....Can you prove with "infallible evidence" that your beliefs are right? Then why should I have to?
The corpus of scientific knowledge can provide clear and convincing proof that key tenets of Judeo-Christian belief systems are false. Please provide evidence to the contrary. You can't, can you? I think that pretty much says it all.
N.B. That's the problem with dogma is that it may not be disputed, doubted or diverged from. That's not to say that science gives us all knowledge. However, the Scientific Method *requires* that we dispute, doubt and diverge from beliefs when evidence contrary to those beliefs is discovered. Anything else is just self-deception and fantasy.
You're not going to find irrefutable proof either for or against the claims of (for the sake of discussion) Christianity. You're going to have to gather information as best you can, and make a judgment call. If you really care about getting to the truth of some matter, there's no shortcut around doing your own thinking.
I can say with enormous confidence that the earth was *not* created 6,000 years ago. I can also say with similar confidence that the fossil record, DNA research and, well, pretty much all of modern biology confirms that humans are the product of more than 600 million years of evolution. Christianity claims those things are not so.
Please provide *any* evidence that the above statements are not true. Not bible verses, not sweeping declarations of faith. Evidence. Don't have any? Thought so.
Why are we even having this conversation? If your belief system contains elements that are demonstrably false, either remove those elements or stop lying to yourself and others about what the "truth" is.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled morons.
As I said to Mr. Head Up His Ass:
"All of which fairly screams that you're either daft, trolling or just an asshole." I'll let the world decide which.:)
I have my email going back to 1996. Several copies (2.4GB) of it in fact, as the email has moved with me through a number of disk and system upgrades. If you really must free up the space, why not just write the mail to a CD/DVD or a USB stick or put it on the SD card of your smart phone?
screw you. I'm posting AC too because I hate logging into my account. I use a proxy, noscript, different browsers, and don't need my comments tracked. You post your name, address, and telephone number first.
Oh, you mean you do those things because you value your privacy, eh? So why are your trolling about "come on in, I have nothing to hide." Please.
Because your birth certificate lists "notsanguine" as your legal name, right?
I did not say "Sure come on in. I have nothing to hide." If (and the irony is wonderful) the AC really felt that way, he/she/it wouldn't have a problem posting that information. I, on the other hand, value my privacy. I could just as easily posted as AC (okay, not just as easily I'd have to check the "Post anonymously" checkbox too), but I chose not to. And so, at least within/. my comments are coming from a known quantity.
It wouldn't surprise me if you are, in fact, the AC spouting this ridiculous, trolling bullshit.
I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe.
The government should not be able to access the records of any business and or any citizens without the correct due process that is afforded not only by our constitution, but also by the laws of the business' / citizen's country of residence.
I don't see the issue. Unless your using the cloud to store kiddy porn, your terrorism plots, or other illegal shit why do you care? The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
Because my payroll records, confidential company databases/documents, strategic plans, company emails and other stuff isn't anyone else's business even if there's nothing illegal immoral or fattening about them.
Are you really a moron, or do you just play one on/.?
The problem is, I don't see how you can possibly get anything different as long as random members of the group are allowed to have moderation ability. As long as the group in general is allowed to decide what is good or not good, you're going to get a system where ideas that conform to the group's thinking (in general) rise to the top, and ideas that don't are down-modded so they're effectively censored. These unpopular ideas can either be things that many members of the group simply don't like (such as anything that shows Microsoft in a bad light, or anything that challenges the reality and supremacy of The Invisible Hand), or they can be "trolls" and other off-topic crap like the goatse posts and the recent anilingus posts. Think about it: why are the goatse posts considered "trolls" and downmodded? Because they're unpopular and most people don't like them. Of course, this is for good reason; they're both tasteless and off-topic, but still, if we lived in a weird alternate universe where Slashdotters just couldn't stop laughing every time someone posted a goatse link, those posts wouldn't be downmodded, and probably would be modded "Funny" every time someone posted one.
