Considering that the only thing that really set XBox and PS3 apart to begin with where the OtherOS option in PS3, i didn't chose PS3 over a Computer, I chose the ps3 over its competitor. which i (and many others) wouldn't have if they couldn't use the OtherOS function.
But he didn't stop there, did he? He made his work available to the public.
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using your car analogy, you have a new type of Toyota with an engine held in by a "security bolt". all hots did is GIVE AWAY the DESIGN of a socket that would fit on the "security bolt". some people then used this to remove the engine in the Toyota and replace it with something that generates a EMP pulse that disables cars within 2 miles.
technically (as proven in court OVER AND OVER again) Hotz did nothing Illegal. So why does he have a permanent injunction on him now? Sony should be drawn and quartered for unethical use of the legal system to harass, and yet Hotz is the one who is treated like he had done something wrong.
A photograph has a value, just a lot lower than what you think it is. The value of the item is not in how much someone thinks its worth or how much it cost them to produce, but how much someone is willing to pay. if a newspaper pays you $1000 for your photo it will be because they couldn't get a similar photograph cheaper elsewhere, not because they feel they owe you for $1000 worth of your picture.
If no-one is to be paid for their photography, who will be around to take photos?
i have a problem with this logic
the assumption is that if we do away with copyright, then no one will be willing to pay someone money to do a job that requires skill / creative talent.
but I'm not sure if you realized you just proved why you would still have a job.
Oh, yeah, every Tom, Dick and Harry with a cell phone, right! Yeah, those will be some quality photos.
. people will still pay for high quality photographers to take high quality pictures, you just wont be able to make as much money from once off work by ad hearing to artificial scarcity.
now don't get me wrong, i certainly don't blame you for wanting to receive money that the legal system defines as owed to you, you're just playing the game. I am to, if i make something that gets copyrighted, I'd use the law to make sure i get as much money as possible, i need to eat too. But I still think that artificial scarcity is just going to hurt the industry in the long run, especially when trying to compete against countries that won't play the same game you are and ignore any "rules" you set up to play by.
You only end up hurt your own countrymen, although time and time again America has shown that its quite willing to hurt its own people for an abscure moral / political motive (war against drugs, war against air travel, etc. )
So they would require an additional warrant to investigate additional email addresses for emails older than 6 months? if someone had a PO box and a residential post box, does the law require 2 warrants to search each of the post boxes? the legal requirement should match this.
However I disagree with the consideration that emails on a web server that are 6 months old on are abandoned.. i have 6 year old emails on the web that i still refer to occasionally, with a push to the more efficient cloud computing its important to recognize this, a web based email account should be considered the same as a PO box as far as privacy is concerned.
Your right I guess its lucky that conditions like "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savant_syndrome" exist then and match your analogy perfectly. fortunately for the hive mind its the people that actually make a difference that get all the media attention,
that's like saying "Americans aren't military experts". mostly true, however it only takes a couple of military experts to lead the masses to cause some serious harm.
If people dont like the company attitude then they will let them know through their purchases.
, because "companies" that engage in unethical behaviour are very informative to the public about said behaviour.
using your nazi analogy, this is along the same lines of "if hitler was so bad, why didn't the Jews just leave?" of course this is a poor analogy, but so is equating commercial espionage performed by political activists to the genocide of millions of people.
I'm of 2 minds over this subject, on one hand, i can hardly consider vigilantism appropriate. but as someone who was burnt by sony, i feel a personal justification of "serves them right".
on the other hand though, this is bringing a lot more attention the case, which is exactly what is needed for the "free market" to do its job properly. Even if its being gone about the wrong way, the attention of the masses to the court case and the nasty tactics that are being employed by sony is really important.
It would also be much more obvious which boss has a pole stuck up his arse too. i would think that slimy salesmen would become a health problem though.
DriedClexler, I Invite you to send whatever combination of 1's and 0's you feel like to my bank account. i won't press charges if you some how magically guess all the required information to do any sort of damage.
