he will be screaming like a bitch for outsourcing and h2b protection....and RIGHTLY so! We pay our politicians damn well to look after US, and not the citizens of some other country. Whatever they CAN do for US, they had better damn well do it. And if they don't....try their asses for treason.
BTW...slashdot has been ignoring this story for months, no doubt because they would rather not offend possible Indian/chinese readers. Well, they are selling us out, just like our politicians. You American programmers had better get your acts together and find a forum (and politicians) who will support YOU.....
I am going to go ahead and post this in its entirety here:
AP-- June 17, 2003
District of Columbia police were alerted to a sexual assualt near the White House at 8:20 PM Tuesday. Although initial reports are sketchy, it appears as if the victim was Utah Senator Orrin Hatch.
Robert Jefferson, spokeman for the DC police refused to reveal the identity of the victim, citing national security concerns. However, anonymous sources claim that the victim identified himself as Senator Hatch.
According to reports given by eyewitnesses at the scene, Senator Hatch was the victim of a brutal gang rape 4 blocks from the White House. From the preliminary eyewitness reports, Sen. Hatch was attacked by as many as a dozen young men, described as Caucasian and sloppily dressed. Several of the attackers appeared to be wearing "wearable computers."
The attackers were heard to yell repeatedly at Hatch during the sexual assualt. Among the epithets overheard were "leet," "owned," and "download this, Hatch."
Volunteer Fake Swappers can beat this. A bunch of people can organize online to trade files with names like "Stairway to Heaven" or "I'm A Loser, Baby". These files would actually not be music at all. Then when the RIAA busts them for copyright infringment, sue them, and get bad publicity for RIAA.
As far as sales go, have you ever owned both an American car and a German or Japanese car? I have owned all three types, and I promise you that the german and japanese are FAR more dependable and are much more designed for reliability.
....Business lobbies are the main entities feeding the bribes, err, campaign contributions, and the think tanks and Public Relations (PR) firms that collaborate to get similar "news stories" published in many media outlets. But there are many entities that want more immigration, both educated H1B's and uneducation latin american peasants. The lobbies that represent restaurants and hotels are also very influential.
This article is likely a setup article for other articles which will eventually oh-so-delicately suggest that more H1B programmers are needed from India because they supposedly still have the "old" technology, and we desperately need those old Indian skills, so therefore best that we increase the h1b programmer quota.
The sheeple are easily swayed by "reporters" who need to attract readers, and so the reporters generate conflict and tension and fear....ooohhh...it's 1984!
THe rich and powerful would prefer not to come under the watchful eye of the camera. Also, the business lobbies want more cheap labor via illegal aliens. THese cameras could be used to halt the flow of illegal aliens.
This powerful interests will probably finance more anti-surveillance propaganda in order to kill such ideas.
I am all for it. I see this country as an asset that I own jointly with the other American citizens, and just like a person who owns a business with other partners, I want to protect my asset and keep it from being used by others who do not own (unless they are tourists or business investors who bring financial assets).
Importation of cheap illegal alien labor hurts many citizen/owners. Therefore it should be stopped. And cameras can help.
>> "End of rant, huh? Look, you are just like I was 15 years ago, politically and philosophically speaking. But you are stupid and ignorant. But don't worry. That is a disease of youth...."
So, you became bitter and cynical because your stable life was taken away?
Your previous life only so existed because others paid for your products >>
huh? I have a good job, with my own office, and a secretary, in a power tower, with a view of the metropolis.
>>> I love it when Americans want to have to both ways - global economy when it fits them and completely protectionist one when it doesn't. >>>
Yes, that is *exactly* right. And our govt has the power to enforce that desire, if they were not too busy selling out to CorpGovMedia to look out for the American working class. You see, we have the power to throw our weight around, just like the alpha male of a social animal pack can.
>>> Does it ever occur to you that when you export U.S. goods and services overseas, it means somebody overseas has already lost *their* job because *you* took it from them? >>
Just like if I buy a stock or make deal, and then make money off of it, someone ELSE loses money.
>>> Do you have a problem with that? >>>
Not in the LEAST.
>> I didn't think so... >>
Your problem is that you are brainwashed.
>>> But if not, how can you have a problem when it happens the other way around? So - yeah, you own this country, but if you want to sell globally (and believe me, you DO - that's exactly how America is able to thrive in a world that's much poorer on average), you have to play by the global rules. >>
As long as we are on top, we have the most say, and if our leaders do not take advantage of that fact, and instead sell out to globalist labor market vultures, then I say we HANG them, and hifg (after a fair trial in a recognized court of law).
