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Fragmentation Leads To Android Insecurities

Rick Zeman writes "The Washington Post writes about how vendor fragmentation leads to security vulnerabilities and other exploits. This situation is '...making the world's most popular mobile operating system more vulnerable than its rivals to hackers, scam artists and a growing universe of malicious software' unlike Apple's iOS which they note has widely available updates several times a year. In light of many companies' Bring Your Own Device initiatives 'You have potentially millions of Androids making their way into the work space, accessing confidential documents,' said Christopher Soghoian, a former Federal Trade Commission technology expert who now works for the American Civil Liberties Union. 'It's like a really dry forest, and it's just waiting for a match.'"

318 comments

  1. Or... by MrDoh! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    iOS is a single target, get one sploit that works, you know it'll work on all of them. The recent exnyos sploit only worked on some Samsung chips. So.. hackers have more devices to attempt to hack! Though all this is a waste of time if people use non-standard app stores and/or download warez, then what do they really expect?

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    1. Re:Or... by ahabswhale · · Score: 4, Informative

      Android phones rarely get updated. About half of all Android users are still running 2.3 or earlier and the uptake for new versions is glacially slow. This makes android extremely vulnerable. If someone discovers an attack for 2.x, it's game over for millions of phones. Android also has a leaky walled garden that allows users to easily bypass the Google Play store and go to any market place they may choose. Hell, it's not even unusual to find infected apps in the official Google Play store.

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    2. Re:Or... by DerekLyons · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Though all this is a waste of time if people use non-standard app stores and/or download warez, then what do they really expect?

      It's funny.... when Apple or Microsoft comes up, all the highly rated comments are about how Android lets you escape the walled garden and get your apps wherever you want from whomever you want. But let the story be about malware and security problems with Android - and all of the sudden it's the users fault for going outside the walled garden.

    3. Re:Or... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      nexus one user, here. cm7.2 is 2.3.7

      likely, that will be all it ever runs.

      shame and pity that google designed this. they farked it up. would you tolerate a linux distro that ended just a few years after it started?

      that's how I feel. abandoned.

      I run linux hardware (x86) that is recent and I also have 10 yr old systems that are just fine (thanks) and I continue to get linux updates for them.

      but not android.

      stupid google. seriously. why do people give google a pass on shit like this? we would not put up with this on regular desk/server linux.

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    4. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So what? I don't remember anyone saying that you'd be safe running every single random apk, just because you can.

      Freedom can come with risk, in nearly anything. I prefer to be able to choose. Just a personal preference.

    5. Re:Or... by mjwx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Though all this is a waste of time if people use non-standard app stores and/or download warez, then what do they really expect?

      It's funny.... when Apple or Microsoft comes up, all the highly rated comments are about how Android lets you escape the walled garden and get your apps wherever you want from whomever you want. But let the story be about malware and security problems with Android - and all of the sudden it's the users fault for going outside the walled garden.

      When given responsibility, people are expected to be responsible for themselves.

      Shock Horror.

      Whenever there is a thread on viruses for Mac's, Mac Fanboys always blame the user as malware is only found in pirated programs. Whilst this is not strictly true in any modern OS (OS X, Windows or Linux) almost all malware these days is (knowingly or unknowingly) installed by the user.

      The equivalent on relying on "walled gardens" for security is like trying to cut road accidents by mandating that people can only buy white Automatic Camry's with speed limiters. This ignores the fact that you can still crash a speed limited auto camry if you have no fecking clue how to drive.

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    6. Re:Or... by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      iOS is a single target, get one sploit that works, you know it'll work on all of them.

      The recent exnyos sploit only worked on some Samsung chips.

      So.. hackers have more devices to attempt to hack!

      Though all this is a waste of time if people use non-standard app stores and/or download warez, then what do they really expect?

      To be fair, a couple of exploits have slipped into the Android Market over time, but by and large you are correct, it is the dodgy pirate black market where users hope they can avoid paying the 99 cents charged in the legitimate market where you are likely to get hacked.

      Yet these stories, always couched in terms of "fragmentation" and "malware" always show up in the press whenever Apple needs a little diversion.

      Fragmentation, because apple wants you to think that only a monolithic OS is safe. The variety of the Android world scares them to death.

      Malware, because the they want to put the fear of alternative markets into the buying public. The emergence of alternative markets scares apple to death.

      So every 3 or 4 months Apple plants these stories in the press. And every time, there is, predictable, absolutely ZERO outbreak of malware, except for the same patter of cheesy hacks found on Chinese websites by people looking to save a buck.

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    7. Re:Or... by crutchy · · Score: 2

      can you imagine the security epidemic faced by routers and set top boxes that never get updated... omg its the end of linux!

    8. Re:Or... by crutchy · · Score: 1

      i'd rather android malware than windows malware... at least android malware isn't going to tank the whole system

    9. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Nexus One doesn't have enough space to support higher versions of Android. What do you want? It just can't do it. Just like you can't run Ubuntu on a 286.

    10. Re:Or... by Swampash · · Score: 1

      To be fair, a couple of exploits have slipped into the Android Market over time

      Yes, in the sense that Apple is not on the verge of bankruptcy.

    11. Re:Or... by an+unsound+mind · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This does not change the fact that a lot of Android phones are running vastly outdated versions of their firmware with several known security holes - and the people owning these phones do not have the option of updating their phones.

      Android is insecure, because of two factors - the manufacturers frequently simply don't give their users a way to update, and because the system requirements of the OS keep rising at an absurd pace, making many older phones incompatible with later releases of the OS.

    12. Re:Or... by dido · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, I dunno. I kind of like having the choice of whether to stay in the walled garden or go outside every now and then at my discretion because I'd like to think that I know what I'm doing most of the time. Let's rephrase that a little: If someone decides to go outside the walled garden, well then, their security becomes their responsibility right? Perfectly reasonable thing if you asked me. Trouble is Apple doesn't like giving anyone this kind of choice, and that kinda makes you feel they're still trying to exercise ownership over your device even though you've paid them their ridiculous profit margins for it.

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    13. Re:Or... by denmarkw00t · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mod parent up. iOS is a single platform, but new releases (major, point, all) are adopted relatively quickly, and support long lines on the hardware end. Android, however, is slow moving in upgrade adoption - while ICS or JB might have security fixes, most devices are stuck on Gingerbread with no apparent upgrade path from vendors. And, even when Google release major updates, and even if your phone is very capable, odds are you're locked out of doing anything yourself by the manufacturer (or in some cases by your carrier - gf's Xperia had "Untrusted Apps" disabled and locked from being enabled, that's an AT&T "feature").

    14. Re:Or... by limaCAT76 · · Score: 1

      i'd rather android malware than windows malware... at least android malware isn't going to tank the whole system

      You know, you could always stop deactivating UAC, stop running with admin account and start auto updating your PCs with windows update for those worms that affect windows services.

    15. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My router has been updated at least four times within the past 6 months. A router that is not getting updates is a security problem, as it controls everything about your internet access...

    16. Re:Or... by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is no epidemic of exploits.
      Most doors can be opened with a bump key. But that isn't happening either.

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    17. Re:Or... by limaCAT76 · · Score: 1

      can you imagine the security epidemic faced by routers and set top boxes that never get updated... omg its the end of linux!

      Yup, it's the Morris Worm days all over again!

    18. Re:Or... by denmarkw00t · · Score: 0

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    19. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fragmentation, because apple wants you to think that only a monolithic OS is safe. The variety of the Android world scares them to death.

      I suspect that you are referring to the various App Stores, but the variety of Android is the only thing saving Apple. There is not a single consistent experience that people can depend on, which normal people really do want. Amusingly, Amazon is stealing the show from Google because of this.

      Every single person that I know that has switched from Android to a different OS has done so because of the general lack of support from manufacturers following the phone's release, which is then compounded by the carriers followed by Google's lack of caring beyond toothless public statements.

    20. Re:Or... by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      Oh, I dunno. I kind of like having the choice of whether to stay in the walled garden or go outside every now and then at my discretion because I'd like to think that I know what I'm doing most of the time.

      Absolutely, kind of like Amsterdam, it's always there if I want it. Similarly I know the Android garden of infinite delight is always there. And if I ever feel like bending over and getting reamed I'll leave the walled garden. Just knowing its possible makes me feel so much better.

      (Tongue firmly in cheek)

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    21. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      screwed up mod

    22. Re:Or... by icebike · · Score: 1

      That's nonsense. People don't switch from android because their phones don't look like everyone elses.
      People only use one phone, they could care less that their neighbor's phone is slightly different.
      I don't know a single person who has switched from android to another OS. It's always the other way around.

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    23. Re:Or... by thegarbz · · Score: 3

      Hell, it's not even unusual to find infected apps in the official Google Play store.

      Citation Needed.

      Not a one off either. You said it's not unusual so please link us to the this supposed endemic problem in Google's Play Store.

    24. Re:Or... by happymellon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You mean like the Android humble bundles?

    25. Re:Or... by DKlineburg · · Score: 1

      I'm leaving. Because I can't upgrade. Verizon has told me my phone will never get the new OS. I guess it is because it can't support it, but I don't like being stuck with an old OS I can't patch. Yes I don't care what it looks like. I care what is on it.

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    26. Re:Or... by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      iOS is also an easy platform to fix. All those android users stuck on gingerbread will be on that for the life if the device. You can hit them over and over.

    27. Re:Or... by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Some of us didn't give the poor experience a pass and moved away from Android. More people need to do that and let google know we think it's shit.

    28. Re:Or... by icebike · · Score: 1

      They will give you a new phone every other year for pete sake!

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    29. Re:Or... by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Except android fucks it up and makes it so choosing your freedom is more dangerous. I can have any app I want too on iPhone by jail breaking my iPhone which requires some effort but then again some carriers lock down android.

    30. Re:Or... by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      I take it you have proof that Apple plants these stories. Otherwise you'd look like a tit.

    31. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How so? You didn't seriously think it's the same people posting, did you? ..... Insightful,my ass.

    32. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't remember anyone saying that you'd be safe running every single random apk

      The dangers of hosts files? :-)

    33. Re:Or... by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 5, Informative

      You should be aware of a new feature of Android that hasn't really gotten a lot of press, but is the solution to this problem: the latest upgrade of the "Play store" (market) includes something called "Google Play Services". This new app takes care of upgrading and patching all Google-produced apps (system apps, YouTube, browser, camera, etc.). It is back-ported both to Gingerbread and Froyo. It applies security patches and upgrades without needing user intervention, as I understand it.

      TL;DR: You may not be able to upgrade your Gingerbread phone to ICS, but Google still patches known vulns on your system.

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    34. Re:Or... by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When given responsibility, people are expected to be responsible for themselves.

      The corollary is that it is IRRESPONSIBLE to give the masses a technology where it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to be responsible.

      If Android were just being marketed at technical users, that would be one thing. But to claim it's superior because it allows so much more freedom than most non-technical people can realistically control, and then pushing it on those same people. is borderline criminal.

      The iOS model is far superior. Technical users able to properly manage an open system are also able to fully unlock the system. But the default shipping mode is safe for people with little technical aptitude.

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    35. Re:Or... by DrXym · · Score: 1

      It's only really vulnerable if the person operating the phone is filling it with warez. If they just get their apps from the official store their exposure is fairly minimal.

    36. Re:Or... by nonicknameavailable · · Score: 2

      one big problem wp8 and ios are too locked in and comes from two companies i do not trust

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    37. Re:Or... by nonicknameavailable · · Score: 0

      jailbreaking your iphone in usa is against the law

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    38. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mac fans forget that Mac classics DID have viruses. WDEF and CDEF were desktop viruses that would damage the floppy disk inserted into the drive to the point where certain programs could not be launched. Programs like Symatec AntiVirus for Mac could be used to clean those viruses, but a Mac with no antivirus could get infected with a virus.

    39. Re:Or... by Count+Dante · · Score: 4, Informative

      jailbreaking your iphone in usa is against the law

      Nope, unlocking your phone is - which is different to jailbreaking.

    40. Re:Or... by DKlineburg · · Score: 1

      If i spent a lot of money on a high end device because I planned on keeping it for more than a year, I wasted my money. Because my high end device is no longer secure. I my not want there free cheaper phone.

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    41. Re:Or... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Bullshit. The problem is Android's notion of a system application. These are things that can't be uninstalled and must be on the internal storage. Some of these really are system services, but others are just shovelware. The 512MB on the Nexus One is more than adequate for a more recent Android, if you move some of the non-essential crap onto the SD card. The Nexus One came with a 4GB SD card and supports up to 32GB, so there's no reason not to do this, except that then you'd be able to uninstall some of the Google stuff.

      This model, by the way, is especially wasteful because often these system components need updating, and due to the design of the Android filesystem layout they can't overwrite the old components, so you end up having to have two copies of a load of stuff installed, and you can't delete the unused one even though that's the one on the smaller storage device...

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    42. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What.

      You get same security - minus screening by Google - if you switch on third party installations. And then you can still get screening by choosing Amazon or Opera or whichever alternative store you want. It doesn't affect permission system.

      iOS's security until recently was based mostly on Apple's approval - Internet and personal details access was granted to every application installed. Apple greenlighted it, it must be all good, yes? Just google for "path ios scandal", for example. Jailbreaking used to be able to make iOS _more_ secure with third party firewalls and other interesting stuff.

    43. Re:Or... by an+unsound+mind · · Score: 2

      I already switched. I used Android, but I grew very tired of the dearth of OS updates - I was stuck on 2.2 despite buying my device when 2.3 was already out - and the poor selection and difficulty of browsing of the Market. Where the market has vastly improved and things like the Humble Bundle have significantly improved the selection, the phones ain't getting updated any more frequently.

      And if Google doesn't bite the bullet and make it mandatory for manufacturers and carriers to provide updates, Android stays off the list of mobile operating systems I'm willing to consider.

    44. Re:Or... by icebike · · Score: 1

      Not secure?
      So some one has broken into your phone?
      Or you want to install any crapware you find on some sleazy Chinese website, and still be held harmless for your own actions.

      There is no perfect phone.

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    45. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The iOS model is far superior. Technical users able to properly manage an open system are also able to fully unlock the system.

      I assume you mean jailbreaking, which involves voiding the warranty and installing an OS from an untrusted 3rd party.
      No, I wouldn't call that superior.

