Actually patents and IP law are the basis in which a knowledge driven economy can even work.
If work you've done could be decompiled and reverse engineered and your competitors can put a product on the shelf that undercuts your price because they didn't have to pay for R&D, then why bother even going to market? That's the end of innovation.
Yes, what patent trolls like Intellectual Ventures is blatantly wrong, but that's a flaw in the system, not with the patent concept as a whole.
because a vast majority of users aren't happy. Needless to say, Windows 8 will also retain the classic shell. Probably able to strip it down to the "Classic" shell too.
Besides, redistribution and reproduction of copyrighted material isn't new. Nor is it tyranny. If you want tyranny move to an African or Middle Eastern country going through massive upheaval.
Piracy is inevitable with MAME, unless you dump your own ROMs. No one offers legit ROMs for sale, and I'm taking it you're not the type who plays modern arcade games like Street Fighter or Blaz Blue.
Not necessarily true. While this doesn't work when forced, manufacturing and other work co ops work well. Removing a middle and upper managers who think in the short term about profits and having workers who rely on that job tends to work out pretty well.
I see a false dichotomy. It's not one or the other, both forms of running business work, it depends entirely on the competency of whoever is running the joint.
Yeah, but, the point being is that Apple isn't panicking necessarily about Android, but rather the idea that their IP is being stolen in order to compete with them.
Seriously? Yes, it did and does work. What caused everything to break down was that the last 20 years of American politics has taken an intellectual dive. It wasn't sound, it isn't about Keynesian or Austrian School, it's about competency.
There is no conspiracy to use Keynesian economics to screw us. There's a conspiracy to use morons to tank our Government. You're not helping by insisting that the problem is Government's existence.
Except the Government can tax him, because it is legal.
If he doesn't like it, he can move to somewhere that fits his libertarian ideals better.
We tried your approach to Government. it doesn't work. It screws the poor. Why do you refuse to listen to the fact that rich people have immense amounts of leverage against the poor?
Yes, Flash is a proprietary multimedia format. That doesn't change the fact that by not allowing Flash on iOS, Apple is preventing iOS users from accessing a lot of online content. That has forced many sites (YouTube, for example) to stop using Flash so iOS devices can view their content. It doesn't matter that Flash is annoying, slow, and proprietary, this is still a clear-cut case of Apple making a unilateral decision on web technology.
Let me be more clear and frank.
Flash isn't a web standard. It's optional.
I don't have to fill my CSS and JavaScript with IE specific markup and IE specific try/catch blocks.
BTW just because Microsoft uses tamper resistant screws doesn't mean it's not a violation of consumer rights. If you can't fix it, you don't really own it.
If I had a problem with my iPhone's logic board, even if it didn't use tamper resistant screws I probably couldn't fix it due to just how damn complicated the board would be. Does that mean that VLSI design is a violation of consumer rights?
Besides, the pentalobe screws the iPhone uses are standard(Like triwing and torx). You can pick up pentalobe drivers at any decent electronics supply store.
Please don't put words into my mouth. Inever said you choose Apple products because they're shiny or trendy. Why you like Apple products is irrelevant here. What I was referencing was the fact that you were moved enough by my comparison of Apple with Microsoft to comment about it on the internets.
When you said that Apple users are in a cult of personality around Jobs and their trendy image. You didn't say it outright but you certainly implied it.
The comparison still stands. They're both entirely motivated by greed. Ethics takes a back-seat to profit. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the main reason we all hate Microsoft? Why call one company out on their ethics violations and not another?
Greed is any major corporation's motivator. But, that's not why I hate Microsoft. You can pursue greed by putting out decent products and not shitting all over the internet's ecosystem.
Yes, Flash is a proprietary multimedia format. That doesn't change the fact that by not allowing Flash on iOS, Apple is preventing iOS users from accessing a lot of online content. That has forced many sites (YouTube, for example) to stop using Flash so iOS devices can view their content. It doesn't matter that Flash is annoying, slow, and proprietary, this is still a clear-cut case of Apple making a unilateral decision on web technology.
