Funny how the first Service Pack for Windows 2000 will (somehow) reduce interest in Linux in the year 2003. I read that Microsoft is targeting November 1999 for releasing Windows 2000. I bet Microsoft is triaging bugs like crazy to release Windows 2000 ASAP. They already know what bugs will be shipped now and fixed later. They probably already have a release date for SP1 less than six months after Windows 2000. A "silent" SP1 was released for IE4 just one month after IE4.0 was released.
Can Windows 2000 use "old" NT4 device drivers? I thought Windows 2000 used the WDM (Windows Driver Model?) that Windows 98 uses, but I can't imagine Windows 98 and 2000 supporting binary compatible device drivers!
These articles all have misleading titles. If you read the actual contents of the articles, they explicitly say:
It estimates Linux servers will account for $3.8 billion, or 24 percent, of the worldwide server appliance revenue by 2003. By volume, that represents 14 percent, or 1.1 million units.... Dataquest noted that Linux will account for much less in the traditional server market. By 2003, it will represent $1.9 billion, or 3.4 percent of traditional server revenue. That represents 450,000 units, or 8.1 percent of shipments.
A server appliance is not a "traditional" server. What operating systems are used in server appliances? Probably *BSD, Linux, NT, and a tiny fraction of proprietary others? So in four years, which operating systems are used in the other 76% of server applicances? Which operating systems are used in the other 92% of "traditional" servers?
There was a Wired.com article earlier yesterday about (more) Buy.com computer problems. If someone made a purchase under $5, Buy.com's computers would continually deduct $40 from the customer's credit card every half-hour!!
I've plenty of articles about Buy.com's terrible customer service and experienced it first hand. I ordered some books from them because they were a few bucks cheaper than Amazon.com. The problem? Maybe books didn't arrive for another month!! Their customer service reps gave me the run-around. I'll never buy from Buy.com again.
I drink my Dew everyday like a good little coder, but I don't like the side effects. I've quit and had the three-day headache from withdrawals many times. Unfortunately, I always end up back on the Dew train. This time I'm trying to slowly reduce my intake, rather than quitting cold turkey. It's a slow painful death..
Are all the man pages and everything in German? I've used German and Japanese NT. I can't read those languages, but I'm impressed that software could be customized so much. I've read the NT is localized to 120+ languages and that about 70% of Microsoft's revenue comes from outside the United States.
People won't miss playing videos on their servers. Also, IE5 does not replace Windows Explorer. Otherwise, Windows 2000 would not ship both EXPLORER.EXE and IEXPLORE.EXE.
My friend has a theory that you should not date people within your same major. It's like dating your sister or something. You'll nver be able to escape CS/biology/physics/whatever! So if this truly good advice, then the fewer women in computer science, the larger the potential dating pool! This assumes you are a CS man or woman who dates women. If you are a CS man or woman who dates men, I think this advice still applies.:-)
Do you think that many people reading/. would really hammer on the Linux server? They would try to crash the NT server. Of course, if they ignore the Linux server, it's throughput measurements would be lower.
By bloated, I didn't mean slow. I just meant that for a "lean and mean" server OS, it sure includes a lot of extra packages, like IE5 or Windows Media Player or Pinball or 3D mouse pointer shadows. I don't think this stuff is going away, but I think Microsoft needs to address this issue if NT is going to be "enterprise ready".
Admittedly, I have not used FreeBSD or Linux SMP, but I have read about both operating systems. Doesn't FreeBSD use a single big lock for the entire kernel ala Linux 2.0? Linux 2.2 has kernel threads and finer lock granularity. Does FreeBSD have kernel threads, too? I heard someone paraphrase this as: "Solaris kernel threading is 2-3 years ahead of Linux and Linux is 2-3 years ahead of FreeBSD".
Does anyone here have first hand experience using SMP on FreeBSD and Linux? Any problems or preferences?
I think you're right. Microsoft can rapidly improve.. when they're scared. With Linux nipping at NT's heels, watch for Microsoft to attach Linux head on, without actually admitting it. Throughout all these Mindcraft and PC Week benchmarks, Microsoft has been particularly quiet. I don't think they even want to admit Linux exists. They'll let their henchmen do that.
Windows 2000 is so bloated and overdue, I doubt Microsoft can change it much to address Linux's "thin server" attack. So watch out for Windows 2001. Displeased with Windows 2000 looong schedule, Microsoft has said they want the next NT dev cycle to be much shorter. (This sounds a lot like Linus' wanting Linux 2.4's dev cycle to be a lot shorter than the 2.5 years spent on Linux 2.2) I bet Windows 2001 will ship 1.5 years after Windows 2000. I'm sure it will be a (somewhat) thinner beast, ready to pounce. The next few years of Linux should be very exciting.
Try babelfish for web page language translation!
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Here is the ZDNet graph. According to this graph, NT4 scaled about 2.22 times and Linux scaled about 1.63 times when comparing 4-proc performance to 1-proc performance. The ideal scaling would be 4 times, or linear scaling.
FreeBSD for web servers, Solaris for mail backend.
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One of my CSE professors at the University of Washington worked with Dave Cutler at DEC. He said Cutler was the "best programmer in the world". He said Cutler would always have two piles of printouts on his desk: a very short stack of his code and a tall stack of all his test code.
Unfortunately, Cutler is now in his own little world, racing cars and working on a Win64 project (codename "Sundown" harhar) that will probably never stabilize..