    46. Re:Or... by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      Well, you can always use Cyanogenmod or Leedroid, or many other alternatives. Your existing apps would continue to work, and you can use your SD card to expand the space for apps.

      Just try that with a Winphone!

      TRWTF is that fragmentation is the best defense against malware! Fragmentation guarantees one malware won't fit all!

      Or maybe Ford should only make the model T because anything else would confuse the market? (Beat that, bad-analogy-guy!)

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    47. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Technical users hoping for Apple to miss an exploitable bug or two and, thanks to Copyright Office, in US being able to legally jailbreak iPhone, but not iPad.

      Superior, right.

      It's not "default mode". It's only intended mode.

      I say, Internet's pretty unsafe for non-technical people, and we're just giving them more freedom than they can be responsible for with unfettered access. We should implement a country-wide whitelist, and technical people can always fully unlock it with an out of country VPS.

    48. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    49. Re:Or... by moronoxyd · · Score: 0

      Android phones rarely get updated.

      I call BS.
      ALL my Android devices (3 phones, 3 tablets) got at least 1 major and several small official updates.

      What's true is that sometimes it takes a long time until major updates are released.

    50. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take a look at this

      http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/02/two-year-old-phone-receives-15-month-old-software-update/

      even when you get the update, it's still out of date. That's real BS

    51. Re:Or... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      I posted yesterday about there being a ROM for the Nexus running Ubuntu, and there being numerous ROMs available on XDA-Developers for many different Android releases, all the way up to unofficial CM10 nightly builds compiled specifically for the Nexus.

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    52. Re:Or... by tuppe666 · · Score: 2

      Some of us didn't give the poor experience a pass and moved away from Android. More people need to do that and let google know we think it's shit.

      Some of us didn't like being treated like a criminal, and locked out of its hardware, forced to use proprietary [and I locked to ituned] software, and hardware, with it being stuck in incremental versions of both, found the loving arms of Android with offered arguably better hardware; software; standards and value.

      Want to buy my broken iPhone :)

    53. Re:Or... by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 2

      Firefox and Ubuntu phones are coming and there's blackberry.

    54. Re:Or... by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      iTunes music is dorm free but not that it matters. None of my content comes from iTunes. The only real lock is apps which I could get elsewhere if I jail broke it but I can't be bothered just like I couldn't be bothered to flash android. It's a phone, not my desktop, and if they won't upgrade it then I'll go elsewhere and over all iOS does provide a better experience. Hopefully Ubuntu phone will be as good as it looks and then I can move to that but now I'll take the app limitation if it means a better level of quality and security.

    55. Re: Or... by limaxray · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There is nothing wasteful or unusual about Android's file system, it is perfectly normal for an embedded system like a phone. The objective is to make the device as durable as possible, immune to improper shutdown, negligent users, and other such things. For this purpose the core bits are on a partition mounted RO, with the user data stored on a separate partition. Generally the way you'd update such systems is to replace the entire RFS, but since that would require the OEMs efforts, Android uses the system it does. Maybe it's not ideal, but we can update a good amount of functionality without having to worry about battery pulls bricking the phone. Complaining that your old, early generation phone doesn't support the newest software is ridiculous. We are with mobile devices where we we with PCs 15+ years ago. You are running a 486 in an age of Pentiums. Not only does the Nexus One lack storage, it has a slow SoC and only 512 MB of memory. And, IMHO, it was the biggest pile of dog shit to wear the Nexus title (yes I've owned one).

    56. Re:Or... by synapse7 · · Score: 1

      I get pissed that I need to jump through two hoops just to get out of the walled garden. Maybe my tastes do not lead me to malware, but i have yet to see any in the wild. I've seen older gingerbread devices loaded down with an impressive amount of shitty front end apps, so much I felt relieved for the phone after a wipe, but I couldn't say that any of it was malicious or tracks users any more than Google probably already does.

    57. Re:Or... by peragrin · · Score: 1

      yea but that's for the nexus. now how about the other 200 models of android phones that were built with in a year of the original nexus that haven't had a single update?

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    58. Re:Or... by MeNeXT · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up. iOS is a single platform, but new releases (major, point, all) are adopted relatively quickly

      I know of more than one iPhone that has never been connected to a computer. I know I'm just one person but these statistics that we see all over the net are based on people who connect to something mainly an account on iTunes. What if someone doesn't care about apps and iTunes? To say that most upgrade is very far fetched.

      On the other hand a Nexus will upgrade over the air but it still needs the user to be connected to the internet and agree. The problem in this scenario is the user, the manufacturer and/or the carrier and not an OS issue.

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    59. Re: Or... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      It's perfectly normal for an embedded system. It is not normal, or sensible, for a general-purpose computing device. It is certainly not sensible for a thing that needs to receive regular security updates to have most of the (vulnerable) code in read-only storage.

      And complaining that a 1GHz phone with 512MB of RAM is underpowered is ridiculous. It has far more horsepower than you need to run 4.1, it's only some of the newer apps that will struggle. I had a laptop with worse specs that ran far more demanding applications than anything I'd run no a mobile phone.

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    60. Re:Or... by davidbrit2 · · Score: 1

      It's almost as if there are two subsets of the population, both with differing opinions.

    61. Re:Or... by bartron · · Score: 5, Informative

      If someone is using an iPhone, at some point it was connected to iTunes to activate it (or it wouldn't be working).

      That used to be the case but you can activate and iPhone or iPad without iTunes these days and never ever hook it up to a host computer.

    62. Re:Or... by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Well, it depends - for instance, Cyanogenmod doesn't buy you upgradability. While I like my Android I made the mistake of buying a Samsung. The specs are nice but Samsung offers zero support to the homebrew community. The CM devs have all but given up on getting out a stable version of JB for it because they have no idea how the SoC works and Samsung isn't going to make a JB kernel available.

      It is true that Apple devices more reliably offer you a good upgrade path. Of course Apple devices are also very expensive and don't give you as much control. It's a tradeoff between having little hope for upgrades beyond the currently used major version of Android and having little control over your device.

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    63. Re:Or... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      All forums on XDA Developers

      The list comes to around 42 A4 pages of devices. There's a handy search box at the top if you don't want to look through the whole list :)

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    64. Re:Or... by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Android has only been out for four and a half years.. and you've already accumulated six android devices?

      Do they break easily or something?

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    65. Re:Or... by kthreadd · · Score: 1

      Isn't this the same strategy MS used? Get the OS out the door quickly. Shit on security, we can think about that later, what matters is market share.

      Unlike Android all installations of Windows bundled by OEMs are able to use Windows Update directly to Microsoft.

    66. Re:Or... by kthreadd · · Score: 2

      Interesting. Does that include system components as well, like the kernel?

    67. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You cannot undo it by posting anonymously...

    68. Re:Or... by fredprado · · Score: 2

      It is quite possible for the masses to be responsible. The number of android phones is going up and well and most people are quite happy with them. Seem to me that this malware doom is severely overblown.

    69. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not Google. It's the manufacturer/carrier that don't push the updates.

      If it's that big of an issue, root it.

    70. Re:Or... by Dancindan84 · · Score: 2

      most devices are stuck on Gingerbread with no apparent upgrade path from vendors.

      Highlighting the part that I find most relevant. The problem isn't Android per se, it's vendors that lock you out of getting the most recent (security) updates to the OS. The play store has services that will keep even Gingerbread patched against known vulnerabilities (see comment 42829985). If your vendor blocks you from using that... time to pick a new vendor.

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    71. Re:Or... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Most doors can be opened with a bump key. But that isn't happening either.

      Most doors can't be opened with a bump key in mass numbers from the comfort of your own home, or a McDonalds near you.

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    72. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF? how do you get unapproved apps on an idevice?
      developer licence tricks do not count.

    73. Re:Or... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      That facility didn't even come into existence until decades after the plaform beceme a malware magnet.

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    74. Re:Or... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > iTunes music is dorm free ...which is only relevant if you are stuck in an approach to your phone that predates any of the smartphones.

      MP3's are so 90s.

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    75. Re:Or... by stenvar · · Score: 1

      That's how I let Apple know that I think iOS is "shit": I stopped buying from them.

    76. Re:Or... by stenvar · · Score: 2

      Given that Android phones are usually a lot cheaper than iPhones, people can upgrade by buying a new phone and still come out ahead financially.

    77. Re:Or... by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      With a rooted phone this is no longer a problem. There's an app called Link2SD in the Play Store, and among other things, it allows you to integrate those system app updates into the original system, overwriting the older, unused one.
      There are other space saving things it does, most of which only work if your phone is rooted.
      I'm also working on a little app myself that will save a lot of space on the internal storage, but it's pretty low on my priority list right now.

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    78. Re:Or... by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 2

      Choosing your freedom is *always* more dangerous. That doesn't mean you shouldn't do it, though.....

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    79. Re:Or... by kthreadd · · Score: 1

      If we're talking that far back we could just as well talk about the RPM hell that Linux was.

    80. Re:Or... by Dragonslicer · · Score: 2

      That facility didn't even come into existence until decades after the plaform beceme a malware magnet.

      Decades? Windows Update was available for Windows 95 and Windows 98. I don't think Windows was a malware magnet in the late 1970's.

      Don't take this as a defense of Microsoft in any way, but merely a correction in the interest of accuracy.

    81. Re:Or... by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

      That facility didn't even come into existence until decades after the plaform beceme a malware magnet.

      To be fair, it's only been viable since the (relatively) widespread adoption of broadband.

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    82. Re:Or... by RaceProUK · · Score: 2

      Interesting. Does that include system components as well, like the kernel?

      That depends more on the device maker/carrier than Google.

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    83. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Insightful? This? You do realize that it actually requires steps from the user to be able to install apps from other sources, right? That Apple tried to prevent technical users from unlocking iOS devices?

    84. Re:Or... by jadv · · Score: 0

      Technical users hoping for Apple to miss an exploitable bug or two and, thanks to Copyright Office, in US being able to legally jailbreak iPhone, but not iPad.

      Superior, right.

      It's not "default mode". It's only intended mode.

      I say, Internet's pretty unsafe for non-technical people, and we're just giving them more freedom than they can be responsible for with unfettered access. We should implement a country-wide whitelist, and technical people can always fully unlock it with an out of country VPS.

      Now, wouldn't that be an inroad for censorship?

    85. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not impossible for them to be responsible. In fact, it's actually the default that they aren't able to install apps from outside sources.

    86. Re: Or... by horza · · Score: 1

      It's perfectly normal for an embedded system. It is not normal, or sensible, for a general-purpose computing device. It is certainly not sensible for a thing that needs to receive regular security updates to have most of the (vulnerable) code in read-only storage.

      Seems sensible to me. Malware infects r/w core, phone is useless unless the user knows how to reflash the firmware. With r/o core, user does factory reset and then ota updates to apply latest patches.

      There have also been plenty of normal general-purpose computing devices with the OS r/o. The Acorn Archimedes had the whole OS distributed on ROM. Even though more powerful, and hence expensive, than the Intel PCs at the time, putting the OS on ROM made it a big hit in education. Made it impossible for malware or mischief to put it into a state you couldn't recover from.

      Phillip.

    87. Re:Or... by dwpro · · Score: 2

      I think superiority is in the eye of the beholder. You value security over freedom. Not everyone shares your views.

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    88. Re:Or... by zieroh · · Score: 1

      Of late, you can activate an iPhone with no computer connection. You can also update the OS over the air, with no computer connection. And, of course, you can buy (and update) apps with no computer connection. The iPhone is now, for all intents and purposes, a standalone device.

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    89. Re:Or... by kthreadd · · Score: 2

      OK, I guess that means that there are some vulnerabilities that Google can't patch.

    90. Re:Or... by kdogg73 · · Score: 1

      You must be new here.

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    91. Re:Or... by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      Given that Android phones are usually a lot cheaper than iPhones, people can upgrade by buying a new phone and still come out ahead financially.

      The environment thanks you for this wonderful continuation of the notion that electronics should be cheap and disposable. /sarcasm

      Yes, you're advocating their disposal (or recycling, which still has costs) because if it's not secure enough for you to keep using it, and you can't update it, it would be utterly selfish/irresponsible to sell or pass it on to someone else.

      Every single iPhone I've personally had or managed at work (about a dozen) is still in use and updated to the latest iOS with all its security fixes. My 2009 iPhone 3GS is now on its third owner.

    92. Re:Or... by Stalks · · Score: 1

      Windows Update was originally just a website. During Windows 95 days the user had to pro-actively visit the site to get updates.

      It wasn't until a while after Windows 98 was released that a notification tool became available that checked for available updates. But thats all it did, it just "notified", and it required the user to download it from the Windows Update website.

      Windows ME was the first to have built-in automatic updates.

    93. Re:Or... by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      They have been saying "one system, one exploit!" for over eleven years now - and OS X still stands, unbroken, a Unix with a happy face on.

      iOS has been out for five years, and still stands, unbroken.

      You have to concede at some point that Apple built unbreakable OSes. Sure, at some time in the future, quantum computers could crack all the locks. And an asteroid absolutely must hit at some point and kill us all. But. Windows exploits number in the millions, Android is barely keeping clean - they are demonstrably broken.

      If you want a clean Android phone, get the Google Nexus 4 - it's updated by the originator of the standard, who has a market to uphold.

      As for Windows- my God. I won't let a Win box on my network. It's Patient Zero through Ten Million.

    94. Re:Or... by ahabswhale · · Score: 1

      Except for the fact that infected apps are found in the Google Play store as well.

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    95. Re:Or... by ahabswhale · · Score: 1

      Then explain why half of all Android devices are still on Gingerbread or earlier. Seriously, this problem is so well known it's just a truism at this point. I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab that will never make it to ICS or later because Samsung doesn't give a shit.

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    96. Re:Or... by Reapman · · Score: 1

      Been an Android user since leaving my iPhone 3G after a year. Zero infections on my devices (rooted and unlocked, mind you) - Parents are on droid, haven't had to deinfect their phones yet. GF runs Android. No infections. Tablets.... no infections.

      Sure, it's possible I'm infected and don't even know it, but then again I also can run tools that tell me what apps are doing (plus I'm warned what they are doing before they install) - can the same be said for iOS? Are you 100% sure Apples caught every security issue? Because I remember a few issues with the App store of theirs making the news..

    97. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By default Android users are set to use the walled garden approach. You can enable apps from 3rd party locations with one change in the settings. Are you saying the iOS model is far superior because it is harder (and technically illegal) to enable an iWhatever to install apps from a 3rd party location?

