The only way that this kind of employer theft will ever stop in the USA is if the workers are no longer afraid to report this theft. But the problem is that if they report it, then they may never get another job again.
They depend on not getting a bad recommendation. But if Americans could depend on the state supporting them with years of welfare if such a disaster happened, as is common in the European welfare states, then they would be very quick to report such thefts. Also, if there were not such an oversupply of labor caused by mass corporate immigration, then jobs would be easier to get, and workers would report such thefts more often.
Over here in America, CorpGovMedia has us heading straight for thirdworldization, and all the Republican voters, and most of the Democratic voters , and all of the free-market worshipping Libertarians are just being good little sheeple and going along with it....
Profits are fine. What has happened is that we have allowed our politicians to sell us out to corporate lobbies who wanted more labor supply. They got it through corporate mass immigration, and through outsourcing.
March on DC and hang a few politicos and then things will get better (hang them after a fair trial, of course).
This crap is almost unheard of in the social democracies of European social democracies, e.g., Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Netherlands, etc. They have the attitude that the country belongs to the citizens and that businesses there have to toe the line.
When are Americans going to wake up and realize that capitalism is a TOOL to be used, and NOT a end-all, be-all, or a way of life, or a fuckin' religion?
But like all tools, it must have comprehensive controls and safeguards built in. You wouldn't design a chainsaw without adequate controls and safeguards, would you?
Once the lake is breached, the viruses and other pathogens to which modern man has no immunity will sweep through the world and kill most of humanity and many animals.
I wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
That is SO MUCH crap, you mindles sheeple randroid..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;
Oops! I meant to say "mindlesS"!
Here is the rest of my post: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THere are NEVER more jobs than people. THere never have been. The entire history of the Americas is the story of flooding the supply of labor so that the workers will get less money. Perhaps you have heard of slavery? And all the waves of mass immigration? All about lowering the price of labor.
Hey, moronic Randroid....WE WANT labor prices to be high! That's A GOOD THING, you pre-programmed sheeple. Do you ever hear about business owners complaining that profits are TOO HIGH? Of course not. And our wages ARE our profits.
Outsourcing is just the latest wave in the series of labor-market manipulations by the rich. And it aint great that treasonous little sheeple like you are in it with us all? You are a traitor to your fellow citizen. And if I have MY way, we will get a constitution defining economic treason, and traitors like you will be punished accordingly....
That is SO MUCH crap, you mindles sheeple randroid.....
THere are NEVER more jobs than people. THere never have been. The entire history of the Americas is the story of flooding the supply of labor so that the workers will get less money. Perhaps you have heard of slavery? And all the waves of mass immigration? All about lowering the price of labor.
Hey, moronic Randroid....WE WANT labor prices to be high! That's A GOOD THING, you pre-programmed sheeple. Do you ever hear about business owners complaining that profits are TOO HIGH? Of course not. And our wages ARE our profits.
Outsourcing is just the latest wave in the series of labor-market manipulations by the rich. And it aint great that treasonous little sheeple like you are in it with us all? You are a traitor to your fellow citizen. And if I have MY way, we will get a constitution defining economic treason, and traitors like you will be punished accordingly....
The brand of Oorporate Capitalism that America has evolved is only after low lying fruits--they will only conduct cheap, short-term research that will produce small incremental advances. Then money will be put into marketing to push that small improvement.
THe long-term research needed to go after substantial costs is increasingly being abandoned in favor of going after low lying fruit. No need for the AT&T hard core research, or for Xerox, or Lucent/bell, or for Sun.
Corporate capitalism and financial engineering reign supreme! Cut taxes to the minimum! Celebrate the return of the Gilded Age! No need for tax-funded research, either. THe Invisible Hand will provide for us all.....(just be sure to put your wallet in your front pocket).
Thankfully, the social democracies and their kin will still be doing some actual breakthrough-oriented research.
The 28th Amendment on Economic treason would be aimed at corporate offenders. Consumers would not be liable. Of course, my original post implied that, but I suppose inferring that would require a certain minimum reading comprehension level......
What we need is a constitutional amendment defining economic treason as a high crime. Economic treason might be defined as sending "high value" work to a location where wages are substantially lower than Americans would earn.
