I'm serious, if we could pull off a system like that, the rest of the ISPs out there would have to take notice when 1/2 of their broadband client's switch over.
There are a ton of people in the CIS/CS programs at my school who are only there because they want the money. However, upon working with them, they're useless. Completely and totally useless.
People seem to figure that if they have the piece of paper, people will just give them money. If you aren't in this for the love of it, then get the hell out now.
I took a couple years of CIS, and then found a great job coding, and now I've moved on to Net Admin for a while (it's a nice break) and should be back coding in a few months.
Sure, I'm making decent cash, but that's just a bonus. I'd be doing this stuff even if I wasn't getting paid (indeed I do do this stuff in my free time, and for friends, and what have you).
actually use MS Office anyway? I mean really, people? I'm sure a lot of people in here are into Linux / open source just cause its 1337 or whatever and *gasp* use windows like 90% of the time.
But for those of us who actually do the Linux/BSD/open source thing because we understand and believe in it, does Microsoft screwing over the rest of the world matter to us? I personally don't really care how they charge for their software, I still don't use it, and I probably never will go back to windows or other Microsoft products.
I'm not trying to start a holy war or anything here people, but it's time to stop bashing Microsft simply because they're evil, or all tohse cool 1337 h4x0rs on the internet do it.
We need to think for ourselves. If MS software does what you want it to do, and you're happy with it, you're gonna pay however they want you to pay, and you'll be happy. On the other hand, if believe in OSS for more than just the h4x0r factor, who cares about microsft?
...but, the real question is, do I really care if some website knows what size my pants are? Hell, I trust them with my credit card info, why not my pants?
Most other distros should have ISOs available at their websites. It should be a relatively simple thing to grab a different distro's ISOs and install a new system.
Redhat and VA are both public companies, NOT non profit organizations.
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This is a very interesting idea, It certainly needs a lot of work yet, but it it certaily a departure from all the 3dwm's out there.
I'd be interested to see where this goes.
At my university, all the department does is set up one machine with the required setup of (at the moment Quad-boot) OSes and software for that year, image it, and toss the image onto the rest of the machines in that lab. REally not a difficult process.
/. gets like 1.5 million hits a day, and it seems to work pretty damn good all things considered.
You could probably run some sort of tests to figure out where you're having bottlenecks. While it's certainly not impossible for MySQL to be giving you trouble, it really doesn't seem likely, unless you use an older version.
One that I know of which is very good is NetNation.
They've got locations in Vancouver, Sandiego and London. I've got 2 boxes at the Vancouver facility, and used to run off their hosted servers. The service has been great, and the uptime has be perfect.
Hope that'll help.
Up until very very recently, I was one of just 2 full-time coders at the company I work for. There was no manager for our little department, and we basically kept each other in check, making sure that something got done each day.
Sure, we were constantly reprimanded by the higher-ups who figured that all we did was goof off all day, but as soon as we showed them what we'd accomplised already that day, they shut right up.
Our system worked because we each understood how the other thought, and what was involved in a given project.
Cold fusion is NOT a great solution. Sure its easy to code, at least for the basic stuff, but its slow, a memory hog, and not very secure.
There are a number of serious design flaws with Cold Fusion that will make any experienced programmer shudder, stupid things, like not counting from zero, and reliance on javascript and java enabled browsers for certain tags. I havn't tried any of the othere systems being mentioned here, but IMHO, Cold Fusion is NOT a Good Thing.
I strongly recoment one of the the BSD OSes for this task,
particularly FreeBSD or OpenBSD, they're very secure, and very fast. Linux is not as secure out of the box, and will take a bit of doing to make it secure.
In one sense, we are all in this together, I've used both Linux and BSD, and both have strngths and weaknesses. Now, before I continue, let me say that my opinions are based on first hand experience.
BSD is stronger as a server Operating system than linux, it has a more mature TCP/IP stack, and is simply faster.
Linux is a FAR better desktop operating system. It's got more software for it, and there is a seeminly larger group of people developing for it, as well as a lot of commercial support.
As a friend put it: "Linux is the windows of alterative OSs"
Linux does get more attention, has a larger user base, and has some really cool shit that it can do. However, its not always stable (though a hell of a lot more stable that anything M$ has ever come up with.) and not always secure (again, a lot more secure than anythingfrom M$).
