Entry Word:
pirate Function: noun Text: a robber on the high seas <little boys dreaming of sailing as pirates> Synonyms buccaneer, corsair, freebooter, picaroon, rover, sea dog, sea robber, sea rover, sea wolf Related Word viking; privateer; looter, marauder, pillager, plunderer, raider
A rather strong word to describe people who copy copyrighted works.
Re:Hate to say this ,but it's not such a bad thing
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Anyways, what's this about RFC 2505 and BCP 30?
Oops, sorry. RFC is an acronym for "Request for Comments", RFCs as published by the IETF (Internet Engineering Task Force) often have those comments already incorporated. RFC 2505 is "Anti-Spam Recommendations for SMTP MTAs".
Some RFCs are merely (but often very) funny, like RFC 1149 ("A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers"), other like RFC 2821 ("Simple Mail Transfer Protocol") can not easily be ignored. BCP means "Best Current Practice", technically not required, but rude if one ignores it. An intranet is IP-based too.;-)
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orbl isn't active anymore, see the NANAE FAQ. The ORBZ in that FAQ is ORB UK, not the ORBZ that was recently shut down.
Selward/XBL. The last was the weirdest, most difficult to contact, and most beligerent.
It is selwErd. If you had read the webpage, you would have noticed it is not a list of open relays. You probably were the 50th person that day telling me your mailserver was not an open relay and demanding I should remove its IP based on that.
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I once had a customer who expected us (the ISP) to change the mail server over to closed-relay (I don't even know if it WAS open-relay then)
RFC 2505 was published February 1999, it is BCP 30.
I believe most of our servers are now closed-relay
In my honest opinion "believing" is not enough nowadays.
Potentially it could be that Microsoft Windows was announced (and possibly trademarked) before X11 got out of the laboratory. And therefore they were dancing around Microsoft's trademarks. I can't think of anyone else who would sue you for calling it X-Windows.
Both Microsoft Windows and X Window System appeared in the mid 80s. I doubt Microsoft could get a generic word like "Windows" trademarked, especially since other software used the same word. The old XWindow-User-HOWTO had a history section which is still available at Google.
It is older, but is not named X-windows. From the man-page (formatting changed due to posting rules):
The X Consortium requests that the following names be used when referring to this software:
X
X Window System
X Version 11
X Window System, Version 11
X11
The license tells a bit about its age:
The X Window System standard was originally developed at the Laboratory for Computer Science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and all rights thereto were assigned to the X Consortium on January 1, 1994. X Consortium, Inc. closed its doors on December 31, 1996. All rights to the X Window System have been assigned to the Open Software Foundation.
Aha, but when you bought that la-z-boy at my garage sale, the privacy policy I made you sign said that I have the right to come to your house and take your beer.
That would be the privacy policy someone else signed. Not confirming subscriptions is like not checking my identity at the garage sale.
You didn't bother to read it, but I'll be over tomorrow at 8:30. And my story holds up in court.
At this point, I would define spam having at least some of the following traits:
1. Forged headers
2. No way to unsubscribe
3. Addresses not legally obtained
4. No response to complaints
Well, of course, you would define it like that. But if it is:
unsolicited
bulk
email
it is spam. You can legally obtain my house address, but that doesn't give the right to take beer from my fridge unless I give you permission. And I don't whether you can identify yourself or will stop taking beer after I complain, I will report you to the proper authorities for theft, just like I will report you to your upstream for your spam.
I have extreme hatred for the EU and all that it stands for.
Yep, your hatred is extreme. Hating a 50+ year period of peace and less pollution in Western Europe is bit over the top, don't you think?
Does that make me a criminal if I havent actualy done anything except state it here?
No, but once you incite violence, it isn't that clear anymore. The war on terrorism is an example of that. Somewhere between stating an opinion and giving the order to kill people, a line has to be drawn. If others draw that line not exactly at the same place you do, they aren't necessarily evil.
Yes, there are honeypots. This page gives an overview of a spam run probably from Alan Ralsky. A nice celebration of the 3rd anniversary of this article by the former head of uu.net's abuse desk:
I have stated we ARE going to implement port 25 filtering on our dial network.
