Message to WIPO & ICANN from WIPO.org.uk (SWIPO.org)
WIPO & ICANN care nothing for the LAW:
Ask any trademark attorney about the proper use of a trademark. It has to be set apart by special typeface or script. And use "tm" for an unregistered mark and "®" for a registered mark.
The Domain Naming System (DNS) encompasses all words - it is NOT a Trademark System (ask Paul Mockapetris, creator of Domain Name System).
ICANN - this means you cannot have a dispute resolution that does not include a tag - i.e..REG or similar. What you are doing is unlawful.
Article 82 prohibits the abuse of the dominant position of a company which negatively affect the trade between Member States.
2.2. What are the prohibited practices under Article 82?
c) Abuse of intellectual property rights
The mere existence of a patent, trademark or copyright is not sufficient to establish a dominant position.
WIPO - this means you cannot pass on these names, only one may use it, else you are giving trademark a dominant position on the Internet. Many others may have the name trademarked also. Have you not heard of "Unfair Competition" laws? What you are doing is unlawful.
It is not "an effort to lower costs to the consumer" !
The cost to UK consumer will still be at £299.
This is a lot more than the US pay.
The use 2 lies for this price difference.
1. PAL circuit. The difference in cost is pennies.
2. Transport. Do they have a seat each on a plane?
The truth is, they can send heavier video recorders - complete with the PAL curcuitry - for the cost of the price difference between countries.
It is an attempt to justify the fact they rip the UK consumer off.
For proper use of a registered mark, there is a requirement for the symbol "®". Why do you think they have (tm) and symbols? On the Internet, there should be Top Level Domain of.REG for same function.
Common sense is needed. WIPO are paid for by big business. In my opinion, they are their bitch.
The Apple in 'American Apple Pie' is now a computer, not a fruit.
The authorities restrict our language on the Internet. They have taken all words away from us and make them fit for only one use - only as trademark system. It is a very bad trademark system at that, used by only one supplier of each name, out of thousands worldwide.
I have been communicating with the United States Patent and Trademark Organization and the Department of Commerce. I make the main problem clear to them. This is extract of latest email:
"Here is an analogy, just for a moment imagine, if you will:
You go to your dictionary and look up definition for the word 'apple'. It says the following:
Apple - a maker of computers. This is the sole meaning; any other use will be a criminal offence.
Nothing at all about them being a fruit used in the world famous 'American Apple Pie'. All words have had their description changed. You find dictionaries have been bastardised, for use as a trademark system. Would you not be outraged that all the words in your vocabulary for everyday speech have been perverted this way?"
Perhaps you have more sense - do you understand? Can you see - words belonging to everybody, have been given to big business? As I say, the Apple in the world famous 'American Apple Pie' is now a computer, not a fruit.
I have solution to trademark problems at www.WIPO.org.uk, which authorities already knew.
WIPO.org.uk and SWIPO.org have no connection with, and wishes to be totally disassociated from, the World Intellectual Property Organization. The above is my considered and informed opinion.
Quote: BARCELONA, Spain - The owners of Barcelona.com face a legal battle after losing their domain name in a decision issued this week. The company's tourism Web site will be handed over to the Barcelona City Council in Spain.
The World Intellectual Property Organization, or WIPO, in Geneva, Switzerland, ruled Wednesday that the City Council had "better rights" to the name than the company, but the decision creates uncertainty for thousands of geographic domain-name owners.
You over-complicate things. It is a lot simpler than that.
Take my domain name - skilful.com. Is it FordMotors.com? Why should I not sell it for profit?
Like, if I bought a baseball cards for 10 cents, why should I not sell it for $1.265 million? Like a grade 8 Honus Wagner was just sold for. No difference.
Why do you not complain about the corporates abuse the DNS? They use it as a blinking trademark system (TMS).
I suppose you have no wish to offend your bosses. You better go take them a cup of java.
That is your *totally uninformed* opinion. You obviously know nothing about how ICANN have held up TLDs for many years and the TM lobbies efforts to take over the Internet DNS.
