Apple's fucked. My only disappointment is that Steve Jobs is not still steering this mighty ship went it runs into the judge's iceberg..... I mean verdict.
There's a cool video on youtube of somebody standing on a building & videoing the whole thing. The tsunami didn't come as a massive wave, but as gradual rising of the water over 5 minutes time. In the video the water submerged the first two floors of a nearby building (and flooded the third). So that's what? 25 feet?
>>>both batteries died within a week and they were both fake Sonys. I asked for my money back, the seller did not answer. When I threatened to leave negative feedback he just laughed at me and told me he'd leave negative feedback in return. >>> I have received negative feedback on my buying account (which is separate from my selling account), but have never lost a single penny from a dishonest seller. In your case I would have negged him; he would have negged me back. (Then I would have filed with ebay that the neg was retailiatory and they would have removed it.) Next I would have mailed-back some innocent looking envelope stuffed with junkmail advertising & a tracking number. Something the seller would just toss in the trash.
Then I would have waited ~50 days. Then I would have filed a paypal claim explaining that the damaged batteries were returned w/ the tracking number. Paypal would have returned the cash. And it would be the SELLER who had lost 150 dollars, not the buyer.
BTW:
Was this seller from China by chance? A ot of them sell fake batteries, and in that case it's even easier to get a refund from the scam artist. Just file a claim of non-receipt. Chinese sellers never use tracking, so they can't prove the Fake Sony batteries were delivered, so you get a refund by default.
>>>Then call the police and have fucking blackmail/extortion charges filed against them after you obtain a reliable address, you fucking moron.
I actually tried that once involving an ebay sale of 250 dollars (Bluray player). The police in the buyer's home town said they don't bother with anything until after passes $1000 in value. They said they have higher priority things to deal with to waste time on small ebay claims. So you called me a "moron" and yet it is you who is truly ignorant about how the realworld works.
>>>>>Sometimes payments bounce several days later, usually because of a stolen or maxed-out credit card. >> >>That would be an unfulfilled payment, would it not? As I understand, eBay and PayPal hold all payments for a while to make sure that they do clear.
Not for credit cards. They came through immediately, and then a few days later the CC company reverses the charge. Paypal then sucks the money out of the seller account (and the thief/buyer gets a free item). It's only happened to me twice but in one case it cost me several hundred in losses .
>>>>>I've had buyers claim the item was smashed in transit (post office ran over item with truck) >> >>Pack your items better.
Please learn to read what I wrote above. The buyer complained that the mailman RAN OVER IT. And yes I agree it is the seller's responsiblity to refund the buyer regardless, which I do on those rare times something goes wrong. But how am I supposed to do that when the buyer ALREADY NEGGED MY FEEDBACK and never gave me a chance to respond???
For you to sit here and defend a buyer who purposely damages my reputation w/o ever contacting me First to fix the problem, indicates to me that you think sellers are scum who deserve to lose money. That you believe it is ALWAYS the sellers' fault and never the buyer.
>>>cheapest U.S. cable subscription would be more than 17â per month.
Yeah but that's for cable. Germany and British viewers have to pay the 17 euro per month (or £145.50 per year) and still don't have cable. Just whatever they pick up by antenna.
>>>I look at an eBook reader as a crippled tablet.
I look at a tablet as a pisspoor substitute for a book. Heavy and it has that annoying light shining in my eyes. I want my book reader to be a closer to paper as possible, and e-ink does that.
Amazon is the cheapest because a lot of their sellers are dishonest punks who advertise things like "new" and then send me scratched-up junk. Oftentimes amazon will refund the money on the spot.
>>> Once you've paid, your end is fullfilled and the seller should leave positive feedback.
False. "No negatives for buyers" means the buyer power to blackmail the seller. And yes I have experienced it. People contact me through email & demand a 25% or 50% discount or else they will neg me. (I have no choice but to give in because I can't neg them back. They are holding the weapon and I have nothing.)