I wouldn't tell you my personal credentials without making a verbal (at least) agreement on what you can and can't do with the 1's and 0's on my banks computer that represents values important to me. if you break that agreement, you've committed fraud and thats been illegal well and truly before computers were thought of, the 1's and 0's have very little to do with it, i would have the same problems physically giving you my credit card to make a purchase without going anywhere near a computer.
and even if you did have that information. you could just go through a proxy and be anonymous anyway, with no fear of repercussion from the law and steal all the money you can get your hands on. I AM NO SAFER by trying to legislate against what combination of 1's and 0's you can or can't throw around or have available.
windows 7 has issues you would need to google to find the answer too as well, how is that any different to the common sound card issue that desktop users experience? sure, the sound software could be more intuitive, but so could Windows 7 control panel.
all in all, "$0" is much better than "$n" when the products are comparable. also if you don't know how to install / configure drivers, what are you doing installing an operating system in the first place. just be happy with the OS you get from your pre-packaged device?
sounds fair, its not like me telling you not to is protecting me anyway is it? and if my bank has an open telecom connection that could be abused, then the problem lies with the bank, not you.
if i have 1 dollar in my wallet, I'd give it away for the said app, I'd pay more for a cup of coffee. however if i have to hand over my credit card details for that 1 dollar worth of product, with all the inherent risks associated, then that's a different kettle of fish.
It's riskier for me to hand over my private information online rather than to just download it for free anonymously.
also, don't tell me what i can and can't do with my 1s and 0s. I don't owe you anything for matching my 1s and 0s to your 1s and 0s.
No, I'm just equating correct grammar doesn't mean intelligence. and people like him "who over react to a non event" re-enforce that idea. This implies that he doesn't have intelligence based on the example demonstrated through his actions. but it certainly doesn't equate to it.
In conclusion, No, you're stupid. Nice try though, you almost had me.
"If you want to get yours, get it. But don't cry about wanting mine because you couldn't be bothered to get yours."
actually, it should be "I'll take what i can at the expense of everyone else, but not give back when the time comes to return the favor". your not in your position under your own merits regardless of how important you think you are, you are only in your position based on a society that supports it, why not give back to the society that helped you into a position of independence by giving back and enabling others to achieve the same goal. regardless of how "fiscally stupid" you think other people are, a $15k boat is not going to make that much difference to a retirement fund, and yet if everyone purchased that boat then financially more people would be much better off due to increase in jobs etc.
just re-enforces the "correct spelling / grammar != intelligence" argument. how could anyone over the age of 2 consider this an appropriate response to an "almost" accidental "bump".
someone has issues and its not the girl.
The part where your just making things up without understanding how physics works.
horsepower is work, and torque is force, the other word for work is "power". and yes, horsepower is what engines create. they create a twisting force(torque) at a particular rate(rpm), which equates to power. the faster the engine spins the more you can gear the rotation down to produce a higher amount of torque at the wheels at a particular speed.
technical example:
your cars engine puts out 10nm of torque at 10rpm, with a gear at 1:1 that means that the rear wheels would be putting down 10nm of torque at 10rpm as well.
however, if my car puts down 5nm of torque at 40rpm, with a gear ratio of 4:1, the rear wheels would be putting down 20nm of torque at 10rpm. you can't get the same amount of performance out of the higher torque engine without sacrificing speed.
your computer analogy doesn't work, better to use something like ohms law for a more accurate representation.
eg, you have 2 lightbulbs, both rated at 100watt of light output (same unit engines are mesured in), in my country i have 240v mains power, and in yours you would have 120v. this means that to produce 100watts of power, your lightbulb has to pass through twice as many amps to get the same wattage output as mine.
conversly my car would need to rev twice as fast with half the power to produce the same amount of "work" or forward acceleration.
If you can't get your head around that, accept the fact that the camry engine puts out 257 lbft anyway, so even if it was all down to "torque" i'm still right.
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Considering that the only thing that really set XBox and PS3 apart to begin with where the OtherOS option in PS3, i didn't chose PS3 over a Computer, I chose the ps3 over its competitor. which i (and many others) wouldn't have if they couldn't use the OtherOS function.
But he didn't stop there, did he? He made his work available to the public.