No, *we* own this country. We, the American citizens.
>> And if you have made sure every job goes to an American since independence goes to an American we'd still have Americans doing menial jobs which have been outsourced to:
1. Machines (hang the engineers?) >>
The Social contract extends to American citizen engineers, but not to non-citizen engineers. I know it is a hard concept, but there is such a thing as a "social contract." As a citzen of a country, I agree to play fair with other citizens, but when it comes to playing fair with non-citizens, they do not get the same deal.
It is an old, OLD, OLD concept.
>> 2. Overseas (if someon in a third world country wants to do a low level job, let them, I'll do something more interesting/valuable). >>
I would prefer to do nothing at all unless I want to do it.
>> If this were the yountry YOU propose, we'd have no economic growth, would still be living in wooden shacks, creating our own products which would be better produced outside. >>
Oh, I be a *decided* technophile, early adopter,etc. See my sig....
>> Allow me to use CAPS because you seem somewhat thick: >>
Doubt it. 200+ hours of college. Widely traveled.
Multiple degrees in diverse fields. > 95th percentile IQ. Etc.
>>> SENDING LOW VALUE JOBS OVERSEAS MEANS WE CAN DO MORE VALUEABLE JOBS. IF THEY ARE STEALING FROM US, WE WILL HAVE NO INCOME SO CANNOT PAY. >>
WHy would I want to send any jobs overseas? Why would anyone want to do a more "more valuable job"? I would rather do nothing I do not want to do. And I think everyone would agree with me. Anyway, your sentence does not really hang together, logically, etc.
>>>
Take you half-ass degree anywhere you like. Infact, if you're against outsourcing, LEAVE THE US. BECAUSE THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON THE PRINCIPAL OF FREE CHANCE BETWEEN ALL. >>
All citizens of America.
>>>
Most of us are immigrants, descended from those that saw a good chance. WHAT MADE US [the parent] BECOME SO SMALL MINDED? >>
Let me guess. You live in a house? You bought the house? Well, at some point in time, you did not own the house. Therefore, using your logic, I have the right to live there.
>> If you want the same job for ever, fine. Do it forever, never pay a low price for goods, never take a pay rise. Fine. >>>
End of rant, huh? Look, you are just like I was 15 years ago, politically and philosophically speaking. But you are stupid and ignorant. But don't worry. That is a disease of youth....
"These are jobs that should be available to citizens of the U.S." >>
"Why?
The thing is, 'sending jobs overseas' is seen as negative. Why is that? Why shpould they be saved for US citizens?"
Umm...because we OWN this country and we, the people, having a govt for the people and by the people...etc etc...
If we want OUR GOVT to do whatever it can to make sure EVERY SINGLE JOB available in America is goes to an American, then we can do that. That is one of the benefits of being a citizen of a democracy. And if we decide we want OUR govt to punish corporations that outsource jobs, then we can do so. You see, we OWN THIS COUNTRY. It belongs to AMerican citizens. People, it is time we drive this fact home to people like the above, and like our elected officials. I say we try for economic treason some politicians who have facilitated outsourcing. And if they are found guilty, hang 'em.
You tell him to keep trying harder than anyone else. But that is impossible--"him" is everyone. What you are REALLY saying is that in our red of tooth and claw system, you had better keep working ever harder and harder until you die.....
If we want to make it so that working class citizens can steal from the rich, and so that rich CEO's are stomped unmercifully for any transgression, then we can do so. Personally, I like the idea of ordinary working class people getting breaks that rich people do not.
You may disagree, but if more people agree with me than with you, then you and the CEOs are shit outta luck, huh?
The neocons and the globalists know that secure IDs stand in the way of profit because it makes it harder to sneak in cheap slave labor and abridge the penumbral rights of American citizens to first shot at whatever work is available here in America.
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he will be screaming like a bitch for outsourcing and h2b protection....and RIGHTLY so! We pay our politicians damn well to look after US, and not the citizens of some other country. Whatever they CAN do for US, they had better damn well do it. And if they don't....try their asses for treason.
BTW...slashdot has been ignoring this story for months, no doubt because they would rather not offend possible Indian/chinese readers. Well, they are selling us out, just like our politicians. You American programmers had better get your acts together and find a forum (and politicians) who will support YOU.....
