They also want to nickel and dime you on the content you consume. Sure, there are some free apps, and some free music, and some free videos.. but you are still in their store getting it.
Speaking of intellectually dishonest... have you never heard of simply encoding your own music and videos and loading them up?
As for applications, well, yeah, some people want to get paid for the applications they write. That's their choice thanks to a lovely concept called "copyright law". If you don't like it, stick to the free alternatives, or move to another country where they don't have such a concept.
Only on droid 2, droid 1 you just flash a rom that is already rooted on to the phone.
Oh, well, that totally invalidates his point about the droid 2...
Besides, given the Droid 2 is locked down, I think it safe to say that's what Motorola intended from the get-go. They just happened to fail with the Droid 1.
Of course, that would be silly, as the carriers and device manufacturers are Google's customers. Not us. Them. Anyone who claims otherwise doesn't understand the telecom business.
The real question is, *why* is Google pushing to get into mobile? The obvious answer is that it gives them a whole new avenue for advertising, data gathering, etc. Google TV? Same thing.
Weird that you say that given that, at its core, Windows NT and on is architected as a microkernel with large swathes of the OS running in user space. Meanwhile, the operating system has a very powerful fine-grained access control scheme (which can actually be a pain in the arse, sometimes, due to its complexity). The real problem was always legacy applications.
Unfortunately, it wasn't until later that OSX proved that breaking away from that legacy and using virtualization as a transition mechanism could work, as computers are sufficiently powerful, these days, to make that an option.
We need the vendors like Linksys, Belkin, Apple, Netgear, Motorola and others who make the home routers, cable/ADSL modems and modem/router combos to start supporting IPv6.
When the heck did you last survey the industry? 2001? These devices already exist. Heck, I bought an $80 consumer-grade 802.11n router that does IPv6 out of the box. And Apple's Airport has supported v6 for years. Even my freakin' iPod Touch supports IPv6 out of the box.
If someone just wanted to build something, why wouldn't they build something useful, instead of just profitable?
Yeah, you're right! Obviously those millions and millions of people on Facebook are just, I dunno... dups or something. I mean, it can't *possibly* be useful, 'cuz a Slashbot said so.
Of course, now that I think about it, the answer is quite simple: subliminal brainwashing and an alien conspiracy.
Yeah, the UID's primary use is in linking back user activities directly to a particular FB account. So while this doesn't expose private information in the FB account itself, it does make it trivial to correlate activities from various apps in order to build a more detailed profile of a given FB user.
Huh? What the hell did *you* do to allow this guy to make an employment choice based on something other than financial desperation?
Working for a company based on your morals and ideals is probably the #1 reason US unemployment is over 10% nation-wide.
Shit, *that's* the reason? And here I thought it was opportunistic douchebags doing anything for a buck, completely disregarding any kind of moral [or] ideological beliefs in the pursuit of the almighty buck, leading to the destruction of large portions of the American economy. Man, what was I thinking...
Right, so magically by fate all the asshats of society tend to wind up in these positions of power, while good natured people never ever have any management influence.
Magically? No. It's inevitable.
Dickholes ignore the very societal conventions you think are so very important in order to reach the top of their respective professions. That's just life. Suck it up.
Uh, I live in a universe where a bunch of people get together in a room...
Those people aren't "society", they're just a group of asshats. And asshats like that exist in all societies, eastern or western, past or present. And they're certainly not evidence for how "sick" "society" is.
You're saying "lock down is good and users love it!"
I'm not. Learn to fucking read. No, really, go back and re-read my post. Where did *I* make that claim? Please, find the text and quote where *I personally made that claim*. Go ahead. Give it a shot.
Seriously, I'm done, here. I'm not sure if your reading comprehension is just weak, you're too stupid to comprehend what I've written, or you're too blinded by your ideology to see through the thick fog of your beliefs in order to understand what I'm saying, but after four replies reiterating my point, it's become obviously you're simply incapable of grasping it.
No. It's not. It's no different today than it's ever been. You're suffering from the traditional "in the good ol' days" delusion that typically strikes people in their 40s.