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Funny how the first Service Pack for Windows 2000 will (somehow) reduce interest in Linux in the year 2003. I read that Microsoft is targeting November 1999 for releasing Windows 2000. I bet Microsoft is triaging bugs like crazy to release Windows 2000 ASAP. They already know what bugs will be shipped now and fixed later. They probably already have a release date for SP1 less than six months after Windows 2000. A "silent" SP1 was released for IE4 just one month after IE4.0 was released.
Can Windows 2000 use "old" NT4 device drivers? I thought Windows 2000 used the WDM (Windows Driver Model?) that Windows 98 uses, but I can't imagine Windows 98 and 2000 supporting binary compatible device drivers!
These articles all have misleading titles. If you read the actual contents of the articles, they explicitly say:
... Dataquest noted that Linux will account for much less in the traditional server market. By 2003, it will represent $1.9 billion, or 3.4 percent of traditional server revenue. That represents 450,000 units, or 8.1 percent of shipments.
It estimates Linux servers will account for $3.8 billion, or 24 percent, of the worldwide server appliance revenue by 2003. By volume, that represents 14 percent, or 1.1 million units.
A server appliance is not a "traditional" server. What operating systems are used in server appliances? Probably *BSD, Linux, NT, and a tiny fraction of proprietary others? So in four years, which operating systems are used in the other 76% of server applicances? Which operating systems are used in the other 92% of "traditional" servers?
There was a Wired.com article earlier yesterday about (more) Buy.com computer problems. If someone made a purchase under $5, Buy.com's computers would continually deduct $40 from the customer's credit card every half-hour!!
I've plenty of articles about Buy.com's terrible customer service and experienced it first hand. I ordered some books from them because they were a few bucks cheaper than Amazon.com. The problem? Maybe books didn't arrive for another month !! Their customer service reps gave me the run-around. I'll never buy from Buy.com again.
Those feds are trying to track down the "Un"! god damn, betta protect yo self..
Office 2000 defines the limits of Win32 compatibility, not necessarily office applications.
I drink my Dew everyday like a good little coder, but I don't like the side effects. I've quit and had the three-day headache from withdrawals many times. Unfortunately, I always end up back on the Dew train. This time I'm trying to slowly reduce my intake, rather than quitting cold turkey. It's a slow painful death..
NT5 Beta 1 was released in September 1997.
Are all the man pages and everything in German? I've used German and Japanese NT. I can't read those languages, but I'm impressed that software could be customized so much. I've read the NT is localized to 120+ languages and that about 70% of Microsoft's revenue comes from outside the United States.
Factoring the product of two prime numbers, however, is not so easy..
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So they could also use the English version of NT and include English SP5.
:-)
What is the Real World equivalent of slashdotting an annoying salesperson?
People won't miss playing videos on their servers. Also, IE5 does not replace Windows Explorer. Otherwise, Windows 2000 would not ship both EXPLORER.EXE and IEXPLORE.EXE.
My friend has a theory that you should not date people within your same major. It's like dating your sister or something. You'll nver be able to escape CS/biology/physics/whatever! So if this truly good advice, then the fewer women in computer science, the larger the potential dating pool! This assumes you are a CS man or woman who dates women. If you are a CS man or woman who dates men, I think this advice still applies. :-)
We need to recruit more jocks into computer science programs. Then more women will apply to computer science programs, too.
Do you think that many people reading /. would really hammer on the Linux server? They would try to crash the NT server. Of course, if they ignore the Linux server, it's throughput measurements would be lower.
By bloated, I didn't mean slow. I just meant that for a "lean and mean" server OS, it sure includes a lot of extra packages, like IE5 or Windows Media Player or Pinball or 3D mouse pointer shadows. I don't think this stuff is going away, but I think Microsoft needs to address this issue if NT is going to be "enterprise ready".
Admittedly, I have not used FreeBSD or Linux SMP, but I have read about both operating systems. Doesn't FreeBSD use a single big lock for the entire kernel ala Linux 2.0? Linux 2.2 has kernel threads and finer lock granularity. Does FreeBSD have kernel threads, too? I heard someone paraphrase this as: "Solaris kernel threading is 2-3 years ahead of Linux and Linux is 2-3 years ahead of FreeBSD".
Does anyone here have first hand experience using SMP on FreeBSD and Linux? Any problems or preferences?
I think you're right. Microsoft can rapidly improve.. when they're scared. With Linux nipping at NT's heels, watch for Microsoft to attach Linux head on, without actually admitting it. Throughout all these Mindcraft and PC Week benchmarks, Microsoft has been particularly quiet. I don't think they even want to admit Linux exists. They'll let their henchmen do that.
Windows 2000 is so bloated and overdue, I doubt Microsoft can change it much to address Linux's "thin server" attack. So watch out for Windows 2001. Displeased with Windows 2000 looong schedule, Microsoft has said they want the next NT dev cycle to be much shorter. (This sounds a lot like Linus' wanting Linux 2.4's dev cycle to be a lot shorter than the 2.5 years spent on Linux 2.2) I bet Windows 2001 will ship 1.5 years after Windows 2000. I'm sure it will be a (somewhat) thinner beast, ready to pounce. The next few years of Linux should be very exciting.
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Here is the ZDNet graph. According to this graph, NT4 scaled about 2.22 times and Linux scaled about 1.63 times when comparing 4-proc performance to 1-proc performance. The ideal scaling would be 4 times, or linear scaling.
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One of my CSE professors at the University of Washington worked with Dave Cutler at DEC. He said Cutler was the "best programmer in the world". He said Cutler would always have two piles of printouts on his desk: a very short stack of his code and a tall stack of all his test code.
Unfortunately, Cutler is now in his own little world, racing cars and working on a Win64 project (codename "Sundown" harhar) that will probably never stabilize..