Doesn't anyone read J.S. MIll Mills [Sic] outlines the benefits of 'searching for and discovering the truth' as a way to further knowledge. He argued that even if an opinion is false, the truth can be better understood by refuting the error
Perhaps I'm something of an optimist (but then again, so was Murphy), but I think that over the longer term that those who are sane, rational and reasonable will overwhelm those with axes to grind, ineffective meds or general jerkoffs.
I don't give a rat's ass how folks mod me. Yes, it's nice to see when I'm up-modded but I don't post for the moderation. I post to share information and express my opinion. If you think I'm wrong or don't like my opinion, I welcome your criticism. If people take a dislike to me and try to bury my posts, well that's a shame, but as has been pointed out repeatedly, there's really no way to stop that effectively.
While it might create something of an echo chamber, it might be useful to create an exception feature to your viewing preferences. To wit, allow logged in users to set their viewing preferences at +3 or +1 or whatever, but also allow them to create a list of users (or even keywords maybe? or maybe not so much) for whom they wish to see all posts, regardless of mods.
Oh, I'm sure that Facebook stuck to the letter of the EULA, which, without doubt, says that Facebook can do whatever they want now, and if you argue about it, they can change the EULA retroactively at will such that there's no question at all about the matter.
Apparently, the German Merck entered into an agreement with FB in March 2010 (cf. Original Story/a)
Fantastic, so now Facebook has the right of determining valid trademarks, on top of all the personal data it collects. I may be cynical here, but I get the feeling that 'playing nice' will involve the largest payment in combination with the best legal team.
According to the original report: Merck in Germany said in the filing that it entered into an agreement with Facebook on or about March, 2010 for the exclusive use of the web page. Merck said it assigned administrative rights to the web page to a limited number of people, who are its employees, or its external service provider for registration of domain names and social media user names.
As I said above, it just shows what an agreement with Facebook is worth.
the 36DD sales lady with the short skirt and no gag reflex wants to sell you.
Sexism! It is so unnecessary.
Why don't you just use "suit with shiny folder"? Better up, you used "sales moron" it is ok to
reuse it, because that is what you mean.
No. "sales moron" is not what I meant.in that instance. I said exactly what I meant to say, and all of it was true (well, the bit about the gag reflex was idle speculation, so you got me there. My apologies.). Is it still sexist if it's true? I've been in the IT business a long time and I've seen it many times -- the vendor sends the hottest female sales people they can find to talk to male customer prospects, they dress provocatively and use their "assets" to help them sell. Like most sales people (male and female), they don't know their technology, they're there to close the sale by whatever means are at their disposal. This isn't new, nor is it limited to IT equipment/software vendors.
I'm sorry that my frank depiction of the real world impinged on a sensitive spot for you. I'll make sure to lie from now on so as not to upset you.
Reading between the lines is an important skill. Sadly, you *completely* missed my point. The annoyance you sensed was a reaction to a jackass and his obnoxious diatribe about carping and lazy IT folk.
Apparently, you're dealing with anger issues yourself, since my post wasn't directed at you, yet you chose to respond with vitriol and unfounded personal slurs:
That you're too stupid to find a better job is no one's fault but your own. The company is fucking you up the ass like a cheap whore and all you're doing is asking them to shove it in deeper. They know you'll put up with anything they do to you without even a peep and they've wringing you for all you're worth. Then when you finally snap and hang yourself they'll find another moron to fill your space.
To wit: You have no idea as to what my job prospects or interests may be, You are completely ignorant of my compensation package, you know nothing about my personality or what, as you put it, "I will put up with." You also have zero clue as to my job responsibilities or the skills and knowledge required to fulfill those responsibilities, or what It would take to replace me.
All of which fairly screams that you're either daft, trolling or just an asshole. In any event, I'll leave you and your anger issues be. I recommend seeing a therapist and, perhaps, taking up meditation.
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You didn't provide anything for me to refute.... How am I supposed to refute your "clear and convincing proof" if I don't know what it is?
Here's an example
And another
Have you seen an atom? Let's alone a Boson-Higgs particle?
Do you fail to grasp the amount faith you have in your beliefs?
Just saying. And probably the only thing that's been as wrong as much as religion has been science.