If he's not telling the whole story, and is operating out of a spam haven, or is spamvertising his website with another ISP, then that's another issue.
We already know the original poster didn't tell the whole story: (s)he withheld both the IP of the listed server and the name of the alleged unfair blocklist,
Every time ORBZ test my server, I receive several dozen mis-addressed messages.
No one forces you to accept those messages, in fact most mail servers are able to reject them. The few double bounces you see in your mailbox are relatively few messages when compared to the flood of bounces a victim of a From-header forgery will receive -- I know since I have twice been flooded by qmail servers, the bounces from open relays are easily blocked, thanks to services like ORBZ.
"That act was approved with considerable discussion and the members absolutely knew the balances they were advancing. The DMCA allowed the Internet to grow and by and large the act has worked," [BSA chief executive Robert] Holleyman said.
If I remember correctly, the growth of the Internet came to a screeching halt in the USA just around the time the DMCA was made law.
The inherent brokenness of SMTP is that it delivers just about anything that shows up on port 25. I agree with you that a distributed trust mechanism is needed.
IMHO, that is not an inherent brokenness in SMTP, any good SMTP can be configured to only accept e-mail from trusted sources. There was a time was almost all of the 'Net could be trusted, which is why the default configuration accepts e-mail from
all sources.
The RBL filter is very ineffective (and yes, it includes the DUL and other lists). Spammers know that a large number of sites use these filters, so they perform "hit and run" spamming, finding open mail relays to rape.
If spammers take the trouble of circumventing those filters, they are obviously quite effective.
There are tens of millions of companies just in
the United States (and hundreds of millions in
the whole world). If you manage to opt-out
thousand times a day, you won't even keep up with
all the new companies that start that day and all of them will want you to know about their exciting products.
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And piracy is plain easier to say that "copyright infringement."
"Sharing" is quite easy to say too. People often have a reason to chose certain words.
A rather strong word to describe people who copy copyrighted works.
Anyways, what's this about RFC 2505 and BCP 30?
;-)
Oops, sorry. RFC is an acronym for "Request for Comments", RFCs as published by the IETF (Internet Engineering Task Force) often have those comments already incorporated. RFC 2505 is "Anti-Spam Recommendations for SMTP MTAs".
Some RFCs are merely (but often very) funny, like RFC 1149 ("A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers"), other like RFC 2821 ("Simple Mail Transfer Protocol") can not easily be ignored.
BCP means "Best Current Practice", technically not required, but rude if one ignores it. An intranet is IP-based too.
orbl isn't active anymore, see the NANAE FAQ. The ORBZ in that FAQ is ORB UK, not the ORBZ that was recently shut down.
Selward/XBL. The last was the weirdest, most difficult to contact, and most beligerent.
It is selwErd. If you had read the webpage, you would have noticed it is not a list of open relays. You probably were the 50th person that day telling me your mailserver was not an open relay and demanding I should remove its IP based on that.
I once had a customer who expected us (the ISP) to change the mail server over to closed-relay (I don't even know if it WAS open-relay then)
RFC 2505 was published February 1999, it is BCP 30.
I believe most of our servers are now closed-relay
In my honest opinion "believing" is not enough nowadays.
Potentially it could be that Microsoft Windows was announced (and possibly trademarked) before X11 got out of the laboratory. And therefore they were dancing around Microsoft's trademarks. I can't think of anyone else who would sue you for calling it X-Windows.
Both Microsoft Windows and X Window System appeared in the mid 80s. I doubt Microsoft could get a generic word like "Windows" trademarked, especially since other software used the same word. The old XWindow-User-HOWTO had a history section which is still available at Google.
It is older, but is not named X-windows. From the man-page (formatting changed due to posting rules):
The X Consortium requests that the following names be used when referring to this software:
The license tells a bit about its age:
The X Window System standard was originally developed at the Laboratory for Computer Science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and all rights thereto were assigned to the X Consortium on January 1, 1994.
X Consortium, Inc. closed its doors on December 31, 1996.
