It's all about the unintended *and invisible* consequences and the solutions being worse than the problems. It's like price fixing and fiat currencies.
This is a terrible strategy. If they really want to guarantee a win, they should vote for Ron Paul in the republican primaries (or the libertarian type candidate that emerges with his blessing).
Not only does he have zero chance of winning, he would be blacked out and ignored by the media even if he won the primary, and if he did win your worst side effect would be liberty for all.
The remaining chat logs can contain details deemed to be national secrets.
What the fuck are we in Britain now? There is no official secrets act here. Wired is not bound in any way shape or form from publishing anything that is of public interest by the wishes of the people in power. Doesn't matter what you call it, be it "national secrets", top secret, classified, eyes only... Wired has the right to publish it.
I know your perception must be the 3 key documents of this country, the declaration, the constitution and the bill of rights are dry legal documents. They are not, they are miraculous documents which deliver power and freedom to all they were intended for and read simply and clearly. The first amendment is just that, the FIRST. I mean god damn, it's first because of importance. Read it.
If you plot a graph of size vs. lifespan in mammals it forms a fairly straight line. See here
Yes but what does that actually *mean*?
Ha, I guess If I eat myself to 600lbs I'll live to 240 years.:-)
Actually, if you look within species of mammals the trend reverses and it is the small ones that live longer. I know it applies to pets, little dogs for example, outlive big dogs on average. And I'm willing to bet 120lb men outlive 400lb men.
It just goes to show you, statistics mean nothing if you don't understand them. And trends that look very important can be insignificant until you get much more knowledgeable. I'm guessing we're missing some important facts as to why that correlation might exist.
The reporters who revealed the Watergate scandal were protected.
That's interesting, but not as interesting as the fact that E. Howard Hunt was caught.
Mr. Hunt was a big deal and had done many other things in his lifetime. Big projects like the 'Big Event', the killing and cover-up of an American president.
How can he accomplish things orders of magnitude more difficult and then get caught on a simple break-in? They're not even in the same ball park. What if he wanted to get caught? What if Watergate was a setup on Nixon himself? Then things start to make more sense.
E. Howard Hunt is personally involved
they're caught during a simple break-in
they have no cover story. They are incongruent.
the job is botched
they achieved nothing
there was nothing of value there in the first place.
the cirme itself leads back to Nixon, even without any evidence.
the break-in criminals confess they work for the CIA and provide links back to Nixon
deepthroat leads back to Nixon.
No momentum for cover-up. Nixon is the only one who really wanted it?
the reporters don't get leaned on. Not even nearly as much as Assange and wikileaks are getting leaned on.
Nixon's support is gone from the start
Inside information that was not available to the explained whistle blowers easily leaks out, like the fact that he had tapes.
Hunt was very bitter that he was sent to jail. Enough to indicate that it might not have been part of the plan after he was caught.
I just think, for someone who committed so many assassinations, break-ins and acts of major disinformation; for E. Howard Hunt himself to be caught breaking into democratic headquarters and failing in such spectacular manner is very unlikely.
The ex-president of Brazil, Lula, said this (and I paraphrase):
...We owe much to the press. Sometimes I've been called on criticizing the press and I'm not criticizing the press, I'm just keeping them honest. Like they keep me honest. What I can't believe nobody is standing up for wikileaks. Julian Assange was jailed against freedom of speech. Where are the protests? The only thing he was doing is embarrassing some and showing them au naturale. Showing the memos of some low level ambassadors. Now I don't know if my ambassadors send these kinds of memos, but look, the current president Dilma has to know and speak to her ministers if you don't have what to write, don't write silliness. Leave it blank.
So then wikileaks shows up, bares naked the diplomacy which appeared untouchable, the best in the world. And they start a hunt, maybe with old style wanted posters. And they arrest the guy and I did not see one call for protest. So go ahead and put on the blog of the planalto (brazilian newspaper) the first protest. That this is against the freedom of expression on the internet. So that we can protest because the man was using only that which he himself had read. And if he read something because somebody else wrote it, the guilty is not the one who divulges it but the one who wrote it in the fist place.
