If you remove the ability for websites to link to one another reliably, you kill the web
based on your assumption, the web would already be dead (it would never have come "alive" in the first place), because DNS doesn't enforce the integrity or reliability of third party hyperlinks, which is why the web is already full of dead links
there are many cases where URLs are stable within the DNS, but its not really because of the DNS itself
many external links from websites need to be regularly checked and updated, so while removing DNS from the equation wouldn't make that better, it wouldn't make it any worse either
the only advantage of DNS in maintaing links is in the use of stable domains like wikipedia or slashdot, which you wouldn't expect to change and would likely work unmaintained for years, although these stable websites probably also don't need to regularly change IP addresses either (even if they physically relocate), so their stability would still be assured based on IP addressing (as much as any address, DNS or IP, can be "assured" anyway)
When I change my phone service provider I move my phone number along with me
but not automatically. you have to contact your phone service provider so they can switch it over in their system (unless you're talking about a mobile)
banks contact their customers all the time for all sorts of reasons (change to policy, bank statements, offers, etc), so mass mailing every customer regarding a change of URL would not be a big deal. there is also email, sms and various other ways to contact customers to ensure they don't mistakenly use the old IP address. also, i doubt an IP address previously used by a bank would be given up so soon (just because they move their server infrastructure doesn't mean they lose control of the old infrastructure, and a bank would retain old IP addresses for quite some time i would think due to regulatory requirements concerning privacy and security - remember the DNS isn't the most secure system either)
surely you can come up a better excuse for kissing ICANN's ass
except linux has nothing to gain from fanbois, whereas apple and microsoft depend on it (except microsoft's oem enslavement gives it an edge over apple), which is why torvalds doesn't really give a crap if stallman eats toe jam, and why a lack of viral fanaticism has led to the dismal failure of multiple microsoft product lines
the bigger companies get, the more they tend to eventually gravitate towards linux, which i very much doubt has anything to do with fanbois
i'm lazy. good enough? also, i think spelling is more important than capitalization of web forums, and hopefully i don't make too many smelling mistaks
first upheld principle of pr0n... you do not talk about pr0n (woops)
second principle of pr0n... it makes the internet go, so don't diss it
third principle of pr0n... there's nothing wrong with watching goatse.cx, as long as it doesn't have any fat chicks
Eventually Google, Apple, Microsoft, Samsung and every other rat-bastard corporation is going to form a patent pool and use it to lock out competitors in the mobile space.
...and then chinese companies come along, copy all of their designs, and there is absolutely nothing that google, apple, samsung, microsoft, etc can do to stop them
you can use a trusted reliable and stable proxy server. if there aren't any, they would appear if there were a demand for them
but in any case i have had the same residential IP address for 10 years, so i imagine a commercial web host wouldn't have the need to change IP addresses very regularly, and if they did changing IP addresses wouldn't be as much a problem as changing domain names, because customers wouldn't identify/remember you by your IP address, so IP addresses don't have the same corporate image importance as domain names
dead links wouldn't be a huge problem because the only links you would need to maintain are with the major search engines anyway. there may be a few other places where website links are shared (such as in facebook), but if someone wants to look up your company there is always google/bing/etc (including web directories that would begin to appear like phone books for the web).
if the web contains dead links from spammers or banner ad pages or link farms or whatever, who cares? dead links have always existed, and they are the reason why the web has become less link-driven and more search-driven. for pages like wikipedia with external links, or if your website has a links page to external sites, there should be a process in place to regularly check the links anyway because even links with DNS addresses can change without notice, so if you aren't diligent enough to keep on top of IP address-based links, you probably aren't adept enough to keep on top of DNS-based links or manage a web site at all
also, there may be a perceived need for DNS, but its not a technical one. if people like using DNS they are free to do so, but if it all came to a grinding halt one day (most likely due to ICANN's gross incompetence) or there is a revolt of the people against ICANN/DNS, there is a possible way to become relieved of their stupidity.
there may be "many problems", but they are hypothetical and social, not technical hurdles.
my point was merely that the technical feasibility to break free of ICANN exists in the hands of google and bing. whether you want to lobby them to make the change is entirely up to you:)
People keep suggesting decentralised DNS, but I'm not convinced it's a workable solution.
DNS isn't strictly required to access websites on the web, except for its use in the host header which helps apache pick which virtual host to serve up to you.
