Well yes. Obviously vandalizing the store's equipment is a crime. The guy should have been forced to pay the store's fees to wipe the Macs clean.
Nevertheless there are still TONS of articles I can link to about Apple's recent bad behavior. Just yesterday there was an article about Apple telling store owners to stop selling Samsung phones. Where do they get off doing that???
>>>the apple store is not a public facility but a private one
According to New York and most state laws, a private venue that has been opened to the general citizenry is no longer a private area. It is defined as a "public facility" and therefore has to abide by the state's non-discrimination, non-smoking, and other laws.
That article fails to show how we are all criminals. Does anybody else have better articles? I'm curious to see if I really have broken the law or not.
" the artist who had the Secret Service raid his home at the behest of Apple, who was miffed with Kyle's surreptitious capture of people's expressions as they stared at computers in Apple Stores"
Holy hell. I didn't hear this story til now, but what the HELL was Apple (and Jobs since he was still in charge) thinking? A public facility is not only forbidden from discriminating against people based on race, sex, age, et cetera, but also forbidden from blocking people from recording (with camera, audio, pen-and-paper) what they witness in plain sight.
That's it. From this point forward when I hear someone waxing beautifically about hwo "great" Apple is, I will be linking to this story. And others. To show them how tyrannical the company has truly become.
If Lucas (or RIAA or MPAA) ever tries to sue me, and I end-up owing millions of dollars of supposed "damages", they can eat a bullet. If I'm going to receive a life sentence as my punishment, make it for something worthwhile, not fake rights.
Considering I see TVs for 70 dollars, I hardly think the manufacturer is "doubling" the cost versus non-TV monitors. Also: Why sell a separate box for the TV? Ever since the 1940s televisions have been sold as an integrated unit of video + speakers + tuner. Very few people want to buy a separate screen, a separate audio system, and a separate tuner. They want it all integrated into one single box for convenience and appearance.
We've strayed from my original point: Destruction or damage to property harms the owner, since his once-pristine building is now vandalized & less valuable. Nobody is harmed when I copy a song, since the owner still had his original copy..... At most you can argue the song owner "lost a sale" but in reality I never would have wasted money on Britney's junk song, so she has lost nothing since no sale ever occured.
>>>You do realize that you then accept these un-vaccinated children giving the diseases they contract to children who for one reason or another cannot receive the vaccines and that some will die? >>> >>>Personal freedom is good and all, but your right to drive a car anywhere you want ends when you run over me.
That is true. However if we follow your logic to its natural conclusion, we also have the right to force people to maintain a BMI equal or below 25, not smoke, not eat trans-fats, and so on. After all, unhealthy persons affect & cost society a great deal of money. "Your right to [be fat, smoke, etc] ends when you [cost me thousands of dollars in healthcare taxes]."
Therefore we MUST force them to live healthy lifestyles (for the good of civilization). We have the right not just to mandate vaccination for all persons, but also mandate clean living for all persons. PER YOUR own logic.
>>>Nope. The very fact that you've made the call will give a rough geolocation... and any other time the phone pings the base stations
I know. I just SAID that: "Obviously a cellphone has to track you in order to route the calls to your location". What are you saying 'nope' to me for? Learn to read the words in front of your face.
P.S. >>>The problem with your position is the fact that vaccines don't work unless a large percentage of the population is vaccinated.
Also if we follow your logic to its natural conclusion, we also have the right to force people to maintain a BMI 25, not smoke, not eat trans-fats, and so on. After all, unhealthy persons affects & costs society a great deal of money, therefore we MUST force them to live healthy lifestyles (for the good of civilization). We have the right not just to mandate vaccination for all persons, but also mandate clean living for all persons.
>>>>China has killed tens of millions of their own people under communism in the last 60-70 years. Huh? You think China's the nice or good guys???
I very clearly said IN THE LAST DECADE. The American Empire has killed 300,000 innocent men, women, and children through its wars of aggression (and about 50,000 actual soldiers/combatants). The Chinese government has not killed anywhere near that number since 2002. As of the last ten years China is actually "nicer" than the hostile U.S.
We even have the power to shutdown foreign companies like Megaupload w/o needing to prove they did anything wrong. But we're the "good" guys. So that makes it okay. After all we only killed 300,000 people this last decade, versus China who killed..... ummm..... wait there's something wrong with my theorem.
Ooooh. I thought you wanted each one of us to cough-up $60,000 for an artist to produce a single CD. Like how my employer pays me $60,000 to develop a circuit card.
There is not, by nature, a right to keep an idea to oneself once the idea is released to the wild.
