:) Many thanks man. You say everything what I want to say. When you come back to Turkey and especialli in Izmir, drop me a call. I owe you Raki and fish...
Same sh*t another day. Some uber programmers doens't like PHP because of someting else... Then start to bashing again and again
Php can't do this, can't do that. Php can't scale, Php was ugly, yada yada yada....
First purpose of Php was templating engine for HTML.
Other things comes afer.
Also, Zend try to add OOP. WHY? Why we need OOP aproach, run once scripts...
In php you cannot store objects in the Memory by default... (if you not use Memcaced/Seralize things)
I still don't get it. It was stateless universe. Evrything runs once and goes to ashes.
Whe we need all those OOP overload ?
Maybe to get more respect from other languages ?
Paaah...
Php language for who can barelly handling HTML. It may not look nice. It may have some problems. May diturbing over obsssed engineers. Of course, you may do more nice OOP thing in ruby, python of course you may do some hiber,uber,hypernate in JAVA.
And you cannot give this much ability under this cost (both cpu/ram) and with this usability...
Reinventing wheels, Hell yes, I'm very bored that argument. So not reinventing wheels just use wheel designed for Orchard then some other Mr.Niceguy improve that wheel for steam locomotive. Of course Power of OOP gives us uber ability to use that wheel for Airbus 380 Plane and my bike.
OOP, XML all those stuff has limited by their complexty. Blogs are plomping everwhere after 10+ years programming they begun to arguin OOP, later or sooner Browsers are begin to support JSON by default. XML and OOP are too much over designed. They are tools for engineers.
Sorry guys that web made by some lazy people who barelly understoods that html thing.
For them PHP was best thing around the world.
Take it nor not. Then look how many new projects using php than java...
Choosing, Java and.NET about the availability issue. If you are windows shop you have to go with.net if you are sun shop you have to go with java.
5 years before LAMP was for kids and now barelly accepted for entreprise. And of course every Hosting shop gives you cheap options for LAMP hosting.
So why we use that huge bloatware. IIS, ASP and.NET stands because of Microsoft market share. None of them really competetive on the age of internet. Also java same. Sun has some nice hardware on server side. Thats why big application makers has lots of solutions on java. Because when they start to do someting for web they had Sun servers not intel LAMP's.
Sure RoR and Turbo Gears nice, for real programmers... Who likes the art of programming and I'm sorry accept or not most of web programmers are not intersting about art of programming. They are want to get job done.
Answer is Ajax. Not Flash... because you cant write flash with text editor. You need that Macromedia Flash tool. And have to understand that gui.
Standart web programmer curve was simple.
Html then PHP || MySQL then JavaScript then Ajax
with Lamp plus text editor you can do what ever you want.
I'm sorry man, your politics failed in IRAQ like Vietnam, your goverment create Saddam (to fight Iran regime), your goverment sell that Chemical weapons to Saddam (to use against Iran Regime and please look Mr.Donal Rumsfield biography), your goverment fool the Saddam to invade Kuvait (because of the create enough excuse to attack IRAQ), then your goverment Invade IRAQ, your goverment ignite that CIVIL WAR.
Responsibility of killing IRAQ's civils was yours, because you elect that Bush. And your respect against IRAQ civils seen in pictures which in taken by USA Soldiers in IRAQ prisons.
Then could you tell me how can you do free elections when you land invaded by foregin soldiers.
And your stupit politicans make that Saddam underdog. After his execution, he became hero and 40 years after he became next CHE.
Also you may want to know, I'm Turkish and every Turkish man have to complete his military duty. I done mine and I see enough dead body.
Where is that f*cking evidence... The uber responsible goverment of USA sell that chemical weapons to Saddam to take down Islamic Iran Regime in 1980's. That chemical weapons used against Iran and Kurds sell by Rumsfield himself...
There was no chemical weapon production plant in Iraq, no one found it. If they found it where is the evidence ?