    98. Re:Or... by LateArthurDent · · Score: 2

      how many times did your girlfriend need "untrusted apps"?

      you're complaining about a "Feature" but when 99% of your userbase doesn't need it, then turn it off. that is, unless you still have telnet enabled on your system because "FEATURE!@$"

      Disabled by default? Sure, that's both reasonable and prudent Locked from being enabled? That's like saying I can't install telnet on my system, which is a completely different situation than enabling it by default. The fact that most people have no use for telnet, and enabling it by default would be a huge security issue doesn't say shit about whether or not I might need to enable it, and by doing so would take responsibility for securing my own system.

    99. Re:Or... by zieroh · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Android users have cast off the shackles of the "walled garden" liberating themselves from oppression. In exchange, they now have the barbed-wire DMZ provided by incompetent carriers who are effectively preventing them from getting timely updates.

      Brilliant.

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    100. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps when she wants to install the Amazon app store, and then whenever she wants to install one of the "free app of the day" apps.

    101. Re:Or... by the_humeister · · Score: 1
    102. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't give you anything, they include the price of it in the hefty monthly fee you pay them.

    103. Re:Or... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      By default Android users are set to use the walled garden approach.

      One of the more popular Android tablets is the Fire. Which uses the Amazon app store, and thus allows side-loading by default.

      Also most Android users are told by multiple sources (like Amazon) to allow sideloading. So most people have the devices set that way in short order.

      Are you saying the iOS model is far superior because it is harder (and technically illegal) to enable an iWhatever to install apps from a 3rd party location?

      It's not illegal, in fact it is EXPLICITLY legal. Only Apple Hater assholes keep harping on that drum.

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    104. Re:Or... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      iOS is a single target, get one sploit that works, you know it'll work on all of them.

      The problem with your theory is that Android gets hit with malware all the time. iOS doesn't.

    105. Re:Or... by icebike · · Score: 1

      But since your bill doesn't go down after the phone is paid off, you are ever a bigger fool to keep paying but never take advantage of the upgrade.

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    106. Re:Or... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      To say that most upgrade is very far fetched.

      Others have pointed out that an iPhone doesn't need to connect to a computer to update. It does it over the air since iOS 5.0. I'll add that it's not "far fetched", it's fact. The numbers that are upgraded are measured both by Apple themselves, and by the various companies that do web analytics.

    107. Re:Or... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Windows Update was originally just a website. During Windows 95 days the user had to pro-actively visit the site to get updates.

      Which was still better, back in 1995, than what Android has today.

    108. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you saying the iOS model is far superior because it is harder to enable an iWhatever to install apps from a 3rd party location?

    109. Re:Or... by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      More people need to do that when they're not happy with something. Gamers in particular find this concept hard to grasp.

    110. Re:Or... by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Freedom as well means having to freedom to choose safety over a completely open system. That said,Google could easily resolve the issue by not making you have to open your phone wide open to everyone and instead you add companies that you deem acceptable to a white list rather than an all or nothing policy. To be honest I think they did that purpose to give them the appearance of choice knowing full well most people will end up shit scared to open up their phone just so they can add Amazon.

    111. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, did you know that enabling sideloading doesn't make installs automatic? You still have to download APK manually and click through the permissions and confirmation screen.

    112. Re:Or... by thoromyr · · Score: 1

      but the claim was that somehow all the over-the-air upgrades that anyone who cares knows are not happening were happening and that there were all of these mysterious iOS devices that have never been connected to itunes and aren't being updated either. Its two lies twisted together to give some vague semblence of truth.

      As you say, iOS does not have to have a computer any more. *And* it gets patches over the air.

      Moreover, it isn't a *theoretical* problem that Android devices are woefully behind on updates, it is actual fact. It doesn't require somehow spying on updates, all it takes is knowing the carriers and handset manufacturers do not provide updates. There's a nice table (sorry, no citation, but google is your friend) that shows the supported OS versions for various handsets for a variety of major Android sets as well as all iOS devices.

      The truth is, Android devices -- as a group -- are more vulnerable than iOS devices simply due to the lack of provision for updates. Any given phone is another matter. Someone can deliberately not upgrade their iOS device -- even with the current over-the-air updating -- and keep it vulnerable. And it is possible to root (at least most, if not all) Android sets and install an updated OS. But that is not the general situation. It isn't that Android *has* to be more vulnerable, its just that in *practice* more devices are on (much) older and vulnerable versions.

    113. Re:Or... by crutchy · · Score: 1

      i don't know how to "[deactivate] UAC" and i don't run with an admin account and windows update is automatic, but alas i still need a virus scanner and even then windows seems to be prone to viruses and malware

      i also don't surf porn sites on a windows machine because that would be just asking for trouble.... i save that for my linux machine that i know won't be at risk :)

      how's the kool aid fool?

    114. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound awfully like Colonel Nathan R. Jessep in A Few Good Men shouting "You can't handle the truth!" You guys are probably tired of hearing Ben Franklin talk about liberty and security but that also seems rather to the point. Especially given as Apple's curating of the app store seems more driven by their profits: security seems more an incidental side effect.

    115. Re:Or... by JonBoy47 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. My iPad 2 (which was bought back when iOS 4.2 was current) has been connected to a PC exactly twice. Once to activate it out of the box on iOS 4.2 and again to upgrade to iOS 5. My iPhone 4S, which shipped with iOS 5, and which has been upgraded to iOS 6, has never been plugged into a PC in the year I've had it. The take-rate on iOS 6 was ridiculous, with better than 50% of the entire installed base upgraded within a week of release. Android takes a year to get that.

    116. Re:Or... by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Of course Apple devices are also very expensive

      $0 (iPhone 4), $99 (iPhone 4S) and $199 (iPhone 5) are "very expensive"?

      Yes, that assumes contracts, like most phones (unfortunately). You can also pay full price for a contract free phone, just like you would with any other phone.

    117. Re:Or... by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      there are not viruses on android, so drop your scary "infected" verbiage. there is malware, but those articles you read are simply classifying things as malware because they request permissions they don't need - like a flashlight app requesting access to the internet.

      oh, but on iOS, such malware doesn't exist right? can "researchers" scan the apple store and determine which apps request internet access? they can't, and that's why you see concentration on android. hiding the fact that something is malware doesn't make it not exist.

    118. Re:Or... by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm from Germany where there are usually better non-subsidized plans around, even for power users. You generally only go with a subsidized plan if you can't afford the device up-front. The up-front prices are a bit higher and less favourable for Apple.

      I'll compare the last three iPhones with the last three devices in the Samsung Galaxy S family. All prices are for new devices. I omitted third-party prices for the Apple devices because they aren't significantly different form what the Apple Store offers. Only phones without SIM lock were considered.

      iPhone 4: 399 EUR (~ 530 USD) at apple.com
      Galaxy S: 249 EUR (~ 330 USD) at ebay.de, 331 EUR (~440 USD) at amazon.de

      iPhone 4S: 579 EUR (~ 770 USD) at apple.com
      Galaxy S2: 320 EUR (~ 440 USD) at ebay.de, 332 EUR (~ 440 USD) at amazon.de

      iPhone 5: 679 EUR (~910 USD) at apple.com
      Galaxy S3: 400 EUR (~530 USD) at ebay.de, 449 EUR (~ 600 USD) at amazon.de
      Galaxy S3 LTE: 440 EUR (~590 USD) at ebay.de, couldn't find at amazon.de

      In short, 2010's iPhone 4 is barely outpriced by 2012's Galaxy S3, with 2011's Galaxy S2 coming in at 60 EUR less. The iPhone 5 is a whopping 51% more expensive than Amazon's price for a new S3.

      If we compare the specs the S3 has a similar display, a similar camera, a similar SoC, the same amount of RAM, the same amount of internal storage and an SD slot. The only spec where the iPhone 5 clearly leads is in LTE support, which the S3 only got with a later and more expensive release that also bumped its RAM to twice what the iPhone 5 has. That version seems to retail for 40 EUR more than the non-LTE version (eBay price only; I I couldn't find it on Amazon) as opposed to the iPhone 5's 230 EUR markup.
      (I will admit, however, that the iPhone 5 doesn't have a badly designed chipset driver. Hello, /dev/exynos-mem.)

      Let's face it: Apple's handheld devices are quite good but they're also quite expensive.

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    119. Re:Or... by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      That only works for apps.

      If there is a problem with the API framework or the kernel then you're stuck.

      That's like saying that Windows NT is perfectly secure because Adobe bundles an updater with their apps.

    120. Re:Or... by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Yup, and half of them don't run anything newer than Gingerbread. Cyanogen himself owned the last phone I was using, and CM doesn't support anything higher than Gingerbread on it.

      The fact that there are so many binary blobs on the devices and there is no stable ABI for them means that devices get dropped pretty quickly even by the mods. About the only old devices that get that much love and care are the G1 and the N1, largely because they were big milestones at a time when there wasn't many alternatives so almost all the devs own them.

    121. Re: Or... by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      There is a simple solution to that problem - have an unlocked ROM firmware that is capable of reflashing everything with operator intervention.

      Now you have an unbrickable device - something every Android developer wouldn't mind having. If you mess up a windows install you just do a reinstall.

      And with Android that process is less painful than on most systems because so much is cloud-backed.

    122. Re:Or... by stenvar · · Score: 1

      Apple's aluminum-and-glass extravaganza probably costs more energy and raw materials to produce than two Android phones. So, I wouldn't bet that buying Apple's overpriced designer phones and keeping them a little longer is actually better for the environment.

    123. Re:Or... by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Found and quickly erased. And the vast majority of people wouldn't be dumb enough to download "Sexy girl screensaver" even during its brief life. Especially when it asks for more permissions than god. And as other poster says, they're not infected, so much as malware. An application of common sense helps a lot here.

    124. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blackberry is too late to the game

    125. Re:Or... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Are you saying the iOS model is far superior because it is harder to enable an iWhatever to install apps from a 3rd party location?

      That is one reason why it is superior, yes.

      But that is not the main thing, the more granular and context-aware nature of permission in iOS is the main thing.

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    126. Re: Or... by crutchy · · Score: 1

      not sensible for a thing that needs to receive regular security updates to have most of the (vulnerable) code in read-only storage

      i dunno... i reckon making vulnerable code read-only seems like a pretty good way to prevent any vulnerabilities being taken advantage of... perhaps not while in resident memory, but certainly in case of file infections

      security updates are useful, but not always absolutely essential... many modem/routers never get updated (even though most can be) and set-top boxes etc (the 'embedded systems' you refer to). regarding general computing devices, if you're not doing anything that requires root access (like installing system apps) then a linux system will generally be secure. a simple example of this is the use of stable releases for reliability of servers in data centers. stable distros are often months behind the latest release, but are preferred for their lower maintenance requirements. there are ways to automatically install just security updates (in debian anyways) but even that can pose an unjustifyable stability risk.

      the android application layer (dalvik) is a different kettle of fish, and i'm not sure how much of dalvik is stored in rom on the particular device in question (i don't have one) but by far the biggest security risk to android is conventional apps downloaded from google play, which obviously aren't stored in rom and can/should be updated. regardless of how many holes there are in dalvik and the apps running on it, as long as dalvik isn't running as root (which i assume in most cases and in line with how linux generally works that it would run as a separate user just like mysql and apache etc) there is little risk to the underlying linux kernel.

      complaining that a 1GHz phone with 512MB of RAM is underpowered is ridiculous

      many nas servers are run on 1ghz/512mb or less so i agree

      the problem isn't the os itself, its the apps (read: games) that the user wants to install on top of the os

  2. Analogies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Should have used a car analogy.

    1. Re:Analogies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah...that car analogy would be "It's really like a parking garage full of BMWs, and its just waiting for a laptop"

  3. I remember... by webmistressrachel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not so long ago niche platforms and disparate architectures were slated to be good BECAUSE they were so diverse it wasn't worth the time to hack them individually...

    I also remember a time not so long ago that Microsofties used to complain that the frequency and ease of attacks on public sites was due to their dominance and being a big target. I wonder what Linux admins say now, since they now dominate the data centre?

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    1. Re:I remember... by erice · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not so long ago niche platforms and disparate architectures were slated to be good BECAUSE they were so diverse it wasn't worth the time to hack them individually...

      I also remember a time not so long ago that Microsofties used to complain that the frequency and ease of attacks on public sites was due to their dominance and being a big target. I wonder what Linux admins say now, since they now dominate the data centre?

      But these are not niche platforms or disparate architectures. They are all compatible from the point of view of applications and malware. It is just the customization and vendor disinterest that prevents updates. It is as if Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc added their crapware so deeply into the Windows infrasture that Microsoft's security updates could not be applied and the vendors were not interested in creating or distributing adapted versions.

    2. Re:I remember... by Telvin_3d · · Score: 1

      Not that long ago an exploit that only targeted 5% of smart phones would have a return so small it would not possibly be worth it. Now an exploit that targets 5% of smart phones represents millions of phones.

    3. Re:I remember... by crutchy · · Score: 1

      yeah cos we keep hearing about how all these linux datacenters keep getting hacked and infected by viruses and malware

      it's a total disaster :)

    4. Re:I remember... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android runs on a standard linux kernel so I fail to see the point in comparing it AGAINST linux. When android is doing good than it is linux. When android is doing bad then I guess its not linux? Maybe its the linux part of android that should be doing a better job? http://www.androidcentral.com/ask-ac-android-linux

    5. Re:I remember... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was harder to parse than it needed to be...

      Number 1 mobile platform is not exactly niche.

      NIX has long dominated the data center. I can't think of anything else that ever really challenged it there.

      Windows problems were due to one vendor, MS. This article is discussing the pitfalls of multiple vendors writing crap and not patching it.

    6. Re:I remember... by ron_ivi · · Score: 1

      I wonder what Linux admins say now, since they now dominate the data centre?

      Hasn't Linux + Unix + BSD *always* dominated devices directly attached to the internet? IIRC when I started using it, the internet was mostly Sun and Dec Ultrix systems. I don't even think Windows spoke TCP at the time. As it grew you started getting big websites like Yahoo (BSD) and Altavista (Ultrix). Sure a lot of clients that indirectly communicated with the internet used Windows --- but often they were behind some firewall/router/nat device, often running some Linux or embedded Unix variant.