First, the human animal is a pack animal that has as a primary motivation the attainment of higher social status, and to reproduce. By attaining such higher social status, individual human animals increase their reproductive opportunities, thus passing on their genes to another generation. Those with the highest social status are best able to reproduce and pass on their genes. Most (if not ALL) of our behavior is based on this motivation, although we almost always ascribe other motivations to our behaviors.
The important thing for you, dear reader, to understand is that ANY differentiation between one human animal and another human animal may serve to increase social status.
In order to illustrate this principle, let us consider a hypothetical society: all work is taxed 99.9999%, andfurthermore, there is only one consumer good: a blue ribbon. This society is capitalistic, and indeed, it is a social democracy: people work for a living, and the very high tax rate enables the state to provide food, housing, medical care, infrastructure, etc.
The only thing that the state does not provide is the blue ribbon. And that is what everyone works for. It can only be purchased at a great price. Once you have the blue ribbon, you have high social status, and thus you have greater reproductive opportunities.
The point is that human animals will work hard as long as there is an opportunity to gain social status, even if the differentiation between themselves and others is small, as long as there IS a differentiation, and as long as that differentiation can only be obtained through working in a capitalist system.
That hypothetical society is what the social democracies of NW Europe are, to a lesser extent.
we could tax 70% or more of Allen's money, which would yield billions. THen we could not only fund interesting science like searching for aliens, but we could also fund science research to cure cancer and heart disease and old age. And wouldn't THAT be nice.
Pull your heads out of your asses, fellow Americans: social democracy and progressive taxation is the way to go, not corporate capitalism and flat rate taxation.....
We are the owners. Everything in this country is managed for OUR benefit, NOT for the maximization of corporate profit. If higher profits are good for Americans, then higher profits are OK. But if higher profits are NOT good for Americans, then they are NOT OK.
Got it, you brainwashed, piece of corporatist-shit sheeple?
You have indeed been indoctrinated well. Just like the teenage kamikaze pilots WW2 and the suicide bombers of Islam, it goes to show you that cultural indoctrination can make humans do things that are clearly against their best interests. And all for the improved social status for the human in question....love your job, indeed!
How about we all cooperate to build adequate shelter and food supply for all Americans/Canadians/whatever, and we can then spend the vast majority of our time pursuing our own interests? Too idealistic for you? No way for you to gain improved social status? Aw, never mind....
So what is so bad about wanting to live forever?
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Sounds like a natural to me! And BTW you can get a cryonics contract for $100/month on the installment plan. See www.alcor.org
cryonics odds are unknown, but logical case good
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No one can say what the odds are. No one has been able to construct a mathematical estimation of the odds, other than saying the probability of success is a product of multiple independent factors (total probability == (prob of no society breakdown)(prob of dying "good death")(prob 1)(prob 2)....
But the logical case for cryonics is actually quite strong. If we agree that the human being (however you define it) is wholly contained in the brain and that hte brain is information, then we can say that in order to acheive revival, that information must be recovered to a certain extent. Well, to WHAT extent? If I code and then decode a book, and lose one word, have I recovered the book? How about if I lose 2 words?
Let me ask you something: if you are in some hypothetical situation where you would lose your life unless you pass through a particular device, and this device functioned so as to remove from you some unknown portion or percentage of your memories and/or other knowledge contained in your brain, would you refuse to go into the device and lose your life, or would you go through, and save your life, but sacrifice that unknown percentage of your memories/knowledge? What if the percentage of lost memories/knowledge were 1%? 2%? 5%? When do YOU become NOT YOU? At what percentage?
So, if we agree then, that even if you lose some relatively small percentage of your memories, then you are still YOU, then it comes down to if and when a sufficient percentage of that information can be recovered from your brain by future science. What does the "sweep of history" tell us about the progression of the ability of science to recover previously unknown information? A good analogy seems to be the science of cryptography. When you code some information, such as a message, it is lost to everyone except the holder of the code. But if the code is broken, the information is recovered. Take a look at the history of cryptography: has there been steady progress in this field?
I would say yes. Every year the boundaries of cryptography are pushed back. So we see a steady progression in increase of capability in that field. But will the science needed to recover the frozen brains progress fast enough to recover the brains before they deteriorate? Most estimates gives the brains more than 10K years before background radiation destroys them (shielding could prolong that period).
