I had a different interpretation of this whole thing. I don't have a problem with paying for my entertainment, however I do have a problem with paying several times for what is effectively the same thing. I also have a problem with paying to see advertisements in order to see the entertainment.In my travels I have accumulated(purchased) several DVDs that I can no longer view. The reason being that I don't have a player that matches the region.
I have taken to starting the player and the disk, going to the kitchen for beer, pizza, whatever, calling the kids, letting the dog out, blablabla to burn the time while my current player is locked up and playing ads. When I hear the movie start I come back and sit down...
That's why I support OpenDVD and the like, I simply want a player that is free of external controls.
>I'd like to see if you are insensitive enough to > tell that in the eye to the mother of a malnourished > child, who lives every day just to find enough > for her child to eat that day
Yep, I'd ask her why she was so insensitive to the starvation of the children all around her that she just HAD to open her legs and make a starving child of her own.
Meanwhile, I pay my electric(cpu) bills and I feed, house, dress, and educate my own kids. I also don't make more kids than I can afford. If only every parent did this, we wouldn't have this problem would we?
>The fact that this hoax was taken seriously only > adds to the mass of evidence showing how SETI > is profoundly symptomatic of what is wrong with > Western values and culture.
Soorrry Martinez, western values and culture enabled you to be here. If you don't appreciate them, you are free to go away(that's another feature of my western values and culture, I value your freedom).
>somebody proposed a brilliant idea: instead of >something useless like SETI or cracking RC5,
See, thanks to WVAC, you are free to think that SETI and RC5 are useless. Just as I am free to think otherwise.
> one could dedicate those cycles to analysing > satellite data that could help farmers plan > crops. Truly wonderful.
Sounds like a good idea, what are you doing to help implement it?
> Sad thing, though, is that in a tech world like > the one we have, "sexy" useless projects like > SETI demand all the attention, while worthwhile > causes like the latter languish. Truly sickening.
Actually, SETI does not demand attention, it is given attention by users. Here in this tech world, which BTW also provides that satellite data to farmers, we build tools. How the tools are used is up to the users.
Just as you are free to whine about the waste and uselessness of SETI, I am free to rebuke you. You are free to spend your cycles elsewhere. You are not free to decide how mine are to be spent. You are free to critique WCAV, and I am free to laugh in your face as you take advantage of those very same WCAV.
...and perhaps a life. ...and take a class in critical thinking...
>They amuse nobody but the hoaxer.
Dead wrong. I'm not the hoaxer and I am greatly amused. It's hard to type while holding your belly with both hands.
>They waste our time.
Waste your time perhaps, but this sort of entertainment is much more enjoyable than spending hours if front of a tv. Go download a good Steven King book!
>cause us to make plans based on false information
No, they cause you to make plans with out verifying data. That's your mistake, not mine, not theirs.
>those harmed by the hoax should have the >power to sue the hoaxer for damages
Hahaha, this is a good one. I can see it now. You stand up in front of the court and say "I solemnly swear that yes I am stupid enough to be taken in by this scam, this scam that has done nothing but deflect me from my other stupid ideas and has prevented me from doing other stupid things." It's going to be interesting proving damage.
>Trust and credibility are very rare and valuable > things these days, and those who abuse them > should not be treated lightly.
Truth! Here we have some insight, but still lack depth. Trust and credibility really are rare and valuable. THAT IS WHY THEY MUST BE EARNED. You do not have my trust, nor do I give you any credibility. YOU HAVE TO EARN IT. I will doubt you from day one until you show me that I should change my mind.
You are the one that abuses trust and credibility by giving these valuable and powerful items away without regard for the consequences of your actions.
As in: try a LIVE show. There's plenty of entertainment available that doesn't have a "brand" or acronym associated with it. Even small towns have bars with bands.
Turn off your TV and your PC! Get out of the house!
>Wouldn't the warm air contacting the cooled pc > case wall give up any and all moisture content > as condensation?
It would give up some if they were cooled below the dewpoint, until it reached equilibrium. That's another good reason to seal it in a box.
On my box at home, I set the voltage driving the peltiers on my CPUs so that they cool the cpu to just barely below ambient when idle. That way I don't have to worry about condensation. Under full load they still knock 10C off the temp. Output from lm-sensors while running 2 copies of seti@home: temp1: +43 C - just Golden Orb heatsink temp2: +32.5 C - GO + peltier at ~9V
And if they were, the price listed would not equal the sum of the parts? BZZZT - poor thinking.
> This'll be another example of a business taking > advantage of gullible consumers...
Which is exactly what gullible folks are for. They are there for the rest of us to use to our own advantage. I mean really, why else do they exist? Why does anyone have the ability or motivation to observe, learn, make rational decisions, and thus become less gullible if not in order to improve their own position relative to those that remain more gullible?
> and you obviously won't be on the side of the > business (you clearly have no understanding of > that).
BZZZT - poor thinking again. On the contrary, I am a stock holder and I will most certainly enjoy the profits reaped from the fertile fields of the gullible and spineless fashion followers. I sincerely hope that you buy at least one of each color face plate, even if you choose not to buy the new M100. Do it just so that you can one up your office roomie and tell him that you have the complete collection! It doesn't matter if you don't like the color. The selection is there. You don't have to pick just one. If such decisions are too much for you, just get it over with and buy them all. You'll feel better afterwards.