>If you were unable to work, then how did you pay for the domain registrations? Seems that essential items like food, clothes, and shelter would be a more appropriate use of funds.
I was given a small sum for ill health retirement. It would have run out within a short period of time. I had to look out for my family still. See my health warning on skilful.com.
As for being your Intellectual Property, give me a break! If you use someone elses Trademarked name, you're using their Intellectual Property!
I have bought generic names, which greedy corporates will still try and steal.
Domain names are not equivalent to land or other tangible products one would "invest" in. People who take advantage of a system such as DNS to make a quick buck are nothing but Losers in my book!
Again you show your lack of knowledge. Stocks and shares are not tangible. As you have to resort to insults - if brains were dynamite, you would not have enough to blow your hat off.
Procter & Gamble Co is now to sell 100 domains, including beautiful.com. So you would consider them squatters. I would consider it commerce, like when you buy and sell anything.
This *squatting* thing is a lie - brought about by ICANN deliberately holding up new TLDs for years.
Being unable to work, I *bought* generic domains for investment. As I thought of them first, they are my Intellectual Property. The corporates make billions out of their IP, I would like return for mine.
After I bought them, I found people like myself branded as illegals. Which is why I started my protest site, WIPO.org.uk.
>There's a fine line between free speech and slander.
There are laws in place already - why take the domain away before any crime is commited?
Procter & Gamble Co is now to sell 100 domains, including beautiful.com. So you would consider them squatters. I would consider it commerce, like when you buy and sell anything.
This *squatting* thing is a lie - brought about by ICANN deliberately holding up new TLDs for years.
Being unable to work, I bought generic domains for investment. Then I found people like myself branded as illegals. Which is why I started my protest site, WIPO.org.uk.
He could have also offered to sell it to Jethro Tull, Joth Tupper; jt-actuary.com, or Taylor Made Records - James "JT" Taylor, voice of Kool and the Gang, John Tyler Comunity College; jt.cc.va.us, or millions of others.
So in a free market, what is wrong with that?
>I would be sorta annoyed if I went to a "www.somethingorother.com" and all I got was a page saying "I'm holding this domain ransom until someone wants to pay me enough."
What is wrong with that, if it is generic "somethingorother"?
As an individual, you pay many thousands to corporations for their Intellectual Property.
If you owned "somethingorother.com", why should you not ask for a fair return for your Intellectual Property?
You had the *idea* to buy it first. After all - *as you say* - This translates to millions of hits, and potentially a Lot Of Money.
Perhaps you should go to WIPO and *give it to them for nothing.*
The greedy corporations have got the arbitrators on their side - they don't need help.
My protest site, WIPO.org.uk, is nothing to do with WIPO.org.
>I own several "generic term" domains, and had one email exchange with a troll who insisted that he owned the rights to a particular generic word. I not so politely told him to fork off.
The trouble is - they are "GENERIC" names.
That means they are easier to take off you - by a bigger company.
I have protest site, WIPO.org.uk, that gives examples of the names being taken.
When going through list, bare in mind trademark law. They had NO RIGHT to take these, as generic words have to be disclaimed:
video net, roller blade, best locks, nitro fuel, tonsil, north face, marketing mix, 0xygen, edentist, state-farm, new-gig, video direct, iphones, open mail, traditions, open view, unicode, southern company, pc gateway, ultra pure water, time keeper, click here, current, beauty co, sound-choice, e-auto-parts, eresolution, body and soul, talk about, esquire, office specialists, crew, praline, the total package, faith net, buy PC, home interiors, big dog, euro consult, music web...etc.
If anybody tried to introduce libraries today, WIPO would stop them - claiming copyright infringement.
My protest site WIPO.org.uk is nothing to do with power mad WIPO.org.
>He states that the crew.com case involved a "small business" and not a squatter, yet the company that registered it had 50+ domain names of registered companies it was selling. Seems to be a squatter to me.
Procter & Gamble Co., the largest U.S. maker of household products, has bought thousands of domains. They have been sitting on many for five years. Are they squatters also?
