I would bet you'd be hard pressed to find a household that hasn't had someone with 1 or all of them at some point in any given 12 month period
You think it is perfectly normal for a family of 3... all 3 of them to start experiencing all these symptoms simultaneously with extreme severity? It doesn't matter how common you think the symptoms are. This is not explainable as a normal phenomenon. It is a definite indication of a problem, possible poisoning. They are also miserable symptoms to suffer.
There are 60 or so chemical elements found in every person on the planet
"I hired someone to do water and air sampling at the home," she said.
"The methane level in my daughter's room was at asphyxiation levels. And it was barely lower than
what it was outside our home."
"She showed the results to her doctor, who told her to leave her home within 48 hours."
........
In early fall 2009, she visited an environmental doctor who confirmed the presence of neurotoxins in her blood
that matched chemicals used in natural gas production.
Medical tests confirmed the toxins in Lisa's system matched toxins found in the atmosphere in an air-quality
investigation conducted by the Texas Commission of Environmental Quality (TCEQ) at a nearby gas well site.
On the evening of July 25, 2010, the Parrs smelled as trong odor emanating from a frac tank at a site operated by Arbua Petroleum of Plano. They reported it to TCEQ. Investigators arrived within hours to capture air samples.
Odors were detected up to a quarter-mile from the well site.
The investigator, Damon Armstrong, reported that a "plume" wafting from the tank was "visible with the naked eye."
The petroleum-like odor was so intense the investigator himself felt sick in the short time he was there.
Noting dizziness and sore throat.
The analysis found five compounds that exceeded safe values for short-term health effects,
and another 20 exceeded safe levels for long-term effects.
The investigation found elevated levels of ethane, pentane, bexane, octane, xylene, and nonae,
all potentially toxic chemicals.
Four days later, a medical test discovered the same chemicals inside Lisa.
"The environmental specialist ran numerous tests on me." Lisa said, "I had about 20 of the chemicals
they use in the oil and gas industry in my tissues and in my blood system.
Never in my life had I been so sick."
Aruba operates many of the 21 gas wells surrounding the Parr Home.
TCEQ has received dozens of odor, spill, and nuisance complaints from Allison residents in the community
over the past year.
Enforcement actions are pending against two nearby Aruba sites, one for nuisance and another for violations
without authorization.
The company has been fined more than $30,000 in the past year by TCEQ for operations in the Allison area.
The July 25 report recommended Aruba receive two more violations.
One was for contaminants being in such concentration and of such duration... to be injurious to or to
adversly affect human health or welfare, animal life, vegetation, or property."
A second was for failure to claim authorization for a facility emitting air contaminants.
No gas wells are in the Parrs' 40 acres. The wells in question surround their land, hundreds of yards
removed from the home. But their location makes it a natural pocket for collecting heavy toxins.
"We live below a ridge in a little valley," Bob said. "At night when the wind dies down, anything
down here sits and settles. Some of these chemicals and toxins are heavier than the air."
"I was pretty much losing my memory," she said "I couldn't walk straight, and I kept falling down.
I
Nosebleeds? Vomitting white foam? Blood pressure issues? Yea, I've got all of those too!"
Do you have them with all chronically starting about the same time, with severity as great as the Parrs, and without a simple medical explanation?
Do you have unnatural neurotoxins found in your blood?
Robert Parr testified that an environmental doctor had told family members that they had several neurotoxins in their blood that matched chemicals used in natural gas activities. His wife gave similar testimony.
The Parr family had them pretty severe, according to the dailymail.
During the trial, Robert Parr testified his family were left unable to drink the water out of their well and Emma would wake up covered in blood sometimes because of terrible nose bleeds.
'My doctors asked me to start keeping up with what was going on in my area because no one could figure out what was wrong,' said Lisa to MyFoxDFW.
Cattle born on the Parr's ranch were also deformed
The lawsuit stated that the Parr's 'experienced almost continual sickness, annoyance, discomfort and inconvenience', due to the fracking operations.
