsupials can be so species-centric sometimes.

    2. Re:!rodents by Velcroman1 · · Score: 1

      Rabbits are actually lagomorphs, not rodents.

      I for one welcome our new lagomorphic overlords.

    3. Re:!rodents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Offensive!?! What are you? One of those dirty Lagomorphiles?

    4. Re:!rodents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rabbits are actually lagomorphs, not rodents.

      Ahh, so they're more closely related to peanuts, then?

    5. Re:!rodents by couchslug · · Score: 5, Funny

      "but the number of references to rabbits as rodents is quite offensive."

      I'd have posted a similar comment, but got stuck getting out of my fursuit.

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    6. Re:!rodents by Tetsujin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Rabbits are actually lagomorphs, not rodents.

      Who knew that Sam & Max would turn out to be so educational?

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    7. Re:!rodents by celticryan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Rabbits are actually lagomorphs, not rodents. I realize that mice are mentioned as a problem too, but the number of references to rabbits as rodents is quite offensive.

      But they are both Glires, so call it a wash.

    8. Re:!rodents by Ibiwan · · Score: 1

      I'm going to go out on a limb, here, and take a guess that you are, in fact, a White Person

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    9. Re:!rodents by ifrag · · Score: 1

      Mugu Mugu?

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    10. Re:!rodents by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Funny

      wassup Doc? You tell'em, doc!

    11. Re:!rodents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mind. Blown.

    12. Re:!rodents by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Since they mentioned both, thay should have used Glires.

      oh wait, no one cares.

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    13. Re:!rodents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, for a science article, that's not very scientific!

    14. Re:!rodents by MaWeiTao · · Score: 1

      A lagomorph sounds like something that will burst out of your chest and requires a team of space marines to take down.

    15. Re:!rodents by davidbrit2 · · Score: 1

      A lagomorph sounds like something that will burst out of your chest and requires a team of space marines to take down.

      Apparently you've never met my rabbits.

    16. Re:!rodents by bendytendril · · Score: 2, Informative

      I didn't know that. Thanks. I looked up lagomorphs on wikipedia and found that one of the differentiating characteristics bewteen lagomorphs and rodents is that lagomorphs have their scrotum in front of their penis. I guess that helps with hopping :)

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    17. Re:!rodents by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      That was the joke, human slashdotters mix up rodents and lagomorphs, so rabbit slashdotters mix up primates and marsupials.

      I guess it wasn't the best execution, so I won't say "woosh."

    18. Re:!rodents by nbauman · · Score: 1

      the number of references to rabbits as rodents is quite offensive.

      Is there something wrong with rodents, you insensitive clod? 8(:o-)E

    19. Re:!rodents by the_one_wesp · · Score: 1

      *play's that funky music*

    20. Re:!rodents by theBuddman · · Score: 1

      Actually, they are "varmints!"

    21. Re:!rodents by magbottle · · Score: 0

      It's amazing how quickly someone can make up a random name, write an associated wikipedia article and whip up various seemingly real Google results......

    22. Re:!rodents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The implication that being called a rodent is offensive to a rabbit is offensive to rodents, fag.

    23. Re:!rodents by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      I've got to keep that joke in my pocket for later.

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    24. Re:!rodents by brunson · · Score: 1

      Have you never heard of The Killer Beast of Caerbannog?

      Follow! But! follow only if ye be men of valor, for the entrance to this cave is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel that no man yet has fought with it and lived! Bones of four fifty men lie strewn about its lair. So, brave knights, if you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further, for death awaits you all with nasty big pointy teeth.

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    25. Re:!rodents by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      Whatever. They all blows up the same when you hits 'em square with yer varmint rifle.

    26. Re:!rodents by JustOK · · Score: 1

      whoooosh

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    27. Re:!rodents by JustOK · · Score: 1

      it's always about the lag

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    28. Re:!rodents by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      Bah, much more impressive when you use your spear and magic helmet...

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    29. Re:!rodents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But since rodents and rabbits are both forms of cat food, there's no practical difference.

    30. Re:!rodents by mark72005 · · Score: 1

      You've never met my mother in law.

    31. Re:!rodents by surfcow · · Score: 1

          You need to get out more.

    32. Re:!rodents by antdude · · Score: 1

      More like stuck on the couch, you slimey sluggard. Don't make me put salt on you! :)

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    33. Re:!rodents by Xibby · · Score: 1

      Doesn't matter if they are lagomorphs or rodents. They are still cuddly and delicious.

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    34. Re:!rodents by the_one_wesp · · Score: 1

      Pfff... don't need to. I read /.

    35. Re:!rodents by khallow · · Score: 1

      Rabbits are actually lagomorphs, not rodents. I realize that mice are mentioned as a problem too, but the number of references to rabbits as rodents is quite offensive.

      It's worth noting that primates also are part of the same clade that contains rodents and lagomorphs. So an moderately coarser distinction would lump humans with rabbits and rodents.

    36. Re:!rodents by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      A, so your jeans aren't part of your body?

    37. Re:!rodents by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      What an eccentric performance.

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    38. Re:!rodents by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Oooooh, there was that time at soccer camp...

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    39. Re:!rodents by Rhinobird · · Score: 1

      spear and magic helmet?

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    40. Re:!rodents by pclminion · · Score: 1

      Q: How is a lagomorph different from a rodent?
      A: Because they have two sets of incisors while rodents have only one set.
      Q: Why do the incisors make the difference between rodent and lagomorph?
      A: Because I say it does.

      Actually, according to me, rabbits are members of the comidofuniculates (Latin for "those who chew on wires")

    41. Re:!rodents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well what else can you expect from humans? Honestly, marsupials can be so species-centric sometimes.

      Humans are Placentals, like rabbits. Did I miss something about possums or kangaroos?

    42. Re:!rodents by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      This is exactly why you should never take it off. You should have thought ahead and built in panels so you can use the toilet. ... and that's only ONE of the features of such a panel!

      Mod disclaimer: this is intended to be funny, nothing else.

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    43. Re:!rodents by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      I applaud your insight Sir Rodent.

    44. Re:!rodents by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "You should have thought ahead and built in panels so you can use the toilet."

      I'm in Soviet Russia. Toilet uses me.

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    45. Re:!rodents by MotorMachineMercenar · · Score: 1

      Still laughing.

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  6. I wonder... by Codename+Dutchess · · Score: 0

    If this has anything to do with a story my mother told me 10 years ago, about my dad driving over a whole herd of rabbits. Apparently it scarred my mother for life. This could be the rabbits getting back at cars.

    1. Re:I wonder... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      I thought they were known as a tooth of rabbits?

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  7. Rabbits chew wires regardless by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Informative

    My stepdaughter had a pet rabbit (horrible pets, btw), and it used to love chewing on our computer wires. Had to patch/replace a number of peripherals over a short period of time. *I hates rabbits.*

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    1. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *I hates rabbits.*

      I like them.

      With lots of red cabbage.

    2. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you let them chew on a cable or wire with a little but of current running through it, the rabbit usually stops chewing on wires. Our family had rabbits as pets for a while. One of them liked to chew wires. He chewed the lamp wires. After the shock, he stopped chewing on the wires. The rabbit was alive (he lived another 9 years). His whiskers were a bit singed and shorter. We did have to replace every lamp cord he got to.

    3. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Food rabbits served with rabbit food?
      Now I'm afraid you've lost me.

    4. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Kenshin · · Score: 1

      I can't even count how many wires and cables I've had to patch-up due to my girlfriend's rabbits. They nearly ate through my MacBook Pro's power cable, which would cost more to replace than the two of them were to buy.

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    5. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Tetsujin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My stepdaughter had a pet rabbit (horrible pets, btw), and it used to love chewing on our computer wires.

      Horrible pets? How can you say that? They're such sweet animals... They're very affectionate and playful and clean, and chewing things is just about the only kind of mischief they get into...

      The trick with the wires is to bunny-proof spaces where the rabbits will be out. Make the cords inaccessible.

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    6. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Kenshin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Furthermore, one of them once got behind the fridge and chewed through its power cable. There was a loud bang, and a bright flash... and the rabbit was 100% fine. (Plus, it seemed rather unconcerned.)

      I swear, those things are impervious to electricity.

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    7. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by smellsofbikes · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you let them chew on a cable or wire with a little but of current running through it, the rabbit usually stops chewing on wires. Our family had rabbits as pets for a while. One of them liked to chew wires. He chewed the lamp wires. After the shock, he stopped chewing on the wires. The rabbit was alive (he lived another 9 years). His whiskers were a bit singed and shorter. We did have to replace every lamp cord he got to.