USA goverment broke down the IRAQ goverment, if you haven't got instant replacement, you cannot change goverment like this. Entire country will collapsed...
Current status of IRAQ was CIVIL WAR and this was generated by Responsible George W. Bush regime.
So, what you expecting ? Control freaks are everywhere...
Western Civilization creates that industr revolution then information revolution now ? Control freaking... Bah, this is isint going any where. People becoming lambs.
I do not want to see the goverments enfoces to implant some kind of control chips into humans...
From my point of view M$ was a guy who has 30 inc d*ck and because of this thinks himself best lover of the world.
Because of market share M$ demands everyone to accept their shit withouth question...
For example I'm earning money from Web developing. My base development system was Linux. I can generate tons of good interfaces with using w3c recomendations. And of course IE6 does not render properly. It cost me tons of extra times. Fixing code for IE takes more thime than writing page itself.
this Chirismas my wish from Santa was meeting with IE developer team. In the meeting I will patch their brain with a baseball bat. I believe noting that will fix M$ ignoracne...
Some time ago, a M$ exec say, they can write better code than Open Source. After so many years, and so many programmers and so many billion dollars we did not see any better code than open source.
Oh yes, they had some edge about interface designing and product integrating. And better code ? No sir M$ could not wrote any better code than any one.
And that IE6 a icon of M$ code quality and their respect to quality...
In 1915 in world war I Entire Alliance fleet comes to gallipoli. Try to pass it. They can't. Then they try to pass from land. They can't.
At that time. They had lots of big ships, big guns,planes, submarines, new tech of that timeline.
So actually We had bayonets. Very low on ammo, 3 big guns. Alliance fleet daily ammuniton spend nearly equals a turkish monthly spend.
At that time, armenians backstab us. more than 80.000 man frozen Allhuekber mountains.
They can't pass.
As I say, we may pay big cost. Mean as loosing entire country structure. And we do not give up. Never...
I'm not sure about USA army strength, after loosing some 100.000 men entire US politics was chaos... If we loose 100.000 every one swear to try to kill an US soldier and any politican who talk about retreat or someting may lynched.
If anyone find to way to eleminate US Airforce with some trick (cheap rockets etc), US army become joke. No not size and equipment. They had best one. And American metality not good for fighting. Those guys can't be a good soldier.
Entire history, US army win because more soldier, because of more equipment. Or just because producting more steel. Not because of soldier quality or good tactics.
My US military education was very low and I say, only General Patton was our kind. (if that papers saying truth).
Uh oh also, Only Turkish Army gain wictory against terorists. If there was no US invade in iraq or protection for Kurdish terorists by US Army. We can sweep entire northen iraq inc by inc and finish this forever. Thats why Barzani and Talabani wants to US stay in Iraq. Our army ready and wait in Iraq border.
This game will not continue for ever. Our strategic partners supports terorists and our some of brothers (Kurd's) betraying us. And they are fooled like Armenians. A hundred years ago this game played by Frenchs and Russians. So that Armenians lost their honours and their homes. Now same game plays again. When oil was finished or because of someting else, US retreat from Iraq. Then the day of justice will come. Maybe not now, maybe 10 years maybe 100 years later thats not important.
This is how earth turns. in 1915 my grandfather and his 2 bros fight in gallipoli and only grandfather return. I do my Military service one of that hot terrorist zones. And my descendants will protect our motherland and Earth will turn again.
Great US army may kill me and cannot take my love for my country.
If you can't win heart's you cannot win the war. Mark my words my friend. One day come and japans takes their revenge.This is how earth turns. We are child of 10.000 years of history.
Other than USA, USSR and China, No other county can threatened Turkey. They are not in our leauge. They are not match our ARMY... Also we can win war against these 3 big guys. With a huge cost...
In those days Greek cypriots are killing Turkish Cypriots. If Turkey does not Invade Cyprus, Greek cypriots will kill Turkish Cypriots. Like Serbs kill bosnians in bosnia, or Israil Goverment kill Arabs palestine.