>Likewise, the montyroberts.com dispute involves a person using it for negative commentary about the actual plaintiff. This would be considered misuse under most arbitrators review.
They are the "Thought Police" - they can read your mind and know if you got a domain in "Bad Faith". This includes the acts of reselling and investment, removing rules of free market, here it is considered illegal.
Japan Tobacco Inc grabbed JT.com from Israel citizen. WIPO's Teruo Doi ruled the owner registered the name "for no legitimate reason but for the purpose of selling it to another person for unjustifiable profit."
What is the difference to buying and selling baseball cards, currently (grade 8 Honus Wagner) at prices up to $1.265 million?
It's no different for the UK Government, sanction a thriving business with the DVLA auctioning new car number plates.
What about Procter & Gamble Co? It has bought thousands of domains. It is now to sell 100, including beautiful.com.
WIPO, you are aiding and abetting theft.
WIPO.org.uk has no connection with, and wishes to be totally disassociated from, the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO.ORG).
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You are telling lies. You must be an MP! or an upper-class twit.
As a NORMAL British subject, I can tell you all - nobody trusts Government.
They LIE about everything.
You say "WIPO can handle the problems with trademarks"
You obviously have not been paying attention to what has been happening.
Goto WIPO.org.uk to find out.
As for dot BIZ - ICANN care nothing for conflict - when they create it.
Yet when others do, they use UDRP.
Confirms what I say about them on www.WIPO.org.uk
By letting everyone (Intel AMD Via etc.) start producing, Rambus failed to protect their patent. Surely, they then lose the right to this patent?
I have been communicating with the USPTO and DoC about the problem of trademarks on the Internet.
.REG
.food
.us
The World Intellectual Piracy Organization (WIPO.org.uk) has been telling them what they already know.
To make trademarks lawful requires:
1. TM identifier - example
2. Classification identifier - example
3. Country identifier - example
So dominos pizzas in USA would be domino.food.us.reg
They may not like it, but it is the only way to make trademarks comply with law.
Dot coms, dot biz etc. can all still be used. Dot REG would act as certificate of authentication.
If you check, you will find that United Nations (which WIPO is part) and Europe have some sort of relationship.
;-)
Least we can count in the UK
Message to WIPO & ICANN from WIPO.org.uk (SWIPO.org)
.REG or similar. What you are doing is unlawful.
WIPO & ICANN care nothing for the LAW:
Ask any trademark attorney about the proper use of a trademark. It has to be set apart by special typeface or script. And use "tm" for an unregistered mark and "®" for a registered mark.
The Domain Naming System (DNS) encompasses all words - it is NOT a Trademark System (ask Paul Mockapetris, creator of Domain Name System).
ICANN - this means you cannot have a dispute resolution that does not include a tag - i.e.
Guide to European Competition Law
2. Abuses of dominant position (Article 82)
Article 82 prohibits the abuse of the dominant position of a company which negatively affect the trade between Member States.
2.2. What are the prohibited practices under Article 82?
c) Abuse of intellectual property rights
The mere existence of a patent, trademark or copyright is not sufficient to establish a dominant position.
WIPO - this means you cannot pass on these names, only one may use it, else you are giving trademark a dominant position on the Internet. Many others may have the name trademarked also. Have you not heard of "Unfair Competition" laws? What you are doing is unlawful.
Agree with you Nexus.
I have deliberately held back buying, on principle.
It is not "an effort to lower costs to the consumer" ! The cost to UK consumer will still be at £299. This is a lot more than the US pay. The use 2 lies for this price difference. 1. PAL circuit. The difference in cost is pennies. 2. Transport. Do they have a seat each on a plane? The truth is, they can send heavier video recorders - complete with the PAL curcuitry - for the cost of the price difference between countries. It is an attempt to justify the fact they rip the UK consumer off.
WIPO and Lawyers
For proper use of a registered mark, there is a requirement for the symbol "®". Why do you think they have (tm) and symbols? On the Internet, there should be Top Level Domain of .REG for same function.
Common sense is needed. WIPO are paid for by big business. In my opinion, they are their bitch.
