You're making this sound like an economic stimulus package.
Plenty of companies have completely misguided business models. Plenty of PHBs get in the way of progress. That doesn't mean that we throw them in jail.
How much time did Martha Stewart get? She willfully damaged a few people's pocketbooks.
Robbing a bank is a bit of a different story. You probably wouldn't get far in a robbery without a weapon. Armed robbery is a violent crime. You willfully intimidate and victimize patrons. It's a far cry from what's going on here.
Interestingly, also, if you sieze all of the assets that the spammer accrued via his spamming business, and put a hefty fine on spamming, spamming is no longer economically viable.
Judging by your UID, you are not new here... but let me tell you how times have changed. Microsoft now advertises on Slashdot!
Yes my friend. The distribution of Linux users on this site is swiftly declining. As Slashdot becomes more mainstream, you can expect to see this trend continue.
When you speed, you actually could endanger people's lives, but nothing much happens about it.
The tobacco industry kills people every day (and overseas, gives cigarettes out to children in countries whose laws don't prohibit such things). Nobody is tossing their CEOs in prison for a few years.
Arguing that this guy should be in prison for a decade is like saying we should throw 14 y/o script kiddies in prison for DoSing some company's web server. It's absurd.
Now, if the kid DoS'd someone's life support system, or a plane's navigation, that would be something... but you should charge it as wreckless endangerment, attempted murder, manslaughter... Not "he went to jail for 40 year's for a DoS attack, and all such attacks should get similar sentencing". That's silly.
Oh, right, for reference, I was on the net back then too.
Ever get onto a chat channel other than IRC?
Sure, people are making the net less useful. That doesn't mean that they should be tossed in jail for it. Being a public nuisance usually gets you a fine and some community service. 9 years in prison... After that sentence, I could have completed my PhD almost twice over. 1/8th of my life would have been spent behind bars. Prison is much worse than you seem to think it is.
Actually, I had a brief conversation with Illiad about it in the comments.
My commentary on the absurd severity of the sentence caused quite a stir. In light of some of the other comments, this is unsurprising. I had merely intended to comment that 9 years is asinine, but in light of other comments made, one can see why people might think differently.
Just for reference to any delusional/. readers. Spam is definately not comparable to rape or murder. If you doubt this, talk to your self about your frustrations over spam, then talk to a rape victim over their frustrations regarding rape.
Now, go look at the grid linked to the link that I posted, and consider, deep down inside, if 9 years is at all appropriate.
If you do, you can go join all of the other groups trying to hammer their point of view down on the populace by making it law.
Given the number of posters who recommended the death penalty for the guy who received 9 years for his contribution to society (spam), I'd say that the persons who participated in this study are not Slashdot readers.
Yeah, I probably shouldn't have taken the time to read all of the links, since I have quite a bit of work to get done, but, nonetheless, it was an entertaing read.
Sure, hacking takes time, but with that spinny thing, if spinning is the way that bytes are encoded, I would imagine that it would take hours to merely type in your password... or was it intended to be more like a combination lock?
IE, sure, hacking takes time, but you still need to effectively interract with the machinery. You don't hack more effectively by typing really slowly. That has nothing to do with it.
I'm working on the DARPA Grand Challenge team at Cornell University. I have 2 cars that drive themselves (shared with the rest of the team), not flawlessly, but I don't have a space ship either. This isn't a 90's idea.
As for wireless, this entire university is covered with wireless access, it's wonderful. Again, certainly survived the 90's.
As for the robots, I mentioned the DARPA lab right? Right, the same lab has a few robots. Interestingly, there is plenty of interesting robotics research. Oh, and DARPA, yeah, they want to fight wars with autonomous robots. That would be wars fought by robots. In 2015. Not 1990.
I have no GPS in my car. I have a Cruzer Micro MP3 companion.
As for a consumer masquerading as an intellectual, I don't wish to compare credentials. I don't want to fight either. Why are you so combatitive? I made a post to be funny, you took it personally and called me an idiot. I wasn't really thinking in terms of "the future" it was more to be funny. Did you notice "where's Planet Hollywood?" Does that sound like a serious post to you?
