You're right in that the GPL might not be the ultimate good. I think noone but RMS would be happier if we could kick out all licenses and still have free software.
You're right that we have much to thank the Linux kernel developers, after all, they were the first to make it possible to run a free software operating system. As for our "demand"; we don't make demands, we make suggestions. There's a strong difference there. We suggest that the whole system is called GNU/Linux, but we won't and can't force you to do so. One of my points were that the GNU project should get credit, the exact way to do it in is not important. Don't stress the GNU/Linux issue more than necessary, instead come of with new creative ways to credit everyone where credit is due. I assume that you want to give the GNU project credit, otherwise this discussion is just silly. So when you then call a system "Linux", you assume that all users will automatically pick up on and understand that there are quite a few GNU utilities they are using. I don't think this happens unless you're very interested in your system, which is why I choose to make the GNU credit more prominent.
These are all very interesting ideas. I won't lie and say that this article is unbiased, because it very clearly is biased towards the GNU project. The reason I like to think of Linux/Xfree86/whatever as adopted by the GNU project is that the GNU project was the first attempt to create a "free software" operating system. Thats why I tend to think of GNU as the base which supports most GNU/Linux distributions. You can think of this as a pyramid. The top is the Linux kernel and under it is things like XFree86, LaTeX and in the bottom is the GNU utilities (think glibc, fileutils and more here). When you're in a helicopter above the pyramid, you only see portions of each layer, but they all rest upon the GNU base.
Are the mirrors of ftp.xx.kernel.org mirroring via ftp? The news seems to indicate that they are. I would suggest using something like rsync to keep the mirrors up to date instead.
On the subject of patents, there's an interesting article, Patent Reform Is Not Enough over at the GNU webserver. It's a reprint and it appeared originally in the GNU's Bulletin vol.1 no.13 (June 1992).
Oh, I forgot. Maybe this is far-fetched, but it would be nice to have comments read-marked:) It's not uncommon for me to read the same articles several times and it would be nice to only see new comments on the second viewing.
Hey CT, thats sneaky! Anyway, I really like the new changes you made. Although with everything going on, it's taken me quite some time to find where you've placed the buttons;) Also, it really WOULD be nice if, on the front page, it would also list the number of comments that I would see if I look at the comments and not the total number of comments. Anyway. Nice changes and happy b-day Hemos (yeah, I sent him an email too).
There's a few other texts worth reading from Open Sources too. I would especially like to point out Larry Walls essay which can be found online at http://kiev.wall.org/~larry/onion/onio n.html. Also worth a read are Bruce Perens article, which unfortunately doesn't seem to be reprinted online anywhere.
There's a slightly deeper philosophical issue here. Many people would argue that because junk mail (the normal kind) is accepted by most, so should junk fax and email be. Now, for regular mail you can put a poster on your door saying you don't want any junk and that works most of the time. For email, it's rumored you can do the same on some website though I personally doubt it. With IPP you don't have this possibility and until you do, I don't think I would recommend anyone to use it (unless they also make sure their firewall blocks any such attempts to print from the outside which I suppose could work, but having one firewall per printer is rediculous. Hmm, wait a minute. Does this mean theres an emerging market for firewalls the size of a deck of cards?)
This is interesting. I've been looking into the glibc2.1 and the Sparc support and it's been running great for quite some time now. It will be most interesting to see it in operation also on the i386.
I really like this. They spoke with me and RMS a couple of weeks ago about this and it's nice to see they finally took this step. I'm looking forward to seeing this in action soon, I could definitly use it.
I acctually thought this article was a rather good one, even if I don't agree with the conclusion that the author comes to at the and (which I thought was rather sudden and uncalled for).
Lots of famous people falling down dead these days...
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This is not so. I won't go into specifics, but you can look into the philosophy section on the GNU project web server. I hope you'll understand what it is RMS and the GNU Projects wants after that.
Just a small correction; Linux is licensed under the GNU General Public License. This does _not_ make it GNU software. Calling a program GNU software means that the developer and the GNU project agree that the software is part of the GNU system. Linux is not part of the GNU system though many people have adopted it to make a free operating system.
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These are good suggestions. I will incorporate the GNU message into my /etc/motd right away.
You're right in that the GPL might not be the ultimate good. I think noone but RMS would be happier if we could kick out all licenses and still have free software.
True. Why is this you think? I don't know but I assume it has something to do with our desire to have a leader that can guide us.