And you say a buyer has nothing to do beyond paying. That's wrong. (1) Sometimes payments bounce several days later, usually because of a stolen or maxed-out credit card. That's reason for a negative feedback to warn other sellers. (2) I've had buyers claim non-receipt even though I have a tracking number showing they received it. They neg me; I neg them back to warn other sellers. (3) I've had buyers claim the item was smashed in transit (post office ran over item with truck) and then leave me a negative, never offering me a chance to send them a replacement game/issue a refund. That's a Bad buyer. (4) And the blackmail example above. (5) I could go on and on and on. Many buyers on ebay are professional scam artists whose mission is to get stuff for free & screw the seller.
There are LOTS of things a buyer can do to make a seller's life miserable, and these buyers deserve negatives to warn other sellers about their habits.
To claim buyers don't know how to be evil & never deserve a negative, merely shows you have never encountered a scam artist as buyer. Or never worked retail (just picture in your mind a buyer yelling-and-cursing at a Walmart employee).
>>>Sorry, but it works both ways. The new rules were implemented because sellers were ripping buyers off as well. Shipping fake goods, not shipping items at all, refusing refunds that were within the terms of the transaction and then threatening to leave negative feedback was a common theme. >>> Yes ripoff scams work both ways: Bad buyers and bad sellers. So too should the feedback. Negative for bad buyers and negative for bad sellers. The way things are now it appears bad buyers don't exist. Which is flat wrong and you know it.
>>>his one negative feedback would ruin my account with only 60 positive feedbacks.
Not really. You have (or rather had) the ability to leave replies to negatives from sellers. Here's what I wrote after I had a bad seller: (-) Buyer is difficult to deal with. Avoid Reply by cpu6502: You sold "new" games that were scratched. Paypal refunded my cash & suspended seller (insufficient funds).
This lets other sellers know that the neg I received was not deserved. So I have 60 out of 61. Big deal. It won't stop me from buying more stuff. (Or selling.)
History shows that the inventors of new technology rarely gain an edge over other countries. If they do it's only temporary. It is better to let the other country (or company) waste millions on R&D and then you just copy what they did.
We did that with the industrial revolution (invented by the UK, copied by everyone else), the rocket-propelled missile (invented by Germany; copied by us), the jet plane (invented by Germany; copied by us), the steam train (invented by the UK; copied by us), et cetera.
We have invented some things on our own but almost all those inventions were done by hobbyists spending their own money, not the government or taxpayer's money. I can think of very few examples where the U.S. Government invented something that had lasting value. So I say: Let somebody else waste billions on R&D and we'll just copy the end result. Example: The Japanese invented HDTV. We copied their idea for cheap.
Thanks to modern medicine the odds of a president dying in office have gone way down. In our first hundred years several presidents died during their first two terms, so the VP mattered.
But in the 1900s only one died during his first two terms (shot), and that threat is also now near-zero because of bullet proof cars and vigilant secret service. We really shouldn't worry about a VP taking-over.
BTW why would a liberal like Dennis Kucinich defund the science research for fusion reactors? I don't understand that. It made sense when he stood with Ron Paul against the Libyan War, and also in favor of a Federal Reserve audit, but not the anti-science stance.
How do I use my PC's touch interface when I'm eating pizza? (shrug). To me Windows8 looks like a tablet interface. It doesn't belong on a desktop or laptop where people are trying to do actual work.
It's more than that. I've met people online who sued Toyota for $5000 because they refused to replace their 20,000-mile dead engine. The person wanted the repair cost refunded so they filed in small claims against the dealer.
This just in: Doesn't mean we have to be quiet with our complaints.
Ebay has long deserved the hate speech it receives online. Such as forbidding negative feedback for buyers that rip-off the seller via nonpayment of goods, keeping the new shoes but returning old/wornout shoes, claiming nonreceipt of item when they have it in their hand, et cetera. (No neg feedback == No way to warn other sellers to stay away from the buying scam artist.)
+ 1 Winner! Best post of this thread. Joyent advertised the life account would last "as long as we exist" and they still exist, so they broke the contract. They are obligated to refund the money to the other party in the contract.
>>>The judge ruled in favour of the fitness centre.
If you would like to speak to the judge, you can find him at the fitness center every Friday night, using his free gold pass.