1) The police patrolled my street constantly. First, they came by because a part of a sign I had put up blew off, and told me that if any more blew off, they would fine me for littering. This was a college town, and there were LOTS of parties, mine was pretty small by relation to most of the ones going on that evening, really only intended for my friends. The police would have been there had there been no noise complaint. The officer that I was friends with stood on the corner near my house for hours at a time looking for people breaking the law. The student union always had uniformed police inside.
2) The kid hit me in the back of the head, knocking me down, I got up and told him I didn't want to fight. The push was to back him off during his second assault.
3) I wrestled for years. It was dumb of him to hit me. I weighed nearly 250 at the time and had I wanted to hurt him, it would have been no trick. It was obvious that I had no intention of hurting him because he was not in the hospital.
4) No and, I shouldn't have bothered mentioning that story.
5) Having just called a couple weeks prior about the death threats, I felt that asking the police to return to my home just didn't make a difference.
6) The school has a number of bars that cater to underage drinkers. We knew that the police would essentially come by, pretend to do something about it, and then leave. We also knew that there were bars that sold cocaine and other drugs. There were rumors that the police were taking payoffs to fabricate evidence against students that the University thought were a problem. To anybody who was in that town, it was obvious that there was major criminal activity being overlooked.
For reference, the DEA and ATF could often be seen taking care of the matters that the local police were not taking care of. You could walk down the street and see people in DEA and ATF jackets. Also, the University has been accused of tampering with police records to make it appear that they have a lower crime rate than they do, so they can report that to potential incoming students.
All of that said, I was worked up the other night when I wrote this, and now, I'd rather just let it drop. I love the school I went to, despite all of its problems, and I'd rather not run it into the ground.
1) I can understand where you would think all of this. 2) No, it was police harassment. If you had lived in that town, you would know that they were crooked.
My party wasn't loud, we didn't have music outside. We had maybe 15 people.
As for the fight, I pushed the guy down to stop him from beating me up. I could just die, but I like life.
The snowboard team was obviously illegal, but there were lots of parties going on.
The police were not going to help me. I knew this based on experience in that town. They were accepting payoffs from bars, and doing all sorts of illegal things. They had accepted payoffs to overlook lots of criminal activities, and the students were endangered by their actions.
The part that isn't such a hot endorsement is that it weighs about 20 lbs once you have all of the accessories you need packed.
It uses a desktop processor (Dell Pentium 4, not the mobile version, the desktop version). Unfortunately, that requires quite a bit of cooling, so it's loaded with heat sinks and has a multitude of fans.
It also gets about 1 hour of battery life from a battery pack that feels like it weighs about 5 lbs, and the AC adapter is about the size and weight of a brick.
For all of that, once you're sitting and typing on it, it is a really nice computer to work with.
Nah, the post before me asked why the women have breasts...
Personally, if I wrote a movie with slime-mold aliens... the female slime mold would form into humanoid form with perfect bodies to welcome their new male overlords.
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You're making this sound like an economic stimulus package.
Plenty of companies have completely misguided business models. Plenty of PHBs get in the way of progress. That doesn't mean that we throw them in jail.
How much time did Martha Stewart get? She willfully damaged a few people's pocketbooks.
Robbing a bank is a bit of a different story. You probably wouldn't get far in a robbery without a weapon. Armed robbery is a violent crime. You willfully intimidate and victimize patrons. It's a far cry from what's going on here.
Interestingly, also, if you sieze all of the assets that the spammer accrued via his spamming business, and put a hefty fine on spamming, spamming is no longer economically viable.
I for one welcome Slashdot's new conservative overlords.
Ahh.
Judging by your UID, you are not new here... but let me tell you how times have changed. Microsoft now advertises on Slashdot!
Yes my friend. The distribution of Linux users on this site is swiftly declining. As Slashdot becomes more mainstream, you can expect to see this trend continue.
