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Apple Has a New Porn Problem

adeelarshad82 writes "Twitter's new iOS-only app, Vine, was prominently featured by Apple as an 'Editor's Pick' in its App Store the day it launched. However, given Apple's policies for adult content, they may have rushed the whole thing since this past Sunday, a number of news outlets ran stories covering the rise of easily-accessible pornography on the new video sharing app. As Joshua Topolsky explains, the situation draws even more attention to the vague and sometimes confusing rules of Apple's App Store guidelines, and more clearly showcases the sporadic and often unusual criteria the iPhone-maker uses to decide the fates of applications. So it will be interesting to see how Apple handles this given that they've never been shy about banning similarly racy apps in the past."

136 comments

  1. It's Not A Problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a feature!

    1. Re:It's Not A Problem. by buchner.johannes · · Score: 2

      lol, Customer Reviews from https://itunes.apple.com/app/vine-make-a-scene/id592447445

      Crash & Burn by MyStimpy: Crashes at start, please guys test your app!!! :(

      by Andysroo: Crashes immediately after opening on 4s :(

      Crash and burn by Dopey Flea: Like so many new apps this one crashes before it opens

      Maybe there are other problems to attend to first.

      What's the point of having the video sharing only within the app, not accessible through browsers?

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    2. Re:It's Not A Problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a feature!

      Apple needs something. They're sliding badly in markets outside the USA.

      In Asia's trend-setting cities, iPhone fatigue sets in

      In Singapore, Apple's products were so dominant in 2010 that more devices here ran its iOS operating system per capita than anywhere else in the world.

      But StatCounter gs.statcounter.com, which measures traffic collected across a network of 3 million websites, calculates that Apple's share of mobile devices in Singapore - iPad and iPhone - declined sharply last year. From a peak of 72 percent in January 2012, its share fell to 50 percent this month, while Android devices now account for 43 percent of the market, up from 20 percent in the same month last year.
      http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/27/us-apple-asia-idUSBRE90Q0IV20130127

    3. Re:It's Not A Problem. by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      It's Not A Problem. It's a feature!

      And for once, it really is.

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    4. Re:It's Not A Problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      huh I'm confused when did porn become a problem?!!

  2. Six seconds is all I need! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    To create a compelling story, duh!

  3. Lock in and Consumerism by webmistressrachel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple loves Twitter. It's 140-char limit and mentality (following celebrity and names rather than participating or creating) really encourages the kind of consumer thinking Apple depends on. I predict that they won't ban, they'll put pressure on Vine to remove adult content.

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    1. Re:Lock in and Consumerism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      After that, they'll pressure the Internet to remove all adult content as well. I've heard that it's possible to access this adult content from iOS devices.

    2. Re:Lock in and Consumerism by Joehonkie · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Just because you don't understand how to make your own tweets and follow your actual friends doesn't mean everyone else is that confused.

    3. Re:Lock in and Consumerism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you communicate with your friends with text messages less than 140 characters?
      You should ask yourself questions about yourself.

    4. Re:Lock in and Consumerism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you're a little too proud you managed to do this.

    5. Re:Lock in and Consumerism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sir, i'm not sure you understood what the GP meant by 'creating'...

      As such, your post has helped to prove the point a bit. If i had mod points right now, you'd be +1 Funny.

    6. Re:Lock in and Consumerism by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 2

      Anyone who communicates with me via text is not my friend. Friends use IM or email.

    7. Re:Lock in and Consumerism by c0lo · · Score: 0

      After that, they'll pressure the Internet to remove all adult content as well.

      This amounts to the removal of The Internet.
      If Apple - or anyone else - would ever ask for this, it's just easier to remove them from the Internet - it's not like it haven't happened in the past.

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    8. Re:Lock in and Consumerism by stewbacca · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't know where you've been lately but texts and IMs are virtually indistinguishable to me these days.

    9. Re:Lock in and Consumerism by webmistressrachel · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Just because you don't understand how to make your own tweets" - duh. In terms of intellect, making a tweet is like making a fart compared to the websites I've made that are at no1 for their subject (try timber recycling sometime) with content easily managed by non-techie staff.

      Just because your average level of communication is so shallow that Twitter's 140 chars is an appropriate venue for you and your ilk, doesn't mean the rest of the world has to like it, and the way it offers people who MIGHT have more to say an easy way of saying nothing after all... and forces on the rest a flood of gossip and crap from "popular" people that drowns out anything important they might have to say anyway, makes Twitter a rather negative communications medium overall.

      tl;dr: It dumbs us down, and encourages "sheep" mentality. Don't use it, don't be a sucker.

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    10. Re:Lock in and Consumerism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well said...

      same goes for faecebook..

      bunch of clueless n00bs who think they are living by reading other peoples mental diarrhea...

    11. Re: Lock in and Consumerism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would have been funny if your reply was less than 140 characters.

    12. Re:Lock in and Consumerism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's because IMs are words, not text, dummy.

