Here is the most succinctly-put set of reasons I've seen yet about why Windows-NT won't work, and is not likely to start working right in the near to mid term future.
An excellent analysis of the real costs NT will incur from IT in the coming months.
Also, a few really good insights into the problems Microsoft faces in retooling NT5 for network portable client transparency and user context passing and preservation.
The previous 3 articles in the series are worth reading, too.
JWZ is TEN times the hacker that Janni is a musician. I'm not flaming Your musical tastes. I'm flaming Your deflicted perception of skill.
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Bravo! I wrote propaganda once for a living, and I found Your comment right on the mark. Thanks. A definite top scoring observation...6? (I thought 5 was tops...) anyway... 10!
Upon reading this I am reminded of the excellent discussion of the nature of Human Perception and the creation of symbol systems in Gregory Bateson's Book Steps to an Ecology of Mind.
It's a pity it is out of print. I hope this writer can get a hold of it in the Library or somewhere. It would be worth their while to read, and a fabulous followup to anything by McLuhan, like his Culture is Our Business (written with Barrington Nevitt).
Someday, You (sir or madame, can't tell because You didn't have the cojones to sign Your words) will have a need for a piece of software that won't yet exist when You need it.
And You may have to ask for help from one of these "open source hippies" as You have calumnified and characterised them here.
Pray it isn't me...I might not be so ideologically pure that I won't let You starve.
oh, 1 more thing...Bill Gates is one of those stockholders. Apple ill-serves itself if it thinks the Open Source Community will forget that.
Apples moves wrt "opening" some of OS X seem to me to be transparent pandering, without really putting much of anything on the table. I say screw OS X. Concentrate on Linux. Let us not divide ourselves or dilute our purpose...great and robust open code.
Amen. They are spineless lackeys who depend on Redmond for ad revenue in their business of selling clay-coated paper stock. PC Mag and their ilk started out to make it easier for PC Users to get the most out of their machines.
As their advertising revenues grew PC Mag became just another device of Microsoft's to keep PC Users from getting the most out of their machines, unless they use Windows(tm).
--vead
"When Laws are outlawed, only Outlaws will have Laws." - Justin Case, Barrister
Good Point about the inherent weakness of centralisation in the naming system.
A workable naming system is needed, but the prime directive behind the internet was supposed to be rerouting around damaged (incinerated) nodes. It is a convenience to have a domain naming system that is consistent across all parts of the net, but only a convenience.
But, if that is the way it is, then the "master" host file for registration definitely should be stored in more than one place.
My point is that a single domain naming system is not inherently evil, just a matter of programming convenience. And if we use it the host list must be in more than one place, and arranged so that an orderly failover can occur should the primary location go down.
Netscape might not jump on the idea of supporting an alternate dns scheme enthusiastically, given their current situation, but mozilla.org might be interested.
But is the demand there? Is it politically feasable without effort-damaging fallout? Those are the larger questions.
fwiw, every couple of months for the last year or so I have made a point of taking some time to call the sales lines of DELL, Gateway, Quantex, and a few others to shop for a system with Linux preinstalled.
Of course, the only os they will sell prebundled is from microsloth. big surprise. The sales folks are nice enough, and admit that they frankly don't know why they aren't allowed to preinstall Linux. But that leads us to the point of the sales inquiry...to deliver to the OEM Sales rep the message: "No Linux- No Sale. Thanks for Your Time (click)."
Dell in particular irks me, as Mr. Dell has been going around for a year saying his company supports Linux. What a load of crap! Yeah, they'll preinstall it, IF you buy 50 (that's right, FIFTY) server boxes. But Dell won't sell a single User a preinstalled Linux desktop or laptop.
Early last year I bought a high-end inspiron from Dell through Micro's-to-Mainframes, a supplier to my Customer at the time (I am a consultant). At one point I needed some tech support, and while the Dell rep was helpful, the implication was made by Dell that I should not be running anything other than windows, and that they really didn't HAVE to help me, but they would do me some sort of favor for helping.