      I've had a different experience. My aunt's rabbit chewed through her refrigerator power cable twice, and one of my rabbits, before she was no longer allowed to roam the house, chewed every cable off the back of a computer (all low-current save the power cable) on two occasions. Thing is: if the appliance isn't drawing power right then, they can chew through with impunity, and even if it *is* drawing power, as long as they only chew through one wire at a time they'll just get a quick shock when they cut that wire. And given how dry a rabbit's mouth is, and that it's cutting through with its non-conductive teeth, they might not even notice. This particular rabbit is smart enough to know the meaning of the word "no" and run over to me when I call her name (which my other rabbit is either too stupid or too uninterested in humans to do) so it's not like she's too dumb to learn about getting shocked. I think she just didn't care or didn't notice, or that she didn't get shocked, since she continued chewing on cords subsequently. Wrapping the cables in split looming that had been sprayed with cayenne pepper did discourage them.

      Even weirder, I had a squirrel nest in my workshop wall, and when I realized it and evicted them, I tore off the siding to see what damage they'd done. They'd stripped all the outer insulation off the romex in the walls, eaten all the paper that lines the bare ground wire, and eaten all the insulation off the white return line, but the black live line only had a few nicks in the insulation, so either the black vinyl doesn't taste good or squirrels are smarter than rabbits. Of course, they had to live in physical contact with the wires, while the rabbits were just chewing on them occasionally. But with that said, I'm betting squirrels are smarter than rabbits.

      As for the article itself, it's not just the DIA parking lot. My girlfriend's work car, a PT Cruiser, had most of the engine wiring eaten by rats while sitting overnight at her workplace in downtown Denver, while they completely ignored her (pre-2002) Subaru. It was startlingly expensive to get that car rewired, and apparently it was by no means just the spark plug wiring.

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    8. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Low+Ranked+Craig · · Score: 2, Funny

      Better with Po-Tay-Toes

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    9. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by crtreece · · Score: 1

      Are these rabbits running loose in the house, or does the cable plant run through the rabbit cage?

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    10. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      spray or rub the wires with capcasian.. works great.

      Honestly why dont car wires made from eco-garbage like soy have this already embedded in it?

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    11. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by hawguy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Thing is: if the appliance isn't drawing power right then, they can chew through with impunity, and even if it *is* drawing power, as long as they only chew through one wire at a time they'll just get a quick shock when they cut that wire. And given how dry a rabbit's mouth is, and that it's cutting through with its non-conductive teeth, they might not even notice.

      That's not how electricity works -- the hot wire is hot regardless of whether or not the appliance is drawing power.

      There are 3 wires in your refrigerator's power cord -- the ground wire (which the rabbit can suck on all day with no ill effect), the neutral wire, which is bonded to the ground wire at the distribution panel, so it should be at the same potential as the ground wire in a properly wired house, and the third wire is the hot wire. This is the one with the juice and the one that will cause a shock regardless of whether or not the appliance is running or not.

      Of course, in an outlet controlled by a switch, the hot wire will not be energized if the switch is off (again assuming a properly wired house - some amateur electricians have been known to put the switch on the neutral side).

    12. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by natehoy · · Score: 1

      but the black live line only had a few nicks in the insulation, so either the black vinyl doesn't taste good or squirrels are smarter than rabbits.

      I'd venture a guess that the second squirrel was a lot smarter than the first one. I'd bet that at least a couple of the nicks somewhere were all the way through, and somewhere out there there's a squirrel with some interesting facial marks that all the other squirrels have nicknamed "Sparky".

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    13. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      I like mine battered and fried.

      No. not that way! Put down the mallet and jumper cables.

    14. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by AmishElvis · · Score: 2, Funny

      sounds wascally

    15. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a cat that would chew up any wire he could find. I tried everything from pepper juice to the alkaline stuff they sell in pet stores.
      Even after he bit into a live 120v wire and got a serious burn on his cheek and lost two teeth, he would *still* do it. He probably at a thousand dollars worth of audio cables over the years.

    16. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by xgr3gx · · Score: 1

      Elmer Fudd might have been on to something. Who wants some nice soy fed rabbit meat?

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    17. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes they do. They check their territory frequently for any obstructions to make a fast getaway easier if a potential predator is spotted.
      Plants, roots, wires, anything they can trip over all need to be got out of the way.

      If you do it for them and hide all the wires from where they like to go, or alter where they can go and they won't get chewed (also no Kentucky fried bunny)

      (rabbit sitting for someone at the moment)

    18. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by YesDinosaursDidExist · · Score: 1

      My rabbit growing up chewed thru a 220V upright freezer wire...got a shock..blew a fuse...and we had to replace the wire. Funny thing is, beforehand the rabbit was always very nice, calm, and friendly...post electric shock however...if you turned your back on the rabbit for even a second it would attack you and bite your feet or legs. So it begs the question, did the shock make my bunny go insane? Or was it just pissed off and blamed us for the shock?

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    19. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Genda · · Score: 1

      That's wed cabbage, you wasciwy wabbit!!!

    20. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My stepdaughter had a pet rabbit (horrible pets, btw), and it used to love chewing on our computer wires. Had to patch/replace a number of peripherals over a short period of time. *I hates rabbits.*

      Stop projecting and get into therapy. Your step-daughter needs your love, not your scrutiny.

    21. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      If you let them chew on a cable or wire with a little but of current running through it, the rabbit usually stops chewing on wires. Our family had rabbits as pets for a while. One of them liked to chew wires. He chewed the lamp wires. After the shock, he stopped chewing on the wires.

      And that, dear friends, is why most people shouldn't be allowed to own pets in general, and rabbits in particular.

      There's a process *all* prospective rabbit owners should go through before bring a rabbit into their home, and it's called rabbit-proofing. Typically this means hiding all exposed cables, and basically anything else at ground level that you don't want nibbled on (the same is true of kittens and puppies, by the way).

      'course, your average rabbit owner is a careless twat who sees rabbits as little more than large hamsters, so I'm hardly surprised many don't bother doing this...

    22. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by davidbrit2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My stepdaughter had a pet rabbit (horrible pets, btw)...

      I wouldn't go that far. They are horrible pets for children, simply because of stark personality incompatibilities, but I have two rabbits that are both extremely friendly. A lot of people think they're just getting a cat with long ears, when in fact the differences are much deeper. Rabbits are definitely higher maintenance, as they tend to be somewhat messy, and can develop destructive habits (digging, chewing) if not supervised closely and kept away from hazards. And while rabbits are often quite friendly and playful, they are definitely not cuddly. My rabbits love to come over and get a head rub, and socialize with the cats just fine, but try to pick them up and carry them around, and they'll just get pissed off. If these details don't bother you, then a rabbit can make a very good pet. If you weren't expecting this, then you'll probably end up like the people from whom I just got my second rabbit.

      On the plus side, they're cheap to feed. Hay, fresh greens, and pellets cost very little compared to food made for carnivores like cats and dogs. I'm still surprised whenever I get a huge bag of bulk pellets and it costs less than $2, and a large bale of hay can last months.

    23. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Like all animals above the size of a hamster, rabbits require regular exercise. Only assholes would keep their rabbit in a cage 24/7.

    24. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure who is dumber, here, you or the rabbit. Did it never occur to you to just hide/protect your cables and pay a little bit of attention?

    25. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by nbauman · · Score: 1

      Cover the exposed bottom of your car with rabbit wire.

      There is such a thing as rabbit wire, right?

    26. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 1

      Well, I guess that explains Bun-Bun. Oh wait, I guess he chewed on power cords after Torg bought him at the pet store.

    27. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't go that far. They are horrible pets for children, simply because of stark personality incompatibilities, but I have two rabbits that are both extremely friendly. A lot of people think they're just getting a cat with long ears, when in fact the differences are much deeper.

      Absolutely.

      The real problem is that when someone says "horrible pet", they mean "horrible pet because it's not like a dog or cat". They can't grasp the concept of being the caretaker for an animal simply for the sake of it.