It was a Peace Mission and our Politicans messed it up.
And now you just only knowing Greek part of this story...
In Afganistan, our troops like in home, they gain respect of all local people. Our soldiers can walk with civillians, guns are NOT lock and load. We open radio station we gave healt services etc. We gain their heart.
In Bosnia Same
In Somali Same
In Korea Same
Ah maybe you want to know. Maybe tree years before, some church religion men of Jarusalem are fight and injure each other, because of broking law, the law ordered by Ottoman Empire...
Do your job, if you go there to rescue people, Rescue them, not rape, shoot, imprisone, kill them...
After building Republic of Turkey, our soldiers go out of country only for United Nationss missions and Cyprus "Operation PEACE". Other than that we stay home and defend our lands...
Count US, USSR, British, Franch, Italy and other uber Democratic nation agressions to others...
We are one of the most peacefull Country of the World...
Greeks then Armenians and now That Kurdish family (Barzani)....
Their goverments use to fear from Turks. Withouth fear from Turks, their goverment will not be there. (i'm sorry my english not enough to say what I want to say).
Withouth Turkish fear there will not be there... They should thanks to us.
History repeat it self....
You cannot build nation and or goverment from one ethnich group...
A hundred years ago, some Britons divide entire Middle East and now we got that shit then Some Americanski attack Iraq because of some not founded weapons of mass destruction.
Then this shit heads knows best for us. Why ? because he thinks his ass smarter than us.
Listen up boy, American invasion kills more than Saddam reqime.
We (Turks) rule this area more than 400 years without any problem. Afer British invasion, entire middle east never see peace again.
You Crusaders, after a thoustand years, you stil same shit. It's too hard to understand having power does not mean you can destroy poors live...
Ah yes that Kurdish state, yea you right, we wery pissed off, you never known. Please build that Kurdish state, please demand someting from our motherland, plase piss off us.
Raize our anger....
History repepats itself.... Time to re-learn your history boy...
"The heroic soldiers of a heroic nation, you have saved the Eighth Army and the IX'th Army Crops from encirclement and the 2nd Division from destruction. I came here today to thank you on behalf of the United Nations Army." - General Walton H. Walker, Commander, Eighth Army
"The Turks are the hero of heroes. There is no impossibility for the Turkish Brigade." - General Douglas MacArthur - United Nations Forces Commander in Chief
Using Firefox, Thunderbird and plus some antivirus program (like kaspersky) will save your ass. Of course I do not use my online banking accounts with windows.
And average Windows user does not know other than IE, Outlook, Office etc.
This is main problem, they do not know hot to protect themselves...
If you use Windows for your online transactions, it was your problem.
Whoa ? what ? that windows has 90% of desktop market share ?
So what?
People still smoking cigars, still eating junk food, still believe George W. Bush.
Having 90% market share doesn't make you right just make you rich and some how, when you had 90% of market share, you can easly sell swiss chesee as uber armoured money trasfer car.
Slashdot Mirror
:) Many thanks man. You say everything what I want to say. When you come back to Turkey and especialli in Izmir, drop me a call. I owe you Raki and fish...
Regards
Amiga on chip ?
after so many new boards, cpu's, operating systems...
I'mean spending hell of money they found Amiga in cpu ?
In corporate america inventions OWNS YOU
Same sh*t another day.
Some uber programmers doens't like PHP because of someting else... Then start to bashing again and again
Php can't do this, can't do that. Php can't scale, Php was ugly, yada yada yada....
First purpose of Php was templating engine for HTML.
Other things comes afer.
Also, Zend try to add OOP. WHY? Why we need OOP aproach, run once scripts...
In php you cannot store objects in the Memory by default... (if you not use Memcaced/Seralize things)
I still don't get it. It was stateless universe. Evrything runs once and goes to ashes.