So instead of blaming the one who exposed it, blame the one who originated the stupid documents.
Therefore to wikileaks, my honest support and my protest against the oppression to freedom of expression...
People of a certain political persuasion like you want to believe there's a giant fairy wand in the sky that can grant wishes and do anything we just want it hard enough.
I do not think you've read my post history very closely:)
Well, the problem comes when you take the legal system and the 3 branches of government into account.
Their powers aren't equally divided in favor of all the citizens. They are in the pockets of the corporate sector and at the whims of political moves when not superseded by the first. They also do not act in a logical and impartial manner.
This leads to things like Phillip Morris killing people for profit for millions of years, because they did the cost/benefit analysis and realized that in reality they can get away with human life and suffering costing them many orders of magnitude LESS than they should, all because they have the power.
The power to stop people in court with high powered attorneys. The power to get laws changed in their favor. The power to get CAPS put on damages.
That's just one example, but it happens all the time. Monsanto did the same when they polluted entire counties out of existence. Those other guys did the same in MA as portrayed in the civil action movie. BP is doing it right now and did it when they chose to ignore safety procedures and also had dick Cheney help cut off safety legislation at the pass for them. Halliburton is doing it right now if you've ever watched the documentary GASLAND.
The price of a human life and suffering becomes even smaller as you look internationally where the corporations wield more power. In fact, I'm willing to speculate that the price of human life and suffering in a cost benefit analysis is inversely correlated with corporate power to the point where corporate power is absolute and the price of a life approaches zero. This right here is the main reason corporations relocate abroad.
In essence, your definition of sanity and cost/benefit analyses only works when there is equality and a free market. I propose that these conditions only occur in bubbles in the geopolitical economic landscape we find ourselves in and not at all in some nation states.
Your local high street bank's financial information about you is also on their systems, it doesn't make it "their" information. The government needs WARRANTS for financial information.
Your medical records are on a bunch of corporate owned systems. It doesn't give them the right to divulge it either.
Talk about rolling over and lubricating your own anal cavity. With people like you we don't even need tyrants. You take it upon yourself to tell other people to roll over for them.
Unlike you, I have lived in BOTH of the places you list. FYI, they are set up very much like the USA. Some of the differences being:
Lower tax rates
Less control and self restraint over their fiat currencies
higher inflation from Quantitive Easing, wait I'm sorry, THEFT - because yes they steal from you this way too
corruption is more out in the open
MUCH LOWER military spending
Less fucking with other sovereign nations
more petty crime and theft
more petty police corruption
poor people have it worse
Other than this, things are pretty similar. You'd be surprised, middle class to middle class people in the back 3rd world countries you listed can live much better than in the US. In fact there have been TED talks showing that there is no such thing as 3rd world anymore.
Unfortunately, their economic styles are very similar to the US. There aren't many economies that the economic hit-men haven't manipulated into indebtedness.
Oh, and you're an idiot. Nothing but a slave and a sheep. Go back to your fantasy land. Nobody wants to hear from you.
I don't even want to touch the fact that someone is calling for choice and you suggest a government monopoly as the solution
Or the fact that this government loses 70% of ALL the money they divert out of their citizen's wallets and into Afghanistan to corruption (their numbers).
Or that they are already the biggest monopoly on the planet, can't run their economy for shit, use fiat currency, are the largest debtors in the HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE, spent something on the order of 5 Trillion dollars bailing out the wealthiest GLOBAL elites, tax anyone who makes a decent living over 50% tax rate, can't manage a simple social security program, grants monopolies in lots of areas, has revolving doors for regulators, leads us into illegal wars based on fabricated propaganda intelligence, puts people on terrorist lists for supporting well made environmental documentaries, runs illegal secret prisons, SUFFOCATES their own constitution, but....ALL THIS ASIDE:
My goodness you are out of your ever lovin mind.