      Rabbits are *not* cuddly, though they do love being petted (I had one who would nip at your toes just so you'd pet her with your feet). They hate being picked up (you would, too, if you were a pray animal, where being "picked up" usually meant as a meal for a predator of some kind). They don't have human-like facial expressions or familiar body language (again, they're pray animals, and it goes down deep in their psyche). And to top it off, they can develop some challenging health problems (abscesses can kill a rabbit, teeth/bite problems, hip and spinal issues, head tilt, etc, etc). But they can make wonderful pets *if* you know what you're getting in to and are willing to accept them for what they are, rather than what you want them to be.

      As an aside, it's nice to hear from another competent rabbit owner. Unfortunately, far too many rabbits are sold to people who have no idea what they're getting in to...

    28. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by nbauman · · Score: 1

      I finally understood what was going on between Elmer Fudd and Bugs Bunny when my cousin planted a vegetable garden and got cleaned out by the rabbits.

    29. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its only 'hot' to you if your body completes a circuit to ground. Its perfectly possible to cut a hot wire if there is no chance of the current going through you to ground. Its how high voltage linemen who repair high tension lines via helicopter do it. The problem occurs if they get too close to a mast ( which would form a ground circuit ), or the other 'cold' conductor.

    30. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      Thing is: if the appliance isn't drawing power right then, they can chew through with impunity, and even if it *is* drawing power, as long as they only chew through one wire at a time they'll just get a quick shock when they cut that wire. And given how dry a rabbit's mouth is, and that it's cutting through with its non-conductive teeth, they might not even notice.

      That's not how electricity works -- the hot wire is hot regardless of whether or not the appliance is drawing power.

      There are 3 wires in your refrigerator's power cord -- the ground wire (which the rabbit can suck on all day with no ill effect), the neutral wire, which is bonded to the ground wire at the distribution panel, so it should be at the same potential as the ground wire in a properly wired house, and the third wire is the hot wire. This is the one with the juice and the one that will cause a shock regardless of whether or not the appliance is running or not.

      That's not how electricity works. The hot wire is hot regardless, but if nothing is drawing power, you can cut the hot wire with impunity. You can grab it and lick it, and your body will run up to 110V but if there isn't a path to ground, there isn't any current flow. Here's a great video about a guy who works on high voltage lines, who is crawling along an uninsulated million volt line, working on it, because there's no ground return path so he's fine.

      If you don't believe me try it out yourself. You can cut a live wire with steel clippers as long as you only cut one wire at a time, and make sure your clippers don't touch any of the already-cut wires. There won't be a spark, because there's nowhere for the electrons to go aside from the capacitance of your body, and that's filled up by the flow of a couple hundred thousand electrons and you won't even notice it.

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    31. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if they did that, you wouldn't have the opportunity to buy a new set.

    32. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by hawguy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Its only 'hot' to you if your body completes a circuit to ground. Its perfectly possible to cut a hot wire if there is no chance of the current going through you to ground. Its how high voltage linemen who repair high tension lines via helicopter do it. The problem occurs if they get too close to a mast ( which would form a ground circuit ), or the other 'cold' conductor.

      Yes, you are right. I would like to amend my post to say:

      If the rabbit is wearing proper protective gear, including insulating rubber shields over his teeth, a dental dam in his mouth to prevent saliva from wetting his teeth and tongue, rubber booties on his feet to insulate him from the ground, and a full-body rubber jacket to prevent any part of his body from contacting the floor, in those circumstances, the rabbit may be safe from electrocution if he chews through the hot wire. In normal conditions found in most homes, with the normal clothing typically worn by rabbits, he'll likely provide a good enough path to ground to feel a shock when he chews through the hot wire.

      Oh, and if the rabbit happens to be in a helicopter that is properly bonded to the power line...in those conditions he may also chew through the wire with impunity, though I would recommend that he wear the proper fall arresting gear.

    33. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think late 1990's Toyota cars had bad wiring that would rust away within 10 years*, just wait for the reports on these newer eco-poop wires. I'd give them 5 years before the wires give out. These rodents are just doing them a favor to replace the wires with conventional long-lasting and cheaper substitutes. (*I've known 5 owners that each had to completely replace the wiring in their Corolla before it was completely rusted away well before the cars were 10 years old. Ford cars of double their age still have perfect wiring in comparison.)

    34. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by denobug · · Score: 1

      Thing is: if the appliance isn't drawing power right then, they can chew through with impunity, and even if it *is* drawing power, as long as they only chew through one wire at a time they'll just get a quick shock when they cut that wire. And given how dry a rabbit's mouth is, and that it's cutting through with its non-conductive teeth, they might not even notice.

      That's not how electricity works -- the hot wire is hot regardless of whether or not the appliance is drawing power.

      There are 3 wires in your refrigerator's power cord -- the ground wire (which the rabbit can suck on all day with no ill effect), the neutral wire, which is bonded to the ground wire at the distribution panel, so it should be at the same potential as the ground wire in a properly wired house, and the third wire is the hot wire. This is the one with the juice and the one that will cause a shock regardless of whether or not the appliance is running or not.

      Of course, in an outlet controlled by a switch, the hot wire will not be energized if the switch is off (again assuming a properly wired house - some amateur electricians have been known to put the switch on the neutral side).

      Well guess which color of the hot wire's insulation is? It is the black wire that white raddit don't want to chew on!

    35. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by KshGoddess · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes.

      I can't believe this would work for your car engine while you park it, nor would I think that most people want to add several pounds of galvanized wire to the underside of their cars.

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    36. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by MachDelta · · Score: 1

      For a north american home? Black is hot, white's neutral, and green (or bare, duh) is ground.

      I'm quite sure of this, as I gave myself a good little (accidental) zap a few weeks ago when wiring up a bathroom fan. One-hand untwisted the black leads on the old fan and accidentally touched the side of the box. Yessir, nothin' like a little 110 to make you feel like someone just slammed your arm in a door...

      I really need to mark my breaker box. :(

    37. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by hawguy · · Score: 1

      That's not how electricity works. The hot wire is hot regardless, but if nothing is drawing power, you can cut the hot wire with impunity. You can grab it and lick it, and your body will run up to 110V but if there isn't a path to ground, there isn't any current flow. Here's a great video [youtube.com] about a guy who works on high voltage lines, who is crawling along an uninsulated million volt line, working on it, because there's no ground return path so he's fine.

      Tell me again how we moved from a rabbit under a refrigerator to an electrical serviceman on a high tension wire who takes great pains to ensure he's not grounded when he touches it? I was not describing how electricity works in all possible conditions, but in the conditions given in the post. Are those similar conditions? Do you see *any* difference between the two situations?

      Why don't you do an experiment -- walk up to your refrigerator outlet (which should have no GFCI to protect you), stick a screwdriver into the hot side and hold onto the metal shaft of the screwdriver and see what happens. It's likely that you'll feel a shock. If you're unlucky you could die.

    38. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by jollespm · · Score: 1

      Depends on where you live. In the USA and Canada, black is hot.

    39. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      but the black live line only had a few nicks in the insulation, so either the black vinyl doesn't taste good or squirrels are smarter than rabbits.

      I'd venture a guess that the second squirrel was a lot smarter than the first one. I'd bet that at least a couple of the nicks somewhere were all the way through, and somewhere out there there's a squirrel with some interesting facial marks that all the other squirrels have nicknamed "Sparky".

      I'm guessing it was a learning experience, but likely not fatal (there weren't any bones in the space.) I've *watched* a skunk short 220V from its mouth to the ground (long stinky story) and while it certainly didn't enjoy the experience, it was back the next night to try again, so it clearly didn't REALLY HATE the experience. If you have dry skin in a dry environment -- or particularly if you have furry paws, because hair is a terrible conductor -- it's hard to get enough current flow to kill yourself. Obviously that's not something you want to bet your life upon, but it's a nice benefit of a desert environment.

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    40. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by smellsofbikes · · Score: 5, Informative

      Black is Neutral. The white ones are the hot ones (or red in 3-wire). Green or non-insulated for Ground. Unless a dipshit who doesn't follow code wired your house.

      Nope. Please to not ever be working on house wiring in the US, kthxby.

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    41. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feed your pet rabbits, and maybe you won't have that problem. A nice delicious carrot or apple peel might make them less hungry for misadventure.

    42. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      That's not how electricity works. The hot wire is hot regardless, but if nothing is drawing power, you can cut the hot wire with impunity. You can grab it and lick it, and your body will run up to 110V but if there isn't a path to ground, there isn't any current flow. Here's a great video [youtube.com] about a guy who works on high voltage lines, who is crawling along an uninsulated million volt line, working on it, because there's no ground return path so he's fine.