>Grow a brain.
Don't grow a brain. Don't open your eyes. Don't develop a spine. You are a fine profit source just as you are.
Hey!, I've got some M$ stock. Would you like to buy another copy of w2k? Perhaps a 3com NIC? How about another processor? You know both AMD and intel have new models over 1GHz. How about a new ***DESIGNER*** PowerPC..."Ooooh a cube. Isn't it cute!"...would suit you just fine. You know those Ford Explorers have several colors besides the ever popular Forest Green. How about one of each? Look at this fine boat. Just run your eyes along it's sleek lines and smooth fiberglass. Isn't that metallic gelcoat pretty...just sign here, thank you. Come back any time.
Fujitsu. I have several both IDE and SCSI. All are quiet enough that you have to pay attention and concentrate in order to hear them whether they are seeking or not.
Mount several of the peltiers on the side of the case with massive heatsinks. That is, the order moving from inside the case to the outside would be metal-case-wall:peltier:heatsink so that you actually cool the steel wall of the case itself. I'd suggest the motherboard side so that the air on the inside of the case wall would cool, fall to the bottom and then rise up the hot side where all the components are. Then it would reach the top, contact the cooler case wall and continue to circulate. If you put the PC in a styrofoam box with the peltiers' heatsinks on the outside, you could possibly cool the whole thing and then disconnect all of your fans. Just don't touch the peltiers' heatsinks 'cause they will be HOT!
Eureeka! Go to the local sporting goods store and get one of those ice chests with the peltier built in, put your PC inside and cut a hole for your cables!
Somehow I doubt that the cooler will be able to handle the heat load generated by the PC.:-( Hey, if it doesn't work, you still have an electrically cooled ice chest.
They don't cost that much. Check out the local swapfests and such. I'm sure you could get a symbios/ncr/lsi adapter for $50 or so. A small cable is not too much and a used drive can be found anywhere for $100 or less.
Even if you get one without a bootable BIOS, and/or your motherboard doesn't include it, all you have to do is set up a boot partition to hold the kernel on an IDE.
A couple of other nice things about SCSI is their *external* portability and the addressing. With a little forethought, you can set up a universal address allocation scheme. There is no fiddling with master/slave jumpers or limitations to 2 or 4 devices per box. HDs are ID 1-4, tapes are 6, CDROMs are 5, zips(this really helps) are 0 and so forth. It's a piece of cake to take my zip and disconnect from the laptop, plug in to the desktop, and boot. I just set up all the scsi systems(that I admin) with ID 0 free. No problem to "rescue" a scsi system, just plug in whatever you want to boot with drive ID 0 and go. You can have a full fledged system without the limitations of "what can I pack into a floppy" and no messing with BIOS boot-order settings either. You can plug in any kind of drive from zip to a multi-gig hard drive at ID 0 and the system will try to boot it when it comes up. I have two of these, one is the zip drive, and another is a 2G hard drive with external power supply. The HD has a 500MB partition with windos, another with a basic linux system, lilo setup to boot windos and a selection of kernels with different drivers, 100MB swap, and space for more. It's the ultimate "rescue" package that's usable in *any* x86 system with SCSI.
There are three 1-2G SCSI drives for OS, swap, progs, home, and so forth in my "at home" server. There are also two IDEs that are 17G and 25G that are used for bulk storage of mp3s, netscape tarballs from v4.05 onward;-P etc. They are great for backups as well. Just set up a cron job to copy everything from your working system, tgz it, label it, and save it for later. Do it every night/week/whatever.
BTW, the two IDEs cost the same and together cost as much as one of the SCSI drives. Of course there is a time lag between the purchases, but still this data/dollar ratio is ridiculously small and still shrinking.
>If the reporter wants to continue to be a > reporter, he is not an idiot for protecting his > sources. This is every bit as much about > protecting his own career as it is about > protecting the crackers.
Perhaps I'm just not cut out to be a reporter. The very idea of protecting a criminal from going to jail, risking going to jail myself, in order for me to make money, in order to advance my own career, seems ludicrous, almost criminal in itself.
If the suckers had revealed themselves to me, I'd be more likely to turn them over to the appropriate agency, screw the story, these guys should be in jail! Of course, knowing this, they would not reveal themselves to me, and I would have a very limited career as a reporter.;-) I guess it takes all types.
>I know for a fact that many many times in the > twentieth century, there have been inventors who > came up with carburetor designs that enabled ANY >vehicle to get 300 miles to the gallon or even > more.
Sure you do. It's too bad that you can't document it or even do the math that would show that a gasoline powered car that weighs 4000 pounds and is driven in normal day-to-day fashion can get 300MPG.
> My dad knew one such person personally.
Actually he didn't. Either he is a fraud, the claimed inventor is a fraud, or you are a fraud.
> He invented a 300MPG carb, tried to market it, > and instantly got bought out by Ford,
Well, that sounds like he was successful in marketing it.
> I think it was. They bought his design for >$50,000 (this was in the 50's, when 50 grand was > actually worth something:) and then smothered > it. Nobody heard of it again.