There are many, many people talking about the sad state of this world.
And it's all bullshit. They're either demagogues, or enraptured by demagogues.
Yet they completely miss the underlying problem of failing ethic, the lack of any cohesive philosophy in the general population.
Funny, you're starting to sound like every dictator in history. You sound like the Nazi regmine, or the PRC government, or the Japanese pre-WWII. It's stirring and resounds with people too dumb to see through the bullshit, but it's bullshit nevertheless.
Are you, next, gonna pick a nice minority group you can blame for all of society's ills?
Why do we live in a society where people are raised to think this is acceptable?
People don't think those things are acceptable. What the hell universe do you live in where they do?
Soooo, you're basically throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks? Oh and carefully ignoring counterpoints that have been shown to actually happen?
Nooo... I'm arguing a point. You're ignoring that point because you're wrong, and attempting to change the subject. If it's not clear what that point is, allow me to reiterate, as you seem a little slow.
You said:
I don't recall ever hearing an end user trumpet the fact that it is locked down as an advantage over Android.
I said:
Higher quality apps and reduced chance of malware are the most commonly touted advantages.
Full stop. There is no argument past this, unless you have evidence that there are no users who claim those advantages exist. Of course, you can't make that claim because people *do* believe those advantages exist.
At this point, of course, you lost. But, alas, you can't seem to handle that. So you decided to, instead, change the argument to one of disputing the validity of those claims, rather than the existence of them. I, however, don't care to have that argument.
There is no perception that lock down is good.
Yes. There is. I've already pointed that out. You just can't admit you're wrong.
But go ahead, harp on me more for arguing in favor of the end user
Yes, you are truly Jesus, Luke Skywalker, the Buddha, Robin Hood, and Eric Stallman combined into one. You are a stalwart freedom fighter working for the common good. I bow before your shining nobility.
I don't recall ever hearing an end user trumpet the fact that it is locked down as an advantage over Android.
Huh, I hear it all the time.
Higher quality apps and reduced chance of malware are the most commonly touted advantages.
And before you start point out how Android has good quality apps, or Apple's vetting process doesn't prevent malware or something... fuck off, I don't care. You claimed people don't see an advantage in Apple's system. I'm only pointing out the common advantages people claim to see, and am not making any statements regarding the worthiness of those claims, nor do I have any interest in discussing it.
And condisering that people were being killed weekly for conspiring with the US anyway(accuratly or not) I doubt it made much real difference to the number of people being killed.
Wow, you really are an asshole, aren't you?
One life is too many.
It saddens me that your bloodlust makes this impossible for you to understand.
Ahh, I see you completely missed my point. So I'll be explicit:
You have an idiotic, simplistic, idealized view of eastern societies in general, and "honour-based societies" in particular. Your views on these cultures betray your life as a basement dweller idealizing Klingons and ninjas in bad action films. Your views are no more grounded or realistic than The Karate Kid, and are about as useful in dealing with the real life problems of American society as the Crane Kick is in a street fight.
What we need is an honor system like old Eastern philosophies had. One where we care more about honor and philosophy than money and economics.
Good call, then, when your daughter does something to dishonour the family, you can just kill her! Hell, let's go further. Those eastern philosophies have fun stuff like caste systems. I say we just relabel the homeless as untouchables... problem solved, right?
I proposed Opera as an alternative which had those things built in, and they said they didn't like Opera because it didn't have extensions.
And did you delve deeper? Did you ask them what extensions they use? Because I can't imagine someone simply saying "the browser must be extensible through add-on components" without having a particular reason to want that feature (ie, specific extensions they use daily).
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The real problem is that courts tend to automatically accept EULAs as being valid contracts
Huh?
Give me a single citation of a case where a court accepted an EULA as a valid contract.
iStuff just works until you want to do something Steve hasn't pre-approved.
And weirdly, for a lot of people (evidentally millions and millions of people)... that's good enough. *shrug*
They also want to nickel and dime you on the content you consume. Sure, there are some free apps, and some free music, and some free videos.. but you are still in their store getting it.
