The AMD branded cooler master that came with mine in the amd box never had a problem keeping things cool, but it was so damn loud my wife complained about it from across the apartment 2 rooms down the hall
TDP has little to do with how much power a CPU sucks out of the supply, the 8 core 4.2 ghz under full load will suck almost 300 watts of power
my 4170 quad sucks down 198 watts and my old ATI6870 sucks 247 under full load so without thinking about motherboard, fans, optical disk's, shit plugged into the ports, hard drive or goofy lights I am at 445, so just plopping in a new CPU breaks my power budget
the FX is pretty garbage, I have a FX4170, and its noticeably better than my old phenom II 720, it can outrun an i5 in daily operations, it cant hold a candle to the i7
you will have to spend that extra 75 bucks on cooling and a power supply though so you really end up spending about the same for a lower performing chip
that's what kind of happened to me, havent had an intel system since the pentium 1, went to go upgrade / make a new box, so getting a new mb and video card anyway, both the AMD and INTEL gigabyte brand motherboards were 80ish bucks, the 8 core AMD was cheaper, but knowing from my quad core I instantly needed a 40$ fan cause the OEM fans work, but sound like a jet engine under the slightest load (clocked it at 6,000 rpm, little 60mm thing) and my 600 watt corsair was about 120 watts underpowered to sustain the cpu and video card.
so boom instantly my cpu costs were the same as a i7 3770K, which is faster than the 8 core 4ghz FX, and leaves almost 100 watts of breathing room on my 600 watt supply.
I went to go upgrade my quad core FX last year, in order to get the 8 core I needed a new fan (cause the ones amd ship are a joke... they keep it cool, running at 6k rpm and loud as a jet) and a new power supply
by the time I bought those two things I was at the price of a 3770k and still didnt get close to performance.. bought intel
until AMD can get their power to power ratio in line they are just not worth looking at in the mid to upper end, and no one cares about the low end, go get yourself a 99$ off lease core2 duo, why not, its got about the same power consumption and is still slightly faster chip than what AMD has in the low end market
if you bothered to investigate the site they have many classes
what pisses me off is the nearly 1.5 grand spent on my wife's required "wellness" class that nearly 2/3rds of the 200$ book was telling your boyfriend you have herpies
god damed 35 years old, been married for nearly 8, what is the point of this for adult students, none, just take it and shut up... thanks for your money, the teacher only held class once every 2 weeks
I just signed up for a switching power supply class on this website
its something I sort of know based on following by example, but hard theory and having a base on why things work the way they do would help me in my profession as we gravitate to that technology
whats to loose? some video game and hulu time? whats to gain? a better understanding of something that is going to be more of a part of my job as time marches on?
sure I will put in 9 weeks and get a free certificate, make my life a bit easier, maybe get a little nod at review time and better myself a little
I work for a small electronics design and manufacturing company that is constantly but stably growing in our field. We employ a small platoon of people working 24/6 but we are extremely automated. Though our equipment may be 10 or in some cases more years old, and we make a lot of custom in house stuff, we are taking biz away from the Chinese constantly.
I dont fear automation, I embrace it... sure we might not employ as many people, but employing good people at a fair wage to do a good job for cheaper cost per unit in the United States is much better than letting it employ near slaves in China and Mexico for lower quality goods many of us might own.
The magic trick is not having one company employing 100,000 or more people, its 1,000 companies that care employing 100 or more people that will bring back manufacturing here.