You're right that we have much to thank the Linux kernel developers, after all, they were the first to make it possible to run a free software operating system. As for our "demand"; we don't make demands, we make suggestions. There's a strong difference there. We suggest that the whole system is called GNU/Linux, but we won't and can't force you to do so. One of my points were that the GNU project should get credit, the exact way to do it in is not important. Don't stress the GNU/Linux issue more than necessary, instead come of with new creative ways to credit everyone where credit is due.
I assume that you want to give the GNU project credit, otherwise this discussion is just silly. So when you then call a system "Linux", you assume that all users will automatically pick up on and understand that there are quite a few GNU utilities they are using. I don't think this happens unless you're very interested in your system, which is why I choose to make the GNU credit more prominent.
Yes, you're probably the first to say something is "GNUcentric". What do you suggest that it would mean?
These are all very interesting ideas. I won't lie and say that this article is unbiased, because it very clearly is biased towards the GNU project. The reason I like to think of Linux/Xfree86/whatever as adopted by the GNU project is that the GNU project was the first attempt to create a "free software" operating system. Thats why I tend to think of GNU as the base which supports most GNU/Linux distributions. You can think of this as a pyramid. The top is the Linux kernel and under it is things like XFree86, LaTeX and in the bottom is the GNU utilities (think glibc, fileutils and more here). When you're in a helicopter above the pyramid, you only see portions of each layer, but they all rest upon the GNU base.
Are the mirrors of ftp.xx.kernel.org mirroring via ftp? The news seems to indicate that they are. I would suggest using something like rsync to keep the mirrors up to date instead.
When's your birthday CT? *smiles innocently* O:)
The "Updated xxx" field doesn't seem to be calculated based on the timezone.
On the subject of patents, there's an interesting article, Patent Reform Is Not Enough over at the GNU webserver. It's a reprint and it appeared originally in the GNU's Bulletin vol.1 no.13 (June 1992).
Oh, I forgot. Maybe this is far-fetched, but it would be nice to have comments read-marked :) It's not uncommon for me to read the same articles several times and it would be nice to only see new comments on the second viewing.
Hey CT, thats sneaky! Anyway, I really like the new changes you made. Although with everything going on, it's taken me quite some time to find where you've placed the buttons ;)
Also, it really WOULD be nice if, on the front page, it would also list the number of comments that I would see if I look at the comments and not the total number of comments.
Anyway. Nice changes and happy b-day Hemos (yeah, I sent him an email too).
Oh, thats okay. UNIX has been obsolete for the last 30 or so years. Not to mention that the press pronounces UNIX dead atleast twice every year!
There's a few other texts worth reading from Open Sources too. I would especially like to point out Larry Walls essay which can be found online at http://kiev.wall.org/~larry/onion/onio n.html. Also worth a read are Bruce Perens article, which unfortunately doesn't seem to be reprinted online anywhere.
There's a slightly deeper philosophical issue here. Many people would argue that because junk mail (the normal kind) is accepted by most, so should junk fax and email be. Now, for regular mail you can put a poster on your door saying you don't want any junk and that works most of the time. For email, it's rumored you can do the same on some website though I personally doubt it. With IPP you don't have this possibility and until you do, I don't think I would recommend anyone to use it (unless they also make sure their firewall blocks any such attempts to print from the outside which I suppose could work, but having one firewall per printer is rediculous. Hmm, wait a minute. Does this mean theres an emerging market for firewalls the size of a deck of cards?)
Very good work Rob! I especially like the little toggle that made my Lynx much more happy with /.!
Ask him.. :)
This is interesting. I've been looking into the glibc2.1 and the Sparc support and it's been running great for quite some time now. It will be most interesting to see it in operation also on the i386.
120kb/s. Seems quite okay with me. I'm going to play! :>
I really like this. They spoke with me and RMS a couple of weeks ago about this and it's nice to see they finally took this step. I'm looking forward to seeing this in action soon, I could definitly use it.
Really nice speech, too bad I wasn't there to hear it. More audio-clips from the GNU and Linux-related speeches people! :)
I acctually thought this article was a rather good one, even if I don't agree with the conclusion that the author comes to at the and (which I thought was rather sudden and uncalled for).
Lots of famous people falling down dead these days...
This is not so. I won't go into specifics, but you can look into the philosophy section on the GNU project web server. I hope you'll understand what it is RMS and the GNU Projects wants after that.
Just a small correction; Linux is licensed under the GNU General Public License. This does _not_ make it GNU software. Calling a program GNU software means that the developer and the GNU project agree that the software is part of the GNU system. Linux is not part of the GNU system though many people have adopted it to make a free operating system.