You mean like when GNU/Freetards were all up in arms about GIF patents? YouTube's still using Flash, just not for their mobile site.
As for the interrogations, sources are here, and here, and here. If that isn't a totalitarian management strategy, Idon't know what is.
Except the first story is about Foxconn, and the other two are about one guy(and the first story is a retelling of the second) with uncorroborated tales of abuse.
Wow. It's almost as if you take my dislike of Apple personally. You're like some Knight in Glossy Plastic Armour come to defend the honour of his greedy corporate Lady.
Because I'm tired of being told that the reason why I chose Apple is that it's trendy and shiny? Heaven forbid someone buy Apple because they like the OS or like the hardware.
Apple's a big boy. They can take care of themselves. When you shit on Apple fans, that's a different story.
First off, Apple is their own OEM, and their products obviously only ship with their own software. You can't buy a Mac with Linux or Windows on it. However, Apple's gone one further and said if you want to use OSX, you *must* to buy one of their overpriced machines. The EULA prohibits you from putting OSX on anything not made by Apple, and the OS is designed to not work with non-Apple computer architecture. There is the Hackintosh, but those don't count because most people don't have the time or skills to build one. Next!
So? It's not like Apple isn't including software in the box that allows you to install competing OSes on their machines. Being upset that OSX being designed specifically for Apple hardware is a giant tempest in a teapot.
Like anon said above, Apple refuses to allow flash on iOS.
Flash isn't a standard. It's a proprietary multimedia format. Besides, Safari, both iOS and OSX, doesn't require me as a web developer to load my javascript code with browser specific code. IE, even IE9, is rife with that shit.
Now for the rest of the comparison. Both Apple and Microsoft take out patents on things that are not legally patentable (tell me how can you patent form factor? because that's what Apple is suing Samsung over). Both Apple and Microsoft also use costly court battles over those patents to quash competition. They both outsource production of hardware to sweatshops (Apple's actually worse than MS here; Foxconn, the factory that makes iPhones, had 14 suicides and 4 more attempts between January and November 2010 due to poor working conditions. The factory was also the epicentre for the Chinese worker strikes of 2010).
There are also some pretty awful things Apple does that Microsoft doesn't do. MS never kept employees locked up while they interrogated them individually for hours at a time over leaks like Apple did over the iPhone 4. MS doesn't switch phillips with tamper-resistant screws when they repair your electronics to keep you from changing batteries yourself. MS doesn't track your every movement with their smartphones. And MS doesn't try to pass its products off as a lifestyle like Apple does.
I'm not going to defend their manufacturing practices. The Zune and the 360 are also made at Foxconn factories, that's not why I hate Microsoft. Nor will I comment on the leak comments because, quite frankly, I have no goddamned idea what you're talking about. Source please? BTW, the Zune and 360 both use tamper resistant screws to begin with.
're fooling yourself if you think Apple is anything but a giant corporation which cares about nothing but money.
They sure do. Unlike other electronics firms though, they're not out to sell me crap in exchange for my money.
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Actually patents and IP law are the basis in which a knowledge driven economy can even work.
If work you've done could be decompiled and reverse engineered and your competitors can put a product on the shelf that undercuts your price because they didn't have to pay for R&D, then why bother even going to market? That's the end of innovation.
Yes, what patent trolls like Intellectual Ventures is blatantly wrong, but that's a flaw in the system, not with the patent concept as a whole.
Yes. Copyright is entirely too long but tyranny? Try living in a real tyrannical system before using hyperbole.
because a vast majority of users aren't happy. Needless to say, Windows 8 will also retain the classic shell. Probably able to strip it down to the "Classic" shell too.
You can dump your own ROMs :P
Besides, redistribution and reproduction of copyrighted material isn't new. Nor is it tyranny. If you want tyranny move to an African or Middle Eastern country going through massive upheaval.
Piracy is inevitable with MAME, unless you dump your own ROMs. No one offers legit ROMs for sale, and I'm taking it you're not the type who plays modern arcade games like Street Fighter or Blaz Blue.