Whe we need all those OOP overload ?
Maybe to get more respect from other languages ?
Paaah...
Php language for who can barelly handling HTML.
It may not look nice. It may have some problems. May diturbing over obsssed engineers.
Of course, you may do more nice OOP thing in ruby, python of course you may do some hiber,uber,hypernate in JAVA.
And you cannot give
this much ability
under this cost (both cpu/ram)
and with this usability...
Reinventing wheels,
.NET about the availability issue. If you are windows shop you have to go with .net if you are sun shop you have to go with java.
Hell yes, I'm very bored that argument. So not reinventing wheels just use wheel designed for Orchard then some other Mr.Niceguy improve that wheel for steam locomotive. Of course Power of OOP gives us uber ability to use that wheel for Airbus 380 Plane and my bike.
OOP, XML all those stuff has limited by their complexty. Blogs are plomping everwhere after 10+ years programming they begun to arguin OOP, later or sooner Browsers are begin to support JSON by default. XML and OOP are too much over designed. They are tools for engineers.
Sorry guys that web made by some lazy people who barelly understoods that html thing.
For them PHP was best thing around the world.
Take it nor not. Then look how many new projects using php than java...
Choosing, Java and
5 years before LAMP was for kids and now barelly accepted for entreprise. And of course every Hosting shop gives you cheap options for LAMP hosting.
I still don't get...
.NET stands because of Microsoft market share. None of them really competetive on the age of internet. Also java same. Sun has some nice hardware on server side. Thats why big application makers has lots of solutions on java. Because when they start to do someting for web they had Sun servers not intel LAMP's.
HTTP is stateless universe.
So why we use that huge bloatware. IIS, ASP and
Sure RoR and Turbo Gears nice, for real programmers... Who likes the art of programming
and I'm sorry accept or not most of web programmers are not intersting about art of programming. They are want to get job done.
Answer is Ajax. Not Flash... because you cant write flash with text editor. You need that Macromedia Flash tool. And have to understand that gui.
Standart web programmer curve was simple.
Html then PHP || MySQL then JavaScript then Ajax
with Lamp plus text editor you can do what ever you want.
Plus there are huge code examples around the web.
Same story another millenia...
So what if that european genes trasferred from east ?
Who is the Etrusk ?
Western history and education to much biased for western culture...
Or Linux
Case Closed
Nixon doesn't do water gate scandal, Clington doesn't give blow job to Jessica, hell what did u want ? Maybe you want them confess in FOX news ?
I believe your english better than me, please read carefully lines...
Like US do in IRAQ ?
anyhow here your uber secret document about Mr.Rumsfield.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Rumsfield
And guess what? He also sold two light Nuclear Rectors to North Korea...
No, not just Turks, everyone other than Kurds in Middle East.
I'm sorry man, your politics failed in IRAQ like Vietnam, your goverment create Saddam (to fight Iran regime), your goverment sell that Chemical weapons to Saddam (to use against Iran Regime and please look Mr.Donal Rumsfield biography), your goverment fool the Saddam to invade Kuvait (because of the create enough excuse to attack IRAQ), then your goverment Invade IRAQ, your goverment ignite that CIVIL WAR.
Responsibility of killing IRAQ's civils was yours, because you elect that Bush. And your respect against IRAQ civils seen in pictures which in taken by USA Soldiers in IRAQ prisons.
Then could you tell me how can you do free elections when you land invaded by foregin soldiers.
And your stupit politicans make that Saddam underdog. After his execution, he became hero and 40 years after he became next CHE.
Also you may want to know, I'm Turkish and every Turkish man have to complete his military duty. I done mine and I see enough dead body.
Where is that f*cking evidence...
The uber responsible goverment of USA sell that chemical weapons to Saddam to take down Islamic Iran Regime in 1980's. That chemical weapons used against Iran and Kurds sell by Rumsfield himself...