Perhaps because it didn't work? Why would Ford smother it? It would allow them to kick all the other car makers butts! Just because Ford bought it, doesn't mean it has to disappear. Did Ford patent it? If so, the patent has expired and the design is free and exposed to the public. If not, then the inventor is free to do so himself. If Ford tries to sue him for breach of contract, the design will be exposed and available to the public either way. Why not? The conspiracy is defeated either way.
Like I said, do the math. Find out how much energy(zero point or other) is required to push, pull, or whatever 4000 pounds around in day-to-day driving and then do the chemistry and find out how much energy is available in a gallon of gas and then do the engineering to figure out how much is lost through hot exhaust, internal friction, transmission drag, air drag, etc. and see what is left. Rememeber, that in order to make a 300MPG carb, you can't fiddle with anything else, all you can do is pull the carb and replace it. All it can do is mix the fuel and air, better, and somehow gain a > 10 fold increase in power output per gallon of gas. It also has to be able to do this with out blowing up the engine that was not expecting to get so much power out of each cylinder full of gasoline and air.
>It is possible to take damn near any > existing electrical motor, add a few parts, and > turn it into a generator that runs itself > without any fuel. You just give it a spin > and it runs forever.
Bullshit. You know why I say this? Because no one has done it. Do it yourself! You have the plans right there on that web page.
> But guess what happens when someone tries to > patent such a device?
Why bother? Just do it. Show it to your friends. Build one and replace your ceiling fan. Build another and attach it to your bicycle. Who cares about some conspiracy anyway? All you really want to do is reduce your electric and fuel bills so that you won't be under the heel of Big Business anymore.
Eventually, you will talk; you will demonstrate; people will notice; and the conspiracy will be defeated.
Of course, in reality, if this stuff really worked, the power companies would already be using it to generate electricity without having to pay for fuel oil or gas and thus their profits would be enormous.
>What would happen if everyone alive knew they > could get a generator the size of a small desk, > put it in their garage, and cut the power lines > to their house, and never have to buy fuel or > pay for electricity ever again? > > Why, it would destroy Exxon, Texaco, Shell, and > all of OPEC just about overnight.
Actually it wouldn't do any such thing. See, already YOU know this and nothing has happened to any of the oil companies. Everyone that has read your stuff and believes you knows this and nothing has happened. If it was actually true, what would happen is this: The oil companies would sell some their refineries for scrap(because some oil products would still be needed) and build factories for making these knew fangled generators. Tada! The capital investment that was once a refinery(AKA gasoline factory) is converted into a different kind of factory.
> Can't have that. It's financial evolution: >"Survival of the richest."
Count me in. I own stock in several "energy companies". That is the ultimate way to defeat any "big business conspiracy". Buy the stock! Become a part of Big Business. That way, you win big while they are trying to screw you.
It's legit. It's just that these cars are nowhere near the type of cars that are on the market today. They don't have doors. They have thin, lightweight, rickety frames with bicycle seats. No air conditioning, no heat, little or no ventilation! They have poor maneuverability and poor visibility.
They have one design goal and that is MPG. It is often reasonable to boost the performance of one feature of a design by an order of magnitude or more when all others can be neglected.
Oops, next time I'll use bullets. In response to a poorly formatted post: Please take a composition class. There is a reason that paragraphs were invented.
>Uranium 235 has a drastically higher energy density, > we don't use it for the same reason why we > shouldn't use gasoline, enviromental damage.
True uranium has a higer energy density, but that's not why we don't use it because actually we do use it. See scale factors for the powerplant below. Besides, I said "almost".
>What is the TRUE size of a gasoline engine of > say 3.0L and all the stuff needed to run it?
What is relevant is it's RELATIVE size compared to competing technology. The point is, it's smaller, lighter, less complex, etc.
> Do you happen to know the cost of an oil well > and refinery?
Yes, I do. The cost of those installations is reflected in the cost of the gasoline.
>It isn't fair to compare the two.
Certainly it is fair. They are competing technologies and competition is by definition a comparison.
Now for the good part.
> the real difference comes from the fact that a > car's engine is designed to opperate over a > wide range of speeds so it obtains a pittifully > low single digit% efficiency. In a power plant, > the engine is designed to run at maximum > efficiency, at a set speed. This gets it > around 30-40%.
Ah, some real insight, but some parts have been overlooked. The CAR has to operate over a wide range of speeds. The powerplant has to produce power levels that vary widely. They are not the same thing. Even gasoline+air+IC engines cannot "natively" produce the combination of power and drive interface to the road. So, we have transmissions. In the case of cars, the cost in resources, weight, and volume of the transmission is effectively absorbed into the cost of the powerplant. This is one area where electricity+motors have a serious advantage. They don't have to pay for or carry around a transmission!
Already we see the effects of these two in new cars that are being built today. They are hybrids. There is a relatively small gasoline+air+IC engine that is supposed to make cruising power, at constant speed, and charge or maintain the batteries. There are motors that drive the wheels using the energy stored in the batteries for accelleration. Fundamentally, the generator+batteries+motors replace and form a better(more efficient) transmission. This allows the size of the gasoline+air component of the power plant to be reduced. If/when the reduction in size and complexity and or the increase in efficientcy of the IC power plant outweighs the added cost/size of the new and more efficient transmission, then we have a gain and a viable design change. With some work, a decent balance between gas tank size, gas engine size, and battery size can be worked out so that the end performance of the car can be improved relative to the gasoline+air+IC+mechanical transmission type.