I agree, I got office 2013 handed to me for work, and wow, snowblind, you can change the theme, but your options are white light grey and dark grey, and the stupid buttons on slashdot are a darker grey than dark grey in office
the scrolling text effect would be nice, but constantly feels like its one step behind what your doing, and here I was thinking we got past the days of input lag on a gui... seriously its like using office on my mac LCII
I have a few other nitpicky things about 2013, but overall, its harder to use, slower to use and the only feature I have found so far that is actually an improvement is a button for remove dupes in excel, other than that, geez I wish I still had 2007 or 10 at work.
they changed to a more NT like driver model and had it mushed in with the 9x model, as long as you were using all of one it was perfectly fine (and I liked it better)
problem was, it wasnt a very well known fact, so you go install sound card software, its got the old driver, everything else was new and bluescreens galore
course most of the computer genius's here never bothered getting the latest drivers for their hardware and bitch and whine about it constantly nearly 15 years after the fact
the problem according to the linux crowd is you want your computer to go into a low power state during periods of transport, nevermind that the lowest common denominator does it just fucking fine
its your hardware's problem and your choice to use it like a normal person
shh, its talk like that gets you downmodded to hell a week after the fact by the fanboi's who think icewasel + linux + libre office is all the universe needs
sorry mods, I dont have my life to dedicate to hacking text files in a god damned console cause linux 3.2+ decided it doesnt know what my 1280x1024 mitusubishi monitor is any more
the only time I got a BSOD was when running a shit program written by self important people, linux on the other hand cant even boot for me without at least one fucked up issue ranging from minor annoyance to broken
seems the smartphone os space is starting to blossom once again, too bad the market has already decided on what it wants, and its not some fresh start, its familiarity with a billion apps already available, bought at your local walmart
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The AMD branded cooler master that came with mine in the amd box never had a problem keeping things cool, but it was so damn loud my wife complained about it from across the apartment 2 rooms down the hall
TDP has little to do with how much power a CPU sucks out of the supply, the 8 core 4.2 ghz under full load will suck almost 300 watts of power
my 4170 quad sucks down 198 watts and my old ATI6870 sucks 247 under full load so without thinking about motherboard, fans, optical disk's, shit plugged into the ports, hard drive or goofy lights I am at 445, so just plopping in a new CPU breaks my power budget
sounds like you just dont know what your doing
the FX is pretty garbage, I have a FX4170, and its noticeably better than my old phenom II 720, it can outrun an i5 in daily operations, it cant hold a candle to the i7
most disappointing AMD chip I have ever bought
you will have to spend that extra 75 bucks on cooling and a power supply though so you really end up spending about the same for a lower performing chip
that's what kind of happened to me, havent had an intel system since the pentium 1, went to go upgrade / make a new box, so getting a new mb and video card anyway, both the AMD and INTEL gigabyte brand motherboards were 80ish bucks, the 8 core AMD was cheaper, but knowing from my quad core I instantly needed a 40$ fan cause the OEM fans work, but sound like a jet engine under the slightest load (clocked it at 6,000 rpm, little 60mm thing) and my 600 watt corsair was about 120 watts underpowered to sustain the cpu and video card.
so boom instantly my cpu costs were the same as a i7 3770K, which is faster than the 8 core 4ghz FX, and leaves almost 100 watts of breathing room on my 600 watt supply.
intel won that battle hands down
I went to go upgrade my quad core FX last year, in order to get the 8 core I needed a new fan (cause the ones amd ship are a joke ... they keep it cool, running at 6k rpm and loud as a jet) and a new power supply
by the time I bought those two things I was at the price of a 3770k and still didnt get close to performance .. bought intel
until AMD can get their power to power ratio in line they are just not worth looking at in the mid to upper end, and no one cares about the low end, go get yourself a 99$ off lease core2 duo, why not, its got about the same power consumption and is still slightly faster chip than what AMD has in the low end market
whats that sound?
its the mighty whoosh!