There was no chemical weapon production plant in Iraq, no one found it. If they found it where is the evidence ?
USA goverment broke down the IRAQ goverment, if you haven't got instant replacement, you cannot change goverment like this. Entire country will collapsed...
Current status of IRAQ was CIVIL WAR and this was generated by Responsible George W. Bush regime.
Pleas, do not F.U.D us. No one takes...
So, what you expecting ? Control freaks are everywhere...
Western Civilization creates that industr revolution then information revolution now ?
Control freaking...
Bah, this is isint going any where. People becoming lambs.
I do not want to see the goverments enfoces to implant some kind of control chips into humans...
From my point of view M$ was a guy who has 30 inc d*ck and because of this thinks himself best lover of the world.
Because of market share M$ demands everyone to accept their shit withouth question...
For example I'm earning money from Web developing. My base development system was Linux. I can generate tons of good interfaces with using w3c recomendations. And of course IE6 does not render properly. It cost me tons of extra times. Fixing code for IE takes more thime than writing page itself.
this Chirismas my wish from Santa was meeting with IE developer team. In the meeting I will patch their brain with a baseball bat. I believe noting that will fix M$ ignoracne...
Very well designed and written code ?
Or swiss cheese...
Please, Do not make M$ PR here.
After 16 years of system support. I do not see any well designed ms code anywhere...
Look Apple, they are doing very good and backward compatibility and so much other things.
M$ just all about the market share...
Some time ago, a M$ exec say, they can write better code than Open Source. After so many years, and so many programmers and so many billion dollars we did not see any better code than open source.
Oh yes, they had some edge about interface designing and product integrating. And better code ? No sir M$ could not wrote any better code than any one.
And that IE6 a icon of M$ code quality and their respect to quality...
So you mean, M$ do this IE6 sh*t because of someting else ?
In 1915 in world war I Entire Alliance fleet comes to gallipoli. Try to pass it. They can't. Then they try to pass from land. They can't.
At that time. They had lots of big ships, big guns,planes, submarines, new tech of that timeline.
So actually We had bayonets. Very low on ammo, 3 big guns. Alliance fleet daily ammuniton spend nearly equals a turkish monthly spend.
At that time, armenians backstab us. more than 80.000 man frozen Allhuekber mountains.
They can't pass.
As I say, we may pay big cost. Mean as loosing entire country structure. And we do not give up. Never...
I'm not sure about USA army strength, after loosing some 100.000 men entire US politics was chaos... If we loose 100.000 every one swear to try to kill an US soldier and any politican who talk about retreat or someting may lynched.
If anyone find to way to eleminate US Airforce with some trick (cheap rockets etc), US army become joke. No not size and equipment. They had best one. And American metality not good for fighting. Those guys can't be a good soldier.
Entire history, US army win because more soldier, because of more equipment. Or just because producting more steel. Not because of soldier quality or good tactics.
My US military education was very low and I say, only General Patton was our kind. (if that papers saying truth).
Uh oh also,
Only Turkish Army gain wictory against terorists. If there was no US invade in iraq or protection for Kurdish terorists by US Army. We can sweep entire northen iraq inc by inc and finish this forever. Thats why Barzani and Talabani wants to US stay in Iraq. Our army ready and wait in Iraq border.
This game will not continue for ever. Our strategic partners supports terorists and our some of brothers (Kurd's) betraying us. And they are fooled like Armenians. A hundred years ago this game played by Frenchs and Russians. So that Armenians lost their honours and their homes. Now same game plays again. When oil was finished or because of someting else, US retreat from Iraq. Then the day of justice will come. Maybe not now, maybe 10 years maybe 100 years later thats not important.
This is how earth turns. in 1915 my grandfather and his 2 bros fight in gallipoli and only grandfather return. I do my Military service one of that hot terrorist zones. And my descendants will protect our motherland and Earth will turn again.
Great US army may kill me and cannot take my love for my country.