Of course, this is why we see this type of car in the market today. Enough work has been invested in the technology to make it competitive.
>But the crackers most likely just wanted to tell the story. > Crackers often have a message and deface websites with it.
I get that part. Many criminals(and others for that matter) want an "outlet" for expression. Somehow that just doesn't rationalize the idiocy of committing a crime and then identifying yourself and telling someone about it.
Supposedly the reporter "hepled" the crackers by listening and then telling their story. Are the crackers going to help the reporter stay out of jail?
>The crackers got what the wanted out of the reporter. > Part of that was for the reporter to not reveale who they are.
Who's the real idiot here? Is it the cracker for revealing himself or the reporter for letting the cracker hide behind him?
They are fools if they trusted him. Anyone that puts their lives(AKA freedom) on the line just so that someone else can make some money deserves whatever they get. You can bet that they did not get a cut of the paycheck that he got for the story.
> Internal combustion is not the most efficient way of powering transport
Actually it is. That's why we use it. Of course this has no relevance to the discussion as to why we use gasoline. You said it yourself, steamers can be designed to burn almost anything, including gasoline.
As far as efficiency goes, we are actually talking about the cost of moving your ass to where ever it wants to sit. Much more has to be entered into the equation than just the cost of the fuel per unit of volume: 1) Energy density: gasoline+air beats almost everything. 2) Power per weight and volume(at small scales): This is a huge factor in efficiency and again gasoline+air in internal combustion, reciprocating engines beats almost everything. Can you guess why power plants, ships, factories and so on use steam based power plants at large scales? Why are most lawnmowers, motorcycles, model aircraft, etc. powered by gasoline+air+IC engines? 3) Cost of power plant: one more time. 4) Complexity of power plant AKA cost of maintenance: are we getting bored yet? 5) Safety AKA insurance costs: yes, gasoline+air can explode, but so can just about any system devised for storing energy. Afterall, that's what it's all about. Batteries can explode, overheat, leak and be *extremely* toxic when they do so. High pressure gas or liquid under pressure storage tanks can also leak or explode. Flyweels bearings can disintegrate, etc. 5)Useful life expectancy: how long does a battery last? How many pressurisation/depressurisation cycles can a high pressure tank take before it begins to fatigue? How much polluted air can a fuel cell breathe before it becomes corroded or clogged? How much does a new one cost? 6)Research & Development: how much will you have to invest, and then recoup in order to compete with gasoline+air+IC? So far it's obvious that not enough work has been done. Gasoline+air+IC has 90+ year head start in development and refinement over almost everything else.
Add to all of this the true cost of the fuel. That includes the obvious component cost of the fuel per unit. It also includes the cost of the time spent in actually getting it. It also includes the inconvenience or devaluation of the vehicle in operation, ie: "We can't take this car because it runs on XYZ and I don't know where we can get XYZ on that trip".
>The oil companies encouraged the car companies to use it because it locked people into using asoline
Hahaha, gasoline was a waste product that was regularly burned off at the refineries that were making fuel oil(for steam engines and heaters of all types) until the early car engine designers discovered that it had all of the properties (energy density, heat of evaporation, fluidity, liquid over desired temperature range, easily controlled ignition, etc.) that they needed. Only then did it become a "product". The fuel delivery systems became "monopolized" to use your word when the gasoline powered cars beat out everything else except for a few niche markets.
> "You can't always compare the two chip sets across the full range of tests," he added.
Uh, sorry but that's why benchmarks exist. Benchmarks are for comparison. They are an attempt at making an objective summary of the relative performance of two or more systems. Note the word "relative". That means that you are comparing something with something else. You compare the performance of one system on one benchmark against the perf of another system on the *same* benchmark. If you need more data, you do the same comparison using another benchmark.
Duh, why does intel bother with these benchmarks if they didn't want to compare the performance of their own systems with that of others?
I too live in Dallas and I run on a metered line. Their bronze package gives you 2.5G up and down plus static IPs for $23. About 450k down, and ~110k up is the best that my line(I'm at the edge of the service area) will do, but that's enough. DNS is $1 per month. If I run over the 2.5G limit, it costs $1 per 65M. No big deal, I have not come close to that except when I "tried". Their service is excellent including stats pages with usage graphs, automated email warnings when you get near your limit, phone calls(and questions) are quickly answered, pagers for emergencies, etc. Plus, they run linux and *BSD to do their work.
Forget w**. Why buy and/or if you already have one, waste a license?
I use an old alpha box(233MHz old) for firewall, email, dns, ip masquerading, junkbuster and squid. It sits in the closet all the time and it's rock solid. The day that I converted from isdn to dsl I had to take it down to add another NIC. Uptime was ~350 days.:-(
"Alternative" architectures like the axp also provide additional security against some exploits like buffer overflows built for x86...
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I had a different interpretation of this whole thing. I don't have a problem with paying for my entertainment, however I do have a problem with paying several times for what is effectively the same thing. I also have a problem with paying to see advertisements in order to see the entertainment.In my travels I have accumulated(purchased) several DVDs that I can no longer view. The reason being that I don't have a player that matches the region.