If I copied Britney Spears "Ooops I Did It Again" from a neighbor, well then good for me. AND good for Britney too. She can hear herself sing anytime she feels like it...... it's not as if I stole a loaf of bread and deprived the owner. With replication Britney can still enjoy her song. Just as she can light my fireplace by giving me a bit of fire, while not depriving herself of warmth in her own home.
Yeah I don't buy that argument. If I am immunized from polio, what do I care if the unvaccinated idiot gets it? The disease doesn't affect me.
And if I'm on those who, like the bubble boy, can't develop immunities then that's MY problem to deal with. I still don't have a right to force someone to stick foreign substances into their body via injection. I am not their master and they are not my serf.
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Obviously a cellphone has to track you in order to route the calls to your location, but I can't imagine my free phone from VirginMobile "sees everything... my relationship to other human beings and other robots." My phone just makes calls. The end.
I am one of those who is pro-vaccination but also pro-choice. Just as I don't think a woman should be forced to carry a baby to end-of-term, neither do I think people should be forced to inject stuff in arms.
I have been fully-vaccinated because I think it's a good idea, but I would never force another person to do it: It's their body, not mine. They are free individuals, not serfs to be held-down and forced to carry a baby or vaccine.
>>>Yes, Kazaa "mistreated her" by her voluntarily deciding to download, install and use the program without any coercion from the makers of the program
Kazaa usually had tracking bots buried inside of it, or installed alongside it, without ever informing the users. So YES she was harmed by the program. That is what Stallman means by "non-free" - The program was a danger to the users due to its closed-off environment.
>>>One can only hope she won't be scarred for life from that heinous act.
Perhaps not "for life" but she would suffer shorterm scarring if Kazaa or its partners had stolen her ID, or credit card number. You sir are too trusting of the programs you download, if you believe it's okay to just download random shit to your PC w/o any harm.
Destruction or damage to property harms the owner, since his once-pristine building is now vandalize & less valuable. Nobody is harmed when I copy a song, since the owner still had his original copy. (And since I never would have bought his song anyway, he's not lost a sale anyway.)
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I think the GP meant a fanatical devotion to Pope Jobs.
Well yes. Obviously vandalizing the store's equipment is a crime. The guy should have been forced to pay the store's fees to wipe the Macs clean.
Nevertheless there are still TONS of articles I can link to about Apple's recent bad behavior. Just yesterday there was an article about Apple telling store owners to stop selling Samsung phones. Where do they get off doing that???
>>>the apple store is not a public facility but a private one
According to New York and most state laws, a private venue that has been opened to the general citizenry is no longer a private area. It is defined as a "public facility" and therefore has to abide by the state's non-discrimination, non-smoking, and other laws.
That article fails to show how we are all criminals. Does anybody else have better articles? I'm curious to see if I really have broken the law or not.
" the artist who had the Secret Service raid his home at the behest of Apple, who was miffed with Kyle's surreptitious capture of people's expressions as they stared at computers in Apple Stores"
Holy hell. I didn't hear this story til now, but what the HELL was Apple (and Jobs since he was still in charge) thinking? A public facility is not only forbidden from discriminating against people based on race, sex, age, et cetera, but also forbidden from blocking people from recording (with camera, audio, pen-and-paper) what they witness in plain sight.
That's it. From this point forward when I hear someone waxing beautifically about hwo "great" Apple is, I will be linking to this story. And others. To show them how tyrannical the company has truly become.
If Lucas (or RIAA or MPAA) ever tries to sue me, and I end-up owing millions of dollars of supposed "damages", they can eat a bullet. If I'm going to receive a life sentence as my punishment, make it for something worthwhile, not fake rights.
Considering I see TVs for 70 dollars, I hardly think the manufacturer is "doubling" the cost versus non-TV monitors. Also: Why sell a separate box for the TV? Ever since the 1940s televisions have been sold as an integrated unit of video + speakers + tuner. Very few people want to buy a separate screen, a separate audio system, and a separate tuner. They want it all integrated into one single box for convenience and appearance.
We've strayed from my original point: Destruction or damage to property harms the owner, since his once-pristine building is now vandalized & less valuable. Nobody is harmed when I copy a song, since the owner still had his original copy..... At most you can argue the song owner "lost a sale" but in reality I never would have wasted money on Britney's junk song, so she has lost nothing since no sale ever occured.
>>>You do realize that you then accept these un-vaccinated children giving the diseases they contract to children who for one reason or another cannot receive the vaccines and that some will die?
>>>
>>>Personal freedom is good and all, but your right to drive a car anywhere you want ends when you run over me.