In all honesty the rep stayed late, beyond the end of his shift, to get me going again. I applaud the effort of going above and beyond like that, to help me out, but deeply resented Dell telling me what os to run...especially when they HAVE no robust, stable, reliable operating systems to offer to the individual buyer.
I know, I know, Dell has recently made a spate of announcements to appear to have jumped onto the Linux bandwagon, but frankly this seems disingenuous...just enough to appease Linux advocates while not alienating Redmond.
Incidentally, I run Redhat 5.2 currently on the inspiron 3000, XF86-neomagic, and it works like a champ!
I don't know if I would buy from Dell in the future, though, given the weasel-like hypocrisy I see them engaging in.
Anyway, the point is: keep up the pressure. Shop around. Don't be afraid to let these OEM's know...No Linux, No Sale!
(most Linux buyers are going to reinstall/tweak/tune the os anyway...but keeping up a little pressure on the vendors to do what they should be doing anyway...namely listening to the market....can't hurt.)
Who knows? Maybe some might listen? Maybe Dell will start telling the truth: "Yes, we are trying to have it both ways. Sure we will preinstall Linux, but not for You, Individual Customer...You are just not important enough for us to do that unless you want 50 servers. And we don't give refunds for unused windows products because we are in Microsoft's pocket"
Yeah, right. I'll start holding my breath now.
I think Toshiba and other hardware vendors will eventually see the light. When manufacturers realise their equipment has a market disadvantage because their device info is not openly available, then they will make the info available- if it means a better chance to sell iron. In the meantime I plan to keep up the pressure.
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So. This is a real story, and not another brilliant hoax?
Suuuuure.
Why not another joke about getting sued for what's on Your site?
Shall we all have a good laugh, now?
Let's all hold our breath while Rob keeps us posted.
Here is the most succinctly-put set of reasons I've seen yet about why Windows-NT won't work, and is not likely to start working right in the near to mid term future.
/ncw-06-1998/ncw-06-lastten.html
An excellent analysis of the real costs NT will incur from IT in the coming months.
Also, a few really good insights into the problems Microsoft faces in retooling NT5 for network portable client transparency and user context passing and preservation.
The previous 3 articles in the series are worth reading, too.
http://www.ncworldmag.com
Horse Shit!
JWZ is TEN times the hacker that Janni is a musician. I'm not flaming Your musical tastes. I'm flaming Your deflicted perception of skill.
Bravo! I wrote propaganda once for a living, and I found Your comment right on the mark. Thanks. A definite top scoring observation...6? (I thought 5 was tops...) anyway... 10!
Upon reading this I am reminded of the excellent discussion of the nature of Human Perception and the creation of symbol systems in Gregory Bateson's Book Steps to an Ecology of Mind.
It's a pity it is out of print. I hope this writer can get a hold of it in the Library or somewhere. It would be worth their while to read, and a fabulous followup to anything by McLuhan, like his Culture is Our Business (written with Barrington Nevitt).
That's my two cents. --dcm
"..you open source hippies."
Someday, You (sir or madame, can't tell because You didn't have the cojones to sign Your words) will have a need for a piece of software that won't yet exist when You need it.
And You may have to ask for help from one of these "open source hippies" as You have calumnified and characterised them here.
Pray it isn't me...I might not be so ideologically pure that I won't let You starve.
oh, 1 more thing...Bill Gates is one of those stockholders. Apple ill-serves itself if it thinks the Open Source Community will forget that.
Apples moves wrt "opening" some of OS X seem to me to be transparent pandering, without really putting much of anything on the table. I say screw OS X. Concentrate on Linux. Let us not divide ourselves or dilute our purpose...great and robust open code.
--vead
Quite right.
I won't even give them 5 years. (Newton Users have Long Memories)...Then Gates can complete his buyout.
. It's been pretty plain since microsloth's $150 million investment/bailout that Steve Jobs is a shill for Bill Gates.
--vead
Amen. They are spineless lackeys who depend on Redmond for ad revenue in their business of selling clay-coated paper stock. PC Mag and their ilk started out to make it easier for PC Users to get the most out of their machines.