I have taken to starting the player and the disk, going to the kitchen for beer, pizza, whatever, calling the kids, letting the dog out, blablabla to burn the time while my current player is locked up and playing ads. When I hear the movie start I come back and sit down...
That's why I support OpenDVD and the like, I simply want a player that is free of external controls.
>I'd like to see if you are insensitive enough to
> tell that in the eye to the mother of a malnourished
> child, who lives every day just to find enough
> for her child to eat that day
Yep, I'd ask her why she was so insensitive to the starvation of the children all around her that she just HAD to open her legs and make a starving child of her own.
Meanwhile, I pay my electric(cpu) bills and I feed, house, dress, and educate my own kids. I also don't make more kids than I can afford. If only every parent did this, we wouldn't have this problem would we?
...nor a contest of any type.
>The fact that this hoax was taken seriously only
> adds to the mass of evidence showing how SETI
> is profoundly symptomatic of what is wrong with
> Western values and culture.
Soorrry Martinez, western values and culture enabled you to be here. If you don't appreciate them, you are free to go away(that's another feature of my western values and culture, I value your freedom).
>somebody proposed a brilliant idea: instead of
>something useless like SETI or cracking RC5,
See, thanks to WVAC, you are free to think that SETI and RC5 are useless. Just as I am free to think otherwise.
> one could dedicate those cycles to analysing
> satellite data that could help farmers plan
> crops. Truly wonderful.
Sounds like a good idea, what are you doing to help implement it?
> Sad thing, though, is that in a tech world like
> the one we have, "sexy" useless projects like
> SETI demand all the attention, while worthwhile
> causes like the latter languish. Truly sickening.
Actually, SETI does not demand attention, it is given attention by users. Here in this tech world, which BTW also provides that satellite data to farmers, we build tools. How the tools are used is up to the users.
Just as you are free to whine about the waste and uselessness of SETI, I am free to rebuke you.
You are free to spend your cycles elsewhere. You are not free to decide how mine are to be spent.
You are free to critique WCAV, and I am free to laugh in your face as you take advantage of those very same WCAV.
...and perhaps a life.
...and take a class in critical thinking...
>They amuse nobody but the hoaxer.
Dead wrong. I'm not the hoaxer and I am greatly amused. It's hard to type while holding your belly with both hands.
>They waste our time.
Waste your time perhaps, but this sort of entertainment is much more enjoyable than spending hours if front of a tv. Go download a good Steven King book!
>cause us to make plans based on false information
No, they cause you to make plans with out verifying data. That's your mistake, not mine, not theirs.
>those harmed by the hoax should have the
>power to sue the hoaxer for damages
Hahaha, this is a good one. I can see it now. You stand up in front of the court and say "I solemnly swear that yes I am stupid enough to be taken in by this scam, this scam that has done nothing but deflect me from my other stupid ideas and has prevented me from doing other stupid things." It's going to be interesting proving damage.
>Trust and credibility are very rare and valuable
> things these days, and those who abuse them
> should not be treated lightly.
Truth! Here we have some insight, but still lack depth. Trust and credibility really are rare and valuable. THAT IS WHY THEY MUST BE EARNED. You do not have my trust, nor do I give you any credibility. YOU HAVE TO EARN IT. I will doubt you from day one until you show me that I should change my mind.
You are the one that abuses trust and credibility by giving these valuable and powerful items away without regard for the consequences of your actions.
As in: try a LIVE show. There's plenty of entertainment available that doesn't have a "brand" or acronym associated with it. Even small towns have bars with bands.
Turn off your TV and your PC! Get out of the house!
>Wouldn't the warm air contacting the cooled pc
> case wall give up any and all moisture content
> as condensation?
It would give up some if they were cooled below the dewpoint, until it reached equilibrium. That's another good reason to seal it in a box.
On my box at home, I set the voltage driving the peltiers on my CPUs so that they cool the cpu to just barely below ambient when idle. That way I don't have to worry about condensation. Under full load they still knock 10C off the temp.
Output from lm-sensors while running 2 copies of seti@home:
temp1: +43 C - just Golden Orb heatsink
temp2: +32.5 C - GO + peltier at ~9V
>No, they'll be sold separately.
...would suit you just fine. You know those Ford Explorers have several colors besides the ever popular Forest Green. How about one of each? Look at this fine boat. Just run your eyes along it's sleek lines and smooth fiberglass. Isn't that metallic gelcoat pretty...just sign here, thank you. Come back any time.
And if they were, the price listed would not equal the sum of the parts? BZZZT - poor thinking.
> This'll be another example of a business taking
> advantage of gullible consumers...
Which is exactly what gullible folks are for. They are there for the rest of us to use to our own advantage. I mean really, why else do they exist? Why does anyone have the ability or motivation to observe, learn, make rational decisions, and thus become less gullible if not in order to improve their own position relative to those that remain more gullible?
> and you obviously won't be on the side of the
> business (you clearly have no understanding of
> that).
BZZZT - poor thinking again. On the contrary, I am a stock holder and I will most certainly enjoy the profits reaped from the fertile fields of the gullible and spineless fashion followers. I sincerely hope that you buy at least one of each color face plate, even if you choose not to buy the new M100. Do it just so that you can one up your office roomie and tell him that you have the complete collection! It doesn't matter if you don't like the color. The selection is there. You don't have to pick just one. If such decisions are too much for you, just get it over with and buy them all. You'll feel better afterwards.