The Apple in 'American Apple Pie' is now a computer, not a fruit.
The authorities restrict our language on the Internet. They have taken all words away from us and make them fit for only one use - only as trademark system. It is a very bad trademark system at that, used by only one supplier of each name, out of thousands worldwide.
WIPO is big part of this. I have protest sites, WIPO.org.uk and SWIPO.org.
I have been communicating with the United States Patent and Trademark Organization and the Department of Commerce. I make the main problem clear to them. This is extract of latest email:
"Here is an analogy, just for a moment imagine, if you will:
You go to your dictionary and look up definition for the word 'apple'. It says the following:
Apple - a maker of computers. This is the sole meaning; any other use will be a criminal offence.
Nothing at all about them being a fruit used in the world famous 'American Apple Pie'. All words have had their description changed. You find dictionaries have been bastardised, for use as a trademark system. Would you not be outraged that all the words in your vocabulary for everyday speech have been perverted this way?"
Perhaps you have more sense - do you understand? Can you see - words belonging to everybody, have been given to big business? As I say, the Apple in the world famous 'American Apple Pie' is now a computer, not a fruit.
I have solution to trademark problems at www.WIPO.org.uk, which authorities already knew.
WIPO.org.uk and SWIPO.org have no connection with, and wishes to be totally disassociated from, the World Intellectual Property Organization. The above is my considered and informed opinion.
Sorry Max - you are wrong. Domain names are considered Intellectual Property.
Ask any big business that has taken them off the legal owner.
They uses them to make money also. Why should Bank of America pay millions for loans.com?.
They benefit no one but themselves.
Like you say, big business are parasites.
Those scum, WIPO, have started already.
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Quote: BARCELONA, Spain - The owners of Barcelona.com face a legal battle after losing their domain name in a decision issued this week. The company's tourism Web site will be handed over to the Barcelona City Council in Spain.
The World Intellectual Property Organization, or WIPO, in Geneva, Switzerland, ruled Wednesday that the City Council had "better rights" to the name than the company, but the decision creates uncertainty for thousands of geographic domain-name owners.
You over-complicate things. It is a lot simpler than that.
Take my domain name - skilful.com. Is it FordMotors.com? Why should I not sell it for profit?
Like, if I bought a baseball cards for 10 cents, why should I not sell it for $1.265 million? Like a grade 8 Honus Wagner was just sold for. No difference.
Why do you not complain about the corporates abuse the DNS? They use it as a blinking trademark system (TMS).
I suppose you have no wish to offend your bosses. You better go take them a cup of java.
>You're nothing but a stinkin' squatter yourself!
That is your *totally uninformed* opinion. You obviously know nothing about how ICANN have held up TLDs for many years and the TM lobbies efforts to take over the Internet DNS.
>If you were unable to work, then how did you pay for the domain registrations? Seems that essential items like food, clothes, and shelter would be a more appropriate use of funds.
I was given a small sum for ill health retirement. It would have run out within a short period of time. I had to look out for my family still. See my health warning on skilful.com.
As for being your Intellectual Property, give me a break! If you use someone elses Trademarked name, you're using their Intellectual Property!
I have bought generic names, which greedy corporates will still try and steal.
Domain names are not equivalent to land or other tangible products one would "invest" in. People who take advantage of a system such as DNS to make a quick buck are nothing but Losers in my book!
Again you show your lack of knowledge. Stocks and shares are not tangible. As you have to resort to insults - if brains were dynamite, you would not have enough to blow your hat off.
Procter & Gamble Co is now to sell 100 domains, including beautiful.com. So you would consider them squatters. I would consider it commerce, like when you buy and sell anything.
This *squatting* thing is a lie - brought about by ICANN deliberately holding up new TLDs for years.
Being unable to work, I *bought* generic domains for investment. As I thought of them first, they are my Intellectual Property. The corporates make billions out of their IP, I would like return for mine.
After I bought them, I found people like myself branded as illegals. Which is why I started my protest site, WIPO.org.uk.
>There's a fine line between free speech and slander.
There are laws in place already - why take the domain away before any crime is commited?