Speaking of intellectually dishonest... have you never heard of simply encoding your own music and videos and loading them up?
As for applications, well, yeah, some people want to get paid for the applications they write. That's their choice thanks to a lovely concept called "copyright law". If you don't like it, stick to the free alternatives, or move to another country where they don't have such a concept.
Only on droid 2, droid 1 you just flash a rom that is already rooted on to the phone.
Oh, well, that totally invalidates his point about the droid 2...
Besides, given the Droid 2 is locked down, I think it safe to say that's what Motorola intended from the get-go. They just happened to fail with the Droid 1.
Of course, that would be silly, as the carriers and device manufacturers are Google's customers. Not us. Them. Anyone who claims otherwise doesn't understand the telecom business.
The real question is, *why* is Google pushing to get into mobile? The obvious answer is that it gives them a whole new avenue for advertising, data gathering, etc. Google TV? Same thing.
Weird that you say that given that, at its core, Windows NT and on is architected as a microkernel with large swathes of the OS running in user space. Meanwhile, the operating system has a very powerful fine-grained access control scheme (which can actually be a pain in the arse, sometimes, due to its complexity). The real problem was always legacy applications.
Unfortunately, it wasn't until later that OSX proved that breaking away from that legacy and using virtualization as a transition mechanism could work, as computers are sufficiently powerful, these days, to make that an option.
We need the vendors like Linksys, Belkin, Apple, Netgear, Motorola and others who make the home routers, cable/ADSL modems and modem/router combos to start supporting IPv6.
When the heck did you last survey the industry? 2001? These devices already exist. Heck, I bought an $80 consumer-grade 802.11n router that does IPv6 out of the box. And Apple's Airport has supported v6 for years. Even my freakin' iPod Touch supports IPv6 out of the box.
Steve Jobs is lauded as the second coming of Christ.
ROFL, wow... you *really* don't spend a lot of time around here, do you?
If someone just wanted to build something, why wouldn't they build something useful, instead of just profitable?
Yeah, you're right! Obviously those millions and millions of people on Facebook are just, I dunno... dups or something. I mean, it can't *possibly* be useful, 'cuz a Slashbot said so.
Of course, now that I think about it, the answer is quite simple: subliminal brainwashing and an alien conspiracy.
Yeah, the UID's primary use is in linking back user activities directly to a particular FB account. So while this doesn't expose private information in the FB account itself, it does make it trivial to correlate activities from various apps in order to build a more detailed profile of a given FB user.
For the (n+1) th time. Beg the question does not mean raise the question.
For the last time, colloquially, it does. Fuck off, pedant, and find something more constructive to do with your time.
I'm sure glad we've provided this luxury for you.
Huh? What the hell did *you* do to allow this guy to make an employment choice based on something other than financial desperation?
Working for a company based on your morals and ideals is probably the #1 reason US unemployment is over 10% nation-wide.
Shit, *that's* the reason? And here I thought it was opportunistic douchebags doing anything for a buck, completely disregarding any kind of moral [or] ideological beliefs in the pursuit of the almighty buck, leading to the destruction of large portions of the American economy. Man, what was I thinking...
Right, so magically by fate all the asshats of society tend to wind up in these positions of power, while good natured people never ever have any management influence.
Magically? No. It's inevitable.
Dickholes ignore the very societal conventions you think are so very important in order to reach the top of their respective professions. That's just life. Suck it up.
Uh, I live in a universe where a bunch of people get together in a room...
Those people aren't "society", they're just a group of asshats. And asshats like that exist in all societies, eastern or western, past or present. And they're certainly not evidence for how "sick" "society" is.
You're saying "lock down is good and users love it!"
I'm not. Learn to fucking read. No, really, go back and re-read my post. Where did *I* make that claim? Please, find the text and quote where *I personally made that claim*. Go ahead. Give it a shot.
Seriously, I'm done, here. I'm not sure if your reading comprehension is just weak, you're too stupid to comprehend what I've written, or you're too blinded by your ideology to see through the thick fog of your beliefs in order to understand what I'm saying, but after four replies reiterating my point, it's become obviously you're simply incapable of grasping it.