....by the principals of Code Simply
....numbnuts
String him up to a tree....and when he stops kicking, let's head to Washington.....
Carrying water for The Man. Whatever The Man wants, Slashdot does.
Really. C'mon. Save mod points for something with a bit more bite.....
for text processing? Does it have the same libraries? I know it is less complicated, or that is what I hear....
yeah, I have dialup with a small ISP. I doubt they keep logs.
I am going to go ahead and post this in its entirety here:
AP-- June 17, 2003
District of Columbia police were alerted to a sexual assualt near the White House at 8:20 PM Tuesday. Although initial reports are sketchy, it appears as if the victim was Utah Senator Orrin Hatch.
Robert Jefferson, spokeman for the DC police refused to reveal the identity of the victim, citing national security concerns. However, anonymous sources claim that the victim identified himself as Senator Hatch.
According to reports given by eyewitnesses at the scene, Senator Hatch was the victim of a brutal gang rape 4 blocks from the White House. From the preliminary eyewitness reports, Sen. Hatch was attacked by as many as a dozen young men, described as Caucasian and sloppily dressed. Several of the attackers appeared to be wearing "wearable computers."
The attackers were heard to yell repeatedly at Hatch during the sexual assualt. Among the epithets overheard were "leet," "owned," and "download this, Hatch."
Volunteer Fake Swappers can beat this. A bunch of people can organize online to trade files with names like "Stairway to Heaven" or "I'm A Loser, Baby". These files would actually not be music at all. Then when the RIAA busts them for copyright infringment, sue them, and get bad publicity for RIAA.
The auto workers are doing great.
As far as sales go, have you ever owned both an American car and a German or Japanese car? I have owned all three types, and I promise you that the german and japanese are FAR more dependable and are much more designed for reliability.
People do not seem to realize how much the tariffs add to the price of the car. That is why the union auto workers have it MADE!
If we had the same protection for software and office workers, we would have it made, too.
....Business lobbies are the main entities feeding the bribes, err, campaign contributions, and the think tanks and Public Relations (PR) firms that collaborate to get similar "news stories" published in many media outlets. But there are many entities that want more immigration, both educated H1B's and uneducation latin american peasants. The lobbies that represent restaurants and hotels are also very influential.
....selling us out to the Corporate lobbies who are trying to get more cheap desperate foreign labor.
Hang a few of them in Washington Mall and watch and see how the other get straight real quick.
Of course they should be hanged only after a fair trial in a court of law.
This article is likely a setup article for other articles which will eventually oh-so-delicately suggest that more H1B programmers are needed from India because they supposedly still have the "old" technology, and we desperately need those old Indian skills, so therefore best that we increase the h1b programmer quota.
Some things never change......
The sheeple are easily swayed by "reporters" who need to attract readers, and so the reporters generate conflict and tension and fear....ooohhh...it's 1984!
THe rich and powerful would prefer not to come under the watchful eye of the camera. Also, the business lobbies want more cheap labor via illegal aliens. THese cameras could be used to halt the flow of illegal aliens.
This powerful interests will probably finance more anti-surveillance propaganda in order to kill such ideas.
I am all for it. I see this country as an asset that I own jointly with the other American citizens, and just like a person who owns a business with other partners, I want to protect my asset and keep it from being used by others who do not own (unless they are tourists or business investors who bring financial assets).
Importation of cheap illegal alien labor hurts many citizen/owners. Therefore it should be stopped. And cameras can help.
Flame away.
>>
"End of rant, huh? Look, you are just like I was 15 years ago, politically and philosophically speaking. But you are stupid and ignorant. But don't worry. That is a disease of youth...."
So, you became bitter and cynical because your stable life was taken away?
Your previous life only so existed because others paid for your products
>>
huh? I have a good job, with my own office, and a secretary, in a power tower, with a view of the metropolis.
>>>
I love it when Americans want to have to both ways - global economy when it fits them and completely protectionist one when it doesn't.
>>>
Yes, that is *exactly* right. And our govt has the power to enforce that desire, if they were not too busy selling out to CorpGovMedia to look out for the American working class. You see, we have the power to throw our weight around, just like the alpha male of a social animal pack can.
>>>
Does it ever occur to you that when you export U.S. goods and services overseas, it means somebody overseas has already lost *their* job because *you* took it from them?