That is true. However if we follow your logic to its natural conclusion, we also have the right to force people to maintain a BMI equal or below 25, not smoke, not eat trans-fats, and so on. After all, unhealthy persons affect & cost society a great deal of money. "Your right to [be fat, smoke, etc] ends when you [cost me thousands of dollars in healthcare taxes]."
Therefore we MUST force them to live healthy lifestyles (for the good of civilization). We have the right not just to mandate vaccination for all persons, but also mandate clean living for all persons. PER YOUR own logic.
>>>Nope. The very fact that you've made the call will give a rough geolocation... and any other time the phone pings the base stations
I know. I just SAID that: "Obviously a cellphone has to track you in order to route the calls to your location". What are you saying 'nope' to me for? Learn to read the words in front of your face.
P.S.
>>>The problem with your position is the fact that vaccines don't work unless a large percentage of the population is vaccinated.
Also if we follow your logic to its natural conclusion, we also have the right to force people to maintain a BMI 25, not smoke, not eat trans-fats, and so on. After all, unhealthy persons affects & costs society a great deal of money, therefore we MUST force them to live healthy lifestyles (for the good of civilization). We have the right not just to mandate vaccination for all persons, but also mandate clean living for all persons.
>>>>China has killed tens of millions of their own people under communism in the last 60-70 years. Huh? You think China's the nice or good guys???
I very clearly said IN THE LAST DECADE. The American Empire has killed 300,000 innocent men, women, and children through its wars of aggression (and about 50,000 actual soldiers/combatants). The Chinese government has not killed anywhere near that number since 2002. As of the last ten years China is actually "nicer" than the hostile U.S.
We even have the power to shutdown foreign companies like Megaupload w/o needing to prove they did anything wrong. But we're the "good" guys. So that makes it okay. After all we only killed 300,000 people this last decade, versus China who killed..... ummm..... wait there's something wrong with my theorem.
Ooooh. I thought you wanted each one of us to cough-up $60,000 for an artist to produce a single CD. Like how my employer pays me $60,000 to develop a circuit card.
There is not, by nature, a right to keep an idea to oneself once the idea is released to the wild.
If I copied Britney Spears "Ooops I Did It Again" from a neighbor, well then good for me. AND good for Britney too. She can hear herself sing anytime she feels like it...... it's not as if I stole a loaf of bread and deprived the owner. With replication Britney can still enjoy her song. Just as she can light my fireplace by giving me a bit of fire, while not depriving herself of warmth in her own home.
Yeah I don't buy that argument. If I am immunized from polio, what do I care if the unvaccinated idiot gets it? The disease doesn't affect me.
And if I'm on those who, like the bubble boy, can't develop immunities then that's MY problem to deal with. I still don't have a right to force someone to stick foreign substances into their body via injection. I am not their master and they are not my serf.
>>>MoBot
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Supposedly for 911 locating, but I suspect a secondary reason is for 9/11-related locating.
>>>My parents are still using one of my hand-me-downs from the '90s!
Thought they switched-off analog cell service? I still have the phone ATT sold me in 1999, but it no longer has any analog signals to intercept.
Obviously a cellphone has to track you in order to route the calls to your location, but I can't imagine my free phone from VirginMobile "sees everything... my relationship to other human beings and other robots." My phone just makes calls. The end.
>>>3D movies are getting better and better.
Are they still entertaining when viewed in 2D? Nope. (Of course few movies today are really entertaining. Glorified CGI demos with little story.)
+ 1 insightful.
I am one of those who is pro-vaccination but also pro-choice. Just as I don't think a woman should be forced to carry a baby to end-of-term, neither do I think people should be forced to inject stuff in arms.
I have been fully-vaccinated because I think it's a good idea, but I would never force another person to do it: It's their body, not mine. They are free individuals, not serfs to be held-down and forced to carry a baby or vaccine.
YOU would be out of work too if people were able to just share music for free. There would be no funds for you to get paid for your engineering.
>>>Yes, Kazaa "mistreated her" by her voluntarily deciding to download, install and use the program without any coercion from the makers of the program
Kazaa usually had tracking bots buried inside of it, or installed alongside it, without ever informing the users. So YES she was harmed by the program. That is what Stallman means by "non-free" - The program was a danger to the users due to its closed-off environment.
>>>One can only hope she won't be scarred for life from that heinous act.
Perhaps not "for life" but she would suffer shorterm scarring if Kazaa or its partners had stolen her ID, or credit card number. You sir are too trusting of the programs you download, if you believe it's okay to just download random shit to your PC w/o any harm.
Destruction or damage to property harms the owner, since his once-pristine building is now vandalize & less valuable. Nobody is harmed when I copy a song, since the owner still had his original copy. (And since I never would have bought his song anyway, he's not lost a sale anyway.)