HOW TO MAKE ICANN IRRELEVENT:
1. Google (or Bing, or both) begins by indexing the current system (they most likely already have)
2. Google tweakes their engine so that people can go to the google homepage (http://74.125.237.129 for example - out of many, which could easily be saved as a favourite in any browser), enter their search, and google results link to a google program that constructs the http request (with the "host" header based on their index saved from step 1) for you without using the DNS. clicking google search results already go through google anyway.
3. whala! going through google (or Bing) doesn't require the DNS any more
4. eventually rather than depending on search engines for connection to websites, the w3c might sit up and take notice, and build in some kind of URL addendum, such as http://100.100.100.100//myvirtualhost/index.html (two slashes between ip address and host name)
5. browsers conforming to such new scheme eventually being able to navigate to websites directly without the DNS.
6. decentralised internet is born! (based on a technologically enforced addressing system - so no need to worry about squatters or people stealing your address)
ok so now addresses are a little longer and harder to remember, but just as phone books have been around for years already, internet directories will have a resurgence (until someone comes up with some new fancy means of accessing or identifying things)
also doesn't require regulatory reform or permission/agreement from ICANN
wouldn't that burst ICANN's (and the US government who ultimately governs it) bubble?
Slashdot Mirror
If you remove the ability for websites to link to one another reliably, you kill the web
based on your assumption, the web would already be dead (it would never have come "alive" in the first place), because DNS doesn't enforce the integrity or reliability of third party hyperlinks, which is why the web is already full of dead links
there are many cases where URLs are stable within the DNS, but its not really because of the DNS itself
many external links from websites need to be regularly checked and updated, so while removing DNS from the equation wouldn't make that better, it wouldn't make it any worse either
the only advantage of DNS in maintaing links is in the use of stable domains like wikipedia or slashdot, which you wouldn't expect to change and would likely work unmaintained for years, although these stable websites probably also don't need to regularly change IP addresses either (even if they physically relocate), so their stability would still be assured based on IP addressing (as much as any address, DNS or IP, can be "assured" anyway)
When I change my phone service provider I move my phone number along with me
but not automatically. you have to contact your phone service provider so they can switch it over in their system (unless you're talking about a mobile)
banks contact their customers all the time for all sorts of reasons (change to policy, bank statements, offers, etc), so mass mailing every customer regarding a change of URL would not be a big deal. there is also email, sms and various other ways to contact customers to ensure they don't mistakenly use the old IP address. also, i doubt an IP address previously used by a bank would be given up so soon (just because they move their server infrastructure doesn't mean they lose control of the old infrastructure, and a bank would retain old IP addresses for quite some time i would think due to regulatory requirements concerning privacy and security - remember the DNS isn't the most secure system either)
surely you can come up a better excuse for kissing ICANN's ass
is that you ICANN?
how valuable can your contribution be
if you value contribution based on capitalization, then how much can i possibly give a rats about how much you value my contribution?
signed: willfully negligent disrespectful immature boy
i get paid to be professional for 40 hours a week. when i get home usually the last thing i'm thinking about is being professional
:)
if you want to pay me to be professional on slashdot, i'll start capitalizing sentences
after all, its pretty hard for someone to be considered professional if they aren't paid
I find them annoying to read
dammit you stumbled on the real reason why i do it :)
except linux has nothing to gain from fanbois, whereas apple and microsoft depend on it (except microsoft's oem enslavement gives it an edge over apple), which is why torvalds doesn't really give a crap if stallman eats toe jam, and why a lack of viral fanaticism has led to the dismal failure of multiple microsoft product lines
the bigger companies get, the more they tend to eventually gravitate towards linux, which i very much doubt has anything to do with fanbois
stick to the script marketbot
ftfy
Could it be unpaid fanbois? Is Microsoft the new Apple?
where can i get hold of the new iWindows? does it come with rounded corners?
i'm lazy. good enough? also, i think spelling is more important than capitalization of web forums, and hopefully i don't make too many smelling mistaks
falsely analytical
wtf are you smokin?
try vulva instead, or even better... testicles (goes with the whole goatse thing better)
are you kidding! it would be viral in like 5 minutes, and you give law enforcement WAAAAY too much credit
he must be a facebook exec who knows just how retarded facebook users become after using it
dude, this is slashdot, the home of ex-IT, now jobless bums. browsing slashdot IS work.
