How do these third parties check that the source code they audit is the code used to generate the binaries on the voting machines? When reviewing the software at binary level, how do they know the software doesn't simply work one way during all other days than election day, and otherwise on election day? Why are these independent, third-party reviews secret?
Transparency is extremely important. In a voting system, it's imperative. I can't understand why this is even a question.
But after counting more than 90% of the votes, there is no reason why the last 10% should be substantially different than the first 90%. They provisional votes are a different statistical group, but they aren't going to be 90% Kerry, which is about what he needs. Therefore, this is a matter of simple statistics. Kerry is not going to win.
A long period of uncertainty is not good for any nation, and most certainly not the US. I'm all pro-Kerry, but there is no need to wait two weeks just to get confirmed what anyone with a statistics degree can tell you in a second.
They keep counting, obviously. Yes, he can still win. But he won't. The probability of those last votes being any different from the first votes is very close to 0.
When noone agrees any longer: claim it's cheaper because changing is expensive
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I, for one, would not be happy to pay taxes to support people of different colour.
Call me racist or whatever, but I think this sort of instinct is quite natural; no-one wants to feed the cuckoo's young.
You, my friend, has got some serious issues. Your way of thought fits nicely with that of 1930s Nazism. Even todays neo-nazists aren't that extreme - "the cuckoo's young". Go dig yourself a huge hole.
To generalize over this, I've met a few bigot finns in my life. Finland does also have Northern Europe's toughest borders for third-world refugees. The link is fairly obvious.
You can try approaching the police with a spraycan of anything. In riot situations, they are allowed to shoot you as a preventive action. They are allowed to assume you are going to spray something dangerous on them.
Ah. That's the reason for QB and VBs incredibly strange "ByVal". I've always wondered why you ever would want to pass the variable itself into a function. In QB and VB, it does so by default. It is horribly error-prone.
How well would your system would work if you had to do twenty pieces of paper per envelope, or twenty envelopes per voter?
Well, that isn't much of a concern to me, because the idea of making the public consider 20 different matters as the same time is considered ridiculous over here.
Anyway, it would be done by having twenty pieces of paper in one envelope. Actually, we do have elections for the local and regional level at the same time, with two pieces of paper in one envelope. I can't see what the big principal problem with twenty pieces in an envelope is, it would only take some time to pick all those pieces of paper.
Yah, and you vote essentially straight Party line there.
Straight Party Line? Well, we have at least 15 different parties to choose from, and we have seven parties in the parliament. How many do you have?
...we do our voting by putting one piece of paper (a list, actually, as we do not vote for individuals) (we have a king, yes) in an envelope the people at the polling station give you. Then you put the envelope in a box. Then you leave.
By the way, the people at the polling stations are chosen from the different political parties.
Then the boxes are sealed and sent to a counting station (sometimes the same place as the polling station, sometimes somewhere else). There, the votes are put in stacks and counted.
And you know what? It seems to *gasp* work! Revolutionary system, huh?
>> look at what is happening in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, France, etc
> Stagnant economies with high unemployment? Thanks, I'll pass.
You are not very well informed. I'm from Norway, the country with the lowest unemployment rate in Europe, larger growth than the USA (last year or over the last 10 years) and (according to the UN (UNHDR 2004)) the highest standard of living in the world.
Sweden came second in UNHDI, Belgium sixth, US of A: eight.
The United States has the highest human poverty among the 17 high income OECD countries included in this year's human poverty index-2 (HPI). Source: HDR 2004.
I'd pick any of the countries instead of the US, thank you very much.
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Actually, the normal definition of radical is being in favour of fundamental change. He uses the term correctly.
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I have thought KaZaA to be amoral
Gee, I thought all computer programs had a conscience and programmed ethical standards.
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This was the only food she could afford. In front of the cash register she was looking at some CD on display, probably dreaming of having enough money to buy one.
Just buy the little girl a CD. Poverty disgusts us all, but it's a far shot to blame the record companies for poverty.
I think the large record companies do a lot bad for music because they're obsessed with earning money. And I think they're being old-fashioned and stupid when they make their CDs so expensive.
And we don't think we're any better than you. Relax. We're not out to get you, and the record companies aren't either.
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This is the longest piece of bull**** I've bothered to read in a long time - and I'm not even against p2p. Let's pick it apart.
[filesharing] is no more unethical than the phenomenon of male Lions killing cubs when they take over a pride. It might be nasty when each individual does it, but the practice has helped Lions survive as a species.
Survive? Humanity won't be wiped out because it's lacking commercial music. Even most neo-liberalist market junkies seem to draw a line between products needed to survive (food, water, medicine) and those we don't need.