All rights to the X Window System have been assigned to the Open Software Foundation.
Aha, but when you bought that la-z-boy at my garage sale, the privacy policy I made you sign said that I have the right to come to your house and take your beer.
That would be the privacy policy someone else signed. Not confirming subscriptions is like not checking my identity at the garage sale.
You didn't bother to read it, but I'll be over tomorrow at 8:30. And my story holds up in court.
My door will be locked (xbl).
Do you have cable?
Yep. but only for TV, for Internet cable's too slow.
Again, reading privacy statements will tell you what can happen to your email.
How can I read a privacy statement if someone else signs me up?
I think an IP address, timestamp, and site of origin will hold up in court without a problem.
Blocking email from IP ranges will hold up in court too.
Also, I should note that confirmations are known as "double opt-in"
No, it is known as opt-in. Just like there is no TCP connection without the SYN, SYN/ACK, ACK handshake.
1. Forged headers
2. No way to unsubscribe
3. Addresses not legally obtained
4. No response to complaints
Well, of course, you would define it like that. But if it is:
- unsolicited
- bulk
- email
it is spam.You can legally obtain my house address, but that doesn't give the right to take beer from my fridge unless I give you permission. And I don't whether you can identify yourself or will stop taking beer after I complain, I will report you to the proper authorities for theft, just like I will report you to your upstream for your spam.
I have extreme hatred for the EU and all that it stands for.
Yep, your hatred is extreme. Hating a 50+ year period of peace and less pollution in Western Europe is bit over the top, don't you think?
Does that make me a criminal if I havent actualy done anything except state it here?
No, but once you incite violence, it isn't that clear anymore. The war on terrorism is an example of that.
Somewhere between stating an opinion and giving the order to kill people, a line has to be drawn. If others draw that line not exactly at the same place you do, they aren't necessarily evil.
Now, organizations like ORDB continue to let me know I am an 'open relay'
Well, you have an open relay, unless you decide to "release" email that claims to be sent from spamtest@[your.IP.num.ber].
I can't wait until there will be nobody left that is capable of sending email because idiots like you are running things.
That won't happen, xbl.selwerd.cx is far more extreme that the major blocklists, but it blocks less than 30% of all email
(a comparison).
Errm, that is exactly how a lot of spammers operate today: they send a small message "Please visit my website at ....".
Did you not read the post? WhiteLion.Net is dead and gone,
Hmm, mail.whitelion.net happily banners with
Connected to mail.whitelion.net.
If he's not telling the whole story, and is operating out of a spam haven, or is spamvertising his website with another ISP, then that's another issue.
We already know the original poster didn't tell the whole story: (s)he withheld both the IP of the listed server and the name of the alleged unfair blocklist,
Every time ORBZ test my server, I receive several dozen mis-addressed messages.
No one forces you to accept those messages, in fact most mail servers are able to reject them. The few double bounces you see in your mailbox are relatively few messages when compared to the flood of bounces a victim of a From-header forgery will receive -- I know since I have twice been flooded by qmail servers, the bounces from open relays are easily blocked, thanks to services like ORBZ.
"That act was approved with considerable discussion and the members absolutely knew the balances they were advancing. The DMCA allowed the Internet to grow and by and large the act has worked," [BSA chief executive Robert] Holleyman said.
If I remember correctly, the growth of the Internet came to a screeching halt in the USA just around the time the DMCA was made law.
You might have more chance to get hired if you changed
cat file | grep pattern
into
grep pattern file
The mere existence of that term IMHO shows that the threshold is greater than 0.
IMHO, that is not an inherent brokenness in SMTP, any good SMTP can be configured to only accept e-mail from trusted sources. There was a time was almost all of the 'Net could be trusted, which is why the default configuration accepts e-mail from all sources.
If spammers take the trouble of circumventing those filters, they are obviously quite effective.
There are tens of millions of companies just in the United States (and hundreds of millions in the whole world). If you manage to opt-out thousand times a day, you won't even keep up with all the new companies that start that day and all of them will want you to know about their exciting products.