android is linux... i never claimed it wasn't... nice try though
the linux part of android is what helps its security... it may be possible to infect the android application layer (dalvik) of the operating system, but the kernel underneath is 'datacenter grade' bulletproof as a kernel can be
if there were really any threat to the kernel, the problem would be much more widespread than just android because as you say the kernel is common to all (albeit in some cases with minor modifications)... which was kinda the point of my original comment:)
i don't know how to "[deactivate] UAC" and i don't run with an admin account and windows update is automatic, but alas i still need a virus scanner and even then windows seems to be prone to viruses and malware
i also don't surf porn sites on a windows machine because that would be just asking for trouble.... i save that for my linux machine that i know won't be at risk:)
one upon a time it was consensus that the earth was flat
i'm not arguing that perpetual motion is possible... i'm just not shortsighted enough to subscribe to the religious belief that its impossible based solely on our forever limited understanding of the universe
obviously you don't know what attacking a traw man actually means
from wikipedia:
"To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position"
or perhaps i have a valid reason, but you don't want to believe that's possible
if you had a valid reason you would have offered it already, even if for no other reason than to rub it in my face
i actually agree somewhat with the op that imposing occasional limits on communication can force a little more thought into what is communicated.
there are many corporate reports, news articles and even books that could be halved if rewritten more concisely.
i've seen plenty of thick engineering reports that are full of numbers and pretty charts that could be replaced with a simple hand calc on a single sheet of paper. emergency services radio communication is another area where short concise messages are essential over longwinded waffle. another area where being concise is beneficial is debating.
twitter is definitely for twits, but nitpicking twitter merely because of a character limit is flawed.
don't know what you were doing to get so many bugs in linux... datacenters full of linux blades run for years without any problems and with very little (software) maintenance except occasional security updates
i don't run a data center, but i do use multiple linux machines (a web server, a couple of linux nas boxes and my normal work machine) and i raraely if ever have problems. linux does encourage you to become less ignorant with regard to computers and software, and i can understand how that can be bad for those who "just want it to work" so there is merit to sticking with what you know, but many people who claim linux is hard to use need to be reminded of how much vested interest they have in windows... how many years has it taken to get to know how to use windows? how many problems have you battled through? how many times have you had to call a mate or colleague over to help with something? for my own kids growing up with access to linux and windows, they will find the two operating systems similar but different, but neither more difficult than the other.
if you install linux from a testing or experimental repository you're likely to get some problems, but that comes with the territory
if you run windows games on wine there are often problems, but wine is advancing in leaps and strides so make sure your version of wine is up to date and be sure to look up winetricks
if you expect linux to behave like windows and anything that behaves differently is a 'bug', or you found linux hard to get running because you couldn't install some adobe or autodesk product directly off its install cd (with or without wine) then you're better off with windows
i think the issue surrounding "forced upgrades" is more to do with buying a new computer, which most often will only come with the latest version of windows, which means in many cases you need to upgrade other software (such as many programs requiring xp sp2, rendering windows 98 obsolete, and the new windows 98 ecosystem bullshit)
regarding win mobile and surface... wtf was microsoft smoking?
windows' biggest problem has always been viruses and malware, not bugs and blue screens
windows 7 is less likely to get infected out of the box than windows 98, but mac os (and linux) won't get infected out of the box (due to enforcement of filesystem permissions), and that's the difference
how is doing what's already been successfully exploited by apple going to make microsoft any kind of market leader?...microsoft needs to be thinking ahead of the game to be in it
exactly... there aren't many mortgage terms that can't be summed up along the lines of "we'll give you $x for you to buy a house, and till the day you repay your loan fully we, The Bank, own your ass"
Well if you give me concrete examples i'll tell you exactly why. Hint: it's not the answer you gave.
i'm not going to bother building a straw man for you to flame... you will ultimately think whatever i come up with that doesn't support your choice is wrong even if its not... that's what makes a fanboi
i don't really have anything against apple products except their prices... if they were more competitively priced i would probably buy them, but i wouldn't ever spend extra money for a brand or perceived quality of a brand (every brand has dud batches regardless of how much you pay)
the japanese paved the way for and excel in quality control, including lean manufacturing, so if you were really concerned about quality and value for money, you would be buying devices manufactured in japan (such as toshiba)
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android is linux... i never claimed it wasn't... nice try though
the linux part of android is what helps its security... it may be possible to infect the android application layer (dalvik) of the operating system, but the kernel underneath is 'datacenter grade' bulletproof as a kernel can be
if there were really any threat to the kernel, the problem would be much more widespread than just android because as you say the kernel is common to all (albeit in some cases with minor modifications)... which was kinda the point of my original comment :)
i don't know how to "[deactivate] UAC" and i don't run with an admin account and windows update is automatic, but alas i still need a virus scanner and even then windows seems to be prone to viruses and malware
i also don't surf porn sites on a windows machine because that would be just asking for trouble.... i save that for my linux machine that i know won't be at risk :)
how's the kool aid fool?