This seems like a scam to me. The reason you pay the outrageously high "life" prices of ~$1000 is because over the longterm (say: 15 years) it's cheaper than the annual rate (~$100). It's a bargain plus your loyalty is being rewarded.
For companies to discontinue the membership means they actually charged MORE per year than the annual rate. If I did that I'd be called a scam artist like Mr. Charles Ponzi, but if corporations do it then it's somehow okay.
This is an interesting discussion. Verizon sold me DSL wth a promise of charging $14.99 "for life". I saved the image to my c: drive for future reference. I don't anticipate Verizon going out of business, so I'm curious if they will someday try to weasel out of it. Maybe they'll do like Cingular:
It was not a life offer, but instead an offer through my employer at $10 plus per minute billing (government rate). One day I got the bill and it was the $30 unlimited minutes plan. I called and they said they discontinued the $10 plan. Didn't even bother me to tell me ahead of time about the switch, so I refused to pay and they put a black mark on my credit report (though my rating is so high it made no difference).
Their greed led to a lost customer: For life. Now I use VirginMobile for $5/month for 30 minutes. Cingular... now ATT... can go suck it.
>>>Is it really worth their time to deal with bad PR and the deluge of hate emails/calls to their support people from a bunch of annoyed/.ers?
(1) You hire accountants and lawyers so you Don't have to waste your valuable time. (2) Let's slashdot Joyent. Like we did with the LendInk-destroying authors and a few months ago, that Candace Scwanger lady that stole a photographer's photo and threatened to sue him (she dropped the case last I heard).
Slashdot Mirror
>>>Or are we going to start calling in the Science fiction writers next?
We could just show a still image from TNG with Wesley holding his school PAD. Not only does it have a similar anme to iPad, but it's also rectangle with rounded corners : http://www.newfangled.com/stuff/contentmgr/files/2/516f36353ced7a44696bdaaffbc0f7f0/misc/star_trek_padd_3.jpg
Apple's fucked. My only disappointment is that Steve Jobs is not still steering this mighty ship went it runs into the judge's iceberg..... I mean verdict.
The Nook Glow is backlit (well actually side lit by LEDs and dispersive glass). It's designed for reading in the dark.
There's a cool video on youtube of somebody standing on a building & videoing the whole thing. The tsunami didn't come as a massive wave, but as gradual rising of the water over 5 minutes time. In the video the water submerged the first two floors of a nearby building (and flooded the third). So that's what? 25 feet?
>>>both batteries died within a week and they were both fake Sonys. I asked for my money back, the seller did not answer. When I threatened to leave negative feedback he just laughed at me and told me he'd leave negative feedback in return.
>>>
I have received negative feedback on my buying account (which is separate from my selling account), but have never lost a single penny from a dishonest seller. In your case I would have negged him; he would have negged me back. (Then I would have filed with ebay that the neg was retailiatory and they would have removed it.) Next I would have mailed-back some innocent looking envelope stuffed with junkmail advertising & a tracking number. Something the seller would just toss in the trash.
Then I would have waited ~50 days. Then I would have filed a paypal claim explaining that the damaged batteries were returned w/ the tracking number. Paypal would have returned the cash. And it would be the SELLER who had lost 150 dollars, not the buyer.
BTW:
Was this seller from China by chance? A ot of them sell fake batteries, and in that case it's even easier to get a refund from the scam artist. Just file a claim of non-receipt. Chinese sellers never use tracking, so they can't prove the Fake Sony batteries were delivered, so you get a refund by default.
>>>Then call the police and have fucking blackmail/extortion charges filed against them after you obtain a reliable address, you fucking moron.
I actually tried that once involving an ebay sale of 250 dollars (Bluray player). The police in the buyer's home town said they don't bother with anything until after passes $1000 in value. They said they have higher priority things to deal with to waste time on small ebay claims. So you called me a "moron" and yet it is you who is truly ignorant about how the realworld works.
>>>>>Sometimes payments bounce several days later, usually because of a stolen or maxed-out credit card.
>>
>>That would be an unfulfilled payment, would it not? As I understand, eBay and PayPal hold all payments for a while to make sure that they do clear.