you're just pissy cos you were stupid enough to click the link... now you're trying to blame your stupidity on everyone else
so i guess some of your work colleagues saw the pr0n on your screen, and now they all think you're a fag?
first upheld principle of pr0n... you do not talk about pr0n (woops)
second principle of pr0n... it makes the internet go, so don't diss it
third principle of pr0n... there's nothing wrong with watching goatse.cx, as long as it doesn't have any fat chicks
now hold on there. sure you can't hate your IT department THAT much?
no, it means you're a moron if you click unknown random links on ANY web page at work
if you're really that thick maybe your employer is looking for an excuse to fire you
Eventually Google, Apple, Microsoft, Samsung and every other rat-bastard corporation is going to form a patent pool and use it to lock out competitors in the mobile space.
is shit
you can use a trusted reliable and stable proxy server. if there aren't any, they would appear if there were a demand for them
:)
but in any case i have had the same residential IP address for 10 years, so i imagine a commercial web host wouldn't have the need to change IP addresses very regularly, and if they did changing IP addresses wouldn't be as much a problem as changing domain names, because customers wouldn't identify/remember you by your IP address, so IP addresses don't have the same corporate image importance as domain names
dead links wouldn't be a huge problem because the only links you would need to maintain are with the major search engines anyway. there may be a few other places where website links are shared (such as in facebook), but if someone wants to look up your company there is always google/bing/etc (including web directories that would begin to appear like phone books for the web).
if the web contains dead links from spammers or banner ad pages or link farms or whatever, who cares? dead links have always existed, and they are the reason why the web has become less link-driven and more search-driven. for pages like wikipedia with external links, or if your website has a links page to external sites, there should be a process in place to regularly check the links anyway because even links with DNS addresses can change without notice, so if you aren't diligent enough to keep on top of IP address-based links, you probably aren't adept enough to keep on top of DNS-based links or manage a web site at all
also, there may be a perceived need for DNS, but its not a technical one. if people like using DNS they are free to do so, but if it all came to a grinding halt one day (most likely due to ICANN's gross incompetence) or there is a revolt of the people against ICANN/DNS, there is a possible way to become relieved of their stupidity.
there may be "many problems", but they are hypothetical and social, not technical hurdles.
my point was merely that the technical feasibility to break free of ICANN exists in the hands of google and bing. whether you want to lobby them to make the change is entirely up to you
that's the reason why there's favourites/bookmarks in your browser
how many people remember all their friends phone numbers? answer is they don't. they add contacts in their phones
but hey if you don't mind relying on asscann or have a better idea, be my guest. i'm certainly not holding a gun
how can you currently tell if http://mybank.com/ is really your real bank?
you just know that it is because you trust the identifyer (mybank.com)
just as if you contacted your bank (or pinged mybank.com before abandoning the DNS) you would be able to find out a trustworthy IP address
People keep suggesting decentralised DNS, but I'm not convinced it's a workable solution.
DNS isn't strictly required to access websites on the web, except for its use in the host header which helps apache pick which virtual host to serve up to you.
HOW TO MAKE ICANN IRRELEVENT:
1. Google (or Bing, or both) begins by indexing the current system (they most likely already have)
2. Google tweakes their engine so that people can go to the google homepage (http://74.125.237.129 for example - out of many, which could easily be saved as a favourite in any browser), enter their search, and google results link to a google program that constructs the http request (with the "host" header based on their index saved from step 1) for you without using the DNS. clicking google search results already go through google anyway.
3. whala! going through google (or Bing) doesn't require the DNS any more
4. eventually rather than depending on search engines for connection to websites, the w3c might sit up and take notice, and build in some kind of URL addendum, such as http://100.100.100.100//myvirtualhost/index.html (two slashes between ip address and host name)
5. browsers conforming to such new scheme eventually being able to navigate to websites directly without the DNS.
6. decentralised internet is born! (based on a technologically enforced addressing system - so no need to worry about squatters or people stealing your address)
ok so now addresses are a little longer and harder to remember, but just as phone books have been around for years already, internet directories will have a resurgence (until someone comes up with some new fancy means of accessing or identifying things)
also doesn't require regulatory reform or permission/agreement from ICANN
wouldn't that burst ICANN's (and the US government who ultimately governs it) bubble?