      Uhhh. Okay, explain this to me. Since I'm both an electrician and an electrical engineer you can use the fanciest words you want. I have a wire. It is connected to 110 volts. It is not connected to anything else, which is why I specified that it is *unloaded*. I cut it in half. You're saying I'm going to get a shock? Where, exactly, are those electrons going, and why are they going there? What is the electromotive force that moves them? Because if you can tell me this, I'm going to use the power derived from this to drive a motor and call it a perpetual motion machine.

      Why don't you do an experiment -- walk up to your refrigerator outlet (which should have no GFCI to protect you), stick a screwdriver into the hot side and hold onto the metal shaft of the screwdriver and see what happens. It's likely that you'll feel a shock. If you're unlucky you could die.

      I've done this hundreds of times. I'm guessing you haven't. If there's nowhere for the electrons to go, you don't get shocked. Your body runs up to the line voltage, but you won't even notice that until you touch something that's grounded.

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    43. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by norminator · · Score: 1

      Boil 'em up, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew.

    44. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but that requires, like, work and stuff! I want to just get a rabbit around easter time, throw it in a cage, and then forget about it! Isn't that what pets are for?

    45. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by norminator · · Score: 1

      It's about time you fixed that. I can't believe how long you left your previous vague statement stand. I wonder how many bunnies died in the meantime, because their owners thought that they didn't need the expensive gear. And the helicopter. I, for one, am glad that someone called you out on it.

      /sarcasm

    46. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by norminator · · Score: 1

      Woooweeee! If that cat had nine lives, she just spent 'em all!

      If you don't mind, I'd like to fumigate this here chair.

      (I know we're not talking about cats, but the quotes and images from Christmas Vacation keep popping up in my head.)

    47. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by gagol · · Score: 1

      Proper training and attention can also work. I have tons of cables accessible to my rabbit. I enclosed the cables in hard plastic protection, payed attention when the rabbit was young and trained it to know the meaning of NO! When it does something not allowed, she goes back to her cage for an hour or two, aside from that, she is free 24/7 in the house... of course, you should provide plenty of wood branches she can chew freely. The chewing is more prominent during the hormonal peak of teenage rabbits and associated as sexual behaviours.

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    48. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by gagol · · Score: 1

      Rabbits are edible and quite tasty, buy one for easter, play with it for a while then eat it if your are not attached...

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    49. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Rick17JJ · · Score: 1

      Pack rats like to chew up the wiring of the cars and trucks where I live here in the mountains of Northern Arizona. That seems to be a problem on the outer edges of several of the cities at this elevation in Arizona, such as Prescott and Sedona. Usually, the pack rats build a nest in the engine compartment and then start chewing up the insulation on the wiring. When the nest in the engine compartment is torn out, the pack rats sometimes quickly rebuild a new nest.

      Are they sure that it is really rabbits chewing the wiring in Denver, and not pack rats? We are at the same elevation as Denver, in a neighboring state.

      Several of my neighbors have gone out to start their cars and found that they would not start because damaged wiring from the pack rats. One neighbor had to have her car's wiring replaced on more than occasion. I have heard that pack rats particularly like the brands of cars which use soy-based wiring.

      In Sedona, the wiring harness on a Rolls Royce was chewed up very badly, several years ago, while it was parked in the owner's garage. The owner started spraying the wiring with a solution made from an extremely hot type of pepper, to discourage the pack rats from chewing.

      In my old GMC Sierra pickup, they built a nest of sticks, dry leaves and cactus thorns under the air cleaner on two occasions. But fortunately, no damage was ever done to my wiring. The thick plastic shield around the main wiring harness probably helped protect it. My truck probably also did not have the good tasting soybean flavored wiring insulation. On two occasions, while driving back from town, I could smell the dry oak leaves cooking against the exhaust manifold.

      One neighbor had an old Lincoln Continental which he had to take to the junk yard after the wiring was ruined by pack rats. Another neighbor has resorted to keeping her hood open on her car at night, to make the engine compartment less desirable as a shelter for the pack rats. She also spreads used kitty litter around her car and in her engine compartment, so that the smell of her cat's urine will keep them away.

      On a 35 year old diesel powered backhoe, pack rats (or possibly a squirrel) once built a nest inside the air cleaner. No damage was done to the old backhoe, but it really made the backhoe smoke badly when the engine was running, until their nest was removed. I wonder what living inside the air cleaner was like when the noisy old diesel engine was running. Fortunately, the old 1970s era diesel engine had a purely mechanical type fuel injection system and did not have an electrical ignition system.

      Pack Rats

    50. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      same here freaking thing was even eating giprock off the walls , but this evil creature turned out pretty good with a mustard sauce

    51. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Uhhh. Okay, explain this to me. Since I'm both an electrician and an electrical engineer you can use the fanciest words you want. I have a wire. It is connected to 110 volts. It is not connected to anything else, which is why I specified that it is *unloaded*. I cut it in half.

      To be fair, you said you can lick the hot wire without danger of shock, not just cutting it. Obviously if you clip with wire with insulated wire cutters you'll be fine.

      Your path to ground is through the ground. What kind of surface are you standing on? Is it clean or dirty? What kind of shoes are you wearing?

      My shoes are surprisingly conductive -- if I put both feet on my stainless steel cabinet, I get around 30000 ohms of resistance from my fingertips to the cabinet according to my multimeter. So there's my path to the floor. The NEC says to treat the concrete surface that I'm on as "grounded", so there's my path to ground.

      Are you sure you're an EE? You mentioned that only a few hundred thousand electrons might flow due to capacitance alone - do you know how vanishingly small that amount of current is? The human body will have around 100pF of capacitance to ground, how much current (and how many electrons) will flow to charge 100pF to +169V and then discharge and charge to -169V every cycle?

      oh wait, it's been a while since I've done any real EE type math, but I seem to be getting an effective resistance of 26500 ohms for a 60 Hz signal through a 100pF capcitor, so enough current will flow through capacitance alone to give you a shock. Did I do my math wrong?

      I have gotten shocked before from a lamp where the cord had frayed and let the hot wire touch the lamp body. I got shocked when I touched the lamp while standing on a dry wood floor wearing rubber running shoes. One does not need an obvious path to ground to get a shock from 120VAC.

    52. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by nbauman · · Score: 1

      It might be worth investigating if you drove in a high-rabbit-risk environment.

      It wouldn't be any heavier than an undercoating.

      I'm not saying it would work. It's just a back-of-the envelope concept. I haven't tried it. I'd have to look at a car on a lift to see whether it looks practical.

      Weigh that against the inconvenience and cost of having your distributor wires looking like corncobs.

    53. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1
      Aw, man, you're going to start being civil. Okay, me too. Yeah, I'm an EE. I just used a Keithley 2600 to measure how much current flows when I stick one lead of the Keithley into a 110V receptacle and grab the other end with my hand. It's under 100 nanoamps, is the best I can tell you, but the Keithley probably isn't fast enough to catch the peak: within milliseconds it's equilibrated to zero current -- because zero voltage is flowing, so no current. At work we presume you can't feel a shock of less than 1 milliamp, so that'd be a million times less than a sensible shock. Since I work in an AC lab the floor is insulated (as are my shoes) so that's not surprising. Same thing with my rabbit: she was standing on a wooden floor, chewing through the line, and I presume she clipped the lines one at a time on the unpowered computer. Likewise my aunt's rabbit, again on a wooden floor, and the rabbit must have been lucky the compressor wasn't on. We also presume around here that we have roughly .5 to 1 megohm skin resistance. Lemme go measure myself... my Tektronix TX3 says thumb to thumb I'm 33 megohms, which is *really* high, but it's *really* dry.

      More generally, let's go over this from first principles.

      1. You can't get electrocuted or feel a shock unless there is current flowing. I can't prove this one but it's what Wikipedia says too.

      2. You can't have a current flow unless there is a potential difference. That's derived from Kirchhoff's mesh rule: the sum of the emf in a circuit is the sum of the potential drop in the circuit.

      3. You can't have a potential difference if there is only one wire, because there's nowhere to establish a difference: there isn't a circuit, by definition.

      4. As such, if you touch a single wire, there cannot be a current flow. (I'm neglecting the capacitance of a body, but I specifically noted that in the original post -- and that's what I measured with the Keithley, and it's negligible.)

      5. Cutting a single wire, regardless of its voltage, still does not provide a potential difference, as there is still no circuit.