Not for credit cards. They came through immediately, and then a few days later the CC company reverses the charge. Paypal then sucks the money out of the seller account (and the thief/buyer gets a free item). It's only happened to me twice but in one case it cost me several hundred in losses
.
>>>>>I've had buyers claim the item was smashed in transit (post office ran over item with truck)
>>
>>Pack your items better.
Please learn to read what I wrote above. The buyer complained that the mailman RAN OVER IT. And yes I agree it is the seller's responsiblity to refund the buyer regardless, which I do on those rare times something goes wrong. But how am I supposed to do that when the buyer ALREADY NEGGED MY FEEDBACK and never gave me a chance to respond???
For you to sit here and defend a buyer who purposely damages my reputation w/o ever contacting me First to fix the problem, indicates to me that you think sellers are scum who deserve to lose money. That you believe it is ALWAYS the sellers' fault and never the buyer.
Actually NBC's Vancouver viewership was poor. They lost money on it.
>>>cheapest U.S. cable subscription would be more than 17â per month.
Yeah but that's for cable. Germany and British viewers have to pay the 17 euro per month (or £145.50 per year) and still don't have cable. Just whatever they pick up by antenna.
Our antenna TV is free.
>>>I look at an eBook reader as a crippled tablet.
I look at a tablet as a pisspoor substitute for a book. Heavy and it has that annoying light shining in my eyes. I want my book reader to be a closer to paper as possible, and e-ink does that.
Amazon is the cheapest because a lot of their sellers are dishonest punks who advertise things like "new" and then send me scratched-up junk. Oftentimes amazon will refund the money on the spot.
Like 75-100 books. Do you really need an e-reader just to read? Plus many e-books are overpriced, where used books only cost 1 penny plus shipping.
If it were me I'd buy the cheaper e-book available which is the Kindle for $79. I wouldn't go spending hundreds of dollars on a device.
>>> Once you've paid, your end is fullfilled and the seller should leave positive feedback.
False. "No negatives for buyers" means the buyer power to blackmail the seller. And yes I have experienced it. People contact me through email & demand a 25% or 50% discount or else they will neg me. (I have no choice but to give in because I can't neg them back. They are holding the weapon and I have nothing.)
And you say a buyer has nothing to do beyond paying. That's wrong. (1) Sometimes payments bounce several days later, usually because of a stolen or maxed-out credit card. That's reason for a negative feedback to warn other sellers. (2) I've had buyers claim non-receipt even though I have a tracking number showing they received it. They neg me; I neg them back to warn other sellers. (3) I've had buyers claim the item was smashed in transit (post office ran over item with truck) and then leave me a negative, never offering me a chance to send them a replacement game/issue a refund. That's a Bad buyer. (4) And the blackmail example above. (5) I could go on and on and on. Many buyers on ebay are professional scam artists whose mission is to get stuff for free & screw the seller.
There are LOTS of things a buyer can do to make a seller's life miserable, and these buyers deserve negatives to warn other sellers about their habits.
To claim buyers don't know how to be evil & never deserve a negative, merely shows you have never encountered a scam artist as buyer. Or never worked retail (just picture in your mind a buyer yelling-and-cursing at a Walmart employee).
>>>Sorry, but it works both ways. The new rules were implemented because sellers were ripping buyers off as well. Shipping fake goods, not shipping items at all, refusing refunds that were within the terms of the transaction and then threatening to leave negative feedback was a common theme.
>>>
Yes ripoff scams work both ways: Bad buyers and bad sellers.
So too should the feedback. Negative for bad buyers and negative for bad sellers.
The way things are now it appears bad buyers don't exist. Which is flat wrong and you know it.
>>>his one negative feedback would ruin my account with only 60 positive feedbacks.
Not really. You have (or rather had) the ability to leave replies to negatives from sellers. Here's what I wrote after I had a bad seller:
(-) Buyer is difficult to deal with. Avoid
Reply by cpu6502: You sold "new" games that were scratched. Paypal refunded my cash & suspended seller (insufficient funds).
This lets other sellers know that the neg I received was not deserved. So I have 60 out of 61. Big deal. It won't stop me from buying more stuff. (Or selling.)
