For those of us who know what we're doing, sure this is offensive.
For those who decide that spending 99cents on Justin Bieber wall papers that also snoop on their private conversations, that's a different story.
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Stop derailing the conversation.
yes, people whoa re used to S40 can pick up S60, but, the features are hampered by poorly written software, and growth is all about who DOESN'T have a smart phone right now.
The J2ME environment is simply NOT optimal anymore for apps, especially the symbian environment. The UI is crap. Nokia's sales are down in their own back yard. They're losing sales in their traditionally stronger markets(see Elop's burning platform memo). Symbian is dead.
Only on slashdot and other tech blogs can something so trivial as the PS3's DRM be considered as bad as what happened to Lisa McPherson, or any other number of deaths, morbidities or other horror stories to come out of the COS.
Hell, once I saw someone say that we should riot in the street Egyptian style because of what Sony's doing. Here's a bit of perspective. Egyptians rioted on the streets because they couldn't eat. Not because they can't play Xbill and Nethack on their consoles.
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I'm saying that Symbian sucks and it's tantamount to user abuse. Even if it has all the features most people would need. features aren't just things you check off and say you have. they have the be executed well.
Android might have UI problems and other ecosystem problems that keep me firmly wedged into the role of iOS fanboy, but, Symbian and RIM's efforts remind me that no, Android isn't that bad.
Yes, Nokia's profitable now, but their margins have been going down pretty steadily over the last few years thanks to iOS, Android, RIM and the low end chinese vendors eating their lunch.
As far as being scornful of the financial machinations... Nokia long ago decided to dance with the devil in terms of being publicly traded. So the machinations and the specifics of what goes on in the market place are pretty relevant to the discussion at hand. If Nokia can't convince people to keep shares on hand, then Nokia's in big trouble. Given the stock went from $40 a share to $10 in the last few years, Nokia's going to need to do some pretty big work to get back in shape. Meanwhile, HTC, Motorola, LG, Apple and every other vendor is about ready to ship phones that are poised to take a bite out of Nokia's target markets.
What sucks about this is, is that Nokia makes things like BTS equipment and other things that I'm never going to see touch smell or eat directly that is related to the telecom industry. if Nokia goes down because Elop decides to charge at windmills instead of keeping an eye on the books, then that's a major loss to the industry
What Nokia *should* do is like Motorola. Spin off their mobile phones division from the rest of the company, don't let that festering pile take down the rest of the company. Granted, in Moto's situation, there were bigger issues to be wrestled with, and the profitability of their mobile devices wasn't in question.
(now only if they'd do something about that stupid new red logo.)
However, where Apple gets the business plan right isn't to topple anyone from #1, they just try to sell a whole lot of product with enough of a profit margin to make money. Their desktop hardware and desktop OS isn't #1, their phone OS isn't #1, their phone hardware isn't #1, their MP3 player... okay is still #1. But the point isn't to topple over markets and dominate, it's to accumulate money.
If Nokia thinks being #1 in phones is the way to stay profitable, then they are sorely, sorely mistaken. Apple isn't even close in marketshare, and not selling in the enterprise world, and they have 10 times the market cap that Nokia does.
Elop doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. He needs to steer the company back towards growth and away from the rocky shoals of loss.
Taking on Android is like trying to stop a train by standing on the tracks and putting your hands out and asking nicely to stop. Android's going places because the OS is usable and free.
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There's some accounting for usability and polish. With Android, Symbian has nearly no advantages. Nokia played the emerging markets on volume, not profit margins. Now that they're being eaten on both ends of their product lines.
I regularly shit on Nokia's mobile phone division because they largely can't get their shit together. however, nokia's enterprise communications stuff is fucking brilliant. I hope Nokia doesn't leave that market.
yes. But my point was that Moto, et al, need to start actually showing ship dates and hardware before going to the slick marketing campaign.
Everyone says Apple is just marketing. They forget all that snazzy engineering stuff and showing off product in the middle. Perhaps that's part of marketing, but, show me a release date, show me a price, show me real hardware(well, HP did show a real TouchPad, Pre3 and that new phone; RIM did not with the playbook).
Publishers are running scared because they know the future is in digital distribution, and precedent is being set, while they're still on the fence twiddling their thumbs, for $1 games being the norm.