      Let's review to my original post, just to make sure everything is covered.

      I said: "if the appliance isn't drawing power right then" -- which means no current is flowing, which means the entire line is at the same potential. So, no potential difference, so no way for there to be any current flow.

      Likewise, I said "as long as they only chew through one wire at a time" meaning the rabbit does not establish a potential difference between two lines: the rabbit is at a high potential with respect to ground but there isn't a circuit, so no current can flow.

      If you see any errors, I'd be interested to know about them.

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    54. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by smellsofbikes · · Score: 0
      Eh, as I've said in our other thread, squirrels run on powerlines all the time, and hawks perch on them, and nobody gets hurt. All you have to do is just touch one line.

      When I was working at Advanced Energy, building high voltage power supplies, they had a nice little first-day lecture on safety. It was mostly visual so I'll have to describe it.

      Guy puts down a (not-plugged-in) 19kV power supply. He leans towards it with one hand, and says "fine." He leans towards it with both hands, and says "dead."

      The point being: you can touch as much voltage as you want, with one hand, and you'll be fine if you're not grounded in some other way, and if you have shoes on, or in the case of rabbits, hairy feet on carpet or wood or tile or linoleum, there's no path to ground. I have to wonder what sort of flooring you have in your house, anyway. The only current return paths I have in my whole house are the sink faucets, because I have copper plumbing, and ... I don't even know what else, since all the faceplates on my outlets are plastic. No, I take that back: the refrigerator has some exposed metal where the screw attaches the handle to the fridge body, and that's attached to earth ground, as any good double-insulated appliance will be. But the rest of the fridge is enamel-coated, and I know from checking that a decent enamel coating is good to at least 500 volts since we're designing consumer and commercial electronics in the 110-1000V range and we have to figure out what's a shock hazard on them.

      The rest of the house is all wood and gypsum, and they're *terrible* conductors.

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    55. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      It's only 115 volts. That's not a lot of voltage trying to force through a ton of resistance to ground.

    56. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They certainly are. Our house bunny got cold one night, also took a liking to the warm fridge compressor and then nibbled the wiring. Result, one defrosting fridge and one undamaged bunny. Oh, and we have 250V here.

    57. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Yeah... that happened to a friend's cat and Christmas lights. But she wasn't unconcerned. I have never seen anything move that fast before or since, and I've watched motorcycle racing.

    58. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by nametaken · · Score: 1

      This thread is officially epic.

    59. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Aw, man, you're going to start being civil. Okay, me too.

      I thought I was already being civil?

      More generally, let's go over this from first principles.

      1. You can't get electrocuted or feel a shock unless there is current flowing. I can't prove this one but it's what Wikipedia says too.

      Agreed.

      2. You can't have a current flow unless there is a potential difference. That's derived from Kirchhoff's mesh rule: the sum of the emf in a circuit is the sum of the potential drop in the circuit.

      Again, no arguments here.

      3. You can't have a potential difference if there is only one wire, because there's nowhere to establish a difference: there isn't a circuit, by definition.

      I disagree a little here. You don't need two "wires", just two "conductors". It seems like it's only a distinction in semantics, but the distinction will become clear later.

      4. As such, if you touch a single wire, there cannot be a current flow. (I'm neglecting the capacitance of a body, but I specifically noted that in the original post -- and that's what I measured with the Keithley, and it's negligible.)

      You still haven't convinced me that a rabbit has no path to ground. I have no reason to disagree that in your lab with an insulating floor and insulated shoes that your body would conduct practically zero current to ground, but in the real world, electrical shocks and even electrocution can result from contacting a hot wire, no need to contact both hot and neutral at the same time.

      Here's an example: http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/face/stateface/ca/92ca014.html

      5. Cutting a single wire, regardless of its voltage, still does not provide a potential difference, as there is still no circuit.

      I still don't see how cutting the wire matters -- the rabbit did not cut the wire (did it? Do they really chew through the wire? I assumed they just bite through the insulation). In any case, can we just throw #5 out since it has no relevance at all?

      Let's review to my original post, just to make sure everything is covered.

      I said: "if the appliance isn't drawing power right then" -- which means no current is flowing, which means the entire line is at the same potential. So, no potential difference, so no way for there to be any current flow.

      Here's where you've lost me again -- regardless of whether the power is on, the hot wire will have a potential of 120V at all points along it, and the neutral will have a potential of 0V. (in reality, voltage drop of the wire will cause a tiny difference in potential along the wire (increasing as current draw increases), but not enough to be meaningful.

      Likewise, I said "as long as they only chew through one wire at a time" meaning the rabbit does not establish a potential difference between two lines: the rabbit is at a high potential with respect to ground but there isn't a circuit, so no current can flow.

      This is the source of our disagreement - I say that any animal on a normal household surface without special protective gear will have a path to ground. It may be conductive or it may be capacitive, but it's a path nonetheless.

      Particularly if he's chewing a refrigerator power cord, since in most cases he's going to be touching the metal (grounded) frame of the refrigerator to gain access to the cord. After looking at my refrigerator, I don't see how a rabbit could reach the part of the cord near the floor without touching some part of the refrigerator.

    60. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that you Elmer?

    61. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, far too many rabbits are sold to people who have no idea what they're getting in to...

      4 lb Rabbit
      1 1/2 c Dry red wine
      3/4 c Cider vinegar
      2 ts Salt; optional
      1/2 ts Freshly ground black pepper
      1 Bay leaf
      1/2 c Onions; chopped
      1 tb Mixed pickling spice
      1/2 c Flour
      4 tb Butter
      1 c Onions; thinly sliced
      2 tb Sugar
      1/2 c Sour cream

      Cut rabbit in serving-sized pieces. Wash, scrape, and soak in salted cold water for 1 hour. Drain and dry.
      In a glass or pottery bowl mix together the wine, vinegar, salt, pepper, bay leaf, chopped onions, and pickling spice. Add the rabbit and let marinate in the refirgerator for 3 days. Turn the pieces occasinally. Drain the rabbit; strain and reserve the marinade. Dry the rabbit with paper towels and roll in flour.

      Melt butter in a Dutch oven or deep heavy skillet; brown the rabbit and sliced onions in it. Pour off fat and add sugar and 1-1/2 cups marinade. Cover and cook over low heat 1-1/2 hours or until rabbit is tender. Turn the pieces occasionally and add more marinade if needed. Taste for seasoning. Mix the sour cream into the gravy just before serving.

    62. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Looks delicious, though I'm skeptical of a 3-day marinade in an acidic solution, as that would substantially break down the protein and ruin the texture of the meat. Seems more reasonable to do four to six hours, tops.

    63. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Where, exactly, are those electrons going, and why are they going there?

      Into your body, which has a non-zero capacitance. And, as this is AC the current can be sustained.

      You can check this non-dangerously with one of those voltage-testing screwdrivers. They light up when inserted into a power socket while your finger (or other body part) is on the small metal pad near the light. They won't light up if there's no finger. And this even if you were rubber-soled shoes.

    64. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by DrStrange66 · · Score: 1

      In southern Arizona we also have the problem with pack rats. They are a plague around homes. My 1997 Camaro had all the insulation and wiring chewed out by pack rats. Cost me $1500 in damage. The alternator was toast. The guy who fixed my car said that he had never seen an air filter in such horrible condition in his life. They used that as the toilet. Apparently a nest had been built in the hollow area at the very front end of the car. I dubbed my car the Pack Rat Mobile Housing Unit because apparently they had been going to work and back with me before I knew there was a problem. After that I hunted the pack rats with my pellet gun. I shot two of them and poisoned others. That is the disadvantage of a carport and not having a closed garage. Although I suppose even a garage might not stop it from happening.

    65. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of a sign I saw along a country road:

      Rabbits for Sale

      Pets or Food

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    66. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      the smell of her cat's urine

      Wait, so she pays for kitty litter, and cleans up after them, while at the same time having a rodent problem? Just let the cats out, man, you'll be rodent-free in no time.

    67. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Rabbits hate it when you anthropomorphize them.

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    68. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by tibit · · Score: 1

      HUH? I don't think that any sort of unprotected (outside of the enclosure) decorative coating such as enamel, powder paint, spray paint, anodized layer on aluminum, etc. can be considered a part of any insulation scheme. In all electrical insulation system analyses, decorative coatings don't exist.

      If you're looking at enamel within the enclosure, then IIRC it needs to be protected from abrasion, so it really works on things that don't rub on each other. Fine in a transformer and not much else, I'd say.