Just buy a cab and boards instead.
Not necessarily true. While this doesn't work when forced, manufacturing and other work co ops work well. Removing a middle and upper managers who think in the short term about profits and having workers who rely on that job tends to work out pretty well.
I see a false dichotomy. It's not one or the other, both forms of running business work, it depends entirely on the competency of whoever is running the joint.
Yeah, but, the point being is that Apple isn't panicking necessarily about Android, but rather the idea that their IP is being stolen in order to compete with them.
uh
Year+ old iPhone 4 and 2+ year old iPhone 3GS beating highest end EVO phones on the market.
What
Let me be more concise.
Seriously? Yes, it did and does work. What caused everything to break down was that the last 20 years of American politics has taken an intellectual dive. It wasn't sound, it isn't about Keynesian or Austrian School, it's about competency.
There is no conspiracy to use Keynesian economics to screw us. There's a conspiracy to use morons to tank our Government. You're not helping by insisting that the problem is Government's existence.
Seriously?
No.
In Google's case, it goes into everything they do. Including GoogleTV and Android. Which is pretty fucking crass.
If it weren't for GTV and Android doing this, I'd probably be OK with it.
Except the Government can tax him, because it is legal.
If he doesn't like it, he can move to somewhere that fits his libertarian ideals better.
We tried your approach to Government. it doesn't work. It screws the poor. Why do you refuse to listen to the fact that rich people have immense amounts of leverage against the poor?
no, he's a tax cheat. Sixteenth amendment gives the federal government the right to tax income.
Your accusations are so crazy I went after the low hanging fruit. These guys aren't the pull yourself up from your bootstraps type you think they are.
Uh, Peter Schiff's dad, Irwin, is a notorious tax kook, and obscenely rich.
Yes you can start life off with more than someone else.
Rogers, faber and schiff were born with a silver spoon in their mouths.
It's easy to score when you start on third base.
in my previous line of work, I was a Maps JS dev. I always wondered who was using the Flash API... I guess now that answer is "no one."
Twenty years ago, this was a major paradigm in PC gaming. You get the introductory set of levels free, you get the rest when you cough up the dough.
What happened? Why is this paradigm now evil?
Who made flash a standard? ISO? W3C?
Adobe's trying to set the standard, and unfortunately their software sucks.
You can pick up a pentalobe screwdriver for 2 bucks. Jeez.
I'll concede that Apple's doing the same shitty manufacturing as everyone else, but this false equivalence is stupid.
I'm a fanatic for the brand because it's worth being fanatical over. Apple hasn't screwed me the same way that Compaq, Acer, Asus, et al have.
Yes, Flash is a proprietary multimedia format. That doesn't change the fact that by not allowing Flash on iOS, Apple is preventing iOS users from accessing a lot of online content. That has forced many sites (YouTube, for example) to stop using Flash so iOS devices can view their content. It doesn't matter that Flash is annoying, slow, and proprietary, this is still a clear-cut case of Apple making a unilateral decision on web technology.
Let me be more clear and frank.
Flash isn't a web standard. It's optional.
I don't have to fill my CSS and JavaScript with IE specific markup and IE specific try/catch blocks.
BTW just because Microsoft uses tamper resistant screws doesn't mean it's not a violation of consumer rights. If you can't fix it, you don't really own it.
If I had a problem with my iPhone's logic board, even if it didn't use tamper resistant screws I probably couldn't fix it due to just how damn complicated the board would be. Does that mean that VLSI design is a violation of consumer rights?
Besides, the pentalobe screws the iPhone uses are standard(Like triwing and torx). You can pick up pentalobe drivers at any decent electronics supply store.
Please don't put words into my mouth. Inever said you choose Apple products because they're shiny or trendy. Why you like Apple products is irrelevant here. What I was referencing was the fact that you were moved enough by my comparison of Apple with Microsoft to comment about it on the internets.
When you said that Apple users are in a cult of personality around Jobs and their trendy image. You didn't say it outright but you certainly implied it.