Perhaps the problem lies neither in God nor science but in humanity.
Yes. Science is often wrong. So is religious doctrine. Can you guess what the difference is?
Science acknowledges error when it finds it. Religious doctrine is dogma. Get it now?
....Can you prove with "infallible evidence" that your beliefs are right? Then why should I have to?
The corpus of scientific knowledge can provide clear and convincing proof that key tenets of Judeo-Christian belief systems are false. Please provide evidence to the contrary. You can't, can you? I think that pretty much says it all.
N.B. That's the problem with dogma is that it may not be disputed, doubted or diverged from. That's not to say that science gives us all knowledge. However, the Scientific Method *requires* that we dispute, doubt and diverge from beliefs when evidence contrary to those beliefs is discovered. Anything else is just self-deception and fantasy.
You're not going to find irrefutable proof either for or against the claims of (for the sake of discussion) Christianity. You're going to have to gather information as best you can, and make a judgment call. If you really care about getting to the truth of some matter, there's no shortcut around doing your own thinking.
I can say with enormous confidence that the earth was *not* created 6,000 years ago.
I can also say with similar confidence that the fossil record, DNA research and, well, pretty much all of modern biology confirms that humans are the product of more than 600 million years of evolution. Christianity claims those things are not so.
Please provide *any* evidence that the above statements are not true. Not bible verses, not sweeping declarations of faith. Evidence. Don't have any? Thought so.
Why are we even having this conversation? If your belief system contains elements that are demonstrably false, either remove those elements or stop lying to yourself and others about what the "truth" is.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled morons.
Thanks! I appreciate the sentiment, and I agree.
As I said to Mr. Head Up His Ass: :)
"All of which fairly screams that you're either daft, trolling or just an asshole." I'll let the world decide which.
The organization I work for has links from both companies. We'd love to have access to other ISPs, but they don't exist. You do the math.
I have my email going back to 1996. Several copies (2.4GB) of it in fact, as the email has moved with me through a number of disk and system upgrades. If you really must free up the space, why not just write the mail to a CD/DVD or a USB stick or put it on the SD card of your smart phone?
"So the question is, 'Who is Morgana Le Fay?" :) :) :)
Actually, it was Marcus Cole
screw you. I'm posting AC too because I hate logging into my account. I use a proxy, noscript, different browsers, and don't need my comments tracked. You post your name, address, and telephone number first.
Oh, you mean you do those things because you value your privacy, eh? So why are your trolling about "come on in, I have nothing to hide." Please.
Why are you storing confidential data on a server controlled by someone else? That's a dumb idea even without this law existing.
I didn't say I was. I was merely pointing out, with *examples* just how moronic the OPs statements were.
Because your birth certificate lists "notsanguine" as your legal name, right?
I did not say "Sure come on in. I have nothing to hide." If (and the irony is wonderful) the AC really felt that way, he/she/it wouldn't have a problem posting that information. I, on the other hand, value my privacy. I could just as easily posted as AC (okay, not just as easily I'd have to check the "Post anonymously" checkbox too), but I chose not to. And so, at least within /. my comments are coming from a known quantity.
It wouldn't surprise me if you are, in fact, the AC spouting this ridiculous, trolling bullshit.
Have a nice day!
I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them? So, now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe.
--JMS
The government should not be able to access the records of any business and or any citizens without the correct due process that is afforded not only by our constitution, but also by the laws of the business' / citizen's country of residence.
FTFY
That's odd, coming from an AC. why don't you post your name, address and telephone number so we can make sure?
I don't see the issue. Unless your using the cloud to store kiddy porn, your terrorism plots, or other illegal shit why do you care? The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
Because my payroll records, confidential company databases/documents, strategic plans, company emails and other stuff isn't anyone else's business even if there's nothing illegal immoral or fattening about them.
Are you really a moron, or do you just play one on /.?
Geez, Robert! This took less than five seconds.
So, are you trolling or are you just too lazy to type "CarrierIQ" into the search bar?
Sigh!
