set top boxes, android smartphones & tablets, routers, data centers, supercomputers, render farms, etc.
"In September 2008 Steve Ballmer (Microsoft CEO) claimed 60% of servers run Linux and 40% run Windows Server" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_adoption#Servers]
according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters, even the White House uses Linux, not to mention the likes of Amazon, Novell, Wikipedia, Google, IBM, DreamWorks, CERN, NYSE, London SE, US DoD, etc
i don't agree with the way you said it (longwinded, condescending) but i think somewhere in there you said something about linux not being a desktop os, which i think will be true for as long as microsoft doesn't fuck up windows (quite possible, even windows 8 may wind up being as much of a lemon as vista).
microsoft's success isn't related to the quality of their product, but in their early opportunities, mass-marketing and strongarming of oems and retailers.
if i were to bet on the future of operating systems, i would bet that linux will continue to gradully erode into the windows slice of the pie, and all without significant marketing or consumer/vendor lockins, until eventually windows becomes a minor competitor existing to support its legacy applications.
the reason for my bet is that microsoft exists to make a profit, which is ultimately incompatible with the objectives of their business endusers, which is also to make a profit. when business gets tough (an economic depression will inevitably occur), businesses simply won't be able to afford to contribute to microsoft's profit margin at the expense of their own.
if there is a cheaper alternative (even if only in the short term) such as linux, and businesses are aware of it (linux awareness is continually increasing), microsoft may find that more and more office sales are lost to open/libreoffice, windows small business server sales are lost to cheaper linux-powered ready-to-use-out-of-the-box nas systems (such as netgear readynas), access applications will be migrated to quick and dirty lamp solutions, etc.
desktop users/employees will always favor outlook over (insert any number of linux email clients here), but at the end of the day money talks and bullshit walks, and if the boss says the company can't afford to keep upgrading x amount of machines with the latest windows and office bundle every four years, then the employees will fall into line (in that economy jobs will be too scarce for employees to just look for a job elsewhere).
it could be something to do with it also being possible to burn a live distro onto dvd as well as cd. you do realise the conversation is about the ability to load a live distro right? not about the pedantics of optical media acronyms?
i've never seen a radio with station buttons that look like gui radio buttons. it seems like association by a stretch to me, but if anything it highlights why icons should perhaps be disassociated with technology.
why didn't they call them cassette buttons instead? cassette players of old had buttons with similar functionality.
but yeah i was just trolling. what the hell else do people do on slashdot? what was the purpose of your post? of course you weren't trolling so i'm curious to read what sort of other bullshit excuse you have for posting on this site
its funny watching some people use a microsoft access application and get really confused when they can't find the save button (even though there is one). i usually get asked to put a save button on forms even though its not required.
aren't we talking about glyphs/icons? radio buttons don't look like anything to do with a radio. you also managed to completely avoid the question of how they relate to smartphones
the functionality similarity makes sense though, so your point is appreciated, but there's no reading and weeping here. sorry to disappoint
yeah same as those scientific wankers who still use "lasers". everyone knows in the future they will be called "blasters", so we may as well start calling them that now to be trendy
who would put rabbit ears on a tv set anyway? they are disgusting things that breed disease. you should throw them out, except in summer when you might need something to keep the flies away from the bbq
why is undo red and redo green? red is usually associated with something bad and green with something good, but i don't know of any gooderer command than good ol' undo in any program
users feel comfortable with the process of saving manually. its more ergonomics and human factors than progression of technology; technology may be evolving at a great rate of knots, but the beings that use them aren't so much
i think if you fast forward 50 years, icons will be basic symbols like the power button circle with the line through it, or shapes like filled/open squares, colors, etc.
but i think there may be some tech-associated symbols that are retained; a cog literally has nothing to do with modern computers, but they are synonymous with configuration/settings, and i think this will be the case for the foreseeable future
just make sure you cut your hand off and put it through a sterilizer a few times and leave it soak in disinfectant, bleach and sulfuric acid for a week before sowing it back on
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set top boxes, android smartphones & tablets, routers, data centers, supercomputers, render farms, etc.
"In September 2008 Steve Ballmer (Microsoft CEO) claimed 60% of servers run Linux and 40% run Windows Server" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_adoption#Servers]
according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters, even the White House uses Linux, not to mention the likes of Amazon, Novell, Wikipedia, Google, IBM, DreamWorks, CERN, NYSE, London SE, US DoD, etc
just sayin
i don't agree with the way you said it (longwinded, condescending) but i think somewhere in there you said something about linux not being a desktop os, which i think will be true for as long as microsoft doesn't fuck up windows (quite possible, even windows 8 may wind up being as much of a lemon as vista).
microsoft's success isn't related to the quality of their product, but in their early opportunities, mass-marketing and strongarming of oems and retailers.
if i were to bet on the future of operating systems, i would bet that linux will continue to gradully erode into the windows slice of the pie, and all without significant marketing or consumer/vendor lockins, until eventually windows becomes a minor competitor existing to support its legacy applications.