    7. Re:I remember... by crutchy · · Score: 1

      android is linux... i never claimed it wasn't... nice try though

      the linux part of android is what helps its security... it may be possible to infect the android application layer (dalvik) of the operating system, but the kernel underneath is 'datacenter grade' bulletproof as a kernel can be

      if there were really any threat to the kernel, the problem would be much more widespread than just android because as you say the kernel is common to all (albeit in some cases with minor modifications)... which was kinda the point of my original comment :)

  4. The quest for free apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as any platform offers potentially free apps and upgrades there will always be this high risk for exploitation. Perhaps we should take the matter into our own hands and start a group to offer a safety certification?

    1. Re:The quest for free apps by crutchy · · Score: 1

      exploitation of an app is only a problem if the operating system enables an exploited app to infect the rest of the system

  5. Not vendor fragmentation by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem isn't vendor fragmentation. The problem is vendor laziness. If you produce an Android device there is no legitimate why you can't provide regular updates.

    1. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      bullshit!

      google abandoned the 'bad old hardware' (gfx chips were 'too old').

      and so they stopped ALL updates of importance.

      its not the vendors. don't blame them. its the creator of android. those guys messed up the design (split of gfx and non-gfx) and so we get 'end of lifed' systems that are FAR too young to be put to pasture.

      sigh. really, deep sigh.

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    2. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by noh8rz10 · · Score: 0

      If you produce an Android device there is no legitimate why you can't provide regular updates.

      I'm afraid you have it backwards, love. if you sell an android device (i.e. the carriers) you have no incentive to provide upgrades, and it's better for you if the user plus ups his phone. savvy?

    3. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Two reasons:

      1) Hardware component manufacturers don't provide updated drivers. Many of them are binary blobs that aren't compatible with newer kernel/Android versions. Especially Qualcomm and Nvidia chipsets.

      2) Carrier certification is *expensive*. Going through the effort of getting updates carrier-approved costs tens of thousands of dollars, per update.

    4. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by obarthelemy · · Score: 0

      Does your car vendor update your engine when they come out with a new one ?

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    5. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by crutchy · · Score: 1

      all the other linux distros seem to be able to manage

    6. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is your old engine susceptible to remote control security bugs that can be activated by a teenager in Russia?

      Not everything is conducive to a car analogy.

    7. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      McLaren does.

    8. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by stephanruby · · Score: 0

      The problem isn't vendor fragmentation. The problem is vendor laziness. If you produce an Android device there is no legitimate why you can't provide regular updates.

      I'm not disagreeing with your main point, but you have to admit that there are a couple of legitimate reasons for not providing updates:
      * Android 2.3 is for single core phones (single core phones are not going away anytime soon since manufacturers are still making them for some carriers)
      * Android 3.x is for some tablets & google TV (a better name for it should have been Android 2.3 tablet edition)
      * Android 4.x is for multi-core devices (but even then, if your device wasn't the latest multi-core, avoiding 4.1 and waiting for 4.2 instead was preferable)

      Furthermore, security updates are in a completely different category. Carriers do provide over-the-air security updates assuming a flaw is serious enough. It just doesn't necessarily mean that they'll update you to the most recent version of Android. In that regard, Apple is the exact same way. If a security flaw is found, Apple will fix it with an update, sometimes long before there is a next major release.

    9. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by DKlineburg · · Score: 1

      I think it is good to note. Think of the late 90's. I remember you had to get a new "PC" every year, if not more to keep up with the latest toys.

      I guess this would be the same. Now, should my phone be secure? Yes.

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    10. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Informative

      I call bullshit to your bullshit.

      Go have a look at the list of supported devices by Cyanogenmod and look up how many of those devices actually offer vendor upgrades to Jellybean. Hint: very few. My device stopped being supported at Gingerbread because the vendor says "it was too slow". I am now running Jellybean and thanks to Google's tweaks it's runs faster and smoother than it ever did.

      But hey let's not dwell on old hardware shall we? Jellybean was released in early July 2012. Just under 4 months later Samsung were still saying US customers will get their SIII update in "the coming months". You know when Cyanogenmod 10.1 supported the Galaxy S III? Within 3 weeks of release.

      The problem IS vendor lazyness.

    11. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      No but I got a recall notice in the mail saying my car needs to come into a GM workshop to fix a problem for free and that I need to phone to arrange the time.

      Car vendors to provide critical updates. Your analogy works quite well.

    12. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by detain · · Score: 1

      This isn't the case, each device supported officially or unofficially by cyanogenmod took alot of developers working on each individual phones hardware. Most phones all required their own set of patchs and tweaks to get things working in the kernel. Cyanogenmod supported hardware was painfully done 1 phone/tablet at a time. The problem is a mix of both vendors and google.

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    13. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 2

      The problem is vendors insisting on only a vendor-flavored OS on your phone. Imagine if Dell laptops only worked with Dell's specific version of Windows. Then you would have had to wait half a year after the release of Win7 to upgrade your Dell Vista laptop to Dell's version of Win7.

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    14. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      It's not Google's responsibility to keep the system backwards compatible across version upgrades. Someone (and it's not clear to me whether it's Google or manufacturers) should be providing security patches to existing versions. If you bought a phone with Gingerbread then in most cases there should be an expectation for an upgrade to ICS. But there *should* be security and bug fixes *for Gingerbread*.

    15. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by imroy · · Score: 1

      its not the vendors. don't blame them. its the creator of android.

      Yeah, just look at how badly Google's Nexus devices are supported compared to phones/tablets supported by their manufacturers. It's terrible!

    16. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article actually says that Google has released important security patches for of older versions of Android back to 2.x it's the vendors not patching the phones which is the problem.

    17. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up: This is the only sensible comment in this entire tread. It is way more sensible than my previous three posts.

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    18. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 3, Funny
      If it is a BMW or Mercedes, then quite probably the answer is YES. If it is a clapped out old Nissan, the answer is definitely no!

      Disclaimer: my Fiat is definitely clapped out, and cant even be activated adequately by the ignition key!

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    19. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      1) Hardware component manufacturers don't provide updated drivers. Many of them are binary blobs that aren't compatible with newer kernel/Android versions.

      There is certainly room for a debate between binary blobs vs source code, but no matter how that argument plays out the breaking of binary compatibility is an inefficiency. If its happening often then somebody is making bad decisions.

      (disclaimer: I do not own any "smart" mobile devices at all.. my phone is just a phone, and tablets don't solve any of my problems)

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    20. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      Wait. Are you claiming that supporting products requires work? By "a lot" of developers?

      Are those the kind of developers who work for companies like Samsung or some other kind of developers? Maybe Samsung should hire some competent developers who can fix their shit.

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    21. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      Sounds like they need to work out a better, faster, cheaper process. Maybe those drivers should use an interface with a documented spec. Maybe then Google and the Manufacturers/Carriers could have a Standard that would not break via updates.

      It's really not that hard to think of these things and they do have millions of reasons to make the correct architectural decision.

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    22. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is that if you dedicate resources (programmers) to providing upgrades you get them in a timely manner? Well blow me over and mod yourself insightful.

      Well at least we do actually agree 100% the vendors are lazy. They crank out a product and think that's that and come up with lame bullshit excuses as to why a device shouldn't be supported leading exactly to this discussion.

      The Cyanogenmod team hacked together and reverse engineered their way to getting Jellybean working on a large variety of popular phones in 3 weeks. Samsung took many months to provide one upgrade on their flagship product. Stop making excuses for them.

    23. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      No not quite. Most of the ROMs you see on xda have their only flavours as well. Themes, different lockscreens, different launchers, different app draws, that pretty much covers all the typical vendor modifications too. Actually funny story I remember when Gingerbread came out for the Galaxy S (after a 6 month delay by Samsung getting the first firmware out the door), someone on XDA within a week reskinned and modded the official firmware to make it look like AOSP. They undid what supposedly took 6 months in a week.

      Not that it mattered Cynaogenmod was out within a few weeks of Gingerbread anyway.

    24. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Not everything is conducive to a car analogy.

      You must be new here.

    25. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit.

      If people working for FREE with no access to hardware vendor sources for the most part can get support up in less than a month, then the company itself should be able to. It's the hardware vendor's fault, and it's WILLINGLY done to forcefully upgrade people more often than they wish for.

      You can't blame Google for something that's inherent to creating an open platform. You can bet your ass that if Google were to introduce restrictions to getting access to Android to deploy on new devices (say, minimum support time with full upgrades and maximum upgrade delay), pundits would have a field day calling Android closed now.

    26. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by GlassHeart · · Score: 1

      Other than Samsung, approximately no Android manufacturer makes a meaningful profit, and several operate in losses. Wonder why they're "lazy"? It's called racing to the bottom, and the bottom is not bothering with software updates once you make the sale, because it's cheaper that way.

    27. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by kwark · · Score: 1

      The main difference and the main problem* to get older phones to run for me, is the amount of memory needed to run the next major version of Android.

      1.x was happy with 96MB RAM available to the OS/apps. Trying to run 2.x on the G1 was doable but the constant battle for RAM kills performance and battery.

      Upgrading to a G2 running 2.x I suddenly had more RAM unused than available on the G1, 384MB was plenty leaving a comfortable 100MB free. But trying to run 4.0.x on this phone results in the same situation als the G1 running 2.x, there is not enough RAM available for apps, even with compcache (swap in compressed RAM) it only leaves me with something like 30MB. Now if this phone only had a 100MB more it would just run 4.0.x fine even thought it is a single core 800Mhz CPU.

      So now I'm waiting for a nice phone with 2GB+ RAM with a physical keyboard to replace the G2, but I doubt anybody will be releasing Android phones with keyboards anymore so maybe it will be a phablet next.

      *:next to drivers, but hardware makers not making drivers available is not an Android versioning problem.

    28. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      And I believe that BMW and Mercedes ARE working on patches for those issues.

    29. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Yup, but they benefit from the fact that most of the essential hardware in a modern PC is documented, or at least has binary drivers available for windows (which has had a stable driver ABI for ages). So, you can either write code, port code, or at least write a shim for a windows driver blob.

      With Android everything is a moving target, and there are no stable ABIs. That means that the drivers for Gingerbread won't work on ICS, which means you have to do a lot more work and patching to get newer releases to work on older devices.

      That isn't an excuse for the vendors though - they have all the code, and if Debian can backport fixes so can they...

    30. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      You know when Cyanogenmod 10.1 supported the Galaxy S III? Within 3 weeks of release. The problem IS vendor lazyness.

      So I agree with vendor laziness, but CM isn't really the final answer. While many devices have CM available for them, few support JB. You happened to pick the most popular phone of this year as your example. CM doesn't even have a stable release for the Nexus 4.

    31. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      its not the vendors. don't blame them. its the creator of android.

      Yeah, just look at how badly Google's Nexus devices are supported compared to phones/tablets supported by their manufacturers. It's terrible!

      12 year old desktop running Windows XP - receives monthly security updates automatically, and will for more than a year longer. (We're talking Pentium IIIs here that could be going as slow as 400MHz - and XP supports systems older than that.)

      3 year old Nexus One - doesn't receive any security updates, and hasn't for a while now. The ADP (the Android phone sold directly by Google that everybody forgets) was supported for even less time.

      Google certainly does better than any of the other Android vendors, but they're really not up to the level of serious long-term support. Granted, MS is about as good as it gets in this department (despite their various faults).

    32. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Yup - one of the reasons Windows doesn't have these kinds of problems is that you can take a driver from 1999 and there is a decent chance it will work on Windows 8, and it certainly will work on XP (which is still supported).

      Either ship your drivers as source, or make a stable ABI. Not doing either creates a mess.

    33. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      So are you trying to tell me that my point is even stronger because I picked the most popular phone? The most popular phone of the year isn't being timely supported by the vendor?

      The Cyanogenmod example still stands. It's an open source project so you rely on the good developers to actually have the phone and volunteer effort. Of course the most popular phone will get done first. But this excuse does not apply to vendors who have the in house capability and knowhow of their platform to develop the updates.

      Cyanogenmod beating the vendor is just plain embarrassing.
      Cyanogenmod not supporting a device is still no excuse for the vendor to take more than a few weeks at the most to provide an update.

    34. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by crutchy · · Score: 1

      pcs are more stable than mobile so i agree there, and i guess its within googles right to abandon old hardware if vendors don't help maintain support from their end

      vendors do need to get off their asses and support their own hardware... if android is a decent chunk of their market, then they should be putting in some real effort rather than merely enjoying the ride

      google is also a vendor of sorts, and being a user of the linux kernel means they should not be abandoning their ethical responsibility to the kernel developers. linux can pride itself on supporting a very wide variety of hardware and the introduction of more should not be seen as a stumbling block but an opportunity. its just unfortunate that the corporate users of linux seem to be shirking their responsibility to help take advantage of opportunities like this onto the shoulders of the volunteer development community. while the freedom to shirk is all well and good, eventually volunteers may also take advantage of that freedom to the detriment of end users who ultimately pay to make linux profitable for these corporations. fortunately, with this freedom also comes opportunities for other corporations to step in. eventually if android becomes too bogged down by lack of legacy support, another port may surface to take advantage, and then these shirkers may come to regret their lack of forsight and investment. such is the nature of the free market, which at the end of the day will always be a win for consumers.

    35. Re:Not vendor fragmentation by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      As I stated at the start of my post, "I agree with [your argument about] vendor laziness."

      Many (others) use software like CM to suggest that vendors don't actually have to provide support. That simply isn't the case - CM really isn't as good as a properly vendor-supported product should be.

  6. I blame the SoC vendors and Google by Casandro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If there was either a common hardware platform, like on the PC, where every PC is essentially compatible with every other PC, you could easily update your operating system without the manufacturer of the hardware.
    However SoC vendors don't want that, since it would mean that a device maker could easily switch from one SoC to another one. Plus they still use undocumented proprietary hardware in those SoCs, that's why you have binary device driver blobs which are hard to port.

    The other problem lies within Google. They should have mandated some sort of "BIOS" which would have allowed any operating system to see what kind of hardware there is. This wouldn't have been more than a few hundred bytes in the flash containing the bootloader. That way you could have a generic operating system image, which would read out that ROM and execute routines found in it to use the hardware and then, perhaps at a later stage, use specialized drivers... just like it's done on the PC.

    The sort of fragmentation we currently have in the Android market is simply bad, but a logical consequence from bundling hardware with the operating system. I just hope that one day the Chinese will wake up, and design a common hardware platform allowing the user to boot its own operating system from the SD-card, and even move it from device to device.