He could never pay that.
Judgement needs to be fair.
When you speed, you actually could endanger people's lives, but nothing much happens about it.
The tobacco industry kills people every day (and overseas, gives cigarettes out to children in countries whose laws don't prohibit such things). Nobody is tossing their CEOs in prison for a few years.
Arguing that this guy should be in prison for a decade is like saying we should throw 14 y/o script kiddies in prison for DoSing some company's web server. It's absurd.
Now, if the kid DoS'd someone's life support system, or a plane's navigation, that would be something... but you should charge it as wreckless endangerment, attempted murder, manslaughter... Not "he went to jail for 40 year's for a DoS attack, and all such attacks should get similar sentencing". That's silly.
Pretty sure you got the joke, but for clarification, I get tons of spam regarding my dikky, or diccckkkkyyy, or something along those lines.
I don't know. It that is the case, the sentence should certainly be based on fraud, rahter than spam.
Also, people who are frauds and crackers should go to white-collar resort prison, not federal, pound me in the ass prison.
I think that judges are too severe on cracking as well.
Oh, right, for reference, I was on the net back then too.
Ever get onto a chat channel other than IRC?
Sure, people are making the net less useful. That doesn't mean that they should be tossed in jail for it. Being a public nuisance usually gets you a fine and some community service. 9 years in prison... After that sentence, I could have completed my PhD almost twice over. 1/8th of my life would have been spent behind bars. Prison is much worse than you seem to think it is.
Spam is annoying. Spam makes the Internet less useful.
That's fine. I don't throw other annoying people in shackles. Under that logic, most PHBs would be tossed in prison too (perhaps they should be?).
A fine would be more appropriate.
You didn't need to mention that you didn't RTFA, since it wasn't from a legitimate news source. It was a joke.
;-)
Unless you were replying to the main article, and not your parent
Actually, I had a brief conversation with Illiad about it in the comments.
/. readers. Spam is definately not comparable to rape or murder. If you doubt this, talk to your self about your frustrations over spam, then talk to a rape victim over their frustrations regarding rape.
My commentary on the absurd severity of the sentence caused quite a stir. In light of some of the other comments, this is unsurprising. I had merely intended to comment that 9 years is asinine, but in light of other comments made, one can see why people might think differently.
Just for reference to any delusional
Now, go look at the grid linked to the link that I posted, and consider, deep down inside, if 9 years is at all appropriate.
If you do, you can go join all of the other groups trying to hammer their point of view down on the populace by making it law.
Honestly, I'm quite thankful for spam, for two reasons:
I'll never be shy in the locker room again, and the ladies love me!
Now, if only I could shut that lady who keeps saying mean things about my dikky up, I'd be fine. Personally, I have no idea what her standards are.
Given the number of posters who recommended the death penalty for the guy who received 9 years for his contribution to society (spam), I'd say that the persons who participated in this study are not Slashdot readers.
Or an Ig ;-)
*cough*
...which is part of why I got to go to Cornell, despite not being a legacy :-)
"Grammer" is spelled "grammar".
Yeah, I probably shouldn't have taken the time to read all of the links, since I have quite a bit of work to get done, but, nonetheless, it was an entertaing read.
It was covered by Coast to Coast AM, I believe. If you search their site, I believe that they have a CD of audio from the hole.
If it's the same hole. The sounds were supposedly from "hell".
You're partly right, but then completely wrong.
You should deal with computer threats.
For instance, if someone uses a computer to kill someone, that's murder.
If someone uses a computer to rob a bank, that's robbery.
If someone uses a computer to spam, that's about equivalent to what publisher's clearinghouse does... but they're not sitting in jail.
Sure, hacking takes time, but with that spinny thing, if spinning is the way that bytes are encoded, I would imagine that it would take hours to merely type in your password... or was it intended to be more like a combination lock?
IE, sure, hacking takes time, but you still need to effectively interract with the machinery. You don't hack more effectively by typing really slowly. That has nothing to do with it.