the reason for my bet is that microsoft exists to make a profit, which is ultimately incompatible with the objectives of their business endusers, which is also to make a profit. when business gets tough (an economic depression will inevitably occur), businesses simply won't be able to afford to contribute to microsoft's profit margin at the expense of their own.
if there is a cheaper alternative (even if only in the short term) such as linux, and businesses are aware of it (linux awareness is continually increasing), microsoft may find that more and more office sales are lost to open/libreoffice, windows small business server sales are lost to cheaper linux-powered ready-to-use-out-of-the-box nas systems (such as netgear readynas), access applications will be migrated to quick and dirty lamp solutions, etc.
desktop users/employees will always favor outlook over (insert any number of linux email clients here), but at the end of the day money talks and bullshit walks, and if the boss says the company can't afford to keep upgrading x amount of machines with the latest windows and office bundle every four years, then the employees will fall into line (in that economy jobs will be too scarce for employees to just look for a job elsewhere).
anyway, just my humble and worthless opinion
it could be something to do with it also being possible to burn a live distro onto dvd as well as cd. you do realise the conversation is about the ability to load a live distro right? not about the pedantics of optical media acronyms?
numb nuts
i've never seen a radio with station buttons that look like gui radio buttons. it seems like association by a stretch to me, but if anything it highlights why icons should perhaps be disassociated with technology.
why didn't they call them cassette buttons instead? cassette players of old had buttons with similar functionality.
but yeah i was just trolling. what the hell else do people do on slashdot? what was the purpose of your post? of course you weren't trolling so i'm curious to read what sort of other bullshit excuse you have for posting on this site
Is anybody actually complaining about not being able to recognize the symbolism of current common icon sets?
you must be new here
you have a helicopter mode in your car and she accidentally activated it!?
is that you, 007?
its funny watching some people use a microsoft access application and get really confused when they can't find the save button (even though there is one). i usually get asked to put a save button on forms even though its not required.
good point, and i bet they weren't stupid enough to introduce i before e, except after c, except for the exceptions or when you don't feel like it
aren't we talking about glyphs/icons? radio buttons don't look like anything to do with a radio. you also managed to completely avoid the question of how they relate to smartphones
the functionality similarity makes sense though, so your point is appreciated, but there's no reading and weeping here. sorry to disappoint
i think you're reading into it too much. either that or lmao, good one!
yeah same as those scientific wankers who still use "lasers". everyone knows in the future they will be called "blasters", so we may as well start calling them that now to be trendy
who would put rabbit ears on a tv set anyway? they are disgusting things that breed disease. you should throw them out, except in summer when you might need something to keep the flies away from the bbq
We're not exactly living in star trek yet
speak for yourself
;)
ooooh yeah seven of nine, now where were we
i'm pretty sure you would be violating the eula
i'm just thankful i'm not chinese or japanese. i'll take learning 26 glyphs over kanji anyday.
When watching 'TV' do teenagers still say 'turn' the 'channel'?
can't vouch for teenagers, but my preteen youngsters just just say "daddy, that's not cartoons"
why is undo red and redo green? red is usually associated with something bad and green with something good, but i don't know of any gooderer command than good ol' undo in any program
users feel comfortable with the process of saving manually. its more ergonomics and human factors than progression of technology; technology may be evolving at a great rate of knots, but the beings that use them aren't so much
i think if you fast forward 50 years, icons will be basic symbols like the power button circle with the line through it, or shapes like filled/open squares, colors, etc.
but i think there may be some tech-associated symbols that are retained; a cog literally has nothing to do with modern computers, but they are synonymous with configuration/settings, and i think this will be the case for the foreseeable future
For any unsaved file, replace it with a tiny pic of Sodomy
if you don't save, and there's a blackout or your microsoft software behaves like microsoft software and just dies without warning, you're fucked
what about just basic shapes, like a filled circle for save, a filled square for copy, an open square for paste, etc.
de-associate icons with tech and the problem of being out of date goes out of date
wow! a gui with a cli... that's innovation right there
how the hell do you relate a radio button to a smartphone?
radio buttons (and their check box cousins) aren't linked to technology; they are to software as a dollar sign is to financials
you morons aren't actually assuming that a radio button has anything to do with an actual radio are you? that would be just sad
toejam... sounds like a warner bothers film
I have yet to shake his hand
just make sure you cut your hand off and put it through a sterilizer a few times and leave it soak in disinfectant, bleach and sulfuric acid for a week before sowing it back on
why didn't samzenpus post using his nick. pretty obvious that whoever published the story posted the comment (within a minute).
mind you when i saw the title the first thing i thought of was that it was caused by bad toe cheese. he's never gonna live that down.
i don't have ay respect for rms, but you can't really knock the software he wrote back in the stone ages.
rms wrote some nice software... years ago. now he's just a freak.