    1. Re:I blame the SoC vendors and Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The common hardware platform of the PC has not done much to improve its value over time. I think these companies would rather sell us the same hardware over and over again with small modifications. Sure, it would be better for the consumer but not for these companies ready to cash in on doing the least amount of work possible.

    2. Re:I blame the SoC vendors and Google by kllrnohj · · Score: 1

      Except for the "problem" that Android is open source. Google mandating a BIOS would be a waste of everyone's time because it wouldn't have changed anything.

      Also a common hardware platform would be a terrible idea. The competition between SoCs right now is awesome and something sorely missing on PCs.

    3. Re:I blame the SoC vendors and Google by Casandro · · Score: 1

      Disclaimer: I'm going to use "PC" in a very sloppy sense, meaning any 386-derivative system which can, in theory, run DOS-games or a standard Linux distribution from scratch.

      I wouldn't say so. It's been upgraded from, essentially a "home computer" with 64k RAM to something which now spans everything from larger embedded systems to huge server farms. Just keep in mind that only in the 1990s it would have been impossible to run a high performance webserver on a PC. Today special "PC"-architecture servers are the norm.

    4. Re:I blame the SoC vendors and Google by Casandro · · Score: 1

      Well it actually would have changed things. Instead of having to port Android to every little device, which is extremely time consuming, you'd just need to compile it once. And you wouldn't even have needed drivers for all your hardware.
      Android at least allows you to do that, but in reality you'll still be faced with closed source SoC vendor proprietary drivers. It's just a lot of wasted resources.

      So far I don't see much competition between different SoCs, you select one and have to stay with it since going to another one is to much effort for most projects. Please name positive aspects of the competition you see there, don't just state they somehow exist.

    5. Re:I blame the SoC vendors and Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This may be so but the "PC" as in "Personal Computer" or "Computer sold to people for their own personal use" has lost value whenever in the past its been sold within the context of having cheap interchangeable parts. The original vendor of that computer loses out in the end financially speaking due to cheap knockoffs and the added ability for the consumer to upgrade the computer or fix it.

    6. Re:I blame the SoC vendors and Google by crutchy · · Score: 1

      remember those huge server mobos... wow those were the days

    7. Re:I blame the SoC vendors and Google by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      I don't know. I'm thinking that IBM may have sold more PCs due to the fact that they were cloned than they would have sold if they were never cloned. The would have had 100% of the "IBM PC Compatible" market, but I'm not convinced that that market would have gained the dominance that it did.

    8. Re:I blame the SoC vendors and Google by Casandro · · Score: 1

      Why remember? Those still exist. How else would you get a 4 socket mainboard? (that's 4 CPU sockets, each one with its own RAM)

    9. Re:I blame the SoC vendors and Google by Casandro · · Score: 1

      Actually IBM set the perfect example. In response to the clones they developed their PS/2 line. They were designed to be deliberately incompatible with normal PC parts, as well as having a new bus, the MCA. It did still run MS-Dos or Windows or OS/2, so it was software compatible, even games ran on it.
      Needless to say it failed. Nobody wanted to have a proprietary system for which a network card costs multiple times as much as for the competitors. Needless to say it failed miserably, even though there were considerably better.

      A common hardware platform means that you have actual competition. Compaq, for example built an IBM compatible into a portable case for the same price as IBM. Plus you could use all your normal peripherals.

    10. Re:I blame the SoC vendors and Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And after IBM lost their ability to set PC "standards", Intel effectively took over that role. The great thing about Intel is that they are a neutral party with respect to the OEMs. So specs like PCI, USB, ATA, etc were given away for (nearly) free to everyone, including Intel's competitors.

      The Android world lacks an "Intel". The companies designing the base hardware (such as Samsung and HTC) are all competing with each other in the consumer market. So there is no impetus to define common hardware standards as we've seen in the PC world.

    11. Re:I blame the SoC vendors and Google by Casandro · · Score: 1

      True, well "ARM" could take that position, or maybe Google.

      One should also say that the software companies also kept the hardware coherent. If you, for example, wanted to bring out a PC without backwards compatible graphics hardware, you'd simply have no software for it.

    12. Re:I blame the SoC vendors and Google by crutchy · · Score: 1

      yeah but they miniaturize everything nowadays and try to make things as compact as possible... i remember servers with huge cases that required daughterboards for even small aspects of motherboard functionality of today

      but the 4 socket mobos of today are still fooly sick though :)
      unfortunately way beyond my personal budget

    13. Re:I blame the SoC vendors and Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They would in a second the problem is the FCC. They have mandated that software defined radio hardware has to run not just a simple API but have ties into the kernel so that no attempt to modify it can be attempted. Essentially the problem is that sufficiently advanced software can enable and disable the software antenna to move into frequencies which might interfere with government infrastructure therefore we can't have total control over our hardware. The Chinese would love to give us generic hardware, a communism is remarkably quick to adapt (in this sort of situation) so they will certainly profit from advances, and profit relatively as capitalism struggles to allow free markets.
       
        Big companies love this policy as they can simply have a division handle it which makes it more difficult for small market movers to enter.
       
        The N9 and other linux phones have had to support a significant amount of binary bloat to conform to this model and had enormous performance problems as a result which was a huge shame.
       
        The dawn of the full implemented Linux platform isn't here yet, it will come from an unexpected direction, such as the new $100 console (I run windows for the games, and Windows 7 for DirectX 10+, I would much prefer to be running Windows XP which had several features I now miss).

  7. missing disclaimer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    TFA author is an iPhone user, according to his twit feed https://twitter.com/craigtimberg

    1. Re:missing disclaimer by mjwx · · Score: 0

      TFA author is an iPhone user, according to his twit feed https://twitter.com/craigtimberg

      So the only genuine insecurity to be found in the article, is that of the authors.

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    2. Re:missing disclaimer by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

      So is the poster (switched from 2 consecutive Androids to an iPhone 5 precisely for the reasons delineated in that article).

  8. Fragmentation by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Trying to argue about fragmentation with people attacking Android is a losing battle. "Fragmentation" means there's too many different hardware form-factors. No, it means too many vendor-specific UIs. No, it means that we need to support multiple OS versions. No, it means that we can't guarantee what security patches have been applied.

    Bah, from where I'm sitting, "fragmentation" means nothing more than "I don't like it" - a way of disparaging choice from those who don't want it.

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    1. Re:Fragmentation by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1, Troll

      (modded insightful? where? why?)

      yes, google is at fault, not the vendors. they bundled hardware and os too much and this is the result. fragmentation, HERE, means that 'this hardware is too old, waaaah!' and they abandon it for security updates, app updates, feature updates (that don't require snazzy new hardware).

      they simply did a lazy and poor job. go ahead, mod me down. but its still true. the way android is structured, they abandon stuff way too early and for the lamest of reasons.

      its not 'just complaining'. if you think so, you are more deluded than those you are complaining about.

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    2. Re:Fragmentation by symbolset · · Score: 2

      This. They've actually been at it since before the first Android device was even launched, claiming it was a fatal ill. Despite the dire fragmentation it has succeeded handily.

      I'm kind of curious how many millions have been spent Android-slandering in this way. Has to be quite a few. Any self-respecting for-fee product slanderer would have switched to another strategy that was failing less spectacularly by now. His customer might have switched to another more effective slanderer in some sort of normal world.

      But, meh. It's not working and that's how I like it, so fine.

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    3. Re:Fragmentation by tsj5j · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And dismissing it is the easiest way to avoid the problem and do nothing about it.

      Fragmentation is a problem as it undeniably results in a subpar experience: apps that may or may not work, much more testing required for developers, slow update process (due to all those pesky vendor UIs), and apps contorted to fit resolutions it's not designed for.
      But most importantly of all, it guarantees you a platform where finding an exploit is lucrative: because most people will still be vulnerable months after it is announced.

      People point out that iOS is a nice, unified platform to target malware. True, but remember also that Apple doesn't have to wait at the whim of vendors to push updates. Your precious 0-day exploit will be patched long before an Android-equivalent is fixed.
      From where I'm standing, competition is great, but fanboys from both sides are fiercely defending problems when their energies are better invested into pressurizing the developers to make something greater, which can they be proud of using.

      Perhaps asking for carriers to take a completely hands-free approach to updates is too big a leap. Why not try pushing for a framework where critical system-level security updates can be distributed without carrier approval? Alternatively, just get everyone you know to stop buying devices with locked down bootloaders: I've recommended all of mine to get a Nexus, simply because they aren't as restricted. Every small effort counts.

    4. Re:Fragmentation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In this case it means that millions of phones don't get security updates cause because carriers handle updates instead of the OS vendor.

    5. Re:Fragmentation by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Fragmentation is a problem as it undeniably results in a subpar experience:

      I'm confused. You are implying that Android is 'Fragmented' and that Fragmentation causes a subpar experience. Those to ideas don't add up.

    6. Re:Fragmentation by aztektum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Whether to continue supporting a phone is not up to Google. Much of that decision is up to the carriers, then the vendors. Those same folks that want to roll out new devices every 6-12 months.

      If a vendor takes Android 4.0 and mods the fuck out of it for their device, is Google responsible for patching all the security problems they introduced? Should Google take on writing new versions of Android for that hacked up version?

      I like how you ultimately defend your post by suggesting anyone that disagrees is a clueless rube. Brilliant.

      You're blaming Google for what is simply the mess that is the cellphone industry. At least in the U.S..

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    7. Re:Fragmentation by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      there's too many different hardware form-factors. No, it means too many vendor-specific UIs. No, it means that we need to support multiple OS versions. No, it means that we can't guarantee what security patches have been applied.

      You realize all of these are valid criticisms, right?

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    8. Re:Fragmentation by LordLucless · · Score: 2

      Yeah. But when you address one, the issue shifts to another; when you address that, suddenly you're arguing about the next. Moving goalposts. Although I notice there are far you form-factor fragmentation arguments now that Apple's got at least three different form-factors under their belt...

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    9. Re:Fragmentation by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Well Apple's fragmentation is annoying too! Android being bad doesn't preclude Apple from being bad. If only WebOS had made it, since clearly it was the perfect OS.

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    10. Re:Fragmentation by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu phone - security updates are as easy as syncing with your local distro mirror. An LTS release would provide security updates for 3 years.

    11. Re:Fragmentation by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      uh..
      fragmentation in this case just mans success.

      it's so popular there's hundreds of different handsets available. don't like it? buy only one vendor. just like with your pc's.

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    12. Re:Fragmentation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you kind /. folks PLEASE not start your post with THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS ???? It's very annoying to at least some of us. We get it: you agree with parent post. Big fucking deal. Use words to illustrate your point, but not THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS.

    13. Re:Fragmentation by coma_bug · · Score: 1

      It's very annoying to at least some of us.

      This.

    14. Re:Fragmentation by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      we are talking about 2 diff things. one is the carriers not wanting to adopt base android updates or re-integrate them. that's a problem but not to the nexus guys who are supposed to get 'direct' and vendor-free updates.

      my problem is that I'm on a nexus and I thought I could expect more. but I'm seeing the 'left behind' syndrome and its NO carrier in the picture. there is google and CM and no vendor at all in between. if the phone is not updated, I blame google first and to a lesser degree, the good guys at CM. but CM can't fix major design fraults and I don't think CM are bad guys. they can only do so much. but google should be keeping the trees going forward and not stop at 2.x just for really lame reasons. I would not expect CM to take my phone behond 2.x if google, themselves, won't put time and energy into it.

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    15. Re:Fragmentation by fostware · · Score: 1

      Here's fragmentation's sub-par experience:-
      https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=J2+Interactive

      Then start on PowerVR Vs Tegra Vs Mali differences for some games...

      nVidia have made a good sales pitch about finding Tegra-only games via their TegraZone app.

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    16. Re:Fragmentation by ByteSlicer · · Score: 1

      Clearly the "Fragmentation" concept is fragmentated :o)

    17. Re:Fragmentation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aye

    18. Re:Fragmentation by symbolset · · Score: 1

      This is actually mentioned in the /. guide for karma and it's good guidance for most. I just don't care as it doesn't apply to me. I'm immune to /. karma now. Maybe it's good guidance for those who are new here. I use this for effect, and based on your comment it seems to be working.

      But then I've been here so long that I've given many comments rated +5 consisting of only a single word including "Yes", "No", and "This".

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  9. Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You get one exploit that works against Android Gingerbread, and you've got one that works for 2+ years against the still most popular version, by a large margin.

  10. Headline should read ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Washington post parrots Microsoft talking points."

  11. Fragmentation is not to blame by Morgaine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Linux has huge diversity among its many distributions, and yet it doesn't suffer from the security problems described in the article. So-called "fragmentation" isn't really a valid technical reason for lack of security at all. If a system is designed for security then it will be secure, regardless of the number of its variations.

    The real reason why Android is lacking in security is because Google hasn't focused on security. They decided not to include iptables/netfilter (the Linux firewall) as a standard facility in Android, which would have been very easy to do. And they haven't allowed users to block privileges demanded by apps after install. Instead you're offered only a package deal, either let the app do whatever it wants or don't install it, period. Android users are hence pressured into a corner, and the end result is often worse security than they would wish.

    Don't blame fragmentation. Instead point a finger at Google designers who seem remarkably disinterested in supporting the Android user's security and privacy requirements.

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    1. Re:Fragmentation is not to blame by kllrnohj · · Score: 2

      Android's security is top notch, and your claim Google isn't focusing on it is bullshit. With every release it has gotten better than the one before it.

      And those permissions you complain about? Yeah, that's something desktop Linux doesn't even have. Android wins that by default. Your attempt to turn a very obvious and straightforward advantage into some sort of negative is ridiculous.

      iptables/netfilter doesn't help here in the least, by the way. They are completely pointless here.

    2. Re:Fragmentation is not to blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another reason why the "fragmentation" excuse is bullshit is that Android was DESIGNED to be implemented by umpteen different handset manufacturers each on their own diverse hardware. Even the three Nexus tablets are all from different manufacturers and run on 3 very different kinds of hardware.

      Google and/or journalists can't turn around and complain of fragmentation when this was the intended Android environment. It's exactly as was planned from the start.

    3. Re:Fragmentation is not to blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Android's security is top notch

      I guess you didn't read the article then.

      With every release it has gotten better than the one before it.