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    69. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by tibit · · Score: 1

      Reactance of a capacitor: R=1/(2*pi*f*C).

      C=0.1E-9 (0.1nF)
      f=60
      R=26.5E6 (27 MOhms)

      So, at 120VAC RMS, the current will be around 5 microamperes (5E-6A). Hardly worth mentioning. You got your orders of magnitude wrong -- you gave a result as if the capacitor was 100nF; then the current would be 5 mA -- enough to jolt you.

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    70. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by dr2chase · · Score: 1

      We had a goat, who figured out how to get past an electric fence, by levering up the bottom wire with his horns, and getting most of the way under before getting zapped, and then only maybe, because it was one of those pulse fences that was not on continuously.

    71. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps it had a shock enough to cause short term memory loss? Much like electroshock therapy done on crazy people?

    72. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Thank you! You're absolutely right, I used 100 * 10^9 instead of 100 * 10^12 for the capacitance so I was off by a factor of 1000 -- thanks for the correction!

    73. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      There is an appropriate solution to this problem.

      Shoot the rabbit and put it in a stew. Tastes like chicken and it's quicker than splicing a cut wire.

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    74. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rabbits can be great house pets. They are sociable, quiet, entertaining, affectionate and full of character.

      They are, however, about the most destructive animal you could possibly ever invite into your home, unless you have doors big enough for an african elephant.

    75. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Black is Neutral. The white ones are the hot ones (or red in 3-wire). Green or non-insulated for Ground. Unless a dipshit who doesn't follow code wired your house.

      Nope. Please to not ever be working on house wiring in the US, kthxby.

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      You got your AC and your DC mixed up mister. Check out this link: http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/ac_wiring.htm

      And be sure to hang a WARNING sign at the entrance doors of YOUR house!

    76. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by gknoy · · Score: 1

      When I read "For residential wiring, some basic rules given in the NEC are:" in the Wikipedia article, I assumed that meant that those referred to AC. I could be wrong. What makes you think that the wikipedia article is talking about DC vs AC wiring?

    77. Re:Rabbits chew wires regardless by gknoy · · Score: 1

      Doh -- I missed mentioning that "Phase" wiring, one of the first ones mentioned, is for AC circuits. Until I read the list on the wiki page a little more deeply, I hadn't noticed that. Interestingly, what I noticed from the link you posted was that the coloring seemed to correlate pretty well to the wiki page, so perhaps I misunderstood your post as disagreeing with the parent post:

      http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/ac_wiring.htm

      Usually, three copper wires come into the home. Two are covered in black insulation and one has white insulation. Sometimes one wire is red instead of black. Each black or red wire is called a "hot" wire and has 110-volt AC. The white wire is called the "common" and is grounded at the power station.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_wiring_in_North_America#Design_and_installation_conventions

      Phase wire in a circuit may be black, red, orange (high leg delta) insulated wire, sometimes other colors, but never green, gray, or white (whether these are solid colors or stripes).
      The neutral wire is identified by gray or white insulated wire, perhaps with stripes.
      Grounding wire of circuit may be bare or identified insulated wire of green or having green stripes.

  8. summary longer than original article by demonbug · · Score: 1

    Strange that the airport doesn't think that rodents are to blame; apparently they prefer the idea that they offer no security and people come and randomly damage/steal wiring from cars parked in their lot.

    I passed through DIA a couple weeks ago, and I can tell you that the bunny rabbits hardly chewed on my wires at all.

    1. Re:summary longer than original article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you know security at an airport is only for show? Any real security measures that actually make you safer or in this case protect your proprity are non-existant.

    2. Re:summary longer than original article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Went through DIA a month ago; saw about 3 large rabbits lurking in the economy lot. My '02 car wasn't damaged but if there had been something tasty I'm certain there are enough extent rabbits to get the job done.

      BTW, what la-la enviro nonsense has car manufacturers using 'soy' for insulation anyhow?

    3. Re:summary longer than original article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      That's because this is Slashdot. Why link to the actual article when you can link to a shitty blogpost?

      The real article is at the end:
      http://www.kwgn.com/news/kdvr-rabbits-at-dia-txt,0,2197200.story

      Seriously, in a few months, every Slashdot summary will just be a copy-and-paste of a "re-tweet" with a bit.ly link in it.

    4. Re:summary longer than original article by zill · · Score: 1

      Don't you know security at an airport is only for show?

      That and millimeter wave voyeurism.

    5. Re:summary longer than original article by norminator · · Score: 1

      I think the airport's position is that there's no reason to believe the cars were damaged at the airport, as it could have happened at any other places the cars have been.

  9. Wiring specification by fridaynightsmoke · · Score: 1, Funny

    What happened in 2002? Did Warren Buffet invest in automotive wiring companies??

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    1. Re:Wiring specification by nanoflower · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think the green attitude took over the car industry. I was just reading an article talking about how various manufacturers are starting to use more green products in automobiles including using bamboo and coconut fibers for car seats. Ford is looking at using a soy based foam to extrude for car seats. So you could imagine coming back and finding the wires, seats and anything else non metallic is gone from your car after going on an extended trip. Here's another article about the kind of problems these creatures are causing including some pictures of the damage done. http://pleasantonautorepair.net/?p=114

  10. Open a Trailer Park next to the airport... by jameskojiro · · Score: 1

    Hungry Red Necks means fewer rabbits....

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  11. They're Obviously Angry Rabbits by lavacano201014 · · Score: 1

    They're protesting all those "OM NOM NOM" pics of them on I Can Has Cheezburger.

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  12. The number shalt be 3..... by char70ger · · Score: 2, Funny

    Call Brother Maynard!!!

    1. Re:The number shalt be 3..... by damien_kane · · Score: 1

      5...

  13. One word solution by catherder_finleyd · · Score: 1

    Ferreting! Even if the ferrets don't catch the rabbits, the scent will often chase the rabbits away.

    1. Re:One word solution by NevarMore · · Score: 1

      But how do you then get rid of the ferrets?

    2. Re:One word solution by txoof · · Score: 1

      Skinner: We unleash wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the ferrets.

      Lisa: But aren't the snakes even worse?

      Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.

      Lisa: But then we're stuck with gorillas!

      Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

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    3. Re:One word solution by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Or, you know, put in a tighter fence for the bottom 3 feet of the fence. Be sure it goes 8 inches into the dirt.

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  14. Cats by rakuen · · Score: 1

    I might not have expected animals to eat them, but given how much I see cats playing with wires it doesn't surprise me that if an animal could get under the hood, they would disrupt the wiring.

  15. sad but true by yodleboy · · Score: 1

    At my previous residence, there was coax from the local cable provider strung down the alley. On 2 occasions whereI had my internet service go out the cause turned out to be squirrels eating through the coax housing. I can only hope that the little guy got a nice zap when he broke through to the copper core.

    1. Re:sad but true by afidel · · Score: 1

      Not a chance, coax is low voltage.

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    2. Re:sad but true by fotbr · · Score: 1

      Not a chance, coax is low voltage.

      coax is a cable type, and depending on the exact variety, a multi-KV rating isn't uncommon.

      Now, your cable-tv / internet provider isn't likely to be running those kinds of voltages, but you can't rule it out just because it happens to be a coaxial cable.

    3. Re:sad but true by afidel · · Score: 1

      Since the GP was talking about cable providers and his internet service I think it's pretty safe to assume we're talking about RG-6 coax for cable delivery....

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    4. Re:sad but true by fotbr · · Score: 1

      Ok. So a 3KV rating. http://www.hyperline.com/catalog/cable/rg6.shtml

      My point stands. It is a cable type, and you cannot rule out high/low voltage simply because the most common use for it that consumers run across is low voltage. The cable can handle more, and you could conceivably run across it in a situation where carelessness might be painful or lethal.

  16. It's the fucking horse!!! by pspahn · · Score: 1

    This mother fucker is the one possessing these bunnies to do such nefarious deeds. The damn thing already killed the guy who sculpted it.

    If you come to Denver, find a Raider fan, they will protect you.

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  17. It's a feature by e9th · · Score: 1

    Car manufacturers: "To protect the environment, our cars are now greener than ever. Why, even the wiring is biodegradable!"

    1. Re:It's a feature by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      To protect the environment, our cars are now greener than ever. Why, even the wiring is biodegradable!

      Car wiring has been self-degrading a lot longer than just since 2002...