>Grow a brain.
Don't grow a brain.
Don't open your eyes.
Don't develop a spine.
You are a fine profit source just as you are.
Hey!, I've got some M$ stock. Would you like to buy another copy of w2k? Perhaps a 3com NIC? How about another processor? You know both AMD and intel have new models over 1GHz. How about a new ***DESIGNER*** PowerPC..."Ooooh a cube. Isn't it cute!"
Just wondering...
Fujitsu. I have several both IDE and SCSI. All are quiet enough that you have to pay attention and concentrate in order to hear them whether they are seeking or not.
Mount several of the peltiers on the side of the case with massive heatsinks. That is, the order moving from inside the case to the outside would be metal-case-wall:peltier:heatsink so that you actually cool the steel wall of the case itself. I'd suggest the motherboard side so that the air on the inside of the case wall would cool, fall to the bottom and then rise up the hot side where all the components are. Then it would reach the top, contact the cooler case wall and continue to circulate. If you put the PC in a styrofoam box with the peltiers' heatsinks on the outside, you could possibly cool the whole thing and then disconnect all of your fans. Just don't touch the peltiers' heatsinks 'cause they will be HOT!
:-( Hey, if it doesn't work, you still have an electrically cooled ice chest.
Eureeka! Go to the local sporting goods store and get one of those ice chests with the peltier built in, put your PC inside and cut a hole for your cables!
Somehow I doubt that the cooler will be able to handle the heat load generated by the PC.
>Yeah, but you have to get a SCSI adapter, too.
They don't cost that much. Check out the local swapfests and such. I'm sure you could get a symbios/ncr/lsi adapter for $50 or so. A small cable is not too much and a used drive can be found anywhere for $100 or less.
Even if you get one without a bootable BIOS, and/or your motherboard doesn't include it, all you have to do is set up a boot partition to hold the kernel on an IDE.
A couple of other nice things about SCSI is their *external* portability and the addressing. With a little forethought, you can set up a universal address allocation scheme. There is no fiddling with master/slave jumpers or limitations to 2 or 4 devices per box. HDs are ID 1-4, tapes are 6, CDROMs are 5, zips(this really helps) are 0 and so forth. It's a piece of cake to take my zip and disconnect from the laptop, plug in to the desktop, and boot. I just set up all the scsi systems(that I admin) with ID 0 free. No problem to "rescue" a scsi system, just plug in whatever you want to boot with drive ID 0 and go. You can have a full fledged system without the limitations of "what can I pack into a floppy" and no messing with BIOS boot-order settings either. You can plug in any kind of drive from zip to a multi-gig hard drive at ID 0 and the system will try to boot it when it comes up. I have two of these, one is the zip drive, and another is a 2G hard drive with external power supply. The HD has a 500MB partition with windos, another with a basic linux system, lilo setup to boot windos and a selection of kernels with different drivers, 100MB swap, and space for more. It's the ultimate "rescue" package that's usable in *any* x86 system with SCSI.
There are three 1-2G SCSI drives for OS, swap, progs, home, and so forth in my "at home" server. There are also two IDEs that are 17G and 25G that are used for bulk storage of mp3s, netscape tarballs from v4.05 onward ;-P etc. They are great for backups as well. Just set up a cron job to copy everything from your working system, tgz it, label it, and save it for later. Do it every night/week/whatever.
BTW, the two IDEs cost the same and together cost as much as one of the SCSI drives. Of course there is a time lag between the purchases, but still this data/dollar ratio is ridiculously small and still shrinking.
A leer is something that you do with your eyes and generally does not make much noise.
Lear is a brand name for a small, twin engine jet aircraft, as well as other things.
>If the reporter wants to continue to be a
;-) I guess it takes all types.
> reporter, he is not an idiot for protecting his
> sources. This is every bit as much about
> protecting his own career as it is about
> protecting the crackers.
Perhaps I'm just not cut out to be a reporter. The very idea of protecting a criminal from going to jail, risking going to jail myself, in order for me to make money, in order to advance my own career, seems ludicrous, almost criminal in itself.
If the suckers had revealed themselves to me, I'd be more likely to turn them over to the appropriate agency, screw the story, these guys should be in jail! Of course, knowing this, they would not reveal themselves to me, and I would have a very limited career as a reporter.
>I know for a fact that many many times in the
:) and then smothered
> twentieth century, there have been inventors who
> came up with carburetor designs that enabled ANY
>vehicle to get 300 miles to the gallon or even
> more.
Sure you do. It's too bad that you can't document it or even do the math that would show that a gasoline powered car that weighs 4000 pounds and is driven in normal day-to-day fashion can get 300MPG.
> My dad knew one such person personally.
Actually he didn't. Either he is a fraud, the claimed inventor is a fraud, or you are a fraud.
> He invented a 300MPG carb, tried to market it,
> and instantly got bought out by Ford,
Well, that sounds like he was successful in marketing it.
> I think it was. They bought his design for >$50,000 (this was in the 50's, when 50 grand was
> actually worth something
> it. Nobody heard of it again.