The world around me is very, very sick.
No. It's not. It's no different today than it's ever been. You're suffering from the traditional "in the good ol' days" delusion that typically strikes people in their 40s.
There are many, many people talking about the sad state of this world.
And it's all bullshit. They're either demagogues, or enraptured by demagogues.
Yet they completely miss the underlying problem of failing ethic, the lack of any cohesive philosophy in the general population.
Funny, you're starting to sound like every dictator in history. You sound like the Nazi regmine, or the PRC government, or the Japanese pre-WWII. It's stirring and resounds with people too dumb to see through the bullshit, but it's bullshit nevertheless.
Are you, next, gonna pick a nice minority group you can blame for all of society's ills?
Why do we live in a society where people are raised to think this is acceptable?
People don't think those things are acceptable. What the hell universe do you live in where they do?
Soooo, you're basically throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks? Oh and carefully ignoring counterpoints that have been shown to actually happen?
Nooo... I'm arguing a point. You're ignoring that point because you're wrong, and attempting to change the subject. If it's not clear what that point is, allow me to reiterate, as you seem a little slow.
You said:
I said:
Full stop. There is no argument past this, unless you have evidence that there are no users who claim those advantages exist. Of course, you can't make that claim because people *do* believe those advantages exist.
At this point, of course, you lost. But, alas, you can't seem to handle that. So you decided to, instead, change the argument to one of disputing the validity of those claims, rather than the existence of them. I, however, don't care to have that argument.
There is no perception that lock down is good.
Yes. There is. I've already pointed that out. You just can't admit you're wrong.
But go ahead, harp on me more for arguing in favor of the end user
Yes, you are truly Jesus, Luke Skywalker, the Buddha, Robin Hood, and Eric Stallman combined into one. You are a stalwart freedom fighter working for the common good. I bow before your shining nobility.
If you read my response to Desler, that's been shown to be false.
Wow, you completely ignored me and proceeded to argue this point, anyway. What the hell is wrong with you?
I spoke of "commonly touted advantages". I don't care if they're correct or not. People believe them, contrary to your claims.
I don't recall ever hearing an end user trumpet the fact that it is locked down as an advantage over Android.
Huh, I hear it all the time.
Higher quality apps and reduced chance of malware are the most commonly touted advantages.
And before you start point out how Android has good quality apps, or Apple's vetting process doesn't prevent malware or something... fuck off, I don't care. You claimed people don't see an advantage in Apple's system. I'm only pointing out the common advantages people claim to see, and am not making any statements regarding the worthiness of those claims, nor do I have any interest in discussing it.
And condisering that people were being killed weekly for conspiring with the US anyway(accuratly or not) I doubt it made much real difference to the number of people being killed.
Wow, you really are an asshole, aren't you?
One life is too many.
It saddens me that your bloodlust makes this impossible for you to understand.
Ahh, I see you completely missed my point. So I'll be explicit:
You have an idiotic, simplistic, idealized view of eastern societies in general, and "honour-based societies" in particular. Your views on these cultures betray your life as a basement dweller idealizing Klingons and ninjas in bad action films. Your views are no more grounded or realistic than The Karate Kid, and are about as useful in dealing with the real life problems of American society as the Crane Kick is in a street fight.
LOLFR, diaspora replacing Facebook...
Wait, you *are* joking, right?
What we need is an honor system like old Eastern philosophies had. One where we care more about honor and philosophy than money and economics.
Good call, then, when your daughter does something to dishonour the family, you can just kill her! Hell, let's go further. Those eastern philosophies have fun stuff like caste systems. I say we just relabel the homeless as untouchables... problem solved, right?
I proposed Opera as an alternative which had those things built in, and they said they didn't like Opera because it didn't have extensions.
And did you delve deeper? Did you ask them what extensions they use? Because I can't imagine someone simply saying "the browser must be extensible through add-on components" without having a particular reason to want that feature (ie, specific extensions they use daily).
Duuuude...