We're talking about the same government that re-routes large swaths of worldwide and internal communications so they can spy on it's own citizens without warrants. The same government that has laws that makes it illegal for you to find out where you are being spied from and illegal for anyone to tell you. The same government that PRESSURED and then handed IMMUNITY to the telecoms so they could listen to your phone sex among anything else they wished.
THIS GOVERNMENT SPIES ON YOU. In every possible way and you want this government to be the only choice as a telecom?
The majority of the population does NOT want to see this pass, yet it made it through the Senate with NO opposition?
I thought the government was for the people by the people. What a fucking joke.
Yes, remember the 800 billion dollar wall street and foreign bank bail out that the government passed not too long ago? It was the bush executive, but with full support of Obama.
More than 95% of the public was opposed to it as determined by the governments own estimates from things like the calls and mail coming in about the issue.
It passed on the second try. Some say the congress was even threatened with martial law to get it to pass.
The reason that I don't believe this claim, is because physical demonstrations can be rigged. I want to see the mathematics. Is it too much to ask? I mean, they build lots of models, including expensive ones, they wrote articles claiming they can do it, they posted numerous videos on youtube claiming they can do it.... Where is the fucking math? Why it so hard to post it?
The main reason nobody believes these clowns, is because they're not good at explaining how it works. I don't even see an attempt at it. Until then, what am I supposed to believe? My gut instinct or my lying eyes?
No. The simple truth that you need to understand is that we are living in a society where markets are interfered with in immense ways on a routine basis by private parties and most certainly governments.
You don't live in a free market society. You live in a society with various government granted monopolies and pockets of free market behaviors sprouting up and being squashed. While they are around they work quite well.
The illusion that you live with, thinking that the free market is full of people trying to take your lunch and you're not safe without your Uncle Sam mommy caregiver and protector is nothing but a propaganda, distorting the reality of the government granted monopolies that continually take advantage of you. The world is not a dangerous place. The vast majority of people are not evil boogeymen, they are generous happy friendly and caring. We outnumber the others. You are intelligent enough to decide your future, make your own destiny, live safely and live happily.
Their propaganda persists, black is white, right is wrong, up is down. Not enough regulation is the cause of the economic woes.... No my friend. Not enough transparency together with government granted monopolies and non competitive environments where the elite get bailed out to the tune of several trillion dollars of your money is the real problem.
A fictitious paper currency that is printed at will and handed to the elite by an entity not in any way shape or form accountable to the people is your problem. How many dollars did we bring into creation last year? The year before? What did the private federal reserve do to the currency we use? Oh wait they don't release any data anymore... A market system that is so fiddled with and manipulated that certain companies are given rule of law and propped up in plain sight is your problem.
Companies NEED TO FAIL and TURNOVER and make room for better initiatives. Progress, ingenuity, hard work, entrepreneurship and the freedom to create your own destiny need to be nurtured, not squashed. None of the great companies we have today would have existed if companies like the East India Company from the 1700's had been propped up over and over to this day.
Let us take this current market preferential treatment example. Why do traders continue to frequent markets that unfairly give wealthy firms first choice on trades, and even trade reversal privileges on occasion? Because there are no alternatives.
But why are there no alternatives? Is it because there is some rule of greed that prevents new markets from stating and implementing a simple heartbeat fix as you suggest? No. It is because there is government intervention and regulation up the arse that prevents new markets from starting up. Granting de facto monopolies and cartel status to the government protected markets.
If alternative markets with less regulation were set up in such a way where the small traders could chose the markets of their choice, the markets with the heartbeat would get all the business and those without would shrivel and die. Give the power of freedom of choice to the majority and they will pick the system that's fair to them, not the current monstrosity...
This happens everywhere where the government intervenes to raise the barrier to entry or grants outright monopolies.
Do free markets have dangers to watch for other than government derived ones? yes.
Cant they break down on their own, or with intervention from private parties? yes.
In the vast majority of cases government, beurocracy, favoritism and horrible regulation seem to be causing the problems.