The simple fact is that the market is hardwired into humans. Trade is in our nature. We may argue with actions people take, but there's very little that can be done to stop anything completely. We can no more stop file sharing than we can the drug trade or prostitution. There's demand, there's supply, the market takes care of the rest whether we like it or not.
Hardwired? Through where? The trading gene? Can you point to a single brain researcher or psychologist who support that view?
The problem with those trying to stop it is that they're fighting human nature. Human nature won't change.
Yeah! Demolish the law! Let people steal! It's the human nature! Let'em kill! Let'em steal! The law is blocking us from living like we really want to - like gorillas! Only with free music!
The price of the media in question is higher than the market is willing to bear. I'm not saying it is or is not a fair price, only that it's higher than people are willing to pay. As a result, there were a lot of people that wanted the media but didn't want to pay for it. To the tune of several times the total volume of legitimate sales.
Your market theory can be used in a different way, you know. Let's start with the fact that people want the music. Now, it's available in a nice cover with inlay for $30, or without for free. Which one does the market choose?
Napster was growing 15% a day for several months. And I've got news for you, Napster sucked. That just doesn't happen unless there's a huge unmet demand.
Try starting a shop where you give away for free what others sell for money. There's your unmet demand.
It's the **AA's fault for ignoring the market. While I might consider the actions of the file traders themselves to be unethical, I recognize that they're following human nature.
If the market really says that the only possible price for music is zero, what should the RIAA do? Give away the music for free, with little ads in it?
I do believe p2p filesharing has it's place, but definitely not because it's human nature. It's understandable that people want music for free instead of paying (doh), but it is not a sustainable way of distributing music. And I do strongly reserve the right to choose whether they want to distribute their music for free to the musicians (copyright holders) themselves.
Actually, I doubt they care, and I seriously doubt they will care even if you smack them around a lot. People buying a skateboard game do not react to advertisements around them in the street milieu of the game. Now, I wonder why... Could it have anything to do with that being realistic?
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How do these third parties check that the source code they audit is the code used to generate the binaries on the voting machines? When reviewing the software at binary level, how do they know the software doesn't simply work one way during all other days than election day, and otherwise on election day? Why are these independent, third-party reviews secret?
Transparency is extremely important. In a voting system, it's imperative. I can't understand why this is even a question.
Yes, obviously, all districts aren't equal. But the distribution is not that uneven anywhere; more than 10-20% off the state total is extremely rare.
The problem however, is that this works best on uneducated people.
This chart pretty much proves that point :-)
But after counting more than 90% of the votes, there is no reason why the last 10% should be substantially different than the first 90%. They provisional votes are a different statistical group, but they aren't going to be 90% Kerry, which is about what he needs. Therefore, this is a matter of simple statistics. Kerry is not going to win.
A long period of uncertainty is not good for any nation, and most certainly not the US. I'm all pro-Kerry, but there is no need to wait two weeks just to get confirmed what anyone with a statistics degree can tell you in a second.
They keep counting, obviously. Yes, he can still win. But he won't. The probability of those last votes being any different from the first votes is very close to 0.
That swing state (Ohio) is, on the other hand, not a close race. That's why.
The hard part is the color management. Linux/X is far behind on color management compared to MacOS and Windows.
If CNN is liberal, all the media in Norway, Sweden, Denmark and the UK are communist.
Yeah, the authentication scheme for a web service is always integrated into the OS.
Appearance can be trademarked.
You can trademark appearance. The magic cube kinda looks like the Rubik's, don't you think?
I really hope the voting machines aren't written in PHP.
Hmmm. Can't everyone here order a free Windows vs. Linux evaluation kit? That would cost them a lot. You can find it at microsoft.com/getthefacts/.
I, for one, would not be happy to pay taxes to support people of different colour.
Call me racist or whatever, but I think this sort of instinct is quite natural; no-one wants to feed the cuckoo's young.
You, my friend, has got some serious issues. Your way of thought fits nicely with that of 1930s Nazism. Even todays neo-nazists aren't that extreme - "the cuckoo's young". Go dig yourself a huge hole.
To generalize over this, I've met a few bigot finns in my life. Finland does also have Northern Europe's toughest borders for third-world refugees. The link is fairly obvious.
You can try approaching the police with a spraycan of anything. In riot situations, they are allowed to shoot you as a preventive action. They are allowed to assume you are going to spray something dangerous on them.
Ah. That's the reason for QB and VBs incredibly strange "ByVal". I've always wondered why you ever would want to pass the variable itself into a function. In QB and VB, it does so by default. It is horribly error-prone.
How well would your system would work if you had to do twenty pieces of paper per envelope, or twenty envelopes per voter?