So, is 10K years (or even longer) enough to recover a sufficient percentage of that frozen information? At that point in time, where the two graphs intersect (the graph of ability to recover, and the graph of brain viability), recovery occurs.
See www.alcor.org and www.merkle.com for more.
$50K gets you cryonics & possible future revi
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You can sign up with www.Alcor.org for a cryonics contract for only 50K (fundable through life insurance payments) and get a chance at a future revival.
And if revived in the distant future, you can ride in a spaceship and look out the window at all those 100K space caskets roaming around space.
Myself, I prefer a chance at life to a certain death....
Look, you moronic piece of crap: the studies you so proudly hail (but do not bother actually citing) are BOUGHT AND PAID FOR. There is a lot of free trade looting going on, and so there is a lot of incentive to buy rigged studies.
The surveillance cameras in England are the wave of the future that is feared by the rich and powerful here in America. They fear that it may be used against them in the future. Thus, they are paying for media propaganda to stop the cameras.
This all started with letting third worlders into our country at all. We should never have started letting them into our universities. They are our competition. And "our" means the workers of America, not the investors, not the tycoons, and not the CEOs. Giving educational access people from low wage country is a winner for corporations and rich people and a loser for the everyday american.
The battle for our wages and our jobs was lost when we started seeing the same perspective, starting taking the viewpoint of the investor class. How stupid can you be!
What small business owner would let his competitor in on his trade secrets. It's one thing to let people from high wage countries like Western Euros into our country to work or go to school: there is not much of a wage disparity.
BTW, Slashdot's parent company involved in outsourcing. That is why they rarely run outsourcing stories, and why the only stories they run these days are favorable or sympathetic to outsourcing.
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The only way that this kind of employer theft will ever stop in the USA is if the workers are no longer afraid to report this theft. But the problem is that if they report it, then they may never get another job again.
They depend on not getting a bad recommendation. But if Americans could depend on the state supporting them with years of welfare if such a disaster happened, as is common in the European welfare states, then they would be very quick to report such thefts.
Also, if there were not such an oversupply of labor caused by mass corporate immigration, then jobs would be easier to get, and workers would report such thefts more often.
Over here in America, CorpGovMedia has us heading straight for thirdworldization, and all the Republican voters, and most of the Democratic voters , and all of the free-market worshipping Libertarians are just being good little sheeple and going along with it....
Profits are fine. What has happened is that we have allowed our politicians to sell us out to corporate lobbies who wanted more labor supply. They got it through corporate mass immigration, and through outsourcing.
March on DC and hang a few politicos and then things will get better (hang them after a fair trial, of course).
This crap is almost unheard of in the social democracies of European social democracies, e.g., Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Netherlands, etc. They have the attitude that the country belongs to the citizens and that businesses there have to toe the line.
When are Americans going to wake up and realize that capitalism is a TOOL to be used, and NOT a end-all, be-all, or a way of life, or a fuckin' religion?
But like all tools, it must have comprehensive controls and safeguards built in. You wouldn't design a chainsaw without adequate controls and safeguards, would you?
Once the lake is breached, the viruses and other pathogens to which modern man has no immunity will sweep through the world and kill most of humanity and many animals.
Anyone else thinking of heading for the hills?
Seems as if there is not as much need for Developers these days.....
I took it already. Even went went to business school...
We do NOT want high productivity for ourselves. We want high productivity from the people who WORK FOR US. I hope you see the difference!
I wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
That is SO MUCH crap, you mindles sheeple randroid.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;
Oops! I meant to say "mindlesS"!
Here is the rest of my post:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
THere are NEVER more jobs than people. THere never have been. The entire history of the Americas is the story of flooding the supply of labor so that the workers will get less money. Perhaps you have heard of slavery? And all the waves of mass immigration? All about lowering the price of labor.
Hey, moronic Randroid....WE WANT labor prices to be high! That's A GOOD THING, you pre-programmed sheeple. Do you ever hear about business owners complaining that profits are TOO HIGH? Of course not. And our wages ARE our profits.
Outsourcing is just the latest wave in the series of labor-market manipulations by the rich. And it aint great that treasonous little sheeple like you are in it with us all? You are a traitor to your fellow citizen. And if I have MY way, we will get a constitution defining economic treason, and traitors like you will be punished accordingly....