People need their voice back. 99% of people were against the multi trillion bailouts. How many are against foreign wars? Foreign occupations? Foreign bases? Military spending 'officially' was almost $800 billion last year. Which btw is 40% of all the Worlds spending on defense by a country with only 4.52% of the worlds popul
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I'd be willing to bet they are doing software boot process monitoring and know exactly how long it takes to boot.
Not if you snipe with an anti-tank laser guided weapon.
What people don't realize is that when the government tries to meddle with the free market, the results are always deleterious.
It's all about the unintended *and invisible* consequences and the solutions being worse than the problems. It's like price fixing and fiat currencies.
Ron Paul is a great supporter of wikileaks.
Ron Paul defends wikileaks on the floor of the House of reps. Directly contradicts what you said.
Ron Paul: Don't Blame Wikileaks!
Ron Paul: "What We Need Is More WikiLeaks On The Federal Reserve"
Ron Paul On WikiLeaks "This Is A Deliberate Attempt To Close Down The Internet
Daniel Ellsberg: Ron Paul Is Exactly Right On WikiLeaks!
Ron Paul calls wikileaks heroes
It's always a pleasure to listen to Dr. Paul and have some modicum of faith restored in humanity.
Maybe you should watch this
Judge Napolitano knows way more about this kind of law than either of us and he says the supreme court has already ruled on this very issue.
This is a terrible strategy. If they really want to guarantee a win, they should vote for Ron Paul in the republican primaries (or the libertarian type candidate that emerges with his blessing).
Not only does he have zero chance of winning, he would be blacked out and ignored by the media even if he won the primary, and if he did win your worst side effect would be liberty for all.
The espionage act? seriously? You are nuts.
The espionage act is completely unconstitutional and has been gutted to shit by the supreme court over the years.
Maybe you should do some reading.
The remaining chat logs can contain details deemed to be national secrets.
What the fuck are we in Britain now? There is no official secrets act here. Wired is not bound in any way shape or form from publishing anything that is of public interest by the wishes of the people in power. Doesn't matter what you call it, be it "national secrets", top secret, classified, eyes only... Wired has the right to publish it.
I know your perception must be the 3 key documents of this country, the declaration, the constitution and the bill of rights are dry legal documents. They are not, they are miraculous documents which deliver power and freedom to all they were intended for and read simply and clearly. The first amendment is just that, the FIRST. I mean god damn, it's first because of importance. Read it.
If you plot a graph of size vs. lifespan in mammals it forms a fairly straight line. See here
Yes but what does that actually *mean*?
Ha, I guess If I eat myself to 600lbs I'll live to 240 years.:-)
Actually, if you look within species of mammals the trend reverses and it is the small ones that live longer. I know it applies to pets, little dogs for example, outlive big dogs on average. And I'm willing to bet 120lb men outlive 400lb men.
It just goes to show you, statistics mean nothing if you don't understand them. And trends that look very important can be insignificant until you get much more knowledgeable. I'm guessing we're missing some important facts as to why that correlation might exist.
Sir, am I to understand then that you are supporting the need for MORE crazies and of a CRAZIER variety?
The reporters who revealed the Watergate scandal were protected.
That's interesting, but not as interesting as the fact that E. Howard Hunt was caught.
Mr. Hunt was a big deal and had done many other things in his lifetime. Big projects like the 'Big Event', the killing and cover-up of an American president.
How can he accomplish things orders of magnitude more difficult and then get caught on a simple break-in? They're not even in the same ball park. What if he wanted to get caught? What if Watergate was a setup on Nixon himself? Then things start to make more sense.
Hunt was very bitter that he was sent to jail. Enough to indicate that it might not have been part of the plan after he was caught.
I just think, for someone who committed so many assassinations, break-ins and acts of major disinformation; for E. Howard Hunt himself to be caught breaking into democratic headquarters and failing in such spectacular manner is very unlikely.