Well, that isn't much of a concern to me, because the idea of making the public consider 20 different matters as the same time is considered ridiculous over here.
Anyway, it would be done by having twenty pieces of paper in one envelope. Actually, we do have elections for the local and regional level at the same time, with two pieces of paper in one envelope. I can't see what the big principal problem with twenty pieces in an envelope is, it would only take some time to pick all those pieces of paper.
Yah, and you vote essentially straight Party line there.
Straight Party Line? Well, we have at least 15 different parties to choose from, and we have seven parties in the parliament. How many do you have?
...we do our voting by putting one piece of paper (a list, actually, as we do not vote for individuals) (we have a king, yes) in an envelope the people at the polling station give you. Then you put the envelope in a box. Then you leave.
By the way, the people at the polling stations are chosen from the different political parties.
Then the boxes are sealed and sent to a counting station (sometimes the same place as the polling station, sometimes somewhere else). There, the votes are put in stacks and counted.
And you know what? It seems to *gasp* work! Revolutionary system, huh?
>> look at what is happening in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, France, etc
> Stagnant economies with high unemployment? Thanks, I'll pass.
You are not very well informed. I'm from Norway, the country with the lowest unemployment rate in Europe, larger growth than the USA (last year or over the last 10 years) and (according to the UN (UNHDR 2004)) the highest standard of living in the world.
Sweden came second in UNHDI, Belgium sixth, US of A: eight.
The United States has the highest human poverty among the 17 high income OECD countries included in this year's human poverty index-2 (HPI). Source: HDR 2004.
I'd pick any of the countries instead of the US, thank you very much.
Oh, link to the facts? undp.org.
Actually, the normal definition of radical is being in favour of fundamental change. He uses the term correctly.
I have thought KaZaA to be amoral
Gee, I thought all computer programs had a conscience and programmed ethical standards.
This was the only food she could afford. In front of the cash register she was looking at some CD on display, probably dreaming of having enough money to buy one.
Just buy the little girl a CD. Poverty disgusts us all, but it's a far shot to blame the record companies for poverty.
I think the large record companies do a lot bad for music because they're obsessed with earning money. And I think they're being old-fashioned and stupid when they make their CDs so expensive.
And we don't think we're any better than you. Relax. We're not out to get you, and the record companies aren't either.
This is the longest piece of bull**** I've bothered to read in a long time - and I'm not even against p2p. Let's pick it apart.
[filesharing] is no more unethical than the phenomenon of male Lions killing cubs when they take over a pride. It might be nasty when each individual does it, but the practice has helped Lions survive as a species.
Survive? Humanity won't be wiped out because it's lacking commercial music. Even most neo-liberalist market junkies seem to draw a line between products needed to survive (food, water, medicine) and those we don't need.
The simple fact is that the market is hardwired into humans. Trade is in our nature. We may argue with actions people take, but there's very little that can be done to stop anything completely. We can no more stop file sharing than we can the drug trade or prostitution. There's demand, there's supply, the market takes care of the rest whether we like it or not.
Hardwired? Through where? The trading gene? Can you point to a single brain researcher or psychologist who support that view?
The problem with those trying to stop it is that they're fighting human nature. Human nature won't change.
Yeah! Demolish the law! Let people steal! It's the human nature! Let'em kill! Let'em steal! The law is blocking us from living like we really want to - like gorillas! Only with free music!
The price of the media in question is higher than the market is willing to bear. I'm not saying it is or is not a fair price, only that it's higher than people are willing to pay. As a result, there were a lot of people that wanted the media but didn't want to pay for it. To the tune of several times the total volume of legitimate sales.
Your market theory can be used in a different way, you know. Let's start with the fact that people want the music. Now, it's available in a nice cover with inlay for $30, or without for free. Which one does the market choose?
Napster was growing 15% a day for several months. And I've got news for you, Napster sucked. That just doesn't happen unless there's a huge unmet demand.
Try starting a shop where you give away for free what others sell for money. There's your unmet demand.
It's the **AA's fault for ignoring the market. While I might consider the actions of the file traders themselves to be unethical, I recognize that they're following human nature.
If the market really says that the only possible price for music is zero, what should the RIAA do? Give away the music for free, with little ads in it?
I do believe p2p filesharing has it's place, but definitely not because it's human nature. It's understandable that people want music for free instead of paying (doh), but it is not a sustainable way of distributing music. And I do strongly reserve the right to choose whether they want to distribute their music for free to the musicians (copyright holders) themselves.
Actually, I doubt they care, and I seriously doubt they will care even if you smack them around a lot. People buying a skateboard game do not react to advertisements around them in the street milieu of the game. Now, I wonder why... Could it have anything to do with that being realistic?