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    2. Re:It's a feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Car manufacturers: "To protect the environment, our cars are now greener than ever. Why, even the wiring is edible!"

      FTFY

    3. Re:It's a feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For sure... Just ask any Jaguar (e-type) owner

  18. Quellish! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never say that to a rabbit that has feasted on dish washing soap.

  19. Paved with good intentions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably another "green" requirement gone awry... so now the environment is worse off, with more resources used to repair the damaged wiring than the theoretical savings to some future landfill.

    1. Re:Paved with good intentions... by timster · · Score: 1

      Just because there was a problem does not mean the environment is now "worse off". Clearly this is happening to a tiny fraction of overall cars.

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  20. So, at least in Denver, it is... by NecroPuppy · · Score: 1

    RABBIT SEASON!

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    1. Re:So, at least in Denver, it is... by NevarMore · · Score: 1
    2. Re:So, at least in Denver, it is... by Aelyew · · Score: 1

      Duck season.

    3. Re:So, at least in Denver, it is... by martas · · Score: 1

      WABBIT SEASON!

    4. Re:So, at least in Denver, it is... by snspdaarf · · Score: 1

      Elmer! I didn't recognize you without your speech impediment! How the hell are you?

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    5. Re:So, at least in Denver, it is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duck season.

      And I say FIR
      ~I+{_~NO CARRIER

    6. Re:So, at least in Denver, it is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WABBIT SEASON!

    7. Re:So, at least in Denver, it is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DUCK SEATHON!!11!!

  21. Don't bother with TFA by koterica · · Score: 1

    TFA consists of two paragraphs summarizing the video clip included in TFS. So... yeah. Don't bother.

  22. Simple Fix: by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Just hire this dude.

    1. Re:Simple Fix: by pspahn · · Score: 2, Funny

      and here I was, expecting to see a photo of This dude

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  23. Payback Time by RapidEye · · Score: 1

    I guess the rabbits finally found a way of getting even with all those cars that ran over their cousins.
    Lets hope the squirrels and prairie dogs don't decide to get even as well!!!

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  24. Install Python in your computer by mangu · · Score: 2, Funny

    This will surely get your computer rid of rabbits.

    1. Re:Install Python in your computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That comment sure made my day; too bad nobody with mod points caught it yet.

    2. Re:Install Python in your computer by gagol · · Score: 1

      I am pretty sure the rabbits have knowledge this language is named after English Comedy and not the reptile...

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  25. Florida Everglades has similar problem by xerx · · Score: 4, Informative
    In this case it is black vultures who eat the soft rubber door seals and whipper blades. One of the main tourist attractions near the south west entrance of the national park has a roust of them close to the parking lot. I have witnessed them tearing chunks of rubber from cars. At times there are dozens of birds in the parking lot and hundreds in nearby trees.

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/state/meals-on-wheels-vultures-in-everglades-feast-on-529072.html

    1. Re:Florida Everglades has similar problem by xerx · · Score: 1

      Opps I meant south east entrance.

    2. Re:Florida Everglades has similar problem by natehoy · · Score: 1

      whipper blades

      They come standard on cars now? Those kinky Floridians.

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  26. DEN? by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

    Musta took a wrong turn at ABQ.

    1. Re:DEN? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

      Hey, look on the bright side. At least you don't have to take a shuttle bus and go through security again to get to your connecting flight (*cough* PHX *cough*)

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  27. quite offensive? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    are you emotionally invested in the taxonomy of small furry mammals?

    whatever you do, do NOT click this link, your level of offense might give you a heart attack, this is abu ghraib level offense:

    http://www.fsinet.or.jp/~sokaisha/rabbit/991121/991121.htm

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    1. Re:quite offensive? by rueger · · Score: 1

      Hmmph - if it's rogue content that you want, go for this - at your own risk.. nothing cute and cuddly here.

    2. Re:quite offensive? by scubamage · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have no idea what you are talking about.

  28. Oh... what a pity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh... seriously... Who on earth did NOT thought that this all was publicity about "Rabbing Rabbids" game franchise!!!!!!!

    1. Re:Oh... what a pity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I, for one, did not thought about it at all..... I did think about it, but that's beside the point.

  29. In Germany too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Germany these guys like to eat parts of the cooling system of cars. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marten

    My dad once bought a system that allowed to wrap everything in wires and the animals would get shocked if they chewed on it.

  30. 1995 Jeep Wrangler by stevegee58 · · Score: 1

    Same thing, only fuel lines instead of wire insulation and for me it was chipmunks and mice.
    Had to replace all the fuel line with reinforced rubber tractor fuel line.

  31. Solution by simonsays22 · · Score: 1

    Quick! Someone find a holy hand grenade

  32. Anya was RIGHT by Saysys · · Score: 1
  33. That explains a lot by Centurion5 · · Score: 1

    I work at an airport in the St. Louis, MO area. We had a customer that left a car in the parking lot long term and rabbits chewed through his entire wiring harness. Other vehicles that sat long term have had similar but not as severe problems. Now we know why.

  34. Same thing but a mouse in new Mini by mpacker · · Score: 1

    I had a 2002 Mini that had a wire chewed though the spark plug wire on the distiributer cap. The Mechanic said that the mouse had made a little nest by the manafold to keep warm. Did I Mention this was inside my garage. The mouse squeeze in and crawl up inside the car. It felt good trapping that little pain in ass after my $400 repair bill from Mini.

  35. The silver lining here.. by Dyolf+Knip · · Score: 1

    This does suggest that widespread use of soy or hemp-based plastics would be even more eco-friendly than previously thought. They'll not only decompose faster and more thoroughly than petro-plastics, but that process is actively assisted by the local fauna!

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  36. 1...2....5! by DrugCheese · · Score: 1

    3 sir!

    3!

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  37. beware the rabbit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I actually left my car in this lot all last week and managed to survive... at least to my knowledge... damn things might be in my car as we speak.

  38. "quite offensive"? by Trip6 · · Score: 1

    "...quite offensive"? Dude, man up. Seriously.

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  39. The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch won't help by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 1

    Sure, go ahead and use the Holy Hand Grenade. Just be sure to have your mail forwarded to Guantanamo Bay, which is where you'll end up after the TSA gets done with you.

  40. Come on by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

    Come on, it's just a little old bunny rabbit. I'll cut his head off!

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  41. power cord switch by DrYak · · Score: 1

    lots of lamps have their switch on the cable, so the portion between the switch and the lamp works exactly as the switch controlled-outlet.
    so the parent is right : as long as the lamp is off (=the loop isn't closed) Mr. Rabbit is safe. And if he managed to short the exposed wires during his meal, you're going to discover some sparkling surprise next time you turn on the switch.

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    1. Re:power cord switch by hawguy · · Score: 1

      lots of lamps have their switch on the cable, so the portion between the switch and the lamp works exactly as the switch controlled-outlet.
      so the parent is right : as long as the lamp is off (=the loop isn't closed) Mr. Rabbit is safe. And if he managed to short the exposed wires during his meal, you're going to discover some sparkling surprise next time you turn on the switch.

      Except that he's talking about a refrigerator and specifically said appliance not lamp:

      My aunt's rabbit chewed through her refrigerator power cable twice, and one of my rabbits, before she was no longer allowed to roam the house, chewed every cable off the back of a computer (all low-current save the power cable) on two occasions. Thing is: if the appliance isn't drawing power right then, they can chew through with impunity

      I've never seen a refrigerator with an inline switch in the power cord.

    2. Re:power cord switch by norminator · · Score: 1

      Isn't the switch usually closer to the lamp than to the outlet? (It's been a while since I've used a lamp like that, so I'm not sure). If so, then the longest part, which is also that part that would be within a rabbit's easy reach on the floor is the part that is live all the time.

  42. On a related note by temojen · · Score: 1

    Most of the things the reporter is pointing to under the hood of that car are actually fuel or vacuum lines, not wires.

  43. Car eating wabbits... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well I suppose this story is more belivable than gigant paranhas jumping out of the water and devouring an entire roflcopter in one tasty bite.

    What I find hard to believe reporters made no attempt to contact any car manufacturer to see if they were doing anything about the problem. I trust electric car manufacturers will not be sourcing the same wiring in their vechicles?

  44. Provincial description. by Eivind+Eklund · · Score: 1

    Most of the world does not have a neutral line, but two hot lines.