If you can't win heart's you cannot win the war. Mark my words my friend. One day come and japans takes their revenge.This is how earth turns. We are child of 10.000 years of history.
We see lots of things and we will see more
Regars
Other than USA, USSR and China, No other county can threatened Turkey. They are not in our leauge. They are not match our ARMY... Also we can win war against these 3 big guys. With a huge cost...
In those days Greek cypriots are killing Turkish Cypriots. If Turkey does not Invade Cyprus, Greek cypriots will kill Turkish Cypriots. Like Serbs kill bosnians in bosnia, or Israil Goverment kill Arabs palestine.
It was a Peace Mission and our Politicans messed it up.
And now you just only knowing Greek part of this story...
In Afganistan, our troops like in home, they gain respect of all local people. Our soldiers can walk with civillians, guns are NOT lock and load. We open radio station we gave healt services etc. We gain their heart.
In Bosnia Same
In Somali Same
In Korea Same
Ah maybe you want to know. Maybe tree years before, some church religion men of Jarusalem are fight and injure each other, because of broking law, the law ordered by Ottoman Empire...
Do your job, if you go there to rescue people, Rescue them, not rape, shoot, imprisone, kill them...
After building Republic of Turkey, our soldiers go out of country only for United Nationss missions and Cyprus "Operation PEACE". Other than that we stay home and defend our lands...
Count US, USSR, British, Franch, Italy and other uber Democratic nation agressions to others...
We are one of the most peacefull Country of the World...
Ask what?
Greeks then Armenians and now That Kurdish family (Barzani)....
Their goverments use to fear from Turks. Withouth fear from Turks, their goverment will not be there. (i'm sorry my english not enough to say what I want to say).
Withouth Turkish fear there will not be there... They should thanks to us.
History repeat it self....
You cannot build nation and or goverment from one ethnich group...
Well well well,
A hundred years ago, some Britons divide entire Middle East and now we got that shit then Some Americanski attack Iraq because of some not founded weapons of mass destruction.
Then this shit heads knows best for us. Why ? because he thinks his ass smarter than us.
Listen up boy, American invasion kills more than Saddam reqime.
We (Turks) rule this area more than 400 years without any problem. Afer British invasion, entire middle east never see peace again.
You Crusaders, after a thoustand years, you stil same shit. It's too hard to understand having power does not mean you can destroy poors live...
Ah yes that Kurdish state, yea you right, we wery pissed off, you never known. Please build that Kurdish state, please demand someting from our motherland, plase piss off us.
Raize our anger....
History repepats itself.... Time to re-learn your history boy...
"The heroic soldiers of a heroic nation, you have saved the Eighth Army and the IX'th Army Crops from encirclement and the 2nd Division from destruction. I came here today to thank you on behalf of the United Nations Army." - General Walton H. Walker, Commander, Eighth Army
"The Turks are the hero of heroes. There is no impossibility for the Turkish Brigade." - General Douglas MacArthur - United Nations Forces Commander in Chief
Please give us a chance. We beg you....
Using Firefox, Thunderbird and plus some antivirus program (like kaspersky) will save your ass. Of course I do not use my online banking accounts with windows.
And average Windows user does not know other than IE, Outlook, Office etc.
This is main problem, they do not know hot to protect themselves...
Yes I'm sure US Army has tons of equipment and if you havent got good soldiers you havent got army.
Last time I checked Iraq and Afganistan, your army absolutely loose, because of lack of good soldiers.
In Holivood movies, you may rescue entire world, and in real your army are absolutely in deep s***t.
If you use Windows for your online transactions, it was your problem.
Whoa ? what ? that windows has 90% of desktop market share ?
So what?
People still smoking cigars, still eating junk food, still believe George W. Bush.
Having 90% market share doesn't make you right just make you rich and some how, when you had 90% of market share, you can easly sell swiss chesee as uber armoured money trasfer car.
There is no way to patch human stupity...