In the public sector, at least, there are unions that represent IT professionals (including programmers). I'm pretty sure there are some in the private sector as well.
I'm pretty heavily involved with a sister local that represents nurses. You may think that they are in it for their money and to then get out the door, but I know these people personally. They hate the see the employer doing things that hurt patient care, as well as their work environment.
It's easy to throw rocks when you don't actually know anyone that you're throwing them at.
Unions are in place for the same reason at every workplace -- to protect employees and attempt to even out the power balance between employee and employer. There's no difference between the teachers union and the autoworkers union, really... and I'd dispute that anything you've said is true about the autoworkers' union either. I think you've been drinking the media kool-aid.
My dad is a union rep in the teacher's union and the stuff I hear him protecting co-workers from is not stuff that people should have to deal with at work. Sounds like ignorance of unions is where most people here are speaking from.
You're completely ignorant. I'm in a leadership position in a public employees union and no such thing takes place. That's simply not how the process works.
I used to do that, but it's not even obvious all the time what folders the programs want to write to (or might want to write to later when you use some function you tend not to use). Gets to be a bigger and bigger hassle.
But the stupid software you need to run on that platform makes this a problem. Every time I try this, I find there are one or two things that just work stupid if I don't have admin rights.
There's a lot more thunder on the side that wants to keep things as status quo. Look at how clear it is that things are being affected by humans, and yet there is a "debate" -- largely because of oil-backed think tanks.
Thank god we have the average mook on Slashdot or I might have thought this were cause for concern. I guess all of the scientists who have agreed that there are man-made effects on climate are completely incorrect, but this website is the last bastion of sanity?
Something tells me you know virtually nothing about unions, like a majority of the citizens in the US apparently, but still feel perfectly comfortable talking about them.
When flexibility means allowing your employer to fuck up left and right and you being willing to foot the bill, I don't think unions are wrong to be inflexible. You want to make a cut? Cut those which got us into this mess, not employees that show up everyday, don't do their jobs, don't steal anything, etc.
Besides, what are the realities of the situation? I couldn't afford benefits if I suddenly had to pay for them. I consider fighting to keep my benefits very much in tune with the realities.
Something bad would happen to you if you didn't sign the card -- when some bullshit thing like this happened, you'd have no recourse. If they'd all signed union cards, Volt would not have this option.
That's the kind of language that puts you on the same side as the employer, sounds like to me. "Do whatever you want as long as you're not going to take away my job!" No thanks.
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In the public sector, at least, there are unions that represent IT professionals (including programmers). I'm pretty sure there are some in the private sector as well.
More ignorance.
I'm pretty heavily involved with a sister local that represents nurses. You may think that they are in it for their money and to then get out the door, but I know these people personally. They hate the see the employer doing things that hurt patient care, as well as their work environment.
It's easy to throw rocks when you don't actually know anyone that you're throwing them at.
Take it up with, effectively, the same side of the table that fired you. And if they don't give a shit?
Unions are in place for the same reason at every workplace -- to protect employees and attempt to even out the power balance between employee and employer. There's no difference between the teachers union and the autoworkers union, really... and I'd dispute that anything you've said is true about the autoworkers' union either. I think you've been drinking the media kool-aid.
Apparently you never worked a unionized government job or you'd know how incorrect that actually is.
"Impossible to get fired" BTW means that management is too shitty to actually fire anyone. The union has no particular love for this situation either.
Successful at the expense of you, I, our country, mom and pop shops, the environment, and its employees. This is a good thing for some reason?
My dad is a union rep in the teacher's union and the stuff I hear him protecting co-workers from is not stuff that people should have to deal with at work. Sounds like ignorance of unions is where most people here are speaking from.
Here is someone who actually knows what they're talking about.
You're completely ignorant. I'm in a leadership position in a public employees union and no such thing takes place. That's simply not how the process works.
Consumer disks do not cost the same as server disks. You're not really going to find 15,000rpm disks for that price certainly.
I used to do that, but it's not even obvious all the time what folders the programs want to write to (or might want to write to later when you use some function you tend not to use). Gets to be a bigger and bigger hassle.
Thankfully these programs are dying out.
I use it exclusively now. 4.2 is really not bad.
But the stupid software you need to run on that platform makes this a problem. Every time I try this, I find there are one or two things that just work stupid if I don't have admin rights.
Patches typically take longer to install than the OS.
There's a lot more thunder on the side that wants to keep things as status quo. Look at how clear it is that things are being affected by humans, and yet there is a "debate" -- largely because of oil-backed think tanks.
I actually laughed out loud at this one -- way to go! :)
Thank god we have the average mook on Slashdot or I might have thought this were cause for concern. I guess all of the scientists who have agreed that there are man-made effects on climate are completely incorrect, but this website is the last bastion of sanity?
Who goes to chain Italian restaurants anyway?
So then you're generalizing about your experience with one union and painting them all with the same brush. Just as ignorant, in my view.
Something tells me you know virtually nothing about unions, like a majority of the citizens in the US apparently, but still feel perfectly comfortable talking about them.
When flexibility means allowing your employer to fuck up left and right and you being willing to foot the bill, I don't think unions are wrong to be inflexible. You want to make a cut? Cut those which got us into this mess, not employees that show up everyday, don't do their jobs, don't steal anything, etc.
Besides, what are the realities of the situation? I couldn't afford benefits if I suddenly had to pay for them. I consider fighting to keep my benefits very much in tune with the realities.
If all I had was rhetoric and epithets, I guess I'd post anonymously too.
Something bad would happen to you if you didn't sign the card -- when some bullshit thing like this happened, you'd have no recourse. If they'd all signed union cards, Volt would not have this option.
Why are you going after unions, exactly? Is there something wrong with you, or are you just ignorant?
That's the kind of language that puts you on the same side as the employer, sounds like to me. "Do whatever you want as long as you're not going to take away my job!" No thanks.