For those who are gunshy about clicking links here (is that a Goatse I hear?), just search Slashdot for CarrierIQ
Doesn't anyone read J.S. MIll
Mills [Sic] outlines the benefits of 'searching for and discovering the truth' as a way to further knowledge. He argued that even if an opinion is false, the truth can be better understood by refuting the error
Perhaps I'm something of an optimist (but then again, so was Murphy), but I think that over the longer term that those who are sane, rational and reasonable will overwhelm those with axes to grind, ineffective meds or general jerkoffs.
I don't give a rat's ass how folks mod me. Yes, it's nice to see when I'm up-modded but I don't post for the moderation. I post to share information and express my opinion. If you think I'm wrong or don't like my opinion, I welcome your criticism. If people take a dislike to me and try to bury my posts, well that's a shame, but as has been pointed out repeatedly, there's really no way to stop that effectively.
While it might create something of an echo chamber, it might be useful to create an exception feature to your viewing preferences. To wit, allow logged in users to set their viewing preferences at +3 or +1 or whatever, but also allow them to create a list of users (or even keywords maybe? or maybe not so much) for whom they wish to see all posts, regardless of mods.
Just a thought.
Oh, I'm sure that Facebook stuck to the letter of the EULA, which, without doubt, says that Facebook can do whatever they want now, and if you argue about it, they can change the EULA retroactively at will such that there's no question at all about the matter.
Apparently, the German Merck entered into an agreement with FB in March 2010 (cf. Original Story/a)
Fantastic, so now Facebook has the right of determining valid trademarks, on top of all the personal data it collects. I may be cynical here, but I get the feeling that 'playing nice' will involve the largest payment in combination with the best legal team.
According to the original report:
Merck in Germany said in the filing that it entered into an agreement with Facebook on or about March, 2010 for the exclusive use of the web page. Merck said it assigned administrative rights to the web page to a limited number of people, who are its employees, or its external service provider for registration of domain names and social media user names.
As I said above, it just shows what an agreement with Facebook is worth.
It just goes to show what an agreement with Facebook is worth.
They just need to ask Aquaman to go get it.
the 36DD sales lady with the short skirt and no gag reflex wants to sell you.
Sexism! It is so unnecessary.
Why don't you just use "suit with shiny folder"? Better up, you used "sales moron" it is ok to reuse it, because that is what you mean.
No. "sales moron" is not what I meant.in that instance. I said exactly what I meant to say, and all of it was true (well, the bit about the gag reflex was idle speculation, so you got me there. My apologies.). Is it still sexist if it's true? I've been in the IT business a long time and I've seen it many times -- the vendor sends the hottest female sales people they can find to talk to male customer prospects, they dress provocatively and use their "assets" to help them sell. Like most sales people (male and female), they don't know their technology, they're there to close the sale by whatever means are at their disposal. This isn't new, nor is it limited to IT equipment/software vendors.
I'm sorry that my frank depiction of the real world impinged on a sensitive spot for you. I'll make sure to lie from now on so as not to upset you.
Reading between the lines is an important skill. Sadly, you *completely* missed my point. The annoyance you sensed was a reaction to a jackass and his obnoxious diatribe about carping and lazy IT folk.
Apparently, you're dealing with anger issues yourself, since my post wasn't directed at you, yet you chose to respond with vitriol and unfounded personal slurs:
That you're too stupid to find a better job is no one's fault but your own. The company is fucking you up the ass like a cheap whore and all you're doing is asking them to shove it in deeper. They know you'll put up with anything they do to you without even a peep and they've wringing you for all you're worth. Then when you finally snap and hang yourself they'll find another moron to fill your space.
To wit: You have no idea as to what my job prospects or interests may be, You are completely ignorant of my compensation package, you know nothing about my personality or what, as you put it, "I will put up with." You also have zero clue as to my job responsibilities or the skills and knowledge required to fulfill those responsibilities, or what It would take to replace me.
All of which fairly screams that you're either daft, trolling or just an asshole. In any event, I'll leave you and your anger issues be. I recommend seeing a therapist and, perhaps, taking up meditation.
Oh, and have a lovely day! XOXOXO