Hey, mods...KARMA TO BURN!
Proposed 28th Constitutional Amendment: Economic Treason (outlaws outsourcing, corporate immigration, etc.)
That is SO MUCH crap, you mindles sheeple randroid.....
THere are NEVER more jobs than people. THere never have been. The entire history of the Americas is the story of flooding the supply of labor so that the workers will get less money. Perhaps you have heard of slavery? And all the waves of mass immigration? All about lowering the price of labor.
Hey, moronic Randroid....WE WANT labor prices to be high! That's A GOOD THING, you pre-programmed sheeple. Do you ever hear about business owners complaining that profits are TOO HIGH? Of course not. And our wages ARE our profits.
Outsourcing is just the latest wave in the series of labor-market manipulations by the rich. And it aint great that treasonous little sheeple like you are in it with us all? You are a traitor to your fellow citizen. And if I have MY way, we will get a constitution defining economic treason, and traitors like you will be punished accordingly....
Hey, mods...KARMA TO BURN!
The brand of Oorporate Capitalism that America has evolved is only after low lying fruits--they will only conduct cheap, short-term research that will produce small incremental advances. Then money will be put into marketing to push that small improvement.
THe long-term research needed to go after substantial costs is increasingly being abandoned in favor of going after low lying fruit. No need for the AT&T hard core research, or for Xerox, or Lucent/bell, or for Sun.
Corporate capitalism and financial engineering reign supreme! Cut taxes to the minimum! Celebrate the return of the Gilded Age! No need for tax-funded research, either. THe Invisible Hand will provide for us all.....(just be sure to put your wallet in your front pocket).
Thankfully, the social democracies and their kin will still be doing some actual breakthrough-oriented research.
The 28th Amendment on Economic treason would be aimed at corporate offenders. Consumers would not be liable. Of course, my original post implied that, but I suppose inferring that would require a certain minimum reading comprehension level......
What we need is a constitutional amendment defining economic treason as a high crime. Economic treason might be defined as sending "high value" work to a location where wages are substantially lower than Americans would earn.
Gee, another Randroid fanboy, and on Slashdot, no less. Who wudda thunk?
Um...yeah, I read that _Atlas_Shrugged_ already....yeeeeears ago. And The_Foundationhead_, too.
And I read Schulman...etc.
And I have read Heinlein...The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, etc., etc....
Here is a suggestion for you: try to expand your literary range a bit....
Have you read Steinbeck?
And some of the best thinkers are writing right now--not every great thinker is from the past. Have you read Chomsky?
You might wanna even come up with some ideas of your OWN!
First, the human animal is a pack animal that has as a primary motivation the attainment of higher social status, and to reproduce. By attaining such higher social status, individual human animals increase their reproductive opportunities, thus passing on their genes to another generation. Those with the highest social status are best able to reproduce and pass on their genes. Most (if not ALL) of our behavior is based on this motivation, although we almost always ascribe other motivations to our behaviors.
The important thing for you, dear reader, to understand is that ANY differentiation between one human animal and another human animal may serve to increase social status.
In order to illustrate this principle, let us consider a hypothetical society: all work is taxed 99.9999%, andfurthermore, there is only one consumer good: a blue ribbon. This society is capitalistic, and indeed, it is a social democracy: people work for a living, and the very high tax rate enables the state to provide food, housing, medical care, infrastructure, etc.
The only thing that the state does not provide is the blue ribbon. And that is what everyone works for. It can only be purchased at a great price. Once you have the blue ribbon, you have high social status, and thus you have greater reproductive opportunities.
The point is that human animals will work hard as long as there is an opportunity to gain social status, even if the differentiation between themselves and others is small, as long as there IS a differentiation, and as long as that differentiation can only be obtained through working in a capitalist system.
That hypothetical society is what the social democracies of NW Europe are, to a lesser extent.
we could tax 70% or more of Allen's money, which would yield billions. THen we could not only fund interesting science like searching for aliens, but we could also fund science research to cure cancer and heart disease and old age. And wouldn't THAT be nice.
Pull your heads out of your asses, fellow Americans: social democracy and progressive taxation is the way to go, not corporate capitalism and flat rate taxation.....