    13. Re:Lock in and Consumerism by iapetus · · Score: 1

      The ability to get a coherent message into 140 characters isn't 'dumbing down' by any measure. Verbal diarrhea can be every bit as bad.

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    14. Re:Lock in and Consumerism by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Anyone who communicates with me via text is not my friend. Friends use IM or email.

      Are all your friends old people living in Korea?

    15. Re:Lock in and Consumerism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you're color blind. Texts are green, IMs are blue (at least on IOS 6, on Orange's Swiss network.

    16. Re:Lock in and Consumerism by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      In the US where texts cost money, but IMs are free.

    17. Re:Lock in and Consumerism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. You just realised how stupid it all actually is, from her blunt but honest comment, and felt stupid yourself. You then spent nearly 48 hours thinking of a smart reply to "bring her down a peg or two" with your low UID, which incidentally, doesn't disprove the GP, but seems to.

      Forcing that 140 character limit on users is, however, dumbing down, and you know it, which is why you changed the semantics. Are the mods really that dumb that you won't get modded as Redundant or Troll?

    18. Re:Lock in and Consumerism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In terms of intellect, making a tweet is like making a fart...

      I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead.
      -Mark Twain

      Brevity is the soul of wit
      -William Shakespeare

      Just because some tweets are useless and inane doesn't mean that all tweets are...don't judge the .00001% by the content of the other 99.99999%.

    19. Re:Lock in and Consumerism by iapetus · · Score: 1

      See, you're proving the point that being able to write more than 140 characters doesn't prevent you from being an irrational asshat with nothing useful to say. Everything you say in your first paragraph is inaccurate. Everything you say in your second paragraph is unsupported and subjective.

      In what way does imposing a 140-character limit constitute 'dumbing down'? You haven't done anything to defend that view, which isn't supported by reality. Yes, some people write dumb things in 140 characters. But some people write dumb things in more than 140 characters. Limiting the space does at least force you to consider what you're saying, especially if your initial attempt runs to slightly more than 140 characters, as you have to decide what is redundant and what isn't.

      The truth of it is as always that dumb people will say dumb things, and smart people will say smart things. The smart ones will use Twitter in ways where it's appropriate and other resources where Twitter isn't the right tool for the job. The dumb ones will make incoherent anonymous personal attacks on people on Slashdot, apparently.

      It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that Twitter is just for inanity, because unfortunately that's the majority content of the internet in general. But it can be useful, and the 140-character limit is not inherently dumbing down. And I suspect you know it, which is why you haven't defended that claim in the slightest and resorted to pitiful anonymous ad hominem.

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    20. Re:Lock in and Consumerism by crutchy · · Score: 1

      i actually agree somewhat with the op that imposing occasional limits on communication can force a little more thought into what is communicated.

      there are many corporate reports, news articles and even books that could be halved if rewritten more concisely.

      i've seen plenty of thick engineering reports that are full of numbers and pretty charts that could be replaced with a simple hand calc on a single sheet of paper.
      emergency services radio communication is another area where short concise messages are essential over longwinded waffle.
      another area where being concise is beneficial is debating.

      twitter is definitely for twits, but nitpicking twitter merely because of a character limit is flawed.

  4. Hmm... by tripleevenfall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps the author of TFA is unaware of the fact that iDevices all come with web browsers, which can show porn easily?

    1. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Perhaps you are unaware that Apple does not allow Apps that serve porn to last very long in the AppStore?

    2. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems to me that Apple is unaware of that as they're the one banning the apps

    3. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, like email, messages, phone calls, web browsing... it's not about serving porn, it's about cashing for porn, and Apple has decided they don't want to "touch that filthy" money.

    4. Re:Hmm... by alen · · Score: 1

      Not direct but porn is easy to get on the iPhone
      If you have an Apple TV it's easy to view it on your TV
      There are even streaming services set up to let you pay and stream porn on your iPhone and apple tv

    5. Re:Hmm... by icebike · · Score: 2

      Perhaps you are unaware that Apple does not allow Apps that serve porn to last very long in the AppStore?

      Its an app that posts short little movies. That's all it does. You can make a movie about anything, or nothing at all.

      Apple doesn't removed every app that could send or receive porn. There are dozens of such apps.

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    6. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say that like the GP doesn't get it. Like it's not common knowledge.

      The fact that it is common knowledge is part of the problem for Apple's walled garden; it cannot actually censor most user-generated content in time to prevent adult content getting uploaded and cannot deal with the volume of content anyway... and yet it does still seem to try.

      That last little bit is the funny part: watching all the moralizers attempting to cover up every piece of visible skin from every possible viewing angle, and in the process discovering that there are more dimensions than they knew about before.

    7. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone knows that. This has been a recurrent comment since 2008 when Apple opened the App Store.

      The difference is that Apple has Parental Controls that can disable Safari. There is no Parental Controls in the App Store (for 13+ etc.)

    8. Re:Hmm... by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      I think the point was that apple may have a PR problem, not a real "Oh my god, kids will see titties and will become sex perverts" problem. The chances of some idiotic overly-concerned parents organization realizing that safari gets on the web, and there's fucking on the web aren't zero, sure, but they're low.