Perhaps because it didn't work? Why would Ford smother it? It would allow them to kick all the other car makers butts! Just because Ford bought it, doesn't mean it has to disappear. Did Ford patent it? If so, the patent has expired and the design is free and exposed to the public. If not, then the inventor is free to do so himself. If Ford tries to sue him for breach of contract, the design will be exposed and available to the public either way. Why not? The conspiracy is defeated either way.
Like I said, do the math. Find out how much energy(zero point or other) is required to push, pull, or whatever 4000 pounds around in day-to-day driving and then do the chemistry and find out how much energy is available in a gallon of gas and then do the engineering to figure out how much is lost through hot exhaust, internal friction, transmission drag, air drag, etc. and see what is left. Rememeber, that in order to make a 300MPG carb, you can't fiddle with anything else, all you can do is pull the carb and replace it. All it can do is mix the fuel and air, better, and somehow gain a > 10 fold increase in power output per gallon of gas. It also has to be able to do this with out blowing up the engine that was not expecting to get so much power out of each cylinder full of gasoline and air.
>It is possible to take damn near any
> existing electrical motor, add a few parts, and
> turn it into a generator that runs itself
> without any fuel. You just give it a spin
> and it runs forever.
Bullshit. You know why I say this? Because no one
has done it. Do it yourself! You have the plans right there on that web page.
> But guess what happens when someone tries to
> patent such a device?
Why bother? Just do it. Show it to your friends.
Build one and replace your ceiling fan. Build another and attach it to your bicycle. Who cares about some conspiracy anyway? All you really want to do is reduce your electric and fuel bills so that you won't be under the heel of Big Business anymore.
Eventually, you will talk; you will demonstrate; people will notice; and the conspiracy will be defeated.
Of course, in reality, if this stuff really worked, the power companies would already be using it to generate electricity without having to pay for fuel oil or gas and thus their profits would be enormous.
>What would happen if everyone alive knew they
> could get a generator the size of a small desk,
> put it in their garage, and cut the power lines
> to their house, and never have to buy fuel or
> pay for electricity ever again?
>
> Why, it would destroy Exxon, Texaco, Shell, and
> all of OPEC just about overnight.
Actually it wouldn't do any such thing. See, already YOU know this and nothing has happened to any of the oil companies. Everyone that has read your stuff and believes you knows this and nothing has happened. If it was actually true, what would happen is this: The oil companies would sell some their refineries for scrap(because some oil products would still be needed) and build factories for making these knew fangled generators. Tada! The capital investment that was once a refinery(AKA gasoline factory) is converted into a different kind of factory.
> Can't have that. It's financial evolution:
>"Survival of the richest."
Count me in. I own stock in several "energy companies". That is the ultimate way to defeat any "big business conspiracy". Buy the stock! Become a part of Big Business. That way, you win big while they are trying to screw you.
It's legit. It's just that these cars are nowhere near the type of cars that are on the market today. They don't have doors. They have thin, lightweight, rickety frames with bicycle seats. No air conditioning, no heat, little or no ventilation! They have poor maneuverability and poor visibility.
They have one design goal and that is MPG. It is often reasonable to boost the performance of one feature of a design by an order of magnitude or more when all others can be neglected.
>In response to the poorly numbered 7 comments:
Oops, next time I'll use bullets. In response to a poorly formatted post: Please take a composition class. There is a reason that paragraphs were invented.
>Uranium 235 has a drastically higher energy density,
> we don't use it for the same reason why we
> shouldn't use gasoline, enviromental damage.
True uranium has a higer energy density, but that's not why we don't use it because actually we do use it. See scale factors for the powerplant below. Besides, I said "almost".
>What is the TRUE size of a gasoline engine of
> say 3.0L and all the stuff needed to run it?
What is relevant is it's RELATIVE size compared to competing technology. The point is, it's smaller, lighter, less complex, etc.
> Do you happen to know the cost of an oil well
> and refinery?
Yes, I do. The cost of those installations is reflected in the cost of the gasoline.
>It isn't fair to compare the two.
Certainly it is fair. They are competing technologies and competition is by definition a comparison.
Now for the good part.
> the real difference comes from the fact that a
> car's engine is designed to opperate over a
> wide range of speeds so it obtains a pittifully
> low single digit% efficiency. In a power plant,
> the engine is designed to run at maximum
> efficiency, at a set speed. This gets it
> around 30-40%.
Ah, some real insight, but some parts have been overlooked. The CAR has to operate over a wide range of speeds. The powerplant has to produce power levels that vary widely. They are not the same thing. Even gasoline+air+IC engines cannot "natively" produce the combination of power and drive interface to the road. So, we have transmissions. In the case of cars, the cost in resources, weight, and volume of the transmission is effectively absorbed into the cost of the powerplant. This is one area where electricity+motors have a serious advantage. They don't have to pay for or carry around a transmission!
Already we see the effects of these two in new cars that are being built today. They are hybrids. There is a relatively small gasoline+air+IC engine that is supposed to make cruising power, at constant speed, and charge or maintain the batteries. There are motors that drive the wheels using the energy stored in the batteries for accelleration. Fundamentally, the generator+batteries+motors replace and form a better(more efficient) transmission. This allows the size of the gasoline+air component of the power plant to be reduced. If/when the reduction in size and complexity and or the increase in efficientcy of the IC power plant outweighs the added cost/size of the new and more efficient transmission, then we have a gain and a viable design change. With some work, a decent balance between gas tank size, gas engine size, and battery size can be worked out so that the end performance of the car can be improved relative to the gasoline+air+IC+mechanical transmission type.