I think the thing that has publishers shitting their pants is having to support online infrastructures and DLC infrastructures with a healthy 2nd market going. Publishers are willing to support digital sales since it cuts out a LOT of overhead, but, consumer infrastructure isn't there yet. Not everyone wants to suck down 9 gigs via their internet soda straws and even if they did, not everyone has the space for all of that gaming data. Disks are cheap but until sony and MS start shipping bigger disks, it's just simply not feasible. Yes you can upgrade the PS3 and add more flash to a DSi/3DS and a PSP but it's still not feasible.
I wouldn't price a game like say, Dragon Quest IX at AppStore or DSiWare pricing, but the big draw to me as a gamer to the DS or the PSP is the idea that I can have a game that isn't a simple flash concept executed over 40 or 50 levels.
That being said though, if you look at all of your purchases and transactions in terms of maximizing value, either in terms of gameplay or money in either context as developer or gamer, you're really depriving yourself and the person you're engaging in the transaction with. If you're so stubborn you won't pay more than $5 for a game on a portable you're missing out. If you're so stubborn you can't come down on price, you're missing out.
I don't want to support what you're doing but, charging to download other people's IP that you have no rights to is so horribly stupid.
What the hell was HotFile thinking? At least no one's profiting off of P2P(well, as far as I know, the developers behind Bittorrent and clients aren't) of IP.
I don't give a shit anymore. Julian risked his own life putting his face on the actions of Wikileaks. Julian risked his own life when he decided to do what he did with those women. Julian risked his own life when he decided to disengage from the world and require his capture.
Fuck him. I don't care what he's done. He fucked up. All the right things in the world can never make the fuckups OK.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/22/nokia-profits-slump
Yes. Ahead and losing profits.
This order sounds right.
For those of us who know what we're doing, sure this is offensive.
For those who decide that spending 99cents on Justin Bieber wall papers that also snoop on their private conversations, that's a different story.
Stop derailing the conversation.
yes, people whoa re used to S40 can pick up S60, but, the features are hampered by poorly written software, and growth is all about who DOESN'T have a smart phone right now.
The J2ME environment is simply NOT optimal anymore for apps, especially the symbian environment. The UI is crap. Nokia's sales are down in their own back yard. They're losing sales in their traditionally stronger markets(see Elop's burning platform memo). Symbian is dead.
Hey! The implant in my head that I got at the Apple store says I should be indignant!
Only on slashdot and other tech blogs can something so trivial as the PS3's DRM be considered as bad as what happened to Lisa McPherson, or any other number of deaths, morbidities or other horror stories to come out of the COS.
Hell, once I saw someone say that we should riot in the street Egyptian style because of what Sony's doing. Here's a bit of perspective. Egyptians rioted on the streets because they couldn't eat. Not because they can't play Xbill and Nethack on their consoles.
I'm saying that Symbian sucks and it's tantamount to user abuse. Even if it has all the features most people would need. features aren't just things you check off and say you have. they have the be executed well.
Android might have UI problems and other ecosystem problems that keep me firmly wedged into the role of iOS fanboy, but, Symbian and RIM's efforts remind me that no, Android isn't that bad.
Yes, Nokia's profitable now, but their margins have been going down pretty steadily over the last few years thanks to iOS, Android, RIM and the low end chinese vendors eating their lunch.
As far as being scornful of the financial machinations... Nokia long ago decided to dance with the devil in terms of being publicly traded. So the machinations and the specifics of what goes on in the market place are pretty relevant to the discussion at hand. If Nokia can't convince people to keep shares on hand, then Nokia's in big trouble. Given the stock went from $40 a share to $10 in the last few years, Nokia's going to need to do some pretty big work to get back in shape. Meanwhile, HTC, Motorola, LG, Apple and every other vendor is about ready to ship phones that are poised to take a bite out of Nokia's target markets.
What sucks about this is, is that Nokia makes things like BTS equipment and other things that I'm never going to see touch smell or eat directly that is related to the telecom industry. if Nokia goes down because Elop decides to charge at windmills instead of keeping an eye on the books, then that's a major loss to the industry
What Nokia *should* do is like Motorola. Spin off their mobile phones division from the rest of the company, don't let that festering pile take down the rest of the company. Granted, in Moto's situation, there were bigger issues to be wrestled with, and the profitability of their mobile devices wasn't in question.
(now only if they'd do something about that stupid new red logo.)
Oh it is a good phone OS, don't get me wrong.