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    1. Re:Provincial description. by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Where are these places? I thought most modern wiring practices use a hot and neutral wire (where neutral is at ground potential). They don't always make a distinction between hot and neutral at the outlet since often the outlet is unpolarized, but there is still a neutral. I'll admit to being completely unfamiliar with most asian wiring standards.

      Is there any bonding between the incoming power legs and ground? What is the potential between the two hots and ground?

    2. Re:Provincial description. by mirix · · Score: 1

      Well not exactly.

      Here (here being north america) when you get 120v, you get a hot and a neutral. When you get 240V, you get two hots, due to the fact that the centre-tap of the mains transformer is grounded. so you get 120-0-120.

      In parts of europe that have the same setup as us, it's just higher voltage, 240-0-240, so they only have a single hot. 480V things would be dual-hot there, though.

      Other parts of europe have only single phase though (no "split phase" with the trafo) which is still single hot. Then other parts yet will have 3 phase power in the home.
      I'm not terribly familiar with the power systems in the rest of the world, but I believe it would be along similar lines.

      I don't think any parts of the 240V world have the 120-0-120 setup like we do, but stranger things have happened, so who knows.

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    3. Re:Provincial description. by hawguy · · Score: 1

      That makes perfect sense, but I wish Eivind Eklund would elaborate on his comment that some places use two hots but no neutral. What are they hot in relation to? Just to each other? So it'd be kind of like an outlet with an isolation transformer? Is there any ground reference at all?

    4. Re:Provincial description. by Eivind+Eklund · · Score: 1

      I was wrong. I was certain that both leads in Europe (Norway) were equivalently hot; I know both of them will show up as hot if I measure them or give me a shock when I touch them. I've always understood it as if they were equivalent.

      However, reading more on the topic, it looks like one of them is tied with ground (ie, neutral) and the other isn't.

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  45. Obligatory star wars reference... by Dogbertius · · Score: 1

    Mynocks. Probably chewing on the power cables.

  46. so here's a picture of by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    a rodent, i'm sorry, a lagomorph engaged in quite offensive nonconsensual anthropocentric unbalanced orthogonal weight stressor torture. think of the post traumatic stress and joint wear and tear! quite offensive!

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  47. Somebody mod this moron down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... before his advice gets someone else seriously hurt.

  48. Cats too. by antdude · · Score: 1

    I have a cyberfriend, whose family cat, chewed on wires/cables too. The couples finally bought sprays to leave bad taste on wires/cables. The cat stopped chewing them and was too scared because of the awful taste.

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  49. Rabbits and "Roof Rats" too! by ChilyWily · · Score: 1

    My girlfriend reported that her Car's A/C had abruptly gone dead.
    Upon investigation, some rabbits/roof rats had eaten off the insulation
    off wires leading to the A/C unit on the car's exposed under belly.
    We initially though the vermin were out there for heat under a chilly
    night but this story lends a completely new perspective.

    I wonder if other species have similar propensities - Sharks and undersea cables?

  50. I had the same problem with mynocks by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    They kept chewing on the power couplings outside my YT-1300.

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  51. Sir Robin the Brave by e3m4n · · Score: 1

    I nearly soiled my armour I was so scared.

  52. With my speaw and magic helmet... by cmdr_klarg · · Score: 1

    ... I will KILL the wabbit!

    Yo ho ho HO!! Yo ho ho HO!!

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  53. The book of Armaments by OrangeMonkey11 · · Score: 1

        MAYNARD: Armaments, Chapter Two, Verses Nine to Twenty-One.
        BROTHER: "And Saint Atila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying,
                'Oh, Lord, bless this thy hand grenade that with it thou mayest blow
                thy enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And the Lord did grin, and
                people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies,
                and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large --"
        MAYNARD: Skip a bit, Brother.
        BROTHER: "And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the
                Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three
                shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting
                shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two,
                excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once
                the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou
                thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thou foe, who being naughty
                in my sight, shall snuff it.'"
        MAYNARD: Amen.
        ALL: Amen.

  54. Car companies must be dumb... by Qubit · · Score: 1

    I mean, come on -- small animals love to climb into cars, especially as they are warm and sheltered environments. Wouldn't it be logical to think about animals trying to eat exposed pieces of the car and take preventative steps?

    Consult with a chemist, dummies. Use a horrible-tasting additive to make the wire coatings unappealing to animals.

    Heck, they even make this kind of thing for humans, too.
    (Fun Fact: Wikipedia says that denatonium benzoate is the most-bitter compound we know of. Suck on that, lemons!)

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  55. They are coating wires with food, by dtmancom · · Score: 1

    ...and then are surprised when stuff wants to eat it? If only there was some alternative to food-based insulation that was long lasting and nothing wanted to ingest it. If I can figure it out and patent it it would be a huge leap forward in technology and human advancement. We'll no longer be stuck using food as insulation.

  56. confusing stories by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Sorry, I missed the flow of things.

    Refrigerators : Well the switch in this case is inside the fridge itself - a relay that is controlled by a low power electronic.

    So, if Mr. Rabbit isn't grounded at that moment (so it depends on the floor material. The only loop should be : wall socket - half of the wire - tooth - other half of the wire - fridge)....

    As the controller is low power, the risk isn't that high (as long a one wire get chewed at a time), and Mr Rabbit *could* survive getting himself connected *in series* very *briefly* with an electronic component which only drains a *couple of Watts*

    Of course if the fridge starts exactly at the moment the live wire get bitten, Mr. Rabbit is suddenly connected in series with a *compressor* (which uses quite a lot of current, which has all to go through the tooth as it is in series, assuming the mentioned condition : isolating floor + tooth cutting through the wire)

    Please kids, don't try this at home unsupervised.

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  57. In Soviet Russia ... by sipan · · Score: 1

    ... rodents(mice) where the #1 threat to ballistic missiles. The future missile force officers were taught in one of their classes that missile silos should be kept mice free, because mice like to snack on insulation covering wires in all those 50-100 wire cables.

  58. Hot sauce stops pack rats. by gg1 · · Score: 1

    My 98 Subaru had ignition wires gnawed through twice by pack rats. First time thought it was neighborhood vandals. On third set of ignition wires in 2 weeks was instructed to put hot sauce on wires and used www.cpontaneouscombustion.com hot sauce. On bottle was Caution Notice: Extremely Hot, use sparingly. Avoid contact with eyes and other sensitive areas. I wanted rat poison so did not try it, Hispanic Subaru service counter man thought it couldn’t be that bad and put a drop on his finger and then tongue and then went off for a drink of water saying it was bad. After coating ignition wires rats stayed away from my car after treatment.

  59. Older cars are vulnerable too. by CaptainPotato · · Score: 1

    First car I ever bought - a 1977 Leyland Mini (a real bomb, as it turned out) had its engine die within 300km of buying it. When I took it to the mechanic, it turned out that the problem was that a family of rats had built its home behind the dashboard and chewed through the cable for the oil warning light, so I never received a warning that I was low on oil.

    Nice to see that nothing has changed...

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  60. This, and other reasons by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

    This, and other reasons, is why I prefer older vehicles.

    Sure, rodents will chew the wires in older vehicles, too. But it's not nearly as tempting - not only have the wire on the older car wires given off most of their off-gassing already (which, I presume, would not attract them as much) but the coatings aren't as tempting to begin with.

    Combine this with lower maintenance costs due to simpler mechanisms and cheaper parts (less to go wrong), and you've got a win. (Strut assembly for a 2005 Prius: $54. Strut assembly for a 2000 Ford Focus: $39 ($51 for the 2010 Focus). Strut on a 1990 Taurus: $24.

    As for another rough example, but I can rebuild the entire suspension on my 1989 (I-beam frame) Ford truck for around $350. Hell, half the body can be destroyed in an accident and only minimal suspension/point parts have to be replaced. You can't even repair the frame/body on these newer vehicles. (Yay, unibody.)

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  61. Danger Danger Will Robinson !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My Mcafee Site Advisor repeatable denies the link as a browser exploit. even though i do read jalopnik frequently and have never had a problem with the site itself.

  62. Had the same problem by duskycat · · Score: 1

    Rats ate my wiring on my car John Edwards web design, websites built

  63. Rabbits are not rodents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit

    They are of the order Lagomorpha. I am tired of rodents getting their name tarnished by imposters.

  64. Rabbits by MICHICAUST · · Score: 1

    are not rodents, they're rabbit-esques ("Kaninchenartige" in German.. anyone care to correctly translate? ).