      Which implies that every earlier release has had insecurities which Google had to fix.

      And those permissions you complain about? Yeah, that's something desktop Linux doesn't even have.

      Desktop Linux doesn't install insecure apps from unknown 3rd parties as Android encourages. Because Android's approach to apps is vastly more dangerous, it requires a hugely more comprehensive approach to security instead of relying on trust in an app provider. It's tailor-made for abuse.

      Instead we have almost nothing, just some requested permissions which are meaningless in practice. As many Android commentators have described, it's totally normal for app developers to request everything, and you can never tell what they are doing with that permission, nor block it. It's an insane package deal. Those permissions don't provide user security, they only deliver security theater. It's a sham.

      iptables/netfilter doesn't help here in the least, by the way.

      Don't be ridiculous. Controlling which sites your app is allowed to talk to is the very first step in network security.

    4. Re:Fragmentation is not to blame by um...+Lucas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your missing the point. Users aren't failing to update, they're not provided with any updates at all.

    5. Re:Fragmentation is not to blame by jvonk · · Score: 2

      The real reason why Android is lacking in security is because Google hasn't focused on security. They decided not to include iptables/netfilter (the Linux firewall) as a standard facility in Android, which would have been very easy to do.

      That's why I installed the free DroidWall app from Google Play. Now I have an Android iptables firewall that is very versatile.

      And they haven't allowed users to block privileges demanded by apps after install. Instead you're offered only a package deal, either let the app do whatever it wants or don't install it, period.

      That's why I built and installed the free PDroid framework into my free custom ROM. Now I can grant, deny, or spoof the permissions on all my apps.

      If anyone's interested, I currently recommend using Auto-Patcher as the tool to inject PDroid into your ROM. I also recommend using the OpenPDroid option in Auto-Patcher, with PDroid Manager as the front-end UI app.

      So, both of the Android security problems you cited have solutions. Yes, these solutions require rooting, and PDroid requires a custom ROM; however, since you were talking about Linux distros and iptables, I anticipated you might be able interested and capable.

      As an aside, being able to do things like this is why I will never consider iOS or (*shudder*) Windows Phone for my devices.

    6. Re:Fragmentation is not to blame by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      They decided not to include iptables/netfilter (the Linux firewall) as a standard facility in Android, which would have been very easy to do

      The vast majority of Android phones I've found actually do have iptables. You need to be root to do much with it, though....

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    7. Re:Fragmentation is not to blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The security features you describe are exactly what Android should provide for everybody as standard, out of the box, and more.

      Techies can of course root their devices and install the needed protections, but our poor non-technical friends and relatives have no chance of doing that, and are ripe for exploitation by app developers.

      It's really not good enough as things stand.

    8. Re:Fragmentation is not to blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FDroid and PDroid are completely useless when the operating system has an unpatched security hole that allows to obtain root privileges. And we all know how easy is to root an Android device.

    9. Re:Fragmentation is not to blame by rasmusbr · · Score: 1

      I down't think that's fair to say. I think what's fair to say is that both phone/table hardware and software have undergone a tremendous amount of improvement over the last few years and that has caused tension and cracks that Google has been unable to solve and/or paint over as well as Apple has done.

      Now that we have phones and table that are essentially good enough for most people's needs and Apple is eyeing the mid-range phone market that Android owns, Google really needs to start filling in those cracks if it wants Android to remain relevant.

    10. Re:Fragmentation is not to blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FDroid and PDroid are completely useless when the operating system has an unpatched security hole that allows to obtain root privileges.

      You are absolutely correct.

      Also, PDroid does not protect against terrorism, nuclear attack, storm surge, volcanism, toxic mold, or genital warts. Then again, it was never designed to do any of these things, nor was it designed to protect against privilege escalation exploits in the OS!

      The "P" stands for privacy, not "Unbreakable Linux"... this may give you a hint about what its primary design function is.

    11. Re:Fragmentation is not to blame by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      Blackberry OS does allow modification of app permissions, though depending on what you do and don't allow the app may become non-functional. I think Cyanogen will allow android users to modify permissions and even fake ones denied so the app thinks it has permissions it does not have)

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    12. Re:Fragmentation is not to blame by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      No sorry but users are failing to upgrade en mass as well. The problem really is twofold.

      A large majority of devices don't support OTA updates. Unlike the earlier iPhones which required a connection to iTunes to first power on, or the general ecosystem of iTunes being used for everything iPhone related there's few if any Android phones that actually require any connection to the computer or even gain a benefit of doing so. Go up to a Samsung users and say "Keis". The vast majority will simply think you have a speech impediment. Very few users even know Keis is the iTunes equivalent, even less connect their phones to it on a regular basis, and even less click the "update" button when a new firmware is released.

      I know users of Samsung Galaxys who still run Eclair. They either don't know or don't care about any updates. I so far have been unable to convince my girlfriend to upgrade from Gingerbread on her SII. The answer typically ends up being something like "why? it already works just fine!"

      Maybe if one day app developers actually targeted the new APIs (some of the most popular apps in the play store were written for Doughnut!!!!!) then people may have an incentive to upgrade.

    13. Re:Fragmentation is not to blame by jvonk · · Score: 1

      The security features you describe are exactly what Android should provide for everybody as standard, out of the box, and more.

      I would certainly appreciate this; however, when it comes to app permissions the user's best interests are in tension with the app developer's. You would think that the answer to this is obvious—that the user's interests prevail, because it's their device—but it becomes dicey when you're talking about spoofing permission elements.

      Thus, something like PDroid will likely never be included in CyanogenMod, because even the custom ROM people are concerned about the app developer ecosystem. CyanogenMod 7.1/7.2 allowed users to block individual app permissions, but critically they rejected a PDroid-like permissions spoofing patch because that was "bad for developers". The problem with simply blocking permissions instead of spoofing them is that outright blocking access tends to cause apps to crash. Furthermore, this is not really the app devs' fault: they expected access to those permission-controlled resources because access was approved by the user upon installation of the app.

      Android has had a leg up on iOS in the permissions awareness regard by having a long history of expressly listing the permissions that apps have when they're downloaded. PDroid expands upon this base to give permission control like power users have come to expect.

      Techies can of course root their devices and install the needed protections, but our poor non-technical friends and relatives have no chance of doing that, and are ripe for exploitation by app developers.

      Yes, but again this is tough. Here's an analogy: we all agree that having versatile ACL's for files is ideal from a security standpoint. However, when you start modifying ACL's for files within an application's installation directory it's likely to make the application act strangely and/or crash. And are non-techies likely to remember what they changed (or that they changed anything at all) if an application starts acting strangely?

      Coming back to the Android app permission example: the UI for the apps' permissions control is likely going to be difficult for a non-technical person to understand. If a non-technical person revokes an app's "Network Info" permission and then the app later has difficulty determining whether it has access to the internet when the user *wants* to connect...

      Remember, outright revoked permissions tend to cause app crashes. Spoofed permissions systems like PDroid feed incorrect data to the app when the app asks for "blocked" data. This will inevitably lead to strange app behaviors, which non-technical people will likely chalk up to the app/OS, rather than their permissions override.

      It's really not good enough as things stand.

      I agree, though I am uncertain whether there will ever be a solution that is both simple enough for non-technical people to understand/operate *and* powerful enough to fully protect the user. I hope they try, though.

      In the meantime, OpenPDroid offers a solution, even though the bar is high.

    14. Re:Fragmentation is not to blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And those permissions you complain about? Yeah, that's something desktop Linux doesn't even have.

      Yes, it absolutely does.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security-Enhanced_Linux
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppArmor

    15. Re:Fragmentation is not to blame by um...+Lucas · · Score: 1

      On the iPhone, while yes, it's a choice, people simply aren't adverse to upgrading because it's an efforless process. Even when you had to plug it in, that was all you had to do, plug it in and click the OK button. Androids certainly aren't that straight forward, and no, most times, after release, the device is abandoned by the manufacturer. You can't deny that. That users are daunted by the upgrade process speaks to their comfortability with the OS - yes, its their fault for not updating when it is available, but if the process isn't simple enough, apparent enough or advertised enough, they simply won't do it - as we see now.

      Android should not be getting the free pass from so many slashdotters as it does. Neither should google, for that matter. But they both certainly seem to be.

    16. Re:Fragmentation is not to blame by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      False. The upgrade process for the most popular Android phone (Samsung Galaxy series) is every bit as effortless as the upgrade process of iTunes. Plug the phone in, press the upgrade button in Kies. This should come as no surprise due to Samsung's shameless ... "influence" by Apple's software.

      The difference is that users see Kies as nothing more of an interface to their phone, so it's rarely installed, rarely used, and as such users are rarely see that an upgrade is available. Now if they are told an upgrade is available it becomes more complicated as they need to go download and install Kies first.

      iTunes on the other hand is ubiquitous. Every Apple has iTunes installed by default, every copy of Quicktime prompts for iTunes to be installed, every iPod user has iTunes, and as mentioned early iPhones wouldn't activate without being connected to iTunes. That and iTunes is far more than an interface to the phone, it's a central point for the Apple ecosystem providing apps, media, and connecting to other Apple devices. I don't like Apple, and I don't have an iPhone, yet I think at least 3 of the computers in this house will also have iTunes installed.

      No one is denying that some manufacturers abandon devices, and I even confirmed that when I said the problem is Twofold. Your conclusion is right though users won't upgrade because the process isn't apparent enough, though certainly it is very easy.

      Android gets a pass because Android and Google have made the process easy and apparent; they earned their pass. On Nexus devices the updates are delivered OTA so no need to have a computer at all. The update just appears in the notification bar and it's a two click process to install. I also don't see any horrendously out of date Nexus devices floating around so both Android and Google get a tick in each box.

      Device manufactures and their crazy custom modded Android shenanigans and abandoning perfectly good hardware however don't get a free pass, anywhere on Slashdot, and this is not the fault of the OS. Actually if you look through the comments nearly all the positive comments explicitly state Nexus devices.

      Your conclusion is right

  12. um no by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    Having everything all being exactly one way is one giant target for easy attacks. The more different, the better. They have this completely backwards.

  13. Android fragmentation FUD .. by dgharmon · · Score: 1

    That whole article reads like it could have been written by the Microsoft FUD division. It's either nobody uses Open Source or, if it is popular, then it has to be fragmenting ...

    "Android also gives you tools for creating apps that look great and take advantage of the hardware capabilities available on each device. It automatically adapts your UI to look it's best on each device, while giving you as much control as you want over your UI on different device types."

    "you can create a single app binary that's optimized for both phone and tablet form factors. You declare your UI in lightweight sets of XML resources, one set for parts of the UI that are common to all form factors and other sets for optimzations specific to phones or tablets".

    "At runtime, Android applies the correct resource sets based on its screen size, density, locale, and so on."

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  14. It's not the frequency, it's the penetration by Swampash · · Score: 1

    ba-dum-tish

    But seriously folks, it's not that Apple releases updates several times a year that's the important bit. It's that those updates are available instantly, worldwide, to everyone, on every carrier, to every device younger than about four years old, and the update process is so easy and convenient that everyone (close enough) installs the updates.

    The biggest install base for iOS is always "the latest version". The biggest install base for Android is what, Honeycomb? Shit.

    1. Re:It's not the frequency, it's the penetration by Swampash · · Score: 4, Informative

      The biggest install base for iOS is always "the latest version". The biggest install base for Android is what, Honeycomb? Shit.

      Even worse, it's still Gingerbread.

      http://bgr.com/2012/12/04/android-version-distribution-december-2012/

    2. Re:It's not the frequency, it's the penetration by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      As a happy Android user, I have to concede that your point is valid. Fragmentation complaints are pure FUD. It is the lack of updates that is the problem. Apple did good in their negotiations with the carriers that allows them to update the phones directly. I would like to see Google move to a 3 tier setup for Android. 1 tier would be all of the drivers for the specific hardware. The second tier would be the OS itself. The third tier would be the carrier/manufacturer customizations. At any time, Google should be able to update the base OS whether the carrier likes it or not. Since the third tier would be apps installed over the OS, they should be no less compatible with the OS update than any other software. There is no reason that the carrier/manufacturer customizations should be anything more than apps that are installed by default.

    3. Re:It's not the frequency, it's the penetration by denmarkw00t · · Score: 1

      The biggest install base for Android is what, Honeycomb? Shit.

      Try an earlier version, oh hmm ah, Gingerbread.

    4. Re:It's not the frequency, it's the penetration by ZiakII · · Score: 1

      Honeycomb was designed only for tablets........

    5. Re:It's not the frequency, it's the penetration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The biggest install base for iOS is always "the latest version". The biggest install base for Android is what, Honeycomb? Shit.

      What? No it isn't.

      Didn't you see how many iTards waited to update their failPhone to failOS 6 until Google Maps came out for it?

      Crapple's MapCrap(tm) being completely unusable, unless you wanted searching for the nearest convenience store to instead send you to Denmark...

  15. Meanwhile at TCFKA RIM by rueger · · Score: 2

    What? Android bad for corporate security? BYOD bad for corporate security?

    Excuse me sir... {smile}

    1. Re:Meanwhile at TCFKA RIM by leuk_he · · Score: 1

      BYOD are be definition devices that are not completely adhering to the company policy. That is why you put them on a separate network (VLAN) that has internet access, but limited intranet access.

      You are correct, this has very little to do with fragmentation.

      The problem is that phone vendors are suddenly becoming software vendors. But they are far to slow to push out updates into the market.

      Most phones are not updated. That include iPhones.

  16. Re:HA HA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some of them aren't dumb, just poor.

  17. Is the solution paid OS updates ? by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

    I'm wondering if the solution would not be for OS updates to be on sale, at a low-ish-price, ie 5 or 10 bucks. That way, OEMs can recoup part of their investment, and users can put their money were their mouth is. I personally don't care that much about OS updates, my Xoom has gone from 3.x to 4.0 to 4.1 and I really didn't notice any difference.

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  18. Fix Android by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First fix the two most known design flaws:

    1. Security model. Most apps have the "internet" capability already but don't actually need it. Many have more than one capability not needed by the application. Some might need it for very small operations but the trust is already rendered useless.

    2. Play Store. Quite similar as point 1 mentioned above. The end user should judge the "trust" level of an app by reading the comments. I once installed an app reading 6 pages of "this is wonderful app 5/5 stars!" and every 7th pages had "don't install it, it's a trap!". Despite of being a a malicious app it had 4/5 stars as the people giving the reviews were not enough to bring the average down (the 5/5 review spams).