>>
Just like if I buy a stock or make deal, and then make money off of it, someone ELSE loses money.
>>>
Do you have a problem with that?
>>>
Not in the LEAST.
>>
I didn't think so...
>>
Your problem is that you are brainwashed.
>>>
But if not, how can you have a problem when it happens the other way around? So - yeah, you own this country, but if you want to sell globally (and believe me, you DO - that's exactly how America is able to thrive in a world that's much poorer on average), you have to play by the global rules.
>>
As long as we are on top, we have the most say, and if our leaders do not take advantage of that fact, and instead sell out to globalist labor market vultures, then I say we HANG them, and hifg (after a fair trial in a recognized court of law).
>>
Yes... you own this country.
>>
No, *we* own this country. We, the American citizens.
>>
And if you have made sure every job goes to an American since independence goes to an American we'd still have Americans doing menial jobs which have been outsourced to:
1. Machines (hang the engineers?)
>>
The Social contract extends to American citizen engineers, but not to non-citizen engineers. I know it is a hard concept, but there is such a thing as a "social contract." As a citzen of a country, I agree to play fair with other citizens, but when it comes to playing fair with non-citizens, they do not get the same deal.
It is an old, OLD, OLD concept.
>>
2. Overseas (if someon in a third world country wants to do a low level job, let them, I'll do something more interesting/valuable).
>>
I would prefer to do nothing at all unless I want to do it.
>>
If this were the yountry YOU propose, we'd have no economic growth, would still be living in wooden shacks, creating our own products which would be better produced outside.
>>
Oh, I be a *decided* technophile, early adopter,etc. See my sig....
>>
Allow me to use CAPS because you seem somewhat thick:
>>
Doubt it. 200+ hours of college. Widely traveled.
Multiple degrees in diverse fields. > 95th percentile IQ. Etc.
>>>
SENDING LOW VALUE JOBS OVERSEAS MEANS WE CAN DO MORE VALUEABLE JOBS. IF THEY ARE STEALING FROM US, WE WILL HAVE NO INCOME SO CANNOT PAY.
>>
WHy would I want to send any jobs overseas? Why would anyone want to do a more "more valuable job"? I would rather do nothing I do not want to do. And I think everyone would agree with me.
Anyway, your sentence does not really hang together, logically, etc.
>>>
Take you half-ass degree anywhere you like. Infact, if you're against outsourcing, LEAVE THE US. BECAUSE THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON THE PRINCIPAL OF FREE CHANCE BETWEEN ALL.
>>
All citizens of America.
>>>
Most of us are immigrants, descended from those that saw a good chance. WHAT MADE US [the parent] BECOME SO SMALL MINDED?
>>
Let me guess. You live in a house? You bought the house? Well, at some point in time, you did not own the house. Therefore, using your logic, I have the right to live there.
>>
If you want the same job for ever, fine. Do it forever, never pay a low price for goods, never take a pay rise. Fine.
>>>
End of rant, huh? Look, you are just like I was 15 years ago, politically and philosophically speaking. But you are stupid and ignorant. But don't worry. That is a disease of youth....
>>>
"These are jobs that should be available to citizens of the U.S."
>>
"Why?
The thing is, 'sending jobs overseas' is seen as negative. Why is that? Why shpould they be saved for US citizens?"
Umm...because we OWN this country and we, the people, having a govt for the people and by the people...etc etc...
If we want OUR GOVT to do whatever it can to make sure EVERY SINGLE JOB available in America is goes to an American, then we can do that. That is one of the benefits of being a citizen of a democracy.
And if we decide we want OUR govt to punish corporations that outsource jobs, then we can do so. You see, we OWN THIS COUNTRY. It belongs to AMerican citizens.
People, it is time we drive this fact home to people like the above, and like our elected officials. I say we try for economic treason some politicians who have facilitated outsourcing. And if they are found guilty, hang 'em.
....or a million, as the case may be.
You tell him to keep trying harder than anyone else. But that is impossible--"him" is everyone. What you are REALLY saying is that in our red of tooth and claw system, you had better keep working ever harder and harder until you die.....
Once again, the working class pays for the upper classes nannies and cheap busboys.
You may disagree, but if more people agree with me than with you, then you and the CEOs are shit outta luck, huh?
The neocons and the globalists know that secure IDs stand in the way of profit because it makes it harder to sneak in cheap slave labor and abridge the penumbral rights of American citizens to first shot at whatever work is available here in America.