. using your car analogy, you have a new type of Toyota with an engine held in by a "security bolt". all hots did is GIVE AWAY the DESIGN of a socket that would fit on the "security bolt". some people then used this to remove the engine in the Toyota and replace it with something that generates a EMP pulse that disables cars within 2 miles.
technically (as proven in court OVER AND OVER again) Hotz did nothing Illegal. So why does he have a permanent injunction on him now? Sony should be drawn and quartered for unethical use of the legal system to harass, and yet Hotz is the one who is treated like he had done something wrong.
If no-one is to be paid for their photography, who will be around to take photos?
i have a problem with this logic
the assumption is that if we do away with copyright, then no one will be willing to pay someone money to do a job that requires skill / creative talent.
but I'm not sure if you realized you just proved why you would still have a job.
Oh, yeah, every Tom, Dick and Harry with a cell phone, right! Yeah, those will be some quality photos.
. people will still pay for high quality photographers to take high quality pictures, you just wont be able to make as much money from once off work by ad hearing to artificial scarcity.
now don't get me wrong, i certainly don't blame you for wanting to receive money that the legal system defines as owed to you, you're just playing the game. I am to, if i make something that gets copyrighted, I'd use the law to make sure i get as much money as possible, i need to eat too. But I still think that artificial scarcity is just going to hurt the industry in the long run, especially when trying to compete against countries that won't play the same game you are and ignore any "rules" you set up to play by.
You only end up hurt your own countrymen, although time and time again America has shown that its quite willing to hurt its own people for an abscure moral / political motive (war against drugs, war against air travel, etc. )
Its sad that i only got this joke a couple of weeks ago?
"to get to the other side" - also meaning death... it's so obvious now.
nuclear fallout would render the factories un-inhabitable. the walls might stand but no man will step inside for the next 100 years.
So they would require an additional warrant to investigate additional email addresses for emails older than 6 months? if someone had a PO box and a residential post box, does the law require 2 warrants to search each of the post boxes? the legal requirement should match this.
However I disagree with the consideration that emails on a web server that are 6 months old on are abandoned.. i have 6 year old emails on the web that i still refer to occasionally, with a push to the more efficient cloud computing its important to recognize this, a web based email account should be considered the same as a PO box as far as privacy is concerned.
Your right I guess its lucky that conditions like "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savant_syndrome" exist then and match your analogy perfectly. fortunately for the hive mind its the people that actually make a difference that get all the media attention,
that's like saying "Americans aren't military experts". mostly true, however it only takes a couple of military experts to lead the masses to cause some serious harm.
If people dont like the company attitude then they will let them know through their purchases.
, because "companies" that engage in unethical behaviour are very informative to the public about said behaviour.
using your nazi analogy, this is along the same lines of "if hitler was so bad, why didn't the Jews just leave?" of course this is a poor analogy, but so is equating commercial espionage performed by political activists to the genocide of millions of people.
the hive mind is a magical thing.
I'm of 2 minds over this subject, on one hand, i can hardly consider vigilantism appropriate. but as someone who was burnt by sony, i feel a personal justification of "serves them right".
on the other hand though, this is bringing a lot more attention the case, which is exactly what is needed for the "free market" to do its job properly. Even if its being gone about the wrong way, the attention of the masses to the court case and the nasty tactics that are being employed by sony is really important.
suggesting that simply the existence of problems with an OS implies unsuitability to the masses.
my point is that even if Ubuntu has issues, its not like the competitor doesn't have issues either.
re-reading the thread i think i was suppose to make this suggestion under a different parent though.
It would also be much more obvious which boss has a pole stuck up his arse too. i would think that slimy salesmen would become a health problem though.
i wonder if this is how people reacted when planes started taking to the skies.
DriedClexler, I Invite you to send whatever combination of 1's and 0's you feel like to my bank account. i won't press charges if you some how magically guess all the required information to do any sort of damage.
