i never coded on circlemud codebases (i always played, heh go fig) but every admin i've ever seen who has always said it was the worst kind of spaghetti. i'm not sure if it was that way 'out of the box', or after they had mucked it up...;)
ok, i haven't read the articles so [flame suit="on"], but seriously...
1. tv sets and video playback equipment is not an 'investment'. you don't sell it years later and make money on it (as always there are exceptions that prove the rule.)
2. this is just my (somewhat (un?)informed) opinion, but hdtv doesn't seem like it's really ready. i'm sure i'll get flamed for that, but i just don't know alot of people who have them, and they don't seem to be selling like hotcakes.
3. i'm just a poor college student, so it's not like i have the cash to buy one (hdtv set) anyway, but i wouldn't (won't?) even consider it while all these arguments over control are going on. RIAA, MPAA, DVD's, HDTV, blah blah blah... there is a lot of fighting over control which will translate into money vs freedom, and who wants to get caught in the crossfire? i dunno 'bout you, but i'm waiting to see who wins and THEN i'll worry about to buy.
4. lots of freedom issues... why give them money to take more of your money AND your freedom away from you, etc. important things to consider.
anyway, i've really wandered off the beaten track here, so here i finish. flame away.
they probably like that kind of sloppy reporting -- if you don't read anywhere else and don't pay attention then you probably think they're great cause they've got the latest, and if they're proven wrong or incorrect in their report they can always say 'well actually we're just reporting on what somebody else said, so it's really THEIR error.'
oh i fully agree with you; there are two sides to the issue. sysadmins and netops ppl don't always know what the hell they're doing either, and can cause great pain for the poor TS monkeys who have to answer the phones when it happens. netops can screw things up royally with just *slightly* wrong configs on things like routers, making TS's life hell. (there were other stories above with events similar to this.)
in closing, i realize that i may have come off as sounding like i thought all TS'ers were id10t's, but that's not what i meant at all. i merely meant to make the point that it is entirely understandable why the two groups might not always get along.
someone's deluded, and i think it's probably you. not that i disagree with your first two statements (in fact i agree wholeheartedly with them), but your last statement is just as 'deluded' as you accuse others of being. private companies have as poor a track record of honoring privacy and civil rights as any government agency that you can think of.
"NOC and Tech Support typically do not get along. "
heh. probably because NOC ppl begin to associate stupid problems and stupid users with TS ppl (who may be stupid people themselves), and TS ppl not only resent that association (they hate the users themselves), but begin to associate NOC ppl with causing the problems that make them (the TS ppl) have to answer calls from id10t's all day. a vicious cycle.
i think the phrasing in (2) above is slightly incorrect. instead of "meant to isolate the user from network operations", i believe a more accurate phrase would be "meant to isolate network operations from the users". let's face it, netops people don't want to talk to joe sixpack (as many here put it), even if he is clueful; they've more likely than not been in the tech support pits, and moved to netops to claw their way OUT of it. talking to joe sixpack is like diving back into the pits, it's anathema.
reminds me of a guy i worked for who told me he used to be an engineer at motorola or something up in dallas... his team found a way to make some feature on cell phones speed up by 1/10 of a second or something like that. saves billions of dollars for the megacorp, but what does it do for the engineers? not much.
hell, a matrix movie with jet li AND michelle yeoh with choreography by yeun woo ping would be worth seeing. but we'll probably get keanu and john woo instead. too bad.
you don't have to endorse it. you just have to prepare them for it, and find a way to teach them to reach conclusions that you as a parent find palatable.
translation: microsoft has a better deal with tax writeoffs for its miscellaneous bullshit over here in the states with our fucked up tax codes, but wouldn't have such an easy time hiding crap over in.au, so they're complaining but hiding it in cute lawyer words.
...and the public/private relationship that they refer to is them fucking the public up the ass.
pretty soon we'll see fancy new cases that you can set your monitor on! conserve desk space and improve ergonomics by raising your monitor to eye-level! of course, our 19" and 21" monitors will probably crush the poor things, but hey.
actually morpheus was the one who said 'no one knows who started it', by which i took to mean 'no *human* knows who started it' -- i left open the possibility that the machines still remembered, but that the humans had simply forgotten.
have you ever considered building your own machines instead of purchasing prebuilts with os's on them? the points i can see being brought up as argument against that would be time/convenience, but it's really not that hard. i worked for a company building computers, and you can build 100 identical computers in a few days with 2-3 people working on it. it's just assembly-line production, and with all-new components, defective parts are relatively easily identified and replaced.
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"throw off the yoke of our profit-driven, capitalist opressors."
damn, now we're going to get a big 'i told you so' from all the 3rd-world terrorists who've been saying shit like this about america for years.
eudas
i never coded on circlemud codebases (i always played, heh go fig) but every admin i've ever seen who has always said it was the worst kind of spaghetti. i'm not sure if it was that way 'out of the box', or after they had mucked it up... ;)
eudas
ok, i haven't read the articles so [flame suit="on"], but seriously...
1. tv sets and video playback equipment is not an 'investment'. you don't sell it years later and make money on it (as always there are exceptions that prove the rule.)