The comparison still stands. They're both entirely motivated by greed. Ethics takes a back-seat to profit. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the main reason we all hate Microsoft? Why call one company out on their ethics violations and not another?
Greed is any major corporation's motivator. But, that's not why I hate Microsoft. You can pursue greed by putting out decent products and not shitting all over the internet's ecosystem.
Yes, Flash is a proprietary multimedia format. That doesn't change the fact that by not allowing Flash on iOS, Apple is preventing iOS users from accessing a lot of online content. That has forced many sites (YouTube, for example) to stop using Flash so iOS devices can view their content. It doesn't matter that Flash is annoying, slow, and proprietary, this is still a clear-cut case of Apple making a unilateral decision on web technology.
You mean like when GNU/Freetards were all up in arms about GIF patents? YouTube's still using Flash, just not for their mobile site.
As for the interrogations, sources are here, and here, and here. If that isn't a totalitarian management strategy, Idon't know what is.
Except the first story is about Foxconn, and the other two are about one guy(and the first story is a retelling of the second) with uncorroborated tales of abuse.
uh, the clone program went from 1995 until 1998.
Wow. It's almost as if you take my dislike of Apple personally. You're like some Knight in Glossy Plastic Armour come to defend the honour of his greedy corporate Lady.
Because I'm tired of being told that the reason why I chose Apple is that it's trendy and shiny? Heaven forbid someone buy Apple because they like the OS or like the hardware.
Apple's a big boy. They can take care of themselves. When you shit on Apple fans, that's a different story.
First off, Apple is their own OEM, and their products obviously only ship with their own software. You can't buy a Mac with Linux or Windows on it. However, Apple's gone one further and said if you want to use OSX, you *must* to buy one of their overpriced machines. The EULA prohibits you from putting OSX on anything not made by Apple, and the OS is designed to not work with non-Apple computer architecture. There is the Hackintosh, but those don't count because most people don't have the time or skills to build one. Next!
So? It's not like Apple isn't including software in the box that allows you to install competing OSes on their machines. Being upset that OSX being designed specifically for Apple hardware is a giant tempest in a teapot.
Like anon said above, Apple refuses to allow flash on iOS.
Flash isn't a standard. It's a proprietary multimedia format. Besides, Safari, both iOS and OSX, doesn't require me as a web developer to load my javascript code with browser specific code. IE, even IE9, is rife with that shit.
Now for the rest of the comparison. Both Apple and Microsoft take out patents on things that are not legally patentable (tell me how can you patent form factor? because that's what Apple is suing Samsung over). Both Apple and Microsoft also use costly court battles over those patents to quash competition. They both outsource production of hardware to sweatshops (Apple's actually worse than MS here; Foxconn, the factory that makes iPhones, had 14 suicides and 4 more attempts between January and November 2010 due to poor working conditions. The factory was also the epicentre for the Chinese worker strikes of 2010).
There are also some pretty awful things Apple does that Microsoft doesn't do. MS never kept employees locked up while they interrogated them individually for hours at a time over leaks like Apple did over the iPhone 4. MS doesn't switch phillips with tamper-resistant screws when they repair your electronics to keep you from changing batteries yourself. MS doesn't track your every movement with their smartphones. And MS doesn't try to pass its products off as a lifestyle like Apple does.
I'm not going to defend their manufacturing practices. The Zune and the 360 are also made at Foxconn factories, that's not why I hate Microsoft. Nor will I comment on the leak comments because, quite frankly, I have no goddamned idea what you're talking about. Source please? BTW, the Zune and 360 both use tamper resistant screws to begin with.
're fooling yourself if you think Apple is anything but a giant corporation which cares about nothing but money.
They sure do. Unlike other electronics firms though, they're not out to sell me crap in exchange for my money.
When has apple demanded OEMs ship their OS or else? When has apple tried to unilaterally decide on web technologies?
End of an era. /. is and has been in good hands.
What do you plan to do from now on? Are you going to pursue the Peter Gibbons dream of doing nothing?