      "New app! Twitter! Popular! Children! PORNOGRAPHY!" Repeat 20 times. Run on fox news for a day. Apple would have a bit of a problem then.

    9. Re:Hmm... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Apple doesn't removed every app that could send or receive porn.

      On the other hand, I remember there being a rule that if your app could possibly be used to display pornography via the Internet, it must have a "Adults Only"-type of rating.

    10. Re:Hmm... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      It's a marketing thing. The Apple image isn't consistent with getting porn FROM Apple. If you use Mobile Safari to get porn, it isn't coming from Apple. Apple isn't trying to stop people from getting porn, they're stopping people from getting it from Apple.

      This is one of the disadvantages of maintaining a walled garden: if everything there has to be approved, every approval and disapproval has political and marketing impact.

      If you want to change this, you need to convince enough of society that porn is a good thing, and that somebody supplying good-quality porn is looked on favorably. If you can accomplish that, I guarantee that Apple's porn policy will publicly change, about as fast as it went from "web apps are really all you need" to "here's the iOS SDK, submit your apps to the App Store".

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    11. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not really because they don't want you viewing porn, and more because they didn't like how the app store flooded with "sexy" apps that were native app reimplementations of video websites.

      Apple doesn't care if you use an app to get pron. They do care if your app contributes to the impression that their store is "full of smut".

      Note that they allow the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit app and Playboy app. Even though they would not allow random developers to submit apps with similar content. They also have a range of apps with built in web browsers and their own web browser all of which can view porn. there are even chatroulet style apps in spite of those apps mostly being a "view a random penis" platform.

  5. Old by RedHackTea · · Score: 5, Funny

    Twitter messages already introduced pr0n. 3===D ~~~~ ( @ Y @ )

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    1. Re:Old by inamorty · · Score: 1

      What's her name?

    2. Re:Old by Dr_Banzai · · Score: 1

      Sauce?

    3. Re:Old by Cruciform · · Score: 1

      The final frontier of twitter porn. Dick in dick porn. 3===D>===8

  6. Nanny gots some GOATSE.CX! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    Now it's really an "open platform". :-)

    Where's my ASCII rageface?

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  7. It is a problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apple hasn't figured out how to get people to sign up for porn using their (known to spouse) iTunes accounts, which means they can't get their 30%. That's their porn problem.

    1. Re:It is a problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple hasn't figured out how to get people to sign up for porn using their (known to spouse) iTunes accounts, which means they can't get their 30%. That's their porn problem.

      Apple did, however, figure out that banning porn apps is an easy way to score brownie-points with parents associations and christian conservative morality campaigners without pissing off their porn consuming customers who access porn via a web browser in privacy mode anyway and remain completely unaffected by the ban... and Apple can't tax porn downloaded via Safari now can it. Also most people don't want want to advertise the fact that they are porn consumers by having a porn app on their phone so banning porn apps probably isn't hurting Apple's bottom line all that much. This ban on porn apps is a complete joke, but it helps to sell their iDevices and anybody who still fears that their kids might download porn on their phone can ask their telco to put a content filter on their kids' mobile account while resting easy in the knowledge they can't bypass that barrier by downloading a porn app. Meanwhile vendors of encryption protected file storage apps are making brisk business (no prizes for guessing what drives a lot of those sales) and Apple is levying a 30% cut on ever one of them. So Apple has found a way to appease the conservatives while still finding a way to profit off of people's need to hide browser downloaded porn... genius.

  8. Just wait till apple finds out what's on the web. by Kenja · · Score: 1

    After all, in much the same way their web browser allows access to the most depraved porn mankind has to offer.

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  9. Derrick would like AssTime... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AssTime, the easy way to call ass-to-ass.

  10. Why are people surprised? by Bogtha · · Score: 0

    This is business as usual for Apple.

    The problem, of course, is that Apple has traditionally blocked porn and other adult apps from its App Store. Why hasn't Vine been included among them? Apple hasn't said, but possibly because Vine's expressed purpose isn't porn, but to share generic video.

    Possibly? Of course that's the reason. This has been the approach Apple has taken all along. Even Apple's own apps, such as Safari, can show adult content. So long as the rating is appropriate and the primary purpose isn't porn, it's fine.

    The only surprising bit here is that Vine managed to get away with a 12+ rating. That could quite possibly change very quickly.

    Years ago, however, apps didn't exactly dance around the subject of porn - they satisfied the demand, so to speak.

    No, Apple have always been reticent to allow those kinds of apps on the App Store. Their policy hasn't changed.

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    1. Re:Why are people surprised? by dagamer34 · · Score: 0, Troll

      The almost near instant removal of the 500px app last week which went above and beyond Apple's supposed guidelines is more proof that the company does not apply it's rules equally to all companies.

    2. Re:Why are people surprised? by nevillethedevil · · Score: 1

      The almost near instant removal of the 500px app last week which went above and beyond Apple's supposed guidelines is more proof that the company does not apply it's rules equally to all companies.