I wouldn't tell you my personal credentials without making a verbal (at least) agreement on what you can and can't do with the 1's and 0's on my banks computer that represents values important to me. if you break that agreement, you've committed fraud and thats been illegal well and truly before computers were thought of, the 1's and 0's have very little to do with it, i would have the same problems physically giving you my credit card to make a purchase without going anywhere near a computer.
and even if you did have that information. you could just go through a proxy and be anonymous anyway, with no fear of repercussion from the law and steal all the money you can get your hands on. I AM NO SAFER by trying to legislate against what combination of 1's and 0's you can or can't throw around or have available.
windows 7 has issues you would need to google to find the answer too as well, how is that any different to the common sound card issue that desktop users experience? sure, the sound software could be more intuitive, but so could Windows 7 control panel. all in all, "$0" is much better than "$n" when the products are comparable. also if you don't know how to install / configure drivers, what are you doing installing an operating system in the first place. just be happy with the OS you get from your pre-packaged device?
sounds fair, its not like me telling you not to is protecting me anyway is it? and if my bank has an open telecom connection that could be abused, then the problem lies with the bank, not you.
but that's stealing and not copyright infringement, 2 different issues that the media are desperate to try and link but the link is just not there.
is all your music purchased then? or do you only listen to 12 songs a year?
Who will then sue anyone that dares copy *their* product in return, of course.
do you have an example? i just find this specifically hard to believe, but also quite likely that a larger corporation did this inadvertently?
if i have 1 dollar in my wallet, I'd give it away for the said app, I'd pay more for a cup of coffee. however if i have to hand over my credit card details for that 1 dollar worth of product, with all the inherent risks associated, then that's a different kettle of fish.
It's riskier for me to hand over my private information online rather than to just download it for free anonymously.
also, don't tell me what i can and can't do with my 1s and 0s. I don't owe you anything for matching my 1s and 0s to your 1s and 0s.
No, I'm just equating correct grammar doesn't mean intelligence. and people like him "who over react to a non event" re-enforce that idea. This implies that he doesn't have intelligence based on the example demonstrated through his actions. but it certainly doesn't equate to it. In conclusion, No, you're stupid. Nice try though, you almost had me.
"If you want to get yours, get it. But don't cry about wanting mine because you couldn't be bothered to get yours."
actually, it should be "I'll take what i can at the expense of everyone else, but not give back when the time comes to return the favor". your not in your position under your own merits regardless of how important you think you are, you are only in your position based on a society that supports it, why not give back to the society that helped you into a position of independence by giving back and enabling others to achieve the same goal. regardless of how "fiscally stupid" you think other people are, a $15k boat is not going to make that much difference to a retirement fund, and yet if everyone purchased that boat then financially more people would be much better off due to increase in jobs etc.
just re-enforces the "correct spelling / grammar != intelligence" argument. how could anyone over the age of 2 consider this an appropriate response to an "almost" accidental "bump". someone has issues and its not the girl.
in a different country.
The part where your just making things up without understanding how physics works.
horsepower is work, and torque is force, the other word for work is "power". and yes, horsepower is what engines create. they create a twisting force(torque) at a particular rate(rpm), which equates to power. the faster the engine spins the more you can gear the rotation down to produce a higher amount of torque at the wheels at a particular speed.
technical example:
your cars engine puts out 10nm of torque at 10rpm, with a gear at 1:1 that means that the rear wheels would be putting down 10nm of torque at 10rpm as well. however, if my car puts down 5nm of torque at 40rpm, with a gear ratio of 4:1, the rear wheels would be putting down 20nm of torque at 10rpm. you can't get the same amount of performance out of the higher torque engine without sacrificing speed.
your computer analogy doesn't work, better to use something like ohms law for a more accurate representation.
eg, you have 2 lightbulbs, both rated at 100watt of light output (same unit engines are mesured in), in my country i have 240v mains power, and in yours you would have 120v. this means that to produce 100watts of power, your lightbulb has to pass through twice as many amps to get the same wattage output as mine.
conversly my car would need to rev twice as fast with half the power to produce the same amount of "work" or forward acceleration.
If you can't get your head around that, accept the fact that the camry engine puts out 257 lbft anyway, so even if it was all down to "torque" i'm still right.