2. this is just my (somewhat (un?)informed) opinion, but hdtv doesn't seem like it's really ready. i'm sure i'll get flamed for that, but i just don't know alot of people who have them, and they don't seem to be selling like hotcakes.
3. i'm just a poor college student, so it's not like i have the cash to buy one (hdtv set) anyway, but i wouldn't (won't?) even consider it while all these arguments over control are going on. RIAA, MPAA, DVD's, HDTV, blah blah blah... there is a lot of fighting over control which will translate into money vs freedom, and who wants to get caught in the crossfire? i dunno 'bout you, but i'm waiting to see who wins and THEN i'll worry about to buy.
4. lots of freedom issues... why give them money to take more of your money AND your freedom away from you, etc. important things to consider.
anyway, i've really wandered off the beaten track here, so here i finish. flame away.
eudas
they probably like that kind of sloppy reporting -- if you don't read anywhere else and don't pay attention then you probably think they're great cause they've got the latest, and if they're proven wrong or incorrect in their report they can always say 'well actually we're just reporting on what somebody else said, so it's really THEIR error.'
eudas
plus, as a bonus, you could learn to read braille. ;)
eudas
boggle
eudas
oh i fully agree with you; there are two sides to the issue. sysadmins and netops ppl don't always know what the hell they're doing either, and can cause great pain for the poor TS monkeys who have to answer the phones when it happens. netops can screw things up royally with just *slightly* wrong configs on things like routers, making TS's life hell. (there were other stories above with events similar to this.)
in closing, i realize that i may have come off as sounding like i thought all TS'ers were id10t's, but that's not what i meant at all. i merely meant to make the point that it is entirely understandable why the two groups might not always get along.
eudas
someone's deluded, and i think it's probably you. not that i disagree with your first two statements (in fact i agree wholeheartedly with them), but your last statement is just as 'deluded' as you accuse others of being. private companies have as poor a track record of honoring privacy and civil rights as any government agency that you can think of.
eudas
"NOC and Tech Support typically do not get along. "
heh. probably because NOC ppl begin to associate stupid problems and stupid users with TS ppl (who may be stupid people themselves), and TS ppl not only resent that association (they hate the users themselves), but begin to associate NOC ppl with causing the problems that make them (the TS ppl) have to answer calls from id10t's all day. a vicious cycle.
eudas
i think the phrasing in (2) above is slightly incorrect. instead of "meant to isolate the user from network operations", i believe a more accurate phrase would be "meant to isolate network operations from the users". let's face it, netops people don't want to talk to joe sixpack (as many here put it), even if he is clueful; they've more likely than not been in the tech support pits, and moved to netops to claw their way OUT of it. talking to joe sixpack is like diving back into the pits, it's anathema.
eudas
reminds me of a guy i worked for who told me he used to be an engineer at motorola or something up in dallas... his team found a way to make some feature on cell phones speed up by 1/10 of a second or something like that. saves billions of dollars for the megacorp, but what does it do for the engineers? not much.
eudas
hell, a matrix movie with jet li AND michelle yeoh with choreography by yeun woo ping would be worth seeing. but we'll probably get keanu and john woo instead. too bad.
eudas
you don't have to endorse it. you just have to prepare them for it, and find a way to teach them to reach conclusions that you as a parent find palatable.
eudas
"Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead." -- Benjamin Franklin
eudas
what is 'hot-desking'?
eudas
translation: microsoft has a better deal with tax writeoffs for its miscellaneous bullshit over here in the states with our fucked up tax codes, but wouldn't have such an easy time hiding crap over in .au, so they're complaining but hiding it in cute lawyer words.
...and the public/private relationship that they refer to is them fucking the public up the ass.
eudas
pretty soon we'll see fancy new cases that you can set your monitor on! conserve desk space and improve ergonomics by raising your monitor to eye-level! of course, our 19" and 21" monitors will probably crush the poor things, but hey.
eudas
that would probably go against the first law of robotics. ;)
eudas
actually morpheus was the one who said 'no one knows who started it', by which i took to mean 'no *human* knows who started it' -- i left open the possibility that the machines still remembered, but that the humans had simply forgotten.
*shrug*
eudas
the winning team shall be the first team that wins...
eudas
you could put it with one of the pictures found on stileproject's "linux loving sluts" picture gallery, as well. ;)
here's a url:
http://www.stileproject.com/lls.html
eudas
you forgot:
stole scandisk from norton utilities 'ndd'
stole defrag from norton utilities 'speedisk'
stole doublespace from stacker
eudas
have you ever considered building your own machines instead of purchasing prebuilts with os's on them? the points i can see being brought up as argument against that would be time/convenience, but it's really not that hard. i worked for a company building computers, and you can build 100 identical computers in a few days with 2-3 people working on it. it's just assembly-line production, and with all-new components, defective parts are relatively easily identified and replaced.
*shrug*
eudas
hmm. GUN. GNU. any relation?
eudas
given that backwoods rednecks will at that point be the future of humanity, i think it's time to move to NC. ;)
eudas