      Why the hell has this been modded troll? The 500px app WAS suddenly removed last week on the grounds that there is nudity and that it might have the potential get into the hands of children If you have the app installed then you are probably a member of the website AND have an interest in photography, therefore you are well aware of the nudity. If the standards by which these rejections are being made are based on potential, then Apple is being hypocritical and biased.

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    3. Re:Why are people surprised? by TheP4st · · Score: 1

      Apple is hardly unique in that they have different set of rules for different companies, I'd say that is pretty much the norm, it's just that with the app store it become much more visible than it normally does.

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    4. Re:Why are people surprised? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      The almost near instant removal of the 500px app last week which went above and beyond Apple's supposed guidelines is more proof that the company does not apply it's rules equally to all companies.

      Why the hell has this been modded troll?

      The 500px app WAS suddenly removed last week on the grounds that there is nudity and that it might have the potential get into the hands of children If you have the app installed then you are probably a member of the website AND have an interest in photography, therefore you are well aware of the nudity.

      If the standards by which these rejections are being made are based on potential, then Apple is being hypocritical and biased.

      I'm sure it's pure coincidence that nobody downloaded the Android version of the app until news broke that Apple had banned the iOS app after some "users" had complained about child porn showing up. One could almost suspect a viral marketing campaign.

      Just like the banning of the "drone attack" app had generated much more publicity than its approval would have.

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    5. Re:Why are people surprised? by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      The almost near instant removal of the 500px app last week which went above and beyond Apple's supposed guidelines

      The 500px app didn't have the appropriate age rating I mentioned. Funnily enough, 500px is back on the App Store now. The change? The age rating.

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  11. Features unavailable to web applications by tepples · · Score: 1

    There are HTML5 APIs that Safari for iOS has taken a long time to implement, such as the ability to upload photos taken with the camera app (<input type="file"> was completely unsupported until iOS 6) or the ability to access the device's camera with the user's permission (getUserMedia, still unsupported).

    1. Re:Features unavailable to web applications by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      I think you're still only allowed to upload a couple of file types. Their browser is intentionally crippled.

  12. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You can watch porn on the Youtube app as well. Or, for that matter, in Safari.

    Yes, Apple bans outright porn-o-matic apps and allows these. People seem to think that the App Store censors are like some kind of '60s sci-fi computer. "MUST BAN PORN...CAN'T BAN NATIVE APPS...NATIVE APPS CAN BE USED FOR PORN...ERROR! DOES NOT COMPUTE! *huge tape drives explode*

    Maybe, worst case, they add Vine to the PG-13 category, or whatever they call the possible-mature-content section of the store.

    1. Re:So? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      You can watch porn on the Youtube app as well. Or, for that matter, in Safari.

      Yes, Apple bans outright porn-o-matic apps and allows these. People seem to think that the App Store censors are like some kind of '60s sci-fi computer. "MUST BAN PORN...CAN'T BAN NATIVE APPS...NATIVE APPS CAN BE USED FOR PORN...ERROR! DOES NOT COMPUTE! *huge tape drives explode*

      Maybe, worst case, they add Vine to the PG-13 category, or whatever they call the possible-mature-content section of the store.

      Except those apps obey parental control settings. Set them low enough and no, you can't get porn in Safari or YouTube, other than mis-marked websites and videos (but those usually get flagged quickly). There is, after all, a global setting for parental controls that apps may obey. All of the built-in ones do that.

      And yes, that's usually the reason why alternative browsers (which don't obey the parental control settings) are marked as 18+ in the App Store. I'm sure Vine etc. should've marked themselves in that category (developers set the rating themselves as well as any warnings like mature content, etc.).

      A big problem is approvals are probably based on the ratings developers give their apps - mark it as no objectionable content and the threshold is a lot lower than if you marked it as 18+. Web services are worse since if it's user generated money^H^H^H^H^Hcontent, you don't know what users are going to post when approvals happen.

  13. Vine Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vine is a nice idea. But the implementation blows. Yeah, it was obviously "rushed through". It didn't even work until version 1.03 (and in an earlier version gave you access to other people's accounts). I've never seen non-Apple apps get so many versions through so quickly.

    As for the app, it's like they asked a person of the street what they wanted, and the guy said, "I want to have this separate from Twitter, unlike twitpic, for some reason. I want to have all kinds of crap on my feed I'm not subscribed to. I want to have to *manually* add my tweeps into my vine account. Then I want to download several versions of the software before it even works."

    This is Adam West Batman Reunion embarassing.

  14. It appears that Twitter has a problem by MCSEBear · · Score: 5, Informative
    Twitter has begun to censor porn related searches on Vine.

    Twitter's video-sharing app now blocks many searches for pornographic terms. Trying to search for the #porn hashtag (and other terms such as #sex, #boobs, and #booty) brings up no results at this time.