Of course, this is why we see this type of car in the market today. Enough work has been invested in the technology to make it competitive.
>But the crackers most likely just wanted to tell the story.
> Crackers often have a message and deface websites with it.
I get that part. Many criminals(and others for that matter) want an "outlet" for expression. Somehow that just doesn't rationalize the idiocy of committing a crime and then identifying yourself and telling someone about it.
Supposedly the reporter "hepled" the crackers by listening and then telling their story. Are the crackers going to help the reporter stay out of jail?
>The crackers got what the wanted out of the reporter.
> Part of that was for the reporter to not reveale who they are.
Who's the real idiot here? Is it the cracker for revealing himself or the reporter for letting the cracker hide behind him?
They are fools if they trusted him. Anyone that puts their lives(AKA freedom) on the line just so that someone else can make some money deserves whatever they get. You can bet that they did not get a cut of the paycheck that he got for the story.
> Internal combustion is not the most efficient way of powering transport
Actually it is. That's why we use it. Of course this has no relevance to the discussion as to why we use gasoline. You said it yourself, steamers can be designed to burn almost anything, including gasoline.
As far as efficiency goes, we are actually talking about the cost of moving your ass to where ever it wants to sit. Much more has to be entered into the equation than just the cost of the fuel per unit of volume:
1) Energy density: gasoline+air beats almost everything.
2) Power per weight and volume(at small scales): This is a huge factor in efficiency and again gasoline+air in internal combustion, reciprocating engines beats almost everything. Can you guess why power plants, ships, factories and so on use steam based power plants at large scales? Why are most lawnmowers, motorcycles, model aircraft, etc. powered by gasoline+air+IC engines?
3) Cost of power plant: one more time.
4) Complexity of power plant AKA cost of maintenance: are we getting bored yet?
5) Safety AKA insurance costs: yes, gasoline+air can explode, but so can just about any system devised for storing energy. Afterall, that's what it's all about. Batteries can explode, overheat, leak and be *extremely* toxic when they do so. High pressure gas or liquid under pressure storage tanks can also leak or explode. Flyweels bearings can disintegrate, etc.
5)Useful life expectancy: how long does a battery last? How many pressurisation/depressurisation cycles can a high pressure tank take before it begins to fatigue? How much polluted air can a fuel cell breathe before it becomes corroded or clogged? How much does a new one cost?
6)Research & Development: how much will you have to invest, and then recoup in order to compete with gasoline+air+IC? So far it's obvious that not enough work has been done. Gasoline+air+IC has 90+ year head start in development and refinement over almost everything else.
Add to all of this the true cost of the fuel. That includes the obvious component cost of the fuel per unit. It also includes the cost of the time spent in actually getting it. It also includes the inconvenience or devaluation of the vehicle in operation, ie: "We can't take this car because it runs on XYZ and I don't know where we can get XYZ on that trip".
>The oil companies encouraged the car companies to use it because it locked people into using asoline
Hahaha, gasoline was a waste product that was regularly burned off at the refineries that were making fuel oil(for steam engines and heaters of all types) until the early car engine designers discovered that it had all of the properties (energy density, heat of evaporation, fluidity, liquid over desired temperature range, easily controlled ignition, etc.) that they needed. Only then did it become a "product". The fuel delivery systems became "monopolized" to use your word when the gasoline powered cars beat out everything else except for a few niche markets.
Yes, I'm funny, haha.
Just skip the review and jump straight down to the comments.
That's what I did. I find it much more entertaining to read the anti-katz comments than to actually read what he wrote.
Unfortunately, I don't get to read much anti-katz stuff since I have the filter on.
The intel speaker spoke thusly:
> "You can't always compare the two chip sets across the full range of tests," he added.
Uh, sorry but that's why benchmarks exist. Benchmarks are for comparison. They are an attempt at making an objective summary of the relative performance of two or more systems. Note the word "relative". That means that you are comparing something with something else. You compare the performance of one system on one benchmark against the perf of another system on the *same* benchmark. If you need more data, you do the same comparison using another benchmark.
Duh, why does intel bother with these benchmarks if they didn't want to compare the performance of their own systems with that of others?
I too live in Dallas and I run on a metered line. Their bronze package gives you 2.5G up and down plus static IPs for $23. About 450k down, and ~110k up is the best that my line(I'm at the edge of the service area) will do, but that's enough. DNS is $1 per month. If I run over the 2.5G limit, it costs $1 per 65M. No big deal, I have not come close to that except when I "tried". Their service is excellent including stats pages with usage graphs, automated email warnings when you get near your limit, phone calls(and questions) are quickly answered, pagers for emergencies, etc. Plus, they run linux and *BSD to do their work.
SWBell provides the line.
Forget w**. Why buy and/or if you already have one, waste a license?
:-(
I use an old alpha box(233MHz old) for firewall, email, dns, ip masquerading, junkbuster and squid. It sits in the closet all the time and it's rock solid. The day that I converted from isdn to dsl I had to take it down to add another NIC. Uptime was ~350 days.
"Alternative" architectures like the axp also provide additional security against some exploits like buffer overflows built for x86...