    3. Fix Java.

    This is quite sad as the Android platform has some potential. And Google doesn't really care.

  19. Hmm by drolli · · Score: 2

    I always thought its the responsibilty of the manufacturer of the device to make a product which sticks to certain definitions. I dont see many android products listet with security as a feature, therefore i also dont assume that the design of the preinstalled sw goes into that direction.

  20. Modded insightful?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait- who?

    Google abandons stuff way early? Or you mean the vendors, who make the vast majority of abandoned devices and have every incentive to obsolete old hardware so they can sell new devices?

    This "fragmentation" angle is a bullcrap attack on Android or Google. It *IS* a valid criticism of a bullshit FCC that prohibits unlocking phones and won't even give their explicit blessing via DMCA exemption to unlocking bootloaders so that people can update their tablet (and other devices)'s old operating systems. As if we should need anyone's approval.

    The fucked up business models of the mobile cartels is the massive issue, not something inherent in Android or Google. And you can add the FCC's total ignorance regarding mobile devices that they are regulating, as they're supporting the anti-competitive status quo.

    1. Re:Modded insightful?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn I meant Library of Congress exemptions, not FCC...

  21. It's a feature, not a bug! by Dr+Herbert+West · · Score: 1

    Some of us look forward to the inevitable shitstorm and think this kind of excitement is just... great!

    Obligitory Animal House

  22. Just download Avast mobile security by Andy+Prough · · Score: 4, Informative

    from the Google Play store. It's free and quite powerful. Works on older versions of Android too. It's like the Swiss Army Knife of mobile security - Scans apps and SD card for malware; has an excellent privacy dashboard; and has real-time shielding of apps, web links, and messages to protect from malware. It has a firewall that can be set up on rooted devices; can block calls and SMS messages based on filtering rules; has a network meter; and has several anti-theft functions. Really a brilliant app, from a trusted security company. They also have an iPhone app, although that one seems to have some slightly different functions. I think anyone with a modern smartphone should have some malware protection on board, and this is an outstanding suite with the right price - free.

    1. Re:Just download Avast mobile security by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2

      Have their been any improvements since the scathing November 2011 report [PDF] stating that mobile AV is next to useless?

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    2. Re:Just download Avast mobile security by bartron · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What the hell?

      How can anyone say, with a straight face, that you need to run AV software on a goddamn phone? A PHONE! What manner of circumstances lead to this being considered something that is perfectly normal?

      If anything it just shows what a logistical clusterfuck Google created with the first few editions of Android and letting all and sundry create hardware without at least enforcing some form of automatic patching regime. Don't get me wrong, I think ICS is a wonderful OS for a phone, but to birthed straight into the world expecting to have to run AV software??? Look at yourself in the mirror and tell yourself that's a perfectly normal and rational thing.

    3. Re:Just download Avast mobile security by Dragonslicer · · Score: 2

      How can anyone say, with a straight face, that you need to run AV software on a goddamn phone? A PHONE! What manner of circumstances lead to this being considered something that is perfectly normal?

      The circumstances of these phones effectively being general purpose computers.

    4. Re:Just download Avast mobile security by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

      How can anyone say, with a straight face, that you need to run AV software on a goddamn phone?

      Smartphones aren't really phones - they're handheld PCs with a phone app.

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    5. Re:Just download Avast mobile security by horza · · Score: 1

      Or it could be that different users have different needs. I can't imagine ever having to run AV on a PC, yet to a stranger I would probably recommend they did. I would also not bother running it on a phone as I want the freedom but if it was for the proverbial "granny phone" then I can see why somebody would want to lock it down.

      For a "logistical clusterfuck" it appears to have actually become quite popular. There are now quite a few Android phones being sold. I think the whole AV required thing is a figment of your imagination.

      Phillip.

    6. Re:Just download Avast mobile security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell?

      How can anyone say, with a straight face, that you need to run AV software on a goddamn phone? A PHONE! What manner of circumstances lead to this being considered something that is perfectly normal?

      If anything it just shows what a logistical clusterfuck Google created with the first few editions of Android and letting all and sundry create hardware without at least enforcing some form of automatic patching regime. Don't get me wrong, I think ICS is a wonderful OS for a phone, but to birthed straight into the world expecting to have to run AV software??? Look at yourself in the mirror and tell yourself that's a perfectly normal and rational thing.

      Look at yourself in the mirror, and realize that you're talking on a computer...

    7. Re:Just download Avast mobile security by zieroh · · Score: 1

      The circumstances of these phones effectively being general purpose computers.

      You missed his point. It's not the fact that these phones are general purpose computers (though clearly they are) but that they are largely unprotected, vulnerable to attack, and (this is the important bit) lacking in a clearly defined upgrade path.

      As a professional software developer, I can state one thing here with authority: real software (OS, applications, even firmware) has a clearly defined upgrade mechanism when it ships. Anything that lacks a clearly defined upgrade mechanism is substandard crapware engineered by crazed chimps.

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    8. Re:Just download Avast mobile security by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      Look at yourself in the mirror and tell yourself that's a perfectly normal and rational thing.

      I look at myself in the mirror and see a device that needs an anti-virus system from the outset. Maybe it's not exactly "designed" (and, if it is, the designer is a bit of a moron), but it seems to be natural.

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    9. Re:Just download Avast mobile security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell?

      How can anyone say, with a straight face, that you need to run AV software on a goddamn phone? A PHONE!

      Well, to be fair, it's not just A PHONE. It's more like an extremely portable computer that happens to have telephony features.

    10. Re:Just download Avast mobile security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >How can anyone say, with a straight face, that you need to run AV software on a goddamn phone?

      Let's see, a modern smartphone:

      • Has more processing power than the workstations and servers of the 1990s
      • Is connected to and makes extensive use of the Internet

      Yeah, I can say it with a straight face.

      Any other questions, geezer?

    11. Re:Just download Avast mobile security by LateArthurDent · · Score: 1

      How can anyone say, with a straight face, that you need to run AV software on a goddamn phone? A PHONE! What manner of circumstances lead to this being considered something that is perfectly normal?

      The circumstances of these phones effectively being general purpose computers.

      Yeah, but honestly, needing to run AV software on general purpose computers is also an insane thing to be considered perfectly normal. We've all just came to accept insecure operating systems, but that's not a good thing.

    12. Re:Just download Avast mobile security by monkeyhybrid · · Score: 1

      I look at myself in the mirror and see a device that needs an anti-virus system from the outset.

      Be sensible, use a condom.

    13. Re:Just download Avast mobile security by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      sigh ... how the heck did this ad for Avast get modded up?

      on a non-rooted device, any Android anti-virus / security app is pointless as it doesn't have permissions to do anything useful. and that's good, because if the security app has permissions to do something, then other apps would have permission to do something malicious. rooting your device for this reason is like leaving your home's door unlocked so the police can get in to save you when the bad guys come through your unlocked door.

    14. Re:Just download Avast mobile security by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      don't get your panties in a bunch because Avast's marketing posted an ad here.

      you don't need a security app on android, because the security app itself doesn't have permissions to do anything useful. that's a good thing, because it means malicious apps don't have permissions to do anything malicious either.

      they can't monitor network connections / traffic.
      they can't interfere with the browser in any way.
      they can't see what other apps are doing inside their sandbox.
      they can't read memory outside of their sandbox.

  23. Security-oriented forks probably coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Those permissions don't provide user security, they only deliver security theater.

    It's actually worse than mere security theater. Because the Android user has no visibility nor control over the sites with which the installed apps communicate, nor visibility of the data that is sent, nor visibility of the app code in most cases, Android provides a wide open vector for security and privacy leakage.

    Google makes not even the slightest attempt to control this and gives users no such ability either (you can't turn permissions off for an app). Only those who root their devices and install extras have any measure of protection or control. The ordinary Android user (in other words the *vast* majority of users) have no protection nor control at all.

    It's only by pointing out these issues that Google might perhaps be pressured into taking user security against apps more seriously. But if they continue to ignore this matter then security-oriented forks are coming, you can guarantee it.

    1. Re:Security-oriented forks probably coming by gitano_dbs · · Score: 1

      Because the Android user has no visibility nor control over the sites with which the installed apps communicate, nor visibility of the data that is

      Android user roots their phone and installs free LBE Privacy Guard, problem solved. Can be done in 10 minutes.

  24. Word by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Trying to argue about fragmentation with people attacking Android is a losing battle. "Fragmentation" means there's too many different hardware form-factors. No, it means too many vendor-specific UIs. No, it means that we need to support multiple OS versions. No, it means that we can't guarantee what security patches have been applied.

    Boy, it sounds like the kinds of attacks on Android feasibility are splitting into a lot of different forms. If only we had a word for that.

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  25. Ahh, the call of the arrogant hacker by SuperKendall · · Score: 0, Troll

    I just love the idea that since you are protected every other Android user can just go to hell - it doesn't matter, your phone works!

    Stupid ignorant LUsers, right? Ha Ha, watch them burn.

    I love the idea of bringing all the foibles of the PC era forward into the realm of mobile to screw over a new generation of innocent tech users.

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  26. Time Keeps On Ticking by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    You said it's not unusual so please link us to the this supposed endemic problem in Google's Play Store.

    The incredible speed and ease with which any developer can push an app into Play comes at a cost you know, even if you'll not admit it.

    Google does scan binaries for viruses. But all the technical users know how effective virus scans really are.

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  27. Actions back up words by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    TFA author is an iPhone user

    Well actions speak louder than words, so it guess it bears out what they are saying. If you found a platform to be incredibly insecure why on earth would you continue to run it?

    Far more of a story would be if they were running Android devices day to day despite the concerns raised.

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    1. Re:Actions back up words by fostware · · Score: 1

      If you found a platform to be incredibly insecure why on earth would you continue to run it?

      He never said TFA author ran Android and moved to iOS.

      That said, I don't believe either of you made a persuasive point :)

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  28. Ahh, the rustling sound of a strawman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just love the idea that since you are protected every other Android user can just go to hell - it doesn't matter, your phone works!

    GP never insinuated anything like that.

    Stupid ignorant LUsers, right? Ha Ha, watch them burn.

    TROLOLOLOL.

    I love the idea of bringing all the foibles of the PC era forward into the realm of mobile to screw over a new generation of innocent tech users.

    And how, pray tell, do you feel about the lack of app-level firewall, app permission control, and inability to load a custom ROM on your precious iOS devices? Say what you will about Android, but at least solutions to these considerations exist on Android, technical though they may be.

  29. Reminds me of the normal "PC"... by the_arrow · · Score: 1

    A multitude of manufacturers, a myriad of differing hardware configurations, a only a single operating system, and lots of vulnerabilities.

    Could be used to describe both the Android smartphone market, or the Windows home-computer market.

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    1. Re:Reminds me of the normal "PC"... by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Your comment is either willful ignorance or intentional skew. There's more security-functional variety in Android than there is iOS or Windows Phone. There's also more intrinsic security.

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  30. Who seriously believes Microsoft's PR piece? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the WaPo? They don't do hard news since Kaplan ( just another online education for profit ) they say news is NOT their primary role anymore at the Washington Post ... they say it on their own homepage and have for over a year now.

    So they take Microsoft's PR piece about how bad bad Linux ( = Android ) is. Soften 'em up for tomorrow's WaPo PR piece about how GOOD GOOD Windows 8 phonz are. Or whatever monstrosity awaits us from the former Dell+MS.

    According to Microsoft: Fragmented = bad. Monoculture = good.

    Nature abhors a mono-culture. That's why Android (and Linux) fragmentation is good ( = survival ) and Microsoft monopoly ( = all the same stuff ) is bad because its so easily hacked if you can do one MS junk box you can do 'em all.

    Personally, I a hope a Linux Mobile (perhaps on a Microsoft/DELL ARM device) will soon be enough all on its own as Google isn't contributing much back to the open end of the pool and for MS/DELL/ARM the box stripped of Windows may make it a fine platform for mobile standardization like the IBM PC in 1981.

  31. User fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Malware?
    You're holding your phone wrong.

  32. Blah blah blah by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

    Yeah, and? Wake me up when this is actually a commonplace problem, and even all that noticeable amongst the storm of problems with iOS devices. I don't really follow handheld security like I should, but even I have heard of and experienced the fallout of multiple different iOS exploits and vulnerabilities in the past week - email spamming, sms spamming, and appointment deletions on Exchange amongst them.

    I've heard of nothing like this happening on Android, even though most of the people I know use Android devices. Anecdotal? Sure. But it isn't half as anecdotal as 'fragmentation'. I'm sorry, when apps -mostly- work cross device as well as cross device generation, there's a unified app market, and efforts are being undertaken to scale the OS to handle device feature differences (eg. screen resolution) arbitrarily, I'm not sure exactly what kind of 'fragmentation' we're talking about. Especially when we've got efforts like Cyanogenmod which are starting to serve as a shared base for vendors while maintaining a high quantity of cross-commits with ASOP.

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  33. Except your statement is not true. by tuppe666 · · Score: 1

    A multitude of manufacturers, a myriad of differing hardware configurations, a only a single operating system, and lots of vulnerabilities.

    Could be used to describe both the Android smartphone market, or the Windows home-computer market.

    Except Android does not have loads of vulnerabilities. Apple on the other hand have Developers attacking 75% of its users, and Apple themselves calling its customers criminals.

  34. Except its two years old. by tuppe666 · · Score: 1

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history#Android_2.3.E2.80.932.3.2_Gingerbread_.28API_level_9.29

    Gingerbread is only 2 years old, and still supported by Google with its first party applications. To put that in some kind of perspective XP was released 12 years ago

    1. Re:Except its two years old. by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history#Android_2.3.E2.80.932.3.2_Gingerbread_.28API_level_9.29

      Gingerbread is only 2 years old, and still supported by Google with its first party applications. To put that in some kind of perspective XP was released 12 years ago

      To take your analogy and run with it, your copies of Notepad and Paint have been updated, but not your OS or any 3rd party applications.

  35. A tip of the hat, good sir! by rts008 · · Score: 1

    For what it's worth....
    I have been a big fan of Avast for many years, and heartily recommend them to anyone running a MS OS.
    It plays well with Windows Defender[1], and in 'Game mode', does not interfere with anything that I know of.(YMMV)

    I , as a fan, am glad to see that they have applied their mojo to Mac/Apple and Android...hopefully they can jump into the *nix world fully.