    1. Re:It appears that Twitter has a problem by TheP4st · · Score: 1

      Watch as hilarity ensues when they consult Pakistan for help with creating the list of blocked words and phrases. http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/11/20/209220/pakistan-bans-1600-words-and-phrases-for-texting

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    2. Re:It appears that Twitter has a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      time to start tagging all porn as #apple, #twitter, #vine etc

    3. Re:It appears that Twitter has a problem by mutube · · Score: 1

      other terms such as #sex, #boobs, and #booty) brings up no results at this time.

      I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of pirates suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

  15. Re:unclear subject by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Informative

    Twitter has introduced a video app which works a bit like short tweets. It lets you compose seven second video loops.

  16. Acceptable by andy1307 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    More and more things become acceptable as the stock hovers around 450.

  17. Porn is not a problem by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is people who think porn is a problem which is the problem.

    1. Re:Porn is not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Porn can be a problem because of how deeply erotic responses hook into quadruped brains. The wrong porn in the wrong circumstances can create a mess in a brain. However, censorship is a terrible way to approach the problem.

    2. Re:Porn is not a problem by hairyfish · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because animals watching porn is a huge problem in today's society...

    3. Re:Porn is not a problem by MimeticLie · · Score: 1

      Fucked up my mod. Apparently I'm bad at dropdowns.

    4. Re:Porn is not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Porn can be a problem because of how deeply erotic responses hook into quadruped brains. The wrong porn in the wrong circumstances can create a mess in a brain. However, censorship is a terrible way to approach the problem.

      Do you even have the slightest idea what youre talking about? I suppose not because everything you said makes absolutely no sense at all or is even real in way, shape or form.

    5. Re:Porn is not a problem by Smauler · · Score: 1

      There's a possibility this is the case, but studies don't show a good consensus. Just because you think fucked up porn causes fucked up people doesn't mean the studies back you up.

      Also, trying to stop fucked up porn is a failure from the start. If you want it, you can get it, and relatively easily too.

      I personally try to avoid it... that might be because I'm not fucked up, rather than the fact I'm worried about the legal implications.

    6. Re:Porn is not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucked up my mod. Apparently I'm bad at dropdowns.

      Motor skills impaired from too much Porn? Or just distracted by multi-tasking, i.e. reading slashdot while watching porn?

    7. Re:Porn is not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this is why I will never sign up for a Slashdot account. The one-sided moderation is so blatant my fifth grader can recognize it.

    8. Re:Porn is not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. It's yet another example of America forcing its conservative values onto the rest of the world.

    9. Re:Porn is not a problem by gigaherz · · Score: 1

      So are parents that buy smartphones for kids too young to watch porn, for that matter.

    10. Re:Porn is not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is people who think porn is a good thing which is the real problem.

    11. Re:Porn is not a problem by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Porn is a substitute for our natural insticts which are to pretty much have sex all the time. It is rather important we manage those instincts. To better know why, it would help to recognize where we came from. And I'm not talking about "adam and eve." For many, it helps to achieve that chemical balance we need to remain... for lack of a better word, balanced in life.

      I love it when people bring up children as if children are harmed by learning about their curiosities... curiosities driven by instincts they don't understand. Children aren't harmed by porn. They are harmed by lack of parental interest and guidance.

    12. Re:Porn is not a problem by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Bullshit.

      America's puritanical hypocrisy is hardly a secret, and yet "the rest of the world" as a whole keep slurping this shit up, knowing full well what's waiting for them. We're not talking about USGOV abusing DNS root servers here.

      America's not forcing shit on anyone here, and neither is Apple. If "the rest of the world" has so much of a problem with it, I suggest that they stop shelling out for the overpriced, under-featured shiny. Clearly, they just don't give a shit.

    13. Re:Porn is not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a possibility this is the case, but studies don't show a good consensus. Just because you think fucked up porn causes fucked up people doesn't mean the studies back you up.

      Also, trying to stop fucked up porn is a failure from the start. If you want it, you can get it, and relatively easily too..

      Actually the real failing with banning "messed up porn" is that if you can't get it than chances are you can make a lot of money crating it and distributing to others who also can't get it (yet).

    14. Re:Porn is not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your name could not be more appropriate. Porn is harmful precisely because of the reasons you state. The chemical balance. Viewing pornography spikes the dopamine levels in your brain, every "new woman" can deliver a new spike. The Internet is unprecedented in its ability to allow the user to hit spike after spike of dopamine. This is not something that is good for you, and not something that was possible before the Internet (or at least much harder to acheive). Now, if you have enough self control to regulate your porn consumption; then this is not an issue. But many don't, and fritter away their lives. "click", "click", "click".

  18. Consistency by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    It's nice to see people who are utterly clueless about Apple users misunderstand other groups of people to the same extent.

    If you're going to be clueless at least COMMIT, and by God you have done so.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  19. Re:Just wait till apple finds out what's on the we by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

    Apple vs. Porn the showndown!

  20. Gives new definition to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    this gives new definition to "you're holding it wrong" ...

  21. apple and other app stores need a adults only area by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 0

    apple and other app stores need a adults only area.

    At least android let's you side load with having to jailbreak.

  22. Web browsers and porn by tlambert · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure whether this applies to other web browsers, but Safari at least has the ability to be locked down via parental controls.