I'm working on the DARPA Grand Challenge team at Cornell University. I have 2 cars that drive themselves (shared with the rest of the team), not flawlessly, but I don't have a space ship either. This isn't a 90's idea.
As for wireless, this entire university is covered with wireless access, it's wonderful. Again, certainly survived the 90's.
As for the robots, I mentioned the DARPA lab right? Right, the same lab has a few robots. Interestingly, there is plenty of interesting robotics research. Oh, and DARPA, yeah, they want to fight wars with autonomous robots. That would be wars fought by robots. In 2015. Not 1990.
I have no GPS in my car. I have a Cruzer Micro MP3 companion.
As for a consumer masquerading as an intellectual, I don't wish to compare credentials. I don't want to fight either. Why are you so combatitive? I made a post to be funny, you took it personally and called me an idiot. I wasn't really thinking in terms of "the future" it was more to be funny. Did you notice "where's Planet Hollywood?" Does that sound like a serious post to you?
Thanks for running me into the ground.
1) The police patrolled my street constantly. First, they came by because a part of a sign I had put up blew off, and told me that if any more blew off, they would fine me for littering. This was a college town, and there were LOTS of parties, mine was pretty small by relation to most of the ones going on that evening, really only intended for my friends. The police would have been there had there been no noise complaint. The officer that I was friends with stood on the corner near my house for hours at a time looking for people breaking the law. The student union always had uniformed police inside.
2) The kid hit me in the back of the head, knocking me down, I got up and told him I didn't want to fight. The push was to back him off during his second assault.
3) I wrestled for years. It was dumb of him to hit me. I weighed nearly 250 at the time and had I wanted to hurt him, it would have been no trick. It was obvious that I had no intention of hurting him because he was not in the hospital.
4) No and, I shouldn't have bothered mentioning that story.
5) Having just called a couple weeks prior about the death threats, I felt that asking the police to return to my home just didn't make a difference.
6) The school has a number of bars that cater to underage drinkers. We knew that the police would essentially come by, pretend to do something about it, and then leave. We also knew that there were bars that sold cocaine and other drugs. There were rumors that the police were taking payoffs to fabricate evidence against students that the University thought were a problem. To anybody who was in that town, it was obvious that there was major criminal activity being overlooked.
For reference, the DEA and ATF could often be seen taking care of the matters that the local police were not taking care of. You could walk down the street and see people in DEA and ATF jackets. Also, the University has been accused of tampering with police records to make it appear that they have a lower crime rate than they do, so they can report that to potential incoming students.
All of that said, I was worked up the other night when I wrote this, and now, I'd rather just let it drop. I love the school I went to, despite all of its problems, and I'd rather not run it into the ground.
1) I can understand where you would think all of this.
2) No, it was police harassment. If you had lived in that town, you would know that they were crooked.
My party wasn't loud, we didn't have music outside. We had maybe 15 people.
As for the fight, I pushed the guy down to stop him from beating me up. I could just die, but I like life.
The snowboard team was obviously illegal, but there were lots of parties going on.
The police were not going to help me. I knew this based on experience in that town. They were accepting payoffs from bars, and doing all sorts of illegal things. They had accepted payoffs to overlook lots of criminal activities, and the students were endangered by their actions.
The part that isn't such a hot endorsement is that it weighs about 20 lbs once you have all of the accessories you need packed.
It uses a desktop processor (Dell Pentium 4, not the mobile version, the desktop version). Unfortunately, that requires quite a bit of cooling, so it's loaded with heat sinks and has a multitude of fans.
It also gets about 1 hour of battery life from a battery pack that feels like it weighs about 5 lbs, and the AC adapter is about the size and weight of a brick.
For all of that, once you're sitting and typing on it, it is a really nice computer to work with.
Nah, the post before me asked why the women have breasts...
Personally, if I wrote a movie with slime-mold aliens... the female slime mold would form into humanoid form with perfect bodies to welcome their new male overlords.
Oh, right, it's in the past.