    [1] or whatever it is called currently.
    I currently dual-boot Kubuntu 11.04 and Win7, both 64 bit.
    Win 7 for Fallout 3 and NV, and Oblivion and Skyrim, otherwise, I spend the balance of my PC time in Kubuntu.

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  36. Updates are uneconomical by tlambert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is just the customization and vendor disinterest that prevents updates. It is as if Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc added their crapware so deeply into the Windows infrasture that Microsoft's security updates could not be applied and the vendors were not interested in creating or distributing adapted versions.

    On the contrary, it is vendor interest that prevents updates.

    The first thing to know is that Google does not create Android releases. Google does continuous Android development, and any time after release N.M, but before N.(M+1), or (N+1).0, for new major releases, the code base is called after the current tree version number. When a vendor wants to release a new Android cell phone, there may be parts of the code base they've contributed back for specific chip and peripheral support, but what they do is take a cut of the code base and freeze it. Then they apply patches and finishing touches which don't get integrated back to the main Android code base as part of taking it from the raw, unproductized Android code base to a productized version which can be shipped to customers.

    The dirty little secret here is that all productization is done by the device vendors, and not by Google, and that Google itself is basically incapable of productizing an operating system like Android. Instead, they rely on the device vendor to do this, and the device vendor, wanting product differentiation, willingly cooperates, or even insists, on this happening outside of Google.

    What that means is that "Android version 4.1" is a meaningless way to compare Android devices with one another, since Samsung's version of 4.1 may not have identical bits with Sony's version of 4.1, since they were most likely cut from different development versions of the source tree, even if they were cut only hours apart.

    The bottom line here is that, even with a working security fix back-ported to "Android 4.1" is most likely going to result in a product reintegration, since the patch(es) will have to be rolled forward from the Google release branch of 4.1 (which has no additional changes past the Google release date) to the vendor's version of 4.1, which is a set of patches and productization on top of some code branch somewhere between Google's 4.1 and their 4.2. This is nearly as much effort as developing a new "model 720" phone with COGS-reduced parts, and based on the original "model 710" phone from that same vendor. The team which works on this "improved Android 4.1 for the 710" is a set of people who isn't working on the "model 730". As far as a vendor is concerned, that's spending good money to update a product for previous customers who aren't paying them money for the new improved version of the product, because "the old version is good enough".

    The second thing to know is that the carrier marketing model in the U.S. effectively discourages the carrier from updating the OS, even if the handset/tablet manufacturer were willing to integrate the bug fix and provide an update.

    In the U.S., a carrier locks you into a 2 year contract, and then offers you a 6 month "early update" to lock you into that carrier again for another two years after 18 months. The upshot of this is that they get to keep the captive user as a subscriber, in trade for a new handset, which is subsidized by the carrier, and the old handset has been fully paid for (and then some) by the monthly bill portion which pays for the "free" handsets in the first place.

    The net effect of this is that, if they update an old phone, unless they have a new phone with some compelling new feature(s), the customer is more likely to "ride out" the remaining six months on their contract, and then just switch carriers. The only real compelling features that differentiate one Android phone from another these days are the version of Android they are running. Sometimes there are minor changes in hardware, but frankly, there's usually no hardware change that's compelling enough to get someone to NOT

    1. Re:Updates are uneconomical by thoromyr · · Score: 1

      a good post. Too bad you couldn't resist an unrelated jab at Apple at the end. Bitter that new versions of OS X don't run on PPC? Now, compare the last date of manufacture for an Apple PPC system to that for the handsets. Then look at how long Apple provided new OS versions for PPC models. There are significant discrepencies, both in Apple's "favor"

      If you don't like Apple, great. But your insinuation against Apple just makes you look bad. The assertion that Apple stopped supporting PPC as a means for forcing users to upgrade falls flat when you notice that support lasted about as long as typical life cycle on hardware. If Apple were actually doing what you were alleging, they would've killed PPC support as soon as their market line up was all intel. But they didn't, not even close.

      The closest to that was the result of a judgement against Apple resulting from a lawsuit where the complaint revolved around OS X's builtin firewire drivers did not mean an Apple computer made before firewire would have working firewire when OS X was installed. It sounds convoluted, but some idiotic things require that much mental back tracking. After Apple lost OS X could no longer (directly) be installed on pre-firewire Macintosh systems. But that wasn't Apple's plan, it was the consequence of a lawsuit. At least in the OS X era, Apple has never dropped hardware support as a way to force users to buy new hardware.

    2. Re:Updates are uneconomical by reversible+physicist · · Score: 1

      NB: This is exactly the model that Apple also uses, in not providing newer versions of Mac OS X for hardware they are no longer manufacturing.

      Actually, Apple supports it's Mac hardware with new versions of OS X for several years after it stops making it, and then continues to release bug patches and security releases for old OS's for awhile longer. And since it has adopted the strategy of making their old designs their low-end phones, old phone hardware lives for many years!

      On the other hand, handset vendors that productize via carriers can't worry much about customer satisfaction with old devices, because they have no way to get carriers to release new versions for old handsets. So the situations aren't really parallel.

  37. Its about Choice :) by tuppe666 · · Score: 1

    Fragmentation is a problem as it undeniably results in a subpar experience

    No quite the reverse choice, Choice for consumers [through competition] has driven manufactures to produce such compelling hardware, It outsells Apple 4X worldwide, causing its share price to plummet.

  38. Or Even by tuppe666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We know iOS insecure because its jail broken every other week. Ironically done to have similar functionality of Android.

  39. Apple hates its customers. by tuppe666 · · Score: 0

    Nope, unlocking your phone is - which is different to jailbreaking.

    Your right Apple tried to make jailbreaking illegal and the EFF got an short *excemption*. Its still illegal for the iPad, and Apple still thinks its customers criminals.

  40. LOL by tuppe666 · · Score: 1

    one big problem wp8 and ios are too locked in and comes from two companies i do not trust

    I think windows phone 8 as bigger problems...starting with its not very good, and ending nobody wants it. iOs on the other hand is failing because it has failed to fragment :).

  41. iOs is poor by tuppe666 · · Score: 2

    I'm sorry in context of this article itunes is simply an extra security vector on my computer, and at best is bloat. It offers a poor service, and poor value [where are the free upgrades to flac]. On its own without the i*** its simply a poor product, my favorite music player at the moment is clemetine http://www.clementine-player.org/ I'll probably replace it with something else soon.

    As for iOS...its simply looking tired.

    1. Re:iOs is poor by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 0

      Then don't use iTunes. It's not been a requirement for ages. You may think it looks tired but at least it doesn't look tacky like android. I might be upset over flac if most of my music was flac but it's not and I can convert it to the open apple lossless format but in most cases I use spotify to save space. An iPhone isn't meant to be everything to everyone. You're free to use something else so if you want something more insecure and that rarely gets updated then use android.

  42. Ignores the obvious by chowdahhead · · Score: 1

    Without providing specific examples of malware that's led to security breaches, the article could be describing any mobile platform. In my opinion, the greatest threat isn't which operating system is running on a device, it's all of the morons carrying their devices on them and leaving them lying around without using any lockscreen security. Slide-to-unlock is the biggest problem.

  43. so that's what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    data's problem was.

  44. "pushing it on those same people"???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe they actually CHOOSE the things they buy.

    People will rather naturally choose freedom over tyranny.

  45. Open is only a name by tuppe666 · · Score: 0

    it doesn't look tacky like android. I might be upset over flac if most of my music was flac but it's not and I can convert it to the open apple lossless format but in most cases

    Sorry, Unlike Apples *police state* products, almost every part of Android is replaceable, you clearly have never used it. The fact that Apple does not support flac the industry standard, and again has gone off on its own standard says it all really...do you have to pay again to update to your DRM mp3's to this format?

    1. Re:Open is only a name by zieroh · · Score: 1

      Sorry, Unlike Apples *police state* products, almost every part of Android is replaceable, you clearly have never used it.

      Rhetoric much?

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    2. Re:Open is only a name by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      You're clearly a fanboy mongoloid so I'm not even going to bother.

  46. Fragmentation - get over it already by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 1

    Fragmentation is just another way for Android opponents to satisfy their OCD tendencies by saying "Look, it's not all the same". There isn't any platform under the sun which HAS NOT gone through revision changes, functionality changes, dictatorial UI changes, brainded patches and community "hacks" - jailbreaking/rooting included. Let's call a spade a spade; look at the versions of iOS which have come and gone and the problems that has caused for both applications AND development. Plenty of room to point a finger there and say "Umm.. you've broken your platform by changing something and therefore fragmented your application base". It's pointless to play the "fragmentation" card because in reality, every platform/OS has it to some degree.

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  47. What a load of alarmist crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Monoculture is always the weakest link.

    I guess some retard with a lot of money doesn't like having to make a choice and risk it being wrong, therefore blaming the lack of choice on their hesitancy.

  48. WaPo: Monocultures are good for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So how much did Apple pay the WaPo for this story?

  49. What I've learned from this thread by backwardsposter · · Score: 1

    Apple has really gotten into everyone's heads. "You still have the older version of the OS? You must have vulnerabilities, then! You must upgrade to iOS5! Er, Android iOS5..." security patches are made through my Android even though I'm still on Gingerbread.

    When it comes to Windows, everyone mods up using XP ten years later, but it's different with smartphones somehow? If there is a problem, it's not the lack of getting a new OS like many here have suggested (while that is frustrating it's not an option), it's the lack of pushing out security updates.

  50. Wrong by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I value security over freedom. But for most people with computers that is not possible to pull off without harm.

    That's what you miss, is that iOS offers a choice. You can have security OR freedom depending on preference. It just ships with "security" as the primary focus by default.

    Android offers no such choice. It's the same old BROKEN security model we have been using with traditional computers for years, which has spawned a sea of malware, viruses and pain for non-technical users.

    Why should those poor people not have a REAL choice, to be able to use computational devices without concern?

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    1. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you high or something? Android comes, by default, with the ability to install foreign apps TURNED OFF. The only reason you can install non-App Store apps on iOS is because Apple failed to make it illegal. The blindness of fanboys is truly incredible.

  51. Many ways by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    WTF? how do you get unapproved apps on an idevice?

    Any iOS enterprise development account.
    Or get a development account yourself and build for your device.
    Or jailbreak and load any apps you like without any kind of development environment.

    There are many paths.

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    1. Re:Many ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So...
      a) Be eligible and pay for enterprise account
      b) Install applications you wrote (or have source available)
      c) Rely on availability of bugs and legality of circumventing DRM.

      Many paths, indeed.

    2. Re:Many ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, pay to get a dev account, or wait for hackers to find an exploit that allows you to jailbreak your device? Absolute nonsense.

  52. If only this were true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We could reach for the stars! Get some giant solar panels and use them as a space sail combined with energy gathering for EmPropulsion.

  53. Fucking Barista by tuppe666 · · Score: 1

    MP3's are so 90s.

    You hipsters can move back to Vinyl if you want, but the rest of will live with the [almost] patent free format.

  54. Not sure you know how this works by tuppe666 · · Score: 1

    To take your analogy and run with it, your copies of Notepad and Paint have been updated, but not your OS or any 3rd party applications.

    Not really unlike Windows...Android comes with some serious first party Applications [we won't talk about Internet Explorer], and unlike Windows *automagically* updates this party applications too...oh and Android has been releasing security patches too :)

  55. So your choices are... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    run a random version of an operating system that might have several old exploits (but may also prove incompatible with payload code)
     
      or... Run the same version of the OS as everyone else and when an internet white list or similar "security" feature is implemented have no choice but to take it?
     
      I think I'll take my chances with directed attacks thanks.
     
      Since the government is monitoring all of our communications you'd think they'd have the ability to protect us from these exploits? I mean that's a pretty simple thing to add in... right?
     
    Not that your ISP is an acceptable security provider... but it certainly seems like a plausible attack vector for more terrifying government/military style attacks.
     
      I have this horrible sensation that my older computing and telecommunications hardware is more secure/unlikely to be targetted by big government than the newer stuff. In fact ideally it will have so little SPACE available that new poorly written exploits won't be able to run on it.
     
      96MB isn't enough for big brother :)

  56. Old news from 2002 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I joined Reuters London back in 2002, I bought an Archos Jukebox to listen to MP3s. At work I would sometimes download stuff and copy them over the USB to the 10G drive in the Archos. Then I realised that I could copy anything that I wanted, and for several years I did just that. After all, never know when it might be useful to have project planning documents to refer to when you need to write something similar at your new job.

    I noticed that my coworkers were not nearly so subtle. They just emailed their mates at another company for a copy of a document, loaded it up in Word and used find/replace to localize it. A careful reader like me noticed where the find/replace didn't quite catch everything. One blatant example was the headers/footers which contained the name of the original company who wrote the document, and some misspelled company names from the second company to use it, which our lad did not manage to catch with his find/replace. So we were actually the third company to use this wisdom.

  57. Untrue. by Andy+Prough · · Score: 1

    You do not have to be rooted to carry out realtime web scanning shields, real time messaging shields, scanning of downloaded apps and files for malware, etc. Rooted does give you some additional ability to install protective measures, but you should still be scanning for malware whether rooted or not. I chose not to root my phone. As far as this being an ad for Avast - the software is free, and I certainly don't work for the company, so the only people who may benefit from me posting some information about it is other users. And, there are several other security suites available - I would advise anyone to check around and use what's best for them.

  58. Possible, yes. But... by jscotta44 · · Score: 1

    ...the reality is that the vast majority of people only use Android devices for texting or calling. Just like they did with their feature phones. They were simply upgraded to an Android handset because the salesperson got a bonus for doing so and it was probably a free p.o.s. that fit the budget of the buyer perfectly.

    So, while it is "possible", it is very unlikely that the mass user base even know what can be done much less how to do it. Nor do they care.

    And your opinion about the malware problem "seem"ing to be overblown is meaningless. The facts are that Android devices are being compromised all over the world and real damage is being done to millions of owners.

  59. Bad example. Try again. by jscotta44 · · Score: 1

    Using the Kindle Fire as your example of an Android device doesn't work. Amazon forked Android and the Fire's OS is nearly unrecognizable as an Android device. However, I do understand your point and appreciate it.

    And thank you for taking the parent to task on the BS of what is legal on iOS.