...
These are all classic symptoms tied to hydrocarbon exposure,' said Brad Gilde, a Houston attorney who represented the Parrs in the trial to the Dallas News.
The jury awarded the family $275,000 for lost property value, $2.4 million for past mental anguish, pain and suffering by the couple and their daughter; and $250,000 for future pain and suffering.
The purchase price of a smart phone is only a fraction of how much it costs to run over a 24-month period.
And yet... so far my admittedly limited observation is that in the US -- most people have cell phones, even people who are poor ---- their cell phone may have replaced their landline. The monthly cell phone plan is one of those essential things that people seem to buy, just after water food, essential medicine, and electricity, even when they don't have any disposable income.
Or are the applications also designed to run with no data connection, logging data for later upload through Wi-Fi?
The streetbumb.org app records an entire trip, and you upload the data after the trip is over.
He described a program called "Street Bump" in Boston that detected pot-holes using sensors in smartphones of citizens who had downloaded an app. The program inadvertently directed repair crews to wealthier neighborhoods, where people were more likely to carry smartphones and download the app.
This is a perfect example of something that's NOT discrimination. The "wealthy" neighborhood committed more time and energy towards reporting potholes; this is not discrimination based on their person, but these people made different choices.
This is not government discrimination. This is an emergent difference, based on choices that different groups of people in some areas may be more likely to make.
These were most likely just the earliest adopters of the app, BUT people who can afford gas for a $5000 for a car can afford a $50 smart phone capable of running the apps.
The government could also do smart things like make sure to send their own cars down to look at streets not frequently visited by users of their app.
rad levels are 10,000 rem / hour, their nervous system would shut down prior to their rather prompt death.
I suppose not. However, the bad guys may be suicidal errorists, remember?
Also... if some Ukranian extremists think the Russians are about to take their country, they might opt to blow open the Sarcophagus... Also instead of entering the building on foot, the bad guys may bring in a few thousand pounds of high explosives to open up the structure and disperse materials -- they just need to collect enough bits a few miles away in order to to transport to their target.
Any court that has personal jurisdiction over the corporation. Which is to say wherever the company is incorporated or resides.
Good news, everyone... Microsoft US, Inc. and Microsoft Ireland, Inc. are separate corporations with their own separate trustees/agents. The court might want to issue a search warrant for officers to visit Microsoft Ireland's premises and seize potential evidence, BUT only Microsoft US has a presence in the US, therefore, the court has no ability to hold Microsoft US in contempt for some other company's choices.
And also... no law gives US police officers the right to take a flight to ireland and try to act upon the warrant, AND no law allows or requires Ireland police officers to receive a copy of the warrant and honor it.
Particularly, if the laws of Ireland prohibit transportation of any books/records overseas containing account information, logs, activity information, financial transaction details, or anything with evidence of use on Ireland customers, without each customer submitting a pen and paper signed consent form, for instance..
Any significant sabotage to a nuke plant that actually leads to a nuclear release is a whole lot harder to pull off
Theft of radioactive materials... probably not so much.. but is theft from an active plant the easiest route that the bad guys are going to pick? They could actually buy it on the open market...
Also... come to think of it.... there's 200 square miles or so of wasteland from chernobyl in Ukraine with radioactive materials there, essentially abandoned.
Granted, it's been 30 years, and anything highly radioactive ought to have decayed by now, with only long halflife low-level radioactives remaining, but I'm sure a persistent suicidal thief with the right tools and knowledge could be able to find enough materials to construct something combined with more traditional explosives that the public would find scary;
just the idea that those terrorists/miscreants/ne'erdowells could be in possession of such stuff could keep the world from sleeping at night.
The 5 'symptoms' listed are all pretty common. I would bet you'd be hard pressed to find a household that hasn't had someone with 1 or all of them at some point in any given 12 month period...
It would seem the jury knows a lot more than you about the commonality of these symptoms.