Then there's BSD, its not as well known (thanks in no small part to the legal troubles it had some years back). Its secure, stable, and can emulate linux faster than native linux can run! Unfortunately, there isn't as much developer backing for it, so there arent as many desktop apps for it.
Anybody out there who's judging BSD without knowing the facts, is doing exactly what the windows/mac world does to Linux. They don't understand it, of Bill and Steve don't like it, so I must be evil!
This really isn't something to start a holy war over!
I think this is a very interesting idea, and I wouldnt mind tryin it sometime. However, the logistivs / security issues may prove to be too much of a headache for companies to deal with.
I can understand the company's need to protect their IP, however, this would be like M$ sueing the X consortium for supporting 5 button mice or something equally crazy.
however, If I had one of thoses scanners (I coulnd't get one in canada) I would certainly be writting code so I could mess with it in BSD or Linux or whatever the hell else I'm running at the moment.
Its really a waste of time for this company to go after some hacker in a dark basement somewhere (kinda like me) for playing with a nifty piece of hardware. Sure they could go to court and most likely some judge with his head up his ass would rule in their favor, but the code is out tere, and even if they could get all the copies off the net, it would be 10 minutes before somebody else would do the same damn thing.
Its simply a losing battle for a company that most likely in dire need of some funds after giving away a whole lot of hardware.
through my own checking, over the last month or two, a lot of M$ sites are now reporting that they're running IIS5 / Win2k.
Personally, I'm still pretty skeptical about that,
after all its relatively easy to mess aroud with the source for Apache / BSD and make them report as IIS5 and Win2k, especially when you have the army of programmers that M$ does.
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Isn't this old news??
I'm serious, if we could pull off a system like that, the rest of the ISPs out there would have to take notice when 1/2 of their broadband client's switch over.
There are a ton of people in the CIS/CS programs at my school who are only there because they want the money. However, upon working with them, they're useless. Completely and totally useless.
People seem to figure that if they have the piece of paper, people will just give them money. If you aren't in this for the love of it, then get the hell out now.
I took a couple years of CIS, and then found a great job coding, and now I've moved on to Net Admin for a while (it's a nice break) and should be back coding in a few months.
Sure, I'm making decent cash, but that's just a bonus. I'd be doing this stuff even if I wasn't getting paid (indeed I do do this stuff in my free time, and for friends, and what have you).
actually use MS Office anyway? I mean really, people? I'm sure a lot of people in here are into Linux / open source just cause its 1337 or whatever and *gasp* use windows like 90% of the time.
But for those of us who actually do the Linux/BSD/open source thing because we understand and believe in it, does Microsoft screwing over the rest of the world matter to us? I personally don't really care how they charge for their software, I still don't use it, and I probably never will go back to windows or other Microsoft products.
I'm not trying to start a holy war or anything here people, but it's time to stop bashing Microsft simply because they're evil, or all tohse cool 1337 h4x0rs on the internet do it.
We need to think for ourselves. If MS software does what you want it to do, and you're happy with it, you're gonna pay however they want you to pay, and you'll be happy. On the other hand, if believe in OSS for more than just the h4x0r factor, who cares about microsft?
...but, the real question is, do I really care if some website knows what size my pants are? Hell, I trust them with my credit card info, why not my pants?
Most other distros should have ISOs available at their websites. It should be a relatively simple thing to grab a different distro's ISOs and install a new system.
Redhat and VA are both public companies, NOT non profit organizations. while(rant == true) { I really wish people would read the whole story before commenting and making asses of themselves. }
This is a very interesting idea, It certainly needs a lot of work yet, but it it certaily a departure from all the 3dwm's out there. I'd be interested to see where this goes.
At my university, all the department does is set up one machine with the required setup of (at the moment Quad-boot) OSes and software for that year, image it, and toss the image onto the rest of the machines in that lab. REally not a difficult process.
/. gets like 1.5 million hits a day, and it seems to work pretty damn good all things considered. You could probably run some sort of tests to figure out where you're having bottlenecks. While it's certainly not impossible for MySQL to be giving you trouble, it really doesn't seem likely, unless you use an older version.