Look for the truth!
Sorry, I misinterpreted your intent.
Procter & Gamble Co is now to sell 100 domains, including beautiful.com. So you would consider them squatters. I would consider it commerce, like when you buy and sell anything.
This *squatting* thing is a lie - brought about by ICANN deliberately holding up new TLDs for years.
Being unable to work, I bought generic domains for investment. Then I found people like myself branded as illegals. Which is why I started my protest site, WIPO.org.uk.
He could have also offered to sell it to Jethro Tull, Joth Tupper; jt-actuary.com, or Taylor Made Records - James "JT" Taylor, voice of Kool and the Gang, John Tyler Comunity College; jt.cc.va.us, or millions of others. So in a free market, what is wrong with that?
>I would be sorta annoyed if I went to a "www.somethingorother.com" and all I got was a page saying "I'm holding this domain ransom until someone wants to pay me enough."
What is wrong with that, if it is generic "somethingorother"?
As an individual, you pay many thousands to corporations for their Intellectual Property.
If you owned "somethingorother.com", why should you not ask for a fair return for your Intellectual Property?
You had the *idea* to buy it first. After all - *as you say* - This translates to millions of hits, and potentially a Lot Of Money.
Perhaps you should go to WIPO and *give it to them for nothing.*
The greedy corporations have got the arbitrators on their side - they don't need help.
My protest site, WIPO.org.uk , is nothing to do with WIPO.org.
>I own several "generic term" domains, and had one email exchange with a troll who insisted that he owned the rights to a particular generic word. I not so politely told him to fork off.
The trouble is - they are "GENERIC" names.
That means they are easier to take off you - by a bigger company.
I have protest site, WIPO.org.uk, that gives examples of the names being taken.
When going through list, bare in mind trademark law. They had NO RIGHT to take these, as generic words have to be disclaimed:
...etc.
video net, roller blade, best locks, nitro fuel, tonsil, north face, marketing mix, 0xygen, edentist, state-farm, new-gig, video direct, iphones, open mail, traditions, open view, unicode, southern company, pc gateway, ultra pure water, time keeper, click here, current, beauty co, sound-choice, e-auto-parts, eresolution, body and soul, talk about, esquire, office specialists, crew, praline, the total package, faith net, buy PC, home interiors, big dog, euro consult, music web
If anybody tried to introduce libraries today, WIPO would stop them - claiming copyright infringement.
My protest site WIPO.org.uk is nothing to do with power mad WIPO.org.
>He states that the crew.com case involved a "small business" and not a squatter, yet the company that registered it had 50+ domain names of registered companies it was selling. Seems to be a squatter to me.
Procter & Gamble Co., the largest U.S. maker of household products, has bought thousands of domains. They have been sitting on many for five years. Are they squatters also?
>Likewise, the montyroberts.com dispute involves a person using it for negative commentary about the actual plaintiff. This would be considered misuse under most arbitrators review.
You do not believe in free speech?
They are the "Thought Police" - they can read your mind and know if you got a domain in "Bad Faith". This includes the acts of reselling and investment, removing rules of free market, here it is considered illegal.
Japan Tobacco Inc grabbed JT.com from Israel citizen. WIPO's Teruo Doi ruled the owner registered the name "for no legitimate reason but for the purpose of selling it to another person for unjustifiable profit."
What is the difference to buying and selling baseball cards, currently (grade 8 Honus Wagner) at prices up to $1.265 million?
It's no different for the UK Government, sanction a thriving business with the DVLA auctioning new car number plates.
What about Procter & Gamble Co? It has bought thousands of domains. It is now to sell 100, including beautiful.com.
WIPO, you are aiding and abetting theft.
WIPO.org.uk has no connection with, and wishes to be totally disassociated from, the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO.ORG).
Paul Mockapetris, creator of the Domain Name System (DNS), was asked by The Standard:
Q. What do you wish you had invented?
A. A directory system for the Internet that wouldn't be controlled by the politicians, lawyers and bureaucrats.
Visit my protest site WIPO.org.uk - nothing to do with the power mad WIPO.org.