History shows that the inventors of new technology rarely gain an edge over other countries. If they do it's only temporary. It is better to let the other country (or company) waste millions on R&D and then you just copy what they did.
We did that with the industrial revolution (invented by the UK, copied by everyone else), the rocket-propelled missile (invented by Germany; copied by us), the jet plane (invented by Germany; copied by us), the steam train (invented by the UK; copied by us), et cetera.
We have invented some things on our own but almost all those inventions were done by hobbyists spending their own money, not the government or taxpayer's money. I can think of very few examples where the U.S. Government invented something that had lasting value. So I say: Let somebody else waste billions on R&D and we'll just copy the end result. Example: The Japanese invented HDTV. We copied their idea for cheap.
Thanks to modern medicine the odds of a president dying in office have gone way down. In our first hundred years several presidents died during their first two terms, so the VP mattered.
But in the 1900s only one died during his first two terms (shot), and that threat is also now near-zero because of bullet proof cars and vigilant secret service. We really shouldn't worry about a VP taking-over.
BTW why would a liberal like Dennis Kucinich defund the science research for fusion reactors? I don't understand that. It made sense when he stood with Ron Paul against the Libyan War, and also in favor of a Federal Reserve audit, but not the anti-science stance.
How do I use my PC's touch interface when I'm eating pizza? (shrug). To me Windows8 looks like a tablet interface. It doesn't belong on a desktop or laptop where people are trying to do actual work.
The solution seems simple:
If the Bundle has 4 games and only 2 are new, take $15-$20 you normally donate and make it $7.50 to $10 this time.
So Linux users pay the most but does that figure include Android linux? I suspect not. Else it would be low like the windows average. (I pay $1.)
>>>small claims court for $10-$100
It's more than that. I've met people online who sued Toyota for $5000 because they refused to replace their 20,000-mile dead engine. The person wanted the repair cost refunded so they filed in small claims against the dealer.
This just in: Doesn't mean we have to be quiet with our complaints.
Ebay has long deserved the hate speech it receives online. Such as forbidding negative feedback for buyers that rip-off the seller via nonpayment of goods, keeping the new shoes but returning old/wornout shoes, claiming nonreceipt of item when they have it in their hand, et cetera. (No neg feedback == No way to warn other sellers to stay away from the buying scam artist.)
+ 1 Winner!
Best post of this thread. Joyent advertised the life account would last "as long as we exist" and they still exist, so they broke the contract. They are obligated to refund the money to the other party in the contract.
>>>The judge ruled in favour of the fitness centre.
If you would like to speak to the judge, you can find him at the fitness center every Friday night, using his free gold pass.
This seems like a scam to me. The reason you pay the outrageously high "life" prices of ~$1000 is because over the longterm (say: 15 years) it's cheaper than the annual rate (~$100). It's a bargain plus your loyalty is being rewarded.
For companies to discontinue the membership means they actually charged MORE per year than the annual rate. If I did that I'd be called a scam artist like Mr. Charles Ponzi, but if corporations do it then it's somehow okay.
This is an interesting discussion. Verizon sold me DSL wth a promise of charging $14.99 "for life". I saved the image to my c: drive for future reference. I don't anticipate Verizon going out of business, so I'm curious if they will someday try to weasel out of it. Maybe they'll do like Cingular:
It was not a life offer, but instead an offer through my employer at $10 plus per minute billing (government rate). One day I got the bill and it was the $30 unlimited minutes plan. I called and they said they discontinued the $10 plan. Didn't even bother me to tell me ahead of time about the switch, so I refused to pay and they put a black mark on my credit report (though my rating is so high it made no difference).
Their greed led to a lost customer: For life. Now I use VirginMobile for $5/month for 30 minutes. Cingular... now ATT... can go suck it.
>>>Is it really worth their time to deal with bad PR and the deluge of hate emails/calls to their support people from a bunch of annoyed /.ers?
(1) You hire accountants and lawyers so you Don't have to waste your valuable time. (2) Let's slashdot Joyent. Like we did with the LendInk-destroying authors and a few months ago, that Candace Scwanger lady that stole a photographer's photo and threatened to sue him (she dropped the case last I heard).