So then wikileaks shows up, bares naked the diplomacy which appeared untouchable, the best in the world. And they start a hunt, maybe with old style wanted posters. And they arrest the guy and I did not see one call for protest. So go ahead and put on the blog of the planalto (brazilian newspaper) the first protest. That this is against the freedom of expression on the internet. So that we can protest because the man was using only that which he himself had read. And if he read something because somebody else wrote it, the guilty is not the one who divulges it but the one who wrote it in the fist place.
So instead of blaming the one who exposed it, blame the one who originated the stupid documents.
Therefore to wikileaks, my honest support and my protest against the oppression to freedom of expression...
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People of a certain political persuasion like you want to believe there's a giant fairy wand in the sky that can grant wishes and do anything we just want it hard enough.
I do not think you've read my post history very closely :)
This leads to things like Phillip Morris killing people for profit for millions of years
I meant decades :) They lied for decades.
Their powers aren't equally divided in favor of all the citizens. They are in the pockets of the corporate sector and at the whims of political moves when not superseded by the first. They also do not act in a logical and impartial manner.
This leads to things like Phillip Morris killing people for profit for millions of years, because they did the cost/benefit analysis and realized that in reality they can get away with human life and suffering costing them many orders of magnitude LESS than they should, all because they have the power.
The power to stop people in court with high powered attorneys. The power to get laws changed in their favor. The power to get CAPS put on damages.
That's just one example, but it happens all the time. Monsanto did the same when they polluted entire counties out of existence. Those other guys did the same in MA as portrayed in the civil action movie. BP is doing it right now and did it when they chose to ignore safety procedures and also had dick Cheney help cut off safety legislation at the pass for them. Halliburton is doing it right now if you've ever watched the documentary GASLAND.
The price of a human life and suffering becomes even smaller as you look internationally where the corporations wield more power. In fact, I'm willing to speculate that the price of human life and suffering in a cost benefit analysis is inversely correlated with corporate power to the point where corporate power is absolute and the price of a life approaches zero. This right here is the main reason corporations relocate abroad.
In essence, your definition of sanity and cost/benefit analyses only works when there is equality and a free market. I propose that these conditions only occur in bubbles in the geopolitical economic landscape we find ourselves in and not at all in some nation states.
Yet another example of how 99% of regulation is utter bullshit. Can we start to trim the fat please?
Your local high street bank's financial information about you is also on their systems, it doesn't make it "their" information. The government needs WARRANTS for financial information.
Your medical records are on a bunch of corporate owned systems. It doesn't give them the right to divulge it either.
Talk about rolling over and lubricating your own anal cavity. With people like you we don't even need tyrants. You take it upon yourself to tell other people to roll over for them.
Other than this, things are pretty similar. You'd be surprised, middle class to middle class people in the back 3rd world countries you listed can live much better than in the US. In fact there have been TED talks showing that there is no such thing as 3rd world anymore. Unfortunately, their economic styles are very similar to the US. There aren't many economies that the economic hit-men haven't manipulated into indebtedness.
Oh, and you're an idiot. Nothing but a slave and a sheep. Go back to your fantasy land. Nobody wants to hear from you.
Or the fact that this government loses 70% of ALL the money they divert out of their citizen's wallets and into Afghanistan to corruption (their numbers).
Or that they are already the biggest monopoly on the planet, can't run their economy for shit, use fiat currency, are the largest debtors in the HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE, spent something on the order of 5 Trillion dollars bailing out the wealthiest GLOBAL elites, tax anyone who makes a decent living over 50% tax rate, can't manage a simple social security program, grants monopolies in lots of areas, has revolving doors for regulators, leads us into illegal wars based on fabricated propaganda intelligence, puts people on terrorist lists for supporting well made environmental documentaries, runs illegal secret prisons, SUFFOCATES their own constitution, but....ALL THIS ASIDE:
My goodness you are out of your ever lovin mind.
We're talking about the same government that re-routes large swaths of worldwide and internal communications so they can spy on it's own citizens without warrants. The same government that has laws that makes it illegal for you to find out where you are being spied from and illegal for anyone to tell you. The same government that PRESSURED and then handed IMMUNITY to the telecoms so they could listen to your phone sex among anything else they wished.