We are the owners. Everything in this country is managed for OUR benefit, NOT for the maximization of corporate profit. If higher profits are good for Americans, then higher profits are OK. But if higher profits are NOT good for Americans, then they are NOT OK.
Got it, you brainwashed, piece of corporatist-shit sheeple?
You have indeed been indoctrinated well. Just like the teenage kamikaze pilots WW2 and the suicide bombers of Islam, it goes to show you that cultural indoctrination can make humans do things that are clearly against their best interests. And all for the improved social status for the human in question....love your job, indeed!
How about we all cooperate to build adequate shelter and food supply for all Americans/Canadians/whatever, and we can then spend the vast majority of our time pursuing our own interests? Too idealistic for you? No way for you to gain improved social status? Aw, never mind....
Else be prepared to face the consequences!
Sounds like a natural to me! And BTW you can get a cryonics contract for $100/month on the installment plan. See www.alcor.org
No one can say what the odds are. No one has been able to construct a mathematical estimation of the odds, other than saying the probability of success is a product of multiple independent factors (total probability == (prob of no society breakdown)(prob of dying "good death")(prob 1)(prob 2)....
But the logical case for cryonics is actually quite strong. If we agree that the human being (however you define it) is wholly contained in the brain and that hte brain is information, then we can say that in order to acheive revival, that information must be recovered to a certain extent. Well, to WHAT extent? If I code and then decode a book, and lose one word, have I recovered the book? How about if I lose 2 words?
Let me ask you something: if you are in some hypothetical situation where you would lose your life unless you pass through a particular device, and this device functioned so as to remove from you some unknown portion or percentage of your memories and/or other knowledge contained in your brain, would you refuse to go into the device and lose your life, or would you go through, and save your life, but sacrifice that unknown percentage of your memories/knowledge? What if the percentage of lost memories/knowledge were 1%? 2%? 5%? When do YOU become NOT YOU? At what percentage?
So, if we agree then, that even if you lose some relatively small percentage of your memories, then you are still YOU, then it comes down to if and when a sufficient percentage of that information can be recovered from your brain by future science. What does the "sweep of history" tell us about the progression of the ability of science to recover previously unknown information? A good analogy seems to be the science of cryptography. When you code some information, such as a message, it is lost to everyone except the holder of the code. But if the code is broken, the information is recovered. Take a look at the history of cryptography: has there been steady progress in this field?
I would say yes. Every year the boundaries of cryptography are pushed back. So we see a steady progression in increase of capability in that field. But will the science needed to recover the frozen brains progress fast enough to recover the brains before they deteriorate? Most estimates gives the brains more than 10K years before background radiation destroys them (shielding could prolong that period).
So, is 10K years (or even longer) enough to recover a sufficient percentage of that frozen information? At that point in time, where the two graphs intersect (the graph of ability to recover, and the graph of brain viability), recovery occurs.
See www.alcor.org and www.merkle.com for more.
You can sign up with www.Alcor.org for a cryonics contract for only 50K (fundable through life insurance payments) and get a chance at a future revival.
And if revived in the distant future, you can ride in a spaceship and look out the window at all those 100K space caskets roaming around space.
Myself, I prefer a chance at life to a certain death....
dipshit.
Talk about handwaving!
Look, you moronic piece of crap: the studies you so proudly hail (but do not bother actually citing) are BOUGHT AND PAID FOR. There is a lot of free trade looting going on, and so there is a lot of incentive to buy rigged studies.
The surveillance cameras in England are the wave of the future that is feared by the rich and powerful here in America. They fear that it may be used against them in the future. Thus, they are paying for media propaganda to stop the cameras.
This all started with letting third worlders into our country at all. We should never have started letting them into our universities. They are our competition. And "our" means the workers of America, not the investors, not the tycoons, and not the CEOs. Giving educational access people from low wage country is a winner for corporations and rich people and a loser for the everyday american.
The battle for our wages and our jobs was lost when we started seeing the same perspective, starting taking the viewpoint of the investor class. How stupid can you be!
What small business owner would let his competitor in on his trade secrets. It's one thing to let people from high wage countries like Western Euros into our country to work or go to school: there is not much of a wage disparity.
BTW, Slashdot's parent company involved in outsourcing. That is why they rarely run outsourcing stories, and why the only stories they run these days are favorable or sympathetic to outsourcing.