doh!
consensus doesn't prove or disprove anything
one upon a time it was consensus that the earth was flat
i'm not arguing that perpetual motion is possible... i'm just not shortsighted enough to subscribe to the religious belief that its impossible based solely on our forever limited understanding of the universe
sure sure... but no more gullible than anyone else either so your point (whatever it was) is kinda moot
remember those huge server mobos... wow those were the days
all the other linux distros seem to be able to manage
exploitation of an app is only a problem if the operating system enables an exploited app to infect the rest of the system
yeah cos we keep hearing about how all these linux datacenters keep getting hacked and infected by viruses and malware
it's a total disaster :)
i'd rather android malware than windows malware... at least android malware isn't going to tank the whole system
can you imagine the security epidemic faced by routers and set top boxes that never get updated... omg its the end of linux!
obviously you don't know what attacking a traw man actually means
from wikipedia:
"To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position"
or perhaps i have a valid reason, but you don't want to believe that's possible
if you had a valid reason you would have offered it already, even if for no other reason than to rub it in my face
well they haven't been disproven, not even by the laws of thermodynamics
yeah cos the chinese would be too dumb to think of that
i actually agree somewhat with the op that imposing occasional limits on communication can force a little more thought into what is communicated.
there are many corporate reports, news articles and even books that could be halved if rewritten more concisely.
i've seen plenty of thick engineering reports that are full of numbers and pretty charts that could be replaced with a simple hand calc on a single sheet of paper.
emergency services radio communication is another area where short concise messages are essential over longwinded waffle.
another area where being concise is beneficial is debating.
twitter is definitely for twits, but nitpicking twitter merely because of a character limit is flawed.
another two: defense and litigation
don't know what you were doing to get so many bugs in linux... datacenters full of linux blades run for years without any problems and with very little (software) maintenance except occasional security updates
i don't run a data center, but i do use multiple linux machines (a web server, a couple of linux nas boxes and my normal work machine) and i raraely if ever have problems. linux does encourage you to become less ignorant with regard to computers and software, and i can understand how that can be bad for those who "just want it to work" so there is merit to sticking with what you know, but many people who claim linux is hard to use need to be reminded of how much vested interest they have in windows... how many years has it taken to get to know how to use windows? how many problems have you battled through? how many times have you had to call a mate or colleague over to help with something? for my own kids growing up with access to linux and windows, they will find the two operating systems similar but different, but neither more difficult than the other.
if you install linux from a testing or experimental repository you're likely to get some problems, but that comes with the territory
if you run windows games on wine there are often problems, but wine is advancing in leaps and strides so make sure your version of wine is up to date and be sure to look up winetricks
if you expect linux to behave like windows and anything that behaves differently is a 'bug', or you found linux hard to get running because you couldn't install some adobe or autodesk product directly off its install cd (with or without wine) then you're better off with windows
i think the issue surrounding "forced upgrades" is more to do with buying a new computer, which most often will only come with the latest version of windows, which means in many cases you need to upgrade other software (such as many programs requiring xp sp2, rendering windows 98 obsolete, and the new windows 98 ecosystem bullshit)
regarding win mobile and surface... wtf was microsoft smoking?
windows' biggest problem has always been viruses and malware, not bugs and blue screens
windows 7 is less likely to get infected out of the box than windows 98, but mac os (and linux) won't get infected out of the box (due to enforcement of filesystem permissions), and that's the difference
people don't "buy" windows... they buy a pc with windows preinstalled
if pcs and operating systems were sold independently, windows would suck as a product
marketing and easy and ready availability to the masses is essential to the success of any product
No-one buys cheap, crappy brands if they can afford something better.
...spoken like a true apple fanboi
how is doing what's already been successfully exploited by apple going to make microsoft any kind of market leader? ...microsoft needs to be thinking ahead of the game to be in it
hp do make decent printers, and simply installing hplip from repos makes printing on a hp printer from linux a breeze
maybe now comapnies won't keep investing in shitty dell blade servers for their linux data centers
exactly... there aren't many mortgage terms that can't be summed up along the lines of "we'll give you $x for you to buy a house, and till the day you repay your loan fully we, The Bank, own your ass"
you answered your own question dipshit.... because "OEMs include their software" and "governments use their software"
why else would anyone pay to bribe someone? sheesh
Well if you give me concrete examples i'll tell you exactly why. Hint: it's not the answer you gave.
i'm not going to bother building a straw man for you to flame... you will ultimately think whatever i come up with that doesn't support your choice is wrong even if its not... that's what makes a fanboi
i don't really have anything against apple products except their prices... if they were more competitively priced i would probably buy them, but i wouldn't ever spend extra money for a brand or perceived quality of a brand (every brand has dud batches regardless of how much you pay)
the japanese paved the way for and excel in quality control, including lean manufacturing, so if you were really concerned about quality and value for money, you would be buying devices manufactured in japan (such as toshiba)