However, where Apple gets the business plan right isn't to topple anyone from #1, they just try to sell a whole lot of product with enough of a profit margin to make money. Their desktop hardware and desktop OS isn't #1, their phone OS isn't #1, their phone hardware isn't #1, their MP3 player ... okay is still #1. But the point isn't to topple over markets and dominate, it's to accumulate money.
If Nokia thinks being #1 in phones is the way to stay profitable, then they are sorely, sorely mistaken. Apple isn't even close in marketshare, and not selling in the enterprise world, and they have 10 times the market cap that Nokia does.
If this quote is accurate...
Elop doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. He needs to steer the company back towards growth and away from the rocky shoals of loss.
Taking on Android is like trying to stop a train by standing on the tracks and putting your hands out and asking nicely to stop. Android's going places because the OS is usable and free.
Features are not simply check list items
There's some accounting for usability and polish. With Android, Symbian has nearly no advantages. Nokia played the emerging markets on volume, not profit margins. Now that they're being eaten on both ends of their product lines.
I hope not.
I regularly shit on Nokia's mobile phone division because they largely can't get their shit together. however, nokia's enterprise communications stuff is fucking brilliant. I hope Nokia doesn't leave that market.
Why not just bring your own logo?
yes. But my point was that Moto, et al, need to start actually showing ship dates and hardware before going to the slick marketing campaign.
Everyone says Apple is just marketing. They forget all that snazzy engineering stuff and showing off product in the middle. Perhaps that's part of marketing, but, show me a release date, show me a price, show me real hardware(well, HP did show a real TouchPad, Pre3 and that new phone; RIM did not with the playbook).
This is the same comment I leave to Android fanboys.
Real artists ship.
Show me product and a release date, not a flashy and useless bit of info about some product that might come out soon.
Publishers are running scared because they know the future is in digital distribution, and precedent is being set, while they're still on the fence twiddling their thumbs, for $1 games being the norm.
I think the thing that has publishers shitting their pants is having to support online infrastructures and DLC infrastructures with a healthy 2nd market going. Publishers are willing to support digital sales since it cuts out a LOT of overhead, but, consumer infrastructure isn't there yet. Not everyone wants to suck down 9 gigs via their internet soda straws and even if they did, not everyone has the space for all of that gaming data. Disks are cheap but until sony and MS start shipping bigger disks, it's just simply not feasible. Yes you can upgrade the PS3 and add more flash to a DSi/3DS and a PSP but it's still not feasible.
I mean, Angry birds isn't a deep game.
I wouldn't price a game like say, Dragon Quest IX at AppStore or DSiWare pricing, but the big draw to me as a gamer to the DS or the PSP is the idea that I can have a game that isn't a simple flash concept executed over 40 or 50 levels.
That being said though, if you look at all of your purchases and transactions in terms of maximizing value, either in terms of gameplay or money in either context as developer or gamer, you're really depriving yourself and the person you're engaging in the transaction with. If you're so stubborn you won't pay more than $5 for a game on a portable you're missing out. If you're so stubborn you can't come down on price, you're missing out.
If your boss being an asshole is a trade secret, that's a big red flag.
I don't want to support what you're doing but, charging to download other people's IP that you have no rights to is so horribly stupid.
What the hell was HotFile thinking? At least no one's profiting off of P2P(well, as far as I know, the developers behind Bittorrent and clients aren't) of IP.
The "I'm a PC" ad was a joke.
It fought Apple's fight on Apple's own terms, and for someone who's supposed to be on top, it's a loss having to punch downward.
Not to mention those nonsensical Seinfeld/gates ads? What was that about?
You mean Myanmar Shave?
Yes because having more breathable air, having cheaper power and having a better overall quality of life is so bullshit.
Even if AGW deniers such as yourself were correct about AGW, there are many MANY external benefits to going green and clean.
He's currently in jail.
The fact that we know who anyone is at Wikileaks means that they did a shitty job of leaking documents.
I don't give a shit anymore. Julian risked his own life putting his face on the actions of Wikileaks. Julian risked his own life when he decided to do what he did with those women. Julian risked his own life when he decided to disengage from the world and require his capture.
Fuck him. I don't care what he's done. He fucked up. All the right things in the world can never make the fuckups OK.
except the kindle is way more fragile than an iPad. and you can't make changes on the fly with a Kindle the way you can with a touch screen.
screw the invisibility cloak! Give me Stealth Camouflage!