sad thing is, most of those testimonies could be powered by a rooted nook simple touch and withstand the significant hardware upgrade
last time I was on dialup it was 2007 with two computers, 1 modem
it was tedious, but not unmanageable
not all of us are youth
if you bothered to investigate the site they have many classes
what pisses me off is the nearly 1.5 grand spent on my wife's required "wellness" class that nearly 2/3rds of the 200$ book was telling your boyfriend you have herpies
god damed 35 years old, been married for nearly 8, what is the point of this for adult students, none, just take it and shut up... thanks for your money, the teacher only held class once every 2 weeks
worthless
well
I just signed up for a switching power supply class on this website
its something I sort of know based on following by example, but hard theory and having a base on why things work the way they do would help me in my profession as we gravitate to that technology
whats to loose? some video game and hulu time?
whats to gain? a better understanding of something that is going to be more of a part of my job as time marches on?
sure I will put in 9 weeks and get a free certificate, make my life a bit easier, maybe get a little nod at review time and better myself a little
but does it count to credits?
I work for a small electronics design and manufacturing company that is constantly but stably growing in our field. We employ a small platoon of people working 24/6 but we are extremely automated. Though our equipment may be 10 or in some cases more years old, and we make a lot of custom in house stuff, we are taking biz away from the Chinese constantly.
I dont fear automation, I embrace it ... sure we might not employ as many people, but employing good people at a fair wage to do a good job for cheaper cost per unit in the United States is much better than letting it employ near slaves in China and Mexico for lower quality goods many of us might own.
The magic trick is not having one company employing 100,000 or more people, its 1,000 companies that care employing 100 or more people that will bring back manufacturing here.
I agree, I got office 2013 handed to me for work, and wow, snowblind, you can change the theme, but your options are white light grey and dark grey, and the stupid buttons on slashdot are a darker grey than dark grey in office
the scrolling text effect would be nice, but constantly feels like its one step behind what your doing, and here I was thinking we got past the days of input lag on a gui... seriously its like using office on my mac LCII
I have a few other nitpicky things about 2013, but overall, its harder to use, slower to use and the only feature I have found so far that is actually an improvement is a button for remove dupes in excel, other than that, geez I wish I still had 2007 or 10 at work.
they changed to a more NT like driver model and had it mushed in with the 9x model, as long as you were using all of one it was perfectly fine (and I liked it better)
problem was, it wasnt a very well known fact, so you go install sound card software, its got the old driver, everything else was new and bluescreens galore
course most of the computer genius's here never bothered getting the latest drivers for their hardware and bitch and whine about it constantly nearly 15 years after the fact
I dont know what this rant is, but its mostly wrong on almost every level
heh, the only reason old shitty used mac's cost so much is cause some dumbass paid 3x market value for one when it was new
you really think your core2 17 inch imac is honestly worth 600$ in 2013?
mac users do
How many other executives would stop production to do that?
oh thank jesus jobs for that great innovation!
poorly, and software being presented in a browser is not the browser itself
even ailenware is junk, we have a stack of them at work trying to cheap out the precisions, and they do nothing but constantly fail
exactly
the problem according to the linux crowd is you want your computer to go into a low power state during periods of transport, nevermind that the lowest common denominator does it just fucking fine
its your hardware's problem and your choice to use it like a normal person
she is not bad looking, but too hawt to be a programmer?
shh, its talk like that gets you downmodded to hell a week after the fact by the fanboi's who think icewasel + linux + libre office is all the universe needs
sorry mods, I dont have my life to dedicate to hacking text files in a god damned console cause linux 3.2+ decided it doesnt know what my 1280x1024 mitusubishi monitor is any more
last damn straw
the only time I got a BSOD was when running a shit program written by self important people, linux on the other hand cant even boot for me without at least one fucked up issue ranging from minor annoyance to broken
linux is mostly a waste of time
problem is that most of the time it takes its sweet ass time
known bug that got by review
caught
wait half a decade for known bug to be fixed or more likley forgotten so it still remains in next version, goto 10
seems the smartphone os space is starting to blossom once again, too bad the market has already decided on what it wants, and its not some fresh start, its familiarity with a billion apps already available, bought at your local walmart
yea I hate Christmas as well, it used to be magic but now its just a whore, drive ins never progressed to whore status