One that I know of which is very good is NetNation.
They've got locations in Vancouver, Sandiego and London. I've got 2 boxes at the Vancouver facility, and used to run off their hosted servers. The service has been great, and the uptime has be perfect. Hope that'll help.
Up until very very recently, I was one of just 2 full-time coders at the company I work for. There was no manager for our little department, and we basically kept each other in check, making sure that something got done each day. Sure, we were constantly reprimanded by the higher-ups who figured that all we did was goof off all day, but as soon as we showed them what we'd accomplised already that day, they shut right up. Our system worked because we each understood how the other thought, and what was involved in a given project.
Cold fusion is NOT a great solution. Sure its easy to code, at least for the basic stuff, but its slow, a memory hog, and not very secure. There are a number of serious design flaws with Cold Fusion that will make any experienced programmer shudder, stupid things, like not counting from zero, and reliance on javascript and java enabled browsers for certain tags. I havn't tried any of the othere systems being mentioned here, but IMHO, Cold Fusion is NOT a Good Thing.
I strongly recoment one of the the BSD OSes for this task, particularly FreeBSD or OpenBSD, they're very secure, and very fast. Linux is not as secure out of the box, and will take a bit of doing to make it secure.
that sounds way too fammiliar. damn rogers.
Well, for applications, I meant NATIVE applications, not those that can run under the compatibilty layer. sorry if I wasnt clear about that
In one sense, we are all in this together, I've used both Linux and BSD, and both have strngths and weaknesses. Now, before I continue, let me say that my opinions are based on first hand experience.
BSD is stronger as a server Operating system than linux, it has a more mature TCP/IP stack, and is simply faster.
Linux is a FAR better desktop operating system. It's got more software for it, and there is a seeminly larger group of people developing for it, as well as a lot of commercial support.
As a friend put it: "Linux is the windows of alterative OSs"
Linux does get more attention, has a larger user base, and has some really cool shit that it can do. However, its not always stable (though a hell of a lot more stable that anything M$ has ever come up with.) and not always secure (again, a lot more secure than anythingfrom M$).
Then there's BSD, its not as well known (thanks in no small part to the legal troubles it had some years back). Its secure, stable, and can emulate linux faster than native linux can run! Unfortunately, there isn't as much developer backing for it, so there arent as many desktop apps for it.
Anybody out there who's judging BSD without knowing the facts, is doing exactly what the windows/mac world does to Linux. They don't understand it, of Bill and Steve don't like it, so I must be evil!
This really isn't something to start a holy war over!
BSD was originally MADE for the big iron. Think before you type!
I think this is a very interesting idea, and I wouldnt mind tryin it sometime. However, the logistivs / security issues may prove to be too much of a headache for companies to deal with.
I can understand the company's need to protect their IP, however, this would be like M$ sueing the X consortium for supporting 5 button mice or something equally crazy.
however, If I had one of thoses scanners (I coulnd't get one in canada) I would certainly be writting code so I could mess with it in BSD or Linux or whatever the hell else I'm running at the moment.
Its really a waste of time for this company to go after some hacker in a dark basement somewhere (kinda like me) for playing with a nifty piece of hardware. Sure they could go to court and most likely some judge with his head up his ass would rule in their favor, but the code is out tere, and even if they could get all the copies off the net, it would be 10 minutes before somebody else would do the same damn thing.
Its simply a losing battle for a company that most likely in dire need of some funds after giving away a whole lot of hardware.
Because its a cray! and you call yourself a geek...
wow, the trolls are really slacking off this weekend......
We're gonna need some damn good bandwidth, and a pretty decent sized server farm to handle the encoding / encrypting. Very interesting idea though...
no, not a single one is owned by an american company / individual. and Yes, my logic was messed up there. I noticed it after I posted it.
through my own checking, over the last month or two, a lot of M$ sites are now reporting that they're running IIS5 / Win2k.
Personally, I'm still pretty skeptical about that,
after all its relatively easy to mess aroud with the source for Apache / BSD and make them report as IIS5 and Win2k, especially when you have the army of programmers that M$ does.
just my $.02