They show evidence of more likely than not exposure to environmental hazards, probably from the well out back, and that is the standard that needs to be met to prevail in court.
As for blood pressure issues in 11 year olds... less than 8% of the population, AND it is definitely not within the normal course of life for a person to experience all five of these symptoms simultaneously, together with positive results for toxic chemicals.
There are 60 or so chemical elements found in every person on the planet, almost all of which can be "toxic".
Now you are just trolling. There are plenty of elements found in the body, BUT you are not expected to test positive for even one on tests for chemicals that are taken for health purposes. More than a nanoscale quantity of chemical is more likely than not to be the direct result of exposure to serious environmental hazards.
I would suggest a law that forbids information to be retrieved from servers for the purposes
of satisfying a warrant or supposed legal order that has not been validated by a court within jurisdiction.
The question is: who does have legal jurisdiction on data stored in a given country? The courts of that country, or the courts of the nationality of the company who manages the data storage?
Which doesn't matter. Try the dry ice CO2 experiment to see for yourself.
You need pressure to have a body of CO2 gas form a fluid as well; the little bit of dry ice CO2 would just rapidly dissipate, without the atmospheric pressure.
Pressures of course have a role in a syphon. As liquid is displaced out of the bottom by gravity, the fluid's pressure in the tube will tend to equalize by drawing in more fluid (water or air) at the submerged source side of the tube.
Until such time as the fluid pressure coming into the tube at the destination side is equal to or exceeds the pressure coming into the tube at the source side of the tube, at which point the syphon breaks or reverses.
If you turn off gravity, then you will no longer have a syphon, once the pressures equallize.
Come to think of it... if you turn off gravity, then earth's atmospheric pressure goes to 0.
Oh really? Which problem are you saying is common?
Having 20 toxic chemicals found in your body?
"By 2009, I was having a multitude of problems," Lisa Parr told CNN. "My central nervous system was messed up. I couldn't hear, and my vision was messed up. My entire body would shake inside. I was vomiting white foam in the mornings."
...
In 2009, Lisa's husband, Robert, and their 11-year-old daughter, Emma, also became ill, suffering a laundry-list of symptoms.
"They had nosebleeds, vision problems, nausea, rashes, blood pressure issues. Being that the wells were not on our property, we had no idea that what they were doing on the property around us was affecting us," she said.
"One night, our whole house was vibrating and shaking. We lease that property for our cattle and so I went over there to make sure our cattle wasn't around there, and when I went over there my nose and throat started burning." ....
Parr called the state Commission on Environmental Quality.
"My doctor, an internal specialist, found 20 chemicals in my body and he said, 'Lisa you must move immediately. You will spend more time and money on hospitals, chemotherapy, and a mortician... and you need to get an environmental health doctor immediately,' " she said.
The Parrs filed suit in March 2011, asking for $66 million in damages against nine companies that were originally thought to be involved
Keep in mind that if any family members develop cancer or some other ailment later in life as a result of the company's irresponsibility, then that will probably be covered under this award as well.
The company should have been required to place at least $10 Million in a trust fund obligated to pay for any future medical bills caused in the future to these people or other people harmed by this or other incidents involving the company's wells.
Yeah... but they didn't have information about what portion of the energy usage was heat/air conditioning and what portion of the energy usage was 'other stuff'
If they can get that information, then they can more efficiently target energy usage for 'other stuff''
and just a search warrant for all properties whose 'other stuff' usage is more than a standard deviation above the mean.
Wouldnt copy/paste layers into a new CAD file or changing the design minimally forego the nonsense?
Then the new CAD file wouldn't be digitally signed.
I think the suggestion is... intellectual property and no-weapons-on-your-printer are so difficult to enforce otherwise, that the corporations and special interests lobby the government to mandate a system where you have to connect to an internet server for approval every time you want to print something.
And if the CAD file is unknown or not digitally signed, then you need to submit it for approval which includes verification that printing it won't be a known patent/copyright infringement or part that can be used as or with a concealable or automated weapon system.