    However, I'm kind of looking forward to the day when the parental controls fail on some site, and an angry parent sues Apple for the content being displayed. If they have an anti-porn policy and parental controls in place to be "family friendly" (who under 18 can enter into a cell phone contract in the first place again?), then they have responsibility if "anything dirty" gets through.

    1. Re:Web browsers and porn by TheP4st · · Score: 1

      If they have an anti-porn policy and parental controls in place to be "family friendly" (who under 18 can enter into a cell phone contract in the first place again?), then they have responsibility if "anything dirty" gets through.

      Their lawyers covered that in the EULA.

      --
      "I have downloaded hundreds and hundreds of records, why would I care if somebody downloads ours?" Robin Pecknold
  23. Only if you make it a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's only an Apple problem if you make it a problem.

  24. Re:apple and other app stores need a adults only a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple's app store (others probably do as well) has something better - a rating system that can be used to restrict that apps are available. Unfortunately some people don't know a) that it exists and b) how to use it.

  25. Yes cuz safari... by barfy · · Score: 1

    won't load pornmd.com with specially formatted pages and videos for the iPhone. This is a stupid story...

    1. Re:Yes cuz safari... by TheP4st · · Score: 1

      This is a stupid story...

      Really?

      "Recently the company pulled a popular photo sharing application from its App Store called 500px citing the discovery of "pornographic images and material." Apple offered this statement:

      The app was removed from the App Store for featuring pornographic images and material, a clear violation of our guidelines. We also received customer complaints about possible child pornography. We’ve asked the developer to put safeguards in place to prevent pornographic images and material in their app."

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      "I have downloaded hundreds and hundreds of records, why would I care if somebody downloads ours?" Robin Pecknold
  26. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Vine poses a porn problem, that's nothing compared to what Mobile Safari is capable of. Do a search for Xhamster or Pornhub and ta-da! More porn than you could watch in a lifetime.

  27. Diving stock by CHIT2ME · · Score: 2

    This is all part of Apple's plan to rescue their plunging stock prices!

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    My karma is bad. Don't get too close!!!
  28. What were you expecting, kittens ? by kegon · · Score: 5, Funny

    I love this report about the article:

    One user, Taylor Winkelmeyer, wrote: "I clicked on the link because I thought the warning was a joke. "I am furious I had to see something like this. Someone please tell me how to get it off my feed."

    It's got to be fake, right ?

    1. Re:What were you expecting, kittens ? by Smauler · · Score: 2

      Sadly, I don't think it looks that way. See here and here.

      Now, usually I don't judge people quickly, especially by their online presence. Taylor Winkelmeyer may be an exception to this rule.

    2. Re:What were you expecting, kittens ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ugh, I don't blame you in the slightest... she left a bad taste in my mouth, and her (poor?) husband probably doesn't even get that much.

      I probably feel the same way about her as she feels about porn. It's confusing me.

    3. Re:What were you expecting, kittens ? by zeptic · · Score: 1

      With a name like that it's got to be real...

  29. Easily-accessible pornography? by dgharmon · · Score: 2

    You have got to be kidding, do you seriously think the pornography seekers had to wait until now to easily find porn? Des slashdot have to join in what looks like a blatent attempt to tarnish the Apple App Store by associating it with porn.

    "Vine lets you explore video categories with a hashtag, and a few quick searches for #sex, #porn, and some others that we'd prefer not to write down here show a number of graphic videos that feature male genitalia and recordings of pornographic videos streaming on laptops. That's just scratching the surface "

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    AccountKiller
    1. Re:Easily-accessible pornography? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just scratching the surface

      That's what she said. [ducks]

  30. Re:unclear subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So twitter reinvented ytmnd, just like they reinvented texting?

    Whoop dee fucking doo.

  31. Just more wanna-be "mommy" behavior by fyngyrz · · Score: 2

    It is notable that you can surf porn like crazy with Apple's own tool: Safari.

    Apple is not my mother. I already have a mother. She's already told me what she thinks, advised me, and set me loose within the world. Apple has no legitimate place in that hierarchy of trust and guidance. It belongs entirely to me.

    --
    I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
    1. Re:Just more wanna-be "mommy" behavior by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 0

      talk about melodramatic. it has nothing to do with being mommy. it has to do with business. apple has a market, and they cater to their market because that's who pays the bills. imagine if you owned a cafe, and you had a bulletin board where people could post want ads, missing pets, etc... now some loser comes in and puts up a bunch of nudie pics. you know a vast majority of your clientele are middle-class soccer mom types who would frown on such a thing. what do you do? take it down, or leave it up?

      if you don't like what apple does, maybe you can start your own multi-hundred-billion-dollar company and do it your way...

    2. Re:Just more wanna-be "mommy" behavior by bhagwad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In a cafe, people are forced to read what's on the bulletin board - it's in their face. For an app, you have to choose to download it and watch it. Ergo false analogy since your soccer moms will then have to explicitly download the porn. After which they can't complain.

      What Apple is saying is...well I don't know what they're saying other than "We don't want to give you the choice to explicitly watch porn if you choose".