THIS GOVERNMENT SPIES ON YOU. In every possible way and you want this government to be the only choice as a telecom?
FUUUUUUUUUCK YOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUU.
The majority of the population does NOT want to see this pass, yet it made it through the Senate with NO opposition? I thought the government was for the people by the people. What a fucking joke.
Yes, remember the 800 billion dollar wall street and foreign bank bail out that the government passed not too long ago? It was the bush executive, but with full support of Obama.
More than 95% of the public was opposed to it as determined by the governments own estimates from things like the calls and mail coming in about the issue.
It passed on the second try. Some say the congress was even threatened with martial law to get it to pass.
The main reason nobody believes these clowns, is because they're not good at explaining how it works. I don't even see an attempt at it. Until then, what am I supposed to believe? My gut instinct or my lying eyes?
You don't live in a free market society. You live in a society with various government granted monopolies and pockets of free market behaviors sprouting up and being squashed. While they are around they work quite well.
The illusion that you live with, thinking that the free market is full of people trying to take your lunch and you're not safe without your Uncle Sam mommy caregiver and protector is nothing but a propaganda, distorting the reality of the government granted monopolies that continually take advantage of you. The world is not a dangerous place. The vast majority of people are not evil boogeymen, they are generous happy friendly and caring. We outnumber the others. You are intelligent enough to decide your future, make your own destiny, live safely and live happily.
Their propaganda persists, black is white, right is wrong, up is down. Not enough regulation is the cause of the economic woes.... No my friend. Not enough transparency together with government granted monopolies and non competitive environments where the elite get bailed out to the tune of several trillion dollars of your money is the real problem.
A fictitious paper currency that is printed at will and handed to the elite by an entity not in any way shape or form accountable to the people is your problem. How many dollars did we bring into creation last year? The year before? What did the private federal reserve do to the currency we use? Oh wait they don't release any data anymore... A market system that is so fiddled with and manipulated that certain companies are given rule of law and propped up in plain sight is your problem.
Companies NEED TO FAIL and TURNOVER and make room for better initiatives. Progress, ingenuity, hard work, entrepreneurship and the freedom to create your own destiny need to be nurtured, not squashed. None of the great companies we have today would have existed if companies like the East India Company from the 1700's had been propped up over and over to this day.
Let us take this current market preferential treatment example. Why do traders continue to frequent markets that unfairly give wealthy firms first choice on trades, and even trade reversal privileges on occasion? Because there are no alternatives.
But why are there no alternatives? Is it because there is some rule of greed that prevents new markets from stating and implementing a simple heartbeat fix as you suggest? No. It is because there is government intervention and regulation up the arse that prevents new markets from starting up. Granting de facto monopolies and cartel status to the government protected markets.
If alternative markets with less regulation were set up in such a way where the small traders could chose the markets of their choice, the markets with the heartbeat would get all the business and those without would shrivel and die. Give the power of freedom of choice to the majority and they will pick the system that's fair to them, not the current monstrosity...
This happens everywhere where the government intervenes to raise the barrier to entry or grants outright monopolies.
Do free markets have dangers to watch for other than government derived ones? yes.
Cant they break down on their own, or with intervention from private parties? yes.
In the vast majority of cases government, beurocracy, favoritism and horrible regulation seem to be causing the problems.
People need their voice back. 99% of people were against the multi trillion bailouts. How many are against foreign wars? Foreign occupations? Foreign bases?
Military spending 'officially' was almost $800 billion last year. Which btw is 40% of all the Worlds spending on defense by a country with only 4.52% of the worlds popul
And to avoid revealing this, only some documents would need to be blocked. You don't blackout an ENTIRE TRIAL. On what grounds?
my car's range isn't cut in half when i turn the heat on.
You are not addressing a mere time cop, but LORD KRONOS himself!
The punishment for this will be to have your grandparents neutered. Good DAY SIR.