(E.g. Printing a plastic gun = banned. Printing a high capacity magazine for an assault rifle or other 'dangerous' device = banned.
It bears mentioning that atmospheric pressure is created by gravity in the first place. The wall of air above any patch of ground has a mass which gravity gives a weight. The sum of the weight of this mass creates the atmospheric pressure: without gravity, this gaseous atmosphere would spread and disperse into space until pressure was eventually that of the vacuum.
The mechanism of a siphon does rely on fluid pressure to work just not atmospheric pressure. As some liquid pulls out and follows the force of gravity; a suction is created, and water molecules that are adhering follow the flow this creates.
If pressure is reduced by 80%, it stops working at all. See the article for details.
After pressure is reduced by 80%; the substance ceases to be a proper liquid -- in essence, it loses the properties of water.
You can also accomplish this by increasing temperature as well, until the liquid begins to vaporize.
This does not mean that a siphon is something caused by low temperature.
The siphon is something caused by gravity, that relies on some properties of the liquid to work that have some sensitivity to pressure/temp.
For a siphon to work; the liquid needs to have certain properties that water does have.
Including surface tension/adhesion, and specifically -- capillary action.
If you're using 10% more energy than your neighbors because you're growing pot your increased demand is going to be lower than...
So the next buyer of this information is law enforcement.
On second thought.... they can just wait until the power companies buy the information,
and then send them an order to hand over a copy of all the data, for investigative purposes.
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But it still requires specifically an iPhone
They are working on it
I would bet you'd be hard pressed to find a household that hasn't had someone with 1 or all of them at some point in any given 12 month period
You think it is perfectly normal for a family of 3... all 3 of them to start experiencing all these symptoms simultaneously with extreme severity? It doesn't matter how common you think the symptoms are. This is not explainable as a normal phenomenon. It is a definite indication of a problem, possible poisoning. They are also miserable symptoms to suffer.
There are 60 or so chemical elements found in every person on the planet
See this article, Page 2A this article
Nosebleeds? Vomitting white foam? Blood pressure issues? Yea, I've got all of those too!"
Do you have them with all chronically starting about the same time, with severity as great as the Parrs, and without a simple medical explanation? Do you have unnatural neurotoxins found in your blood?
Robert Parr testified that an environmental doctor had told family members that they had several neurotoxins in their blood that matched chemicals used in natural gas activities. His wife gave similar testimony.
The Parr family had them pretty severe, according to the dailymail.
The jury awarded the family $275,000 for lost property value, $2.4 million for past mental anguish, pain and suffering by the couple and their daughter; and $250,000 for future pain and suffering.
The purchase price of a smart phone is only a fraction of how much it costs to run over a 24-month period.
And yet... so far my admittedly limited observation is that in the US -- most people have cell phones, even people who are poor ---- their cell phone may have replaced their landline. The monthly cell phone plan is one of those essential things that people seem to buy, just after water food, essential medicine, and electricity, even when they don't have any disposable income.
Or are the applications also designed to run with no data connection, logging data for later upload through Wi-Fi?
The streetbumb.org app records an entire trip, and you upload the data after the trip is over.
He described a program called "Street Bump" in Boston that detected pot-holes using sensors in smartphones of citizens who had downloaded an app. The program inadvertently directed repair crews to wealthier neighborhoods, where people were more likely to carry smartphones and download the app.
This is a perfect example of something that's NOT discrimination. The "wealthy" neighborhood committed more time and energy towards reporting potholes; this is not discrimination based on their person, but these people made different choices.
This is not government discrimination. This is an emergent difference, based on choices that different groups of people in some areas may be more likely to make.
These were most likely just the earliest adopters of the app, BUT people who can afford gas for a $5000 for a car can afford a $50 smart phone capable of running the apps.