As their advertising revenues grew PC Mag became just another device of Microsoft's to keep PC Users from getting the most out of their machines, unless they use Windows(tm).
--vead
"When Laws are outlawed, only Outlaws will have Laws." - Justin Case, Barrister
re: "..an alternate DNS scheme happening some time ago. Does anybody have info on this? "
There have been attempts to institute alternate systems in the past, and still are. One of which I am aware is alternic. They can be found at:
http://www.alternic.net/
Good Point about the inherent weakness of centralisation in the naming system.
A workable naming system is needed, but the prime directive behind the internet was supposed to be rerouting around damaged (incinerated) nodes. It is a convenience to have a domain naming system that is consistent across all parts of the net, but only a convenience.
But, if that is the way it is, then the "master" host file for registration definitely should be stored in more than one place.
My point is that a single domain naming system is not inherently evil, just a matter of programming convenience. And if we use it the host list must be in more than one place, and arranged so that an orderly failover can occur should the primary location go down.
Netscape might not jump on the idea of supporting an alternate dns scheme enthusiastically, given their current situation, but mozilla.org might be interested.
But is the demand there? Is it politically feasable without effort-damaging fallout? Those are the larger questions.
--vead
Toshiba's not alone.
fwiw, every couple of months for the last year or so I have made a point of taking some time to call the sales lines of DELL, Gateway, Quantex, and a few others to shop for a system with Linux preinstalled.
Of course, the only os they will sell prebundled is from microsloth. big surprise. The sales folks are nice enough, and admit that they frankly don't know why they aren't allowed to preinstall Linux. But that leads us to the point of the sales inquiry...to deliver to the OEM Sales rep the message: "No Linux- No Sale. Thanks for Your Time (click)."
Dell in particular irks me, as Mr. Dell has been going around for a year saying his company supports Linux. What a load of crap! Yeah, they'll preinstall it, IF you buy 50 (that's right, FIFTY) server boxes. But Dell won't sell a single User a preinstalled Linux desktop or laptop.
Early last year I bought a high-end inspiron from Dell through Micro's-to-Mainframes, a supplier to my Customer at the time (I am a consultant). At one point I needed some tech support, and while the Dell rep was helpful, the implication was made by Dell that I should not be running anything other than windows, and that they really didn't HAVE to help me, but they would do me some sort of favor for helping.
In all honesty the rep stayed late, beyond the end of his shift, to get me going again. I applaud the effort of going above and beyond like that, to help me out, but deeply resented Dell telling me what os to run...especially when they HAVE no robust, stable, reliable operating systems to offer to the individual buyer.
I know, I know, Dell has recently made a spate of announcements to appear to have jumped onto the Linux bandwagon, but frankly this seems disingenuous...just enough to appease Linux advocates while not alienating Redmond.
Incidentally, I run Redhat 5.2 currently on the inspiron 3000, XF86-neomagic, and it works like a champ!
I don't know if I would buy from Dell in the future, though, given the weasel-like hypocrisy I see them engaging in.
Anyway, the point is: keep up the pressure. Shop around. Don't be afraid to let these OEM's know...No Linux, No Sale!
(most Linux buyers are going to reinstall/tweak/tune the os anyway...but keeping up a little pressure on the vendors to do what they should be doing anyway...namely listening to the market....can't hurt.)
Who knows? Maybe some might listen? Maybe Dell will start telling the truth: "Yes, we are trying to have it both ways. Sure we will preinstall Linux, but not for You, Individual Customer...You are just not important enough for us to do that unless you want 50 servers. And we don't give refunds for unused windows products because we are in Microsoft's pocket"
Yeah, right. I'll start holding my breath now.
I think Toshiba and other hardware vendors will eventually see the light. When manufacturers realise their equipment has a market disadvantage because their device info is not openly available, then they will make the info available- if it means a better chance to sell iron. In the meantime I plan to keep up the pressure.
Gotta go, it's almost time to shop...