    3. Re:Just more wanna-be "mommy" behavior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple does not cater or to ANYONE or any group. They cater to their bottom line. If it does not make Apple a profit or if they can't heavily tie it into their tight vertical business model, it does not get implemented. Plain and simple. Apple does not have departments that push products and services, they have a single decision structure and it is about Apple and Apple only.

      Catering would imply they have a lot of features and flexibility. They do not, never had and probably never will. They take things away on new models, they drop products and features with no warning, they are behind with features and functionality compared to the competition and their walled garden of services and interoperability is second to none.

      You can argue that simple and limited features and choice is was people want and the past sales numbers may support that to some degree but you can not say they are catering to what users want. Who does not want an FM receiver on a portable music player? Where is the revenue stream for Apple if they had included one?

      Comparing a twitter app to a public bulletin board is not the same thing at all.

      I do like this statement you said though.
      if you don't like what apple does, maybe you can start your own multi-hundred-billion-dollar company and do it your way...
      You claim they cater to people and then state that.
      Apples business model now is a balance of your freedom and Apple services with your flexibility and in the recent past the pendulum has been all on their side. Time and sales will tell if starts to swing some in the other direction and they actually start catering to people or simply keep doing it the way they are.

    4. Re:Just more wanna-be "mommy" behavior by stewbacca · · Score: 0

      Still wrong because you can watch porn on Safari.

    5. Re:Just more wanna-be "mommy" behavior by bhagwad · · Score: 3, Informative

      Which makes Apple's ham handed policies even worse for not being implemented in a standardized way.

    6. Re:Just more wanna-be "mommy" behavior by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      you know a vast majority of your clientele are middle-class soccer mom types who would frown on such a thing. what do you do? take it down, or leave it up?

      That's called "denial".

    7. Re:Just more wanna-be "mommy" behavior by mjwx · · Score: 1

      It is notable that you can surf porn like crazy with Apple's own tool: Safari.

      Apple is not my mother. I already have a mother.

      Apple is less your mother and more your jailer.

      It keeps you in walls, limits what you're allowed to see and do. Controls access and keeps you in an entirely self contained world under Apple's complete control.

      Your mother at least cares about what you want... Apple carries out it's own agenda regardless of what you want.

      --
      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
    8. Re:Just more wanna-be "mommy" behavior by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      All porn must be viewed through Apple.
      Apple must have a slice of all porn.
      Long live that dead guy that parks in handicapped spaces and refused to have a license plate because he is better than everyone else.
      Fuck him. Fuck his family and fuck his fanboys.

      --
      Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
    9. Re:Just more wanna-be "mommy" behavior by clemdoc · · Score: 1

      I think your analogy has its flaws, as has been pointed out already by others, but I had a great laugh when thinking about apple users as 'middle-class soccer mom types'.
      Thanks for that!

    10. Re:Just more wanna-be "mommy" behavior by programmerar · · Score: 1

      Maybe Apple just takes pride and a stance not to profit from porn. Maybe they want to be able to not have newspapers label them as "pornkings" after suddenly becoming the top porn retailer (if that would happen).

    11. Re:Just more wanna-be "mommy" behavior by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      if you don't like what apple does, maybe you can start your own multi-hundred-billion-dollar company and do it your way...

      Or, don't buy Apple products. Seems like a more reasonable alternative to me. Just sayin', you know...

    12. Re:Just more wanna-be "mommy" behavior by Kokkie · · Score: 1

      Protecting the "middle-class soccer mom types" against they themselves actively downloading porn isn't Apple's goal. The Apple stance has more to do about assuring parents that their pure and precious children can be trusted with an idevice by claiming it's impossible to actively/passively access porn (and that because of this the moms should buy their children an idevice instead of a dirty android). Don't mistake marketing for morality.

    13. Re:Just more wanna-be "mommy" behavior by bhagwad · · Score: 1

      What is there to be ashamed of? Porn is just another legal, honest business.

    14. Re:Just more wanna-be "mommy" behavior by programmerar · · Score: 1

      That's up for debate, but I'm sure you and most other people would agree that there is some social shame in porn - right or wrong.

    15. Re:Just more wanna-be "mommy" behavior by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I chuckled thinking about how you laughed about something that wasn't funny at all. It's pretty clear you were just feeling superior for a minute, for no particular reason since you almost certainly aren't superior in any way.

      Nerds are so fucking sad.

    16. Re:Just more wanna-be "mommy" behavior by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      What is there to be ashamed of? Porn is just another legal, honest business.

      I only wonder why it makes sure to avoid Android, like so many other legal, honest businesses do?

      --
      Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
  32. Re:Not to be taken for granted! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This problem shouldn't be taken for granted. I think the concerned individuals must really do something about it especially now that there is a law against pornographic viewing.

    Are you a spam bot? Neither of those sentences make sense, whether taken alone or together.

    This problem shouldn't be taken for granted.