The government could also do smart things like make sure to send their own cars down to look at streets not frequently visited by users of their app.
where after digging the big hole, they accidentally fall in, and can't get the heck out!
That part had to be censored due to copyright/licensing issues
Burial wasn't sufficient for Windows ME; it had to be nuked from orbit.
To make room for the surface tablets.
Sure it's not to make room for unsold Blackberry 10s and Zunes?
At least the surface pro tablets were perfectly functional solitaire players
rad levels are 10,000 rem / hour, their nervous system would shut down prior to their rather prompt death.
I suppose not. However, the bad guys may be suicidal errorists, remember?
Also... if some Ukranian extremists think the Russians are about to take their country, they might opt to blow open the Sarcophagus... Also instead of entering the building on foot, the bad guys may bring in a few thousand pounds of high explosives to open up the structure and disperse materials -- they just need to collect enough bits a few miles away in order to to transport to their target.
Any court that has personal jurisdiction over the corporation. Which is to say wherever the company is incorporated or resides.
Good news, everyone... Microsoft US, Inc. and Microsoft Ireland, Inc. are separate corporations with their own separate trustees/agents. The court might want to issue a search warrant for officers to visit Microsoft Ireland's premises and seize potential evidence, BUT only Microsoft US has a presence in the US, therefore, the court has no ability to hold Microsoft US in contempt for some other company's choices.
And also... no law gives US police officers the right to take a flight to ireland and try to act upon the warrant, AND no law allows or requires Ireland police officers to receive a copy of the warrant and honor it.
Particularly, if the laws of Ireland prohibit transportation of any books/records overseas containing account information, logs, activity information, financial transaction details, or anything with evidence of use on Ireland customers, without each customer submitting a pen and paper signed consent form, for instance..
Any significant sabotage to a nuke plant that actually leads to a nuclear release is a whole lot harder to pull off
Theft of radioactive materials... probably not so much.. but is theft from an active plant the easiest route that the bad guys are going to pick? They could actually buy it on the open market...
Also... come to think of it.... there's 200 square miles or so of wasteland from chernobyl in Ukraine with radioactive materials there, essentially abandoned.
Granted, it's been 30 years, and anything highly radioactive ought to have decayed by now, with only long halflife low-level radioactives remaining, but I'm sure a persistent suicidal thief with the right tools and knowledge could be able to find enough materials to construct something combined with more traditional explosives that the public would find scary; just the idea that those terrorists/miscreants/ne'erdowells could be in possession of such stuff could keep the world from sleeping at night.
The 5 'symptoms' listed are all pretty common. I would bet you'd be hard pressed to find a household that hasn't had someone with 1 or all of them at some point in any given 12 month period...
It would seem the jury knows a lot more than you about the commonality of these symptoms. They show evidence of more likely than not exposure to environmental hazards, probably from the well out back, and that is the standard that needs to be met to prevail in court.
As for blood pressure issues in 11 year olds... less than 8% of the population, AND it is definitely not within the normal course of life for a person to experience all five of these symptoms simultaneously, together with positive results for toxic chemicals.
There are 60 or so chemical elements found in every person on the planet, almost all of which can be "toxic".
Now you are just trolling. There are plenty of elements found in the body, BUT you are not expected to test positive for even one on tests for chemicals that are taken for health purposes. More than a nanoscale quantity of chemical is more likely than not to be the direct result of exposure to serious environmental hazards.
I have all those symptoms too. Migraine, rashes, nausea, nosebleeds. Who should I sue then?
I don't know. You should visit a medical professional and undergo examination and tests to find the cause of your serious health problems.
I would suggest a law that forbids information to be retrieved from servers for the purposes of satisfying a warrant or supposed legal order that has not been validated by a court within jurisdiction.
The question is: who does have legal jurisdiction on data stored in a given country? The courts of that country, or the courts of the nationality of the company who manages the data storage?
Which doesn't matter. Try the dry ice CO2 experiment to see for yourself.
You need pressure to have a body of CO2 gas form a fluid as well; the little bit of dry ice CO2 would just rapidly dissipate, without the atmospheric pressure.
Pressures of course have a role in a syphon. As liquid is displaced out of the bottom by gravity, the fluid's pressure in the tube will tend to equalize by drawing in more fluid (water or air) at the submerged source side of the tube.
Until such time as the fluid pressure coming into the tube at the destination side is equal to or exceeds the pressure coming into the tube at the source side of the tube, at which point the syphon breaks or reverses.
If you turn off gravity, then you will no longer have a syphon, once the pressures equallize.
Come to think of it... if you turn off gravity, then earth's atmospheric pressure goes to 0.
Any bets on what the award will be after the appeals are done with?
Before or after the company pays a few extra million$ in attorney's fees?
Because of the golden rule: he who has the gold makes the rules.
They have common health problems
Oh really? Which problem are you saying is common? Having 20 toxic chemicals found in your body?
Keep in mind that if any family members develop cancer or some other ailment later in life as a result of the company's irresponsibility, then that will probably be covered under this award as well.
The company should have been required to place at least $10 Million in a trust fund obligated to pay for any future medical bills caused in the future to these people or other people harmed by this or other incidents involving the company's wells.
police have been doing this for years.
Yeah... but they didn't have information about what portion of the energy usage was heat/air conditioning and what portion of the energy usage was 'other stuff'
If they can get that information, then they can more efficiently target energy usage for 'other stuff'' and just a search warrant for all properties whose 'other stuff' usage is more than a standard deviation above the mean.
Wouldnt copy/paste layers into a new CAD file or changing the design minimally forego the nonsense?
Then the new CAD file wouldn't be digitally signed.
I think the suggestion is... intellectual property and no-weapons-on-your-printer are so difficult to enforce otherwise, that the corporations and special interests lobby the government to mandate a system where you have to connect to an internet server for approval every time you want to print something.
And if the CAD file is unknown or not digitally signed, then you need to submit it for approval which includes verification that printing it won't be a known patent/copyright infringement or part that can be used as or with a concealable or automated weapon system.
(E.g. Printing a plastic gun = banned. Printing a high capacity magazine for an assault rifle or other 'dangerous' device = banned.
It bears mentioning that atmospheric pressure is created by gravity in the first place. The wall of air above any patch of ground has a mass which gravity gives a weight. The sum of the weight of this mass creates the atmospheric pressure: without gravity, this gaseous atmosphere would spread and disperse into space until pressure was eventually that of the vacuum.
The mechanism of a siphon does rely on fluid pressure to work just not atmospheric pressure. As some liquid pulls out and follows the force of gravity; a suction is created, and water molecules that are adhering follow the flow this creates.
If pressure is reduced by 80%, it stops working at all. See the article for details.
After pressure is reduced by 80%; the substance ceases to be a proper liquid -- in essence, it loses the properties of water.
You can also accomplish this by increasing temperature as well, until the liquid begins to vaporize.
This does not mean that a siphon is something caused by low temperature.
The siphon is something caused by gravity, that relies on some properties of the liquid to work that have some sensitivity to pressure/temp.
For a siphon to work; the liquid needs to have certain properties that water does have. Including surface tension/adhesion, and specifically -- capillary action.
In fact they send me this energy statement saying I'm using 10% more than my neighbors.
And all your neighbors except one probably receive an energy statement saying that they use 10% more than their neighbors.
If you're using 10% more energy than your neighbors because you're growing pot your increased demand is going to be lower than ...
So the next buyer of this information is law enforcement.
On second thought.... they can just wait until the power companies buy the information, and then send them an order to hand over a copy of all the data, for investigative purposes.
The Islands depend on US aid so this is biting the hand that feeds them.
However... the US respects the law and the treaties they sign.
If there is a legal dispute and they want to take the US to court, then let them take the US to court.
As for whether the US government will abide by any ruling of the court... probably not, due to lack of jurisdiction.