    How can Apple take a problem like this for granted. What does that mean? To "take for granted" means
    "to expect something to be available all the time and forget that you are lucky to have it "

    Is Apple expecting this issue to be available for all time? Is Apple lucky to have it?

    I think the concerned individuals must really do something about it

    Who? Who is the "concerned individuals"? The concerned party in this case is either Apple (to whom the issue is concerned), or the people who dislike pornography (those who are concerned about the issue). It's not clear who you're talking about.

    especially now that there is a law against pornographic viewing.

    What law? Are you talking about the United States, some other Western democracy, or some backwards Sharia Law theocracy? Do you realize that Apple is an American company party to American laws, and not to the aforementioned Sharia Law?

  33. 7 seconds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Luckily for me, 7 seconds is all the time I need. (Posting as AC for obvious reasons)

  34. It is called security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Access to files from a browser should always be controlled/limited. Desktop or mobile. It is a security liability .... ask Microsoft's IE team why.

  35. Hardly a problem by ikaruga · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First off Mobile Safari and all the other reskins(the other iOS browsers). A huge chunk of internet porn is perfect visible by just having a browser. And with the adoption of HTML5 in the next few years, I'd go as far as saying 99% of the porn will be visible by just having a web browser(even with a gimped javascript engine on iOS). If Apple was really serious about porn, they wouldn't have a browser in first place. Or maybe they'd use something like Opera mini, that goes through their server, gets censored, and then goes to the client device. The only porn that I don't think will be visible using a browser are a few Japanese 3D erogames(the visual novels can be done using HTML5. actually I'm surprised they haven't done so yet)

    Then there is also offline viewing. iOS may not have file managers and it's codec selecting is limited, but its more than enough to view a video/pics uploaded uploaded through iTunes.

    The apps. Apple policies are BS. DeviantArt is filled with artistic nudes, softcore porn and furry and it has multiple apps on itunes. Pixiv(japanese deviantart like site) is about 30% hardcore hentai porn and it has apps as well. Reddit and its japanese great grand father 2ch have several native clients for iOS, and they are filled with porn. Twitter already had links to porn and its integrated on iOS. It's not very hard to find youtube videos with some nudity or obscene language and there is an app for that. The only popular website with NSFW content that seems to be banned from the Appstore is 4chan.

    Finally, the hypocrisy: their music and video stores have tons of potentially offensive content(not just nudity and sexual terms) that would be banned from the AppStore right off the bat. Never really understood the fuss about the apps.

    1. Re:Hardly a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is fine with porn as long as they can shift the blame onto somebody else: webbrowser? it's not us ma'am, the internet is like that. Deviant art? you require a user/login to see the racy content, and then it's Devianart's fault if they can't control their uploads. Racy videos from Christina Aguilera making air sex to anything that moves or doesn't move? It's fault of the whatever-rating-video producers abide, but it's not Apples fault, ma'am, we are angels, we are going to burn them now that we've noticed. Thanks for your complaint and please buy another iSuck on your way home.

    2. Re:Hardly a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally, the hypocrisy: their music and video stores have tons of potentially offensive content(not just nudity and sexual terms) that would be banned from the AppStore right off the bat. Never really understood the fuss about the apps.

      That's because you don't understand what Apple's policy actually is.

      Early on the app store was flooded with "sexy" apps that were just pictures or videos of bikini models. It was bad enough that it was not practical to brows the app store without encountering them.

      In response Apple banned those apps because they didn't want their store to be viewed as being "full of smut". They however also make lots of case by case exceptions like the playboy app. And their policy for "user generated content" is that the app must be rated appropriately (why pretty much all apps that allow you to view arbitrary content have an 18+ rating) and not just a porn viewer.

      Deviant Art for example is a picture sharing service. It's not a porn ring by design, and the apps are rated 18+ so Apple allows them.

  36. Porn is good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Porn is good, except for faggot porn. Say no to faggotry!

  37. And says this is so you won't see porn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which is why seeing porn on Safari despite this claim (which is used to reject apps of others) is noteworthy.

    It demonstrates that the claim "We won't let porn on our product so you can't sell your app on our store" is complete hogwash.

    (capcha: boners, oddly enough)

  38. If Apple doesn't want porn on iOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple will have to remove that kinky "Camera" app first and foremost !

  39. Playboy by WorkingDead · · Score: 1

    There is still a Playboy app available for iOS in the App Store.

  40. This just in... by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 1

    We're receiving reports from sources on the ground in Cupertino that there is PORN on the INTERNET! Stay tuned to the Obvious News Network for in-depth analysis of what this new internet pornography phenomenon means for Apple and iOS app vendors, coming up at six o'clock.

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  41. It is a bug. by leuk_he · · Score: 1

    And that bug will be fixed by a future version.

  42. Safari by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No problem finding porn with it.

  43. Betamax by WillgasM · · Score: 1

    I don't mind if Apples censors everything to death, because that's exactly what I would expect from Apple. Maybe one day the legions of braindead fanboys will finally get tired of having their toes stepped upon, and Apple will finally go the way of Betamax and HD-DVD. DARPA may have made the Internet, but porn made it prolific.