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Chicken Vaccines Combine To Produce Deadly Virus
stoilis sends this quote from an article at Science:
"Vaccines aren't supposed to cause disease. But that appears to be what's happening on Australian farms. Scientists have found that two virus strains used to vaccinate chickens there may have recombined to form a virus that is sickening and killing the animals 'This shows that recombination of such strains can happen and people need to think about it,' says Glenn Browning, a veterinary microbiologist at the University of Melbourne, Parkville, in Australia and one of the co-authors on the paper."
Line up for your Flu Shots!
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Can you catch it if you eat a chicken?
Are aussie chickens exported? (If you order chicken at an Outback steakhouse do you get a bird grown in the USA?
(I am not an Australian you insensitive clod, I was born over 1200 miles away)
How glorious it is to be chicken!
To hatch from an egg; To grow feathers!
To scratch the ground with my claws and beak!
To cluck!
Soon the gods themselves will consume my juicy flesh, and they shall exclaim:
"Behold, this chicken is good!"
Where they "accidentally" released a virus to kill all the rabbits. Just saying that they hav a mixed history with such things.
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
Where is your God now?
Field day for anti vaccine people.
The problem is, they are not wrong.
Even if they usually don't see the problem.
It's not a matter of how many people vaccines have saved.
It's a matter of what is put into EACH vial of vaccine, for what purpose it is administered etc. etc. etc.
In this case, and in countless others, more precaution and testing should be performed. And vaccinations should not be the duct tape that keep the health of the poor chicken good enough, the animal should have good living conditions. No matter if the cost soars, because it simply approaches the real cost.
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Pretty interesting (but not totally surprising) that viruses can combine and recombine like this. They're remarkably good at changing to defeat a host's defenses.
Life...finds a way
They combined more than one chicken vaccine to form a bigger, badder defense against evil?
Go Poultron Force!
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
Don't cross the strains! You get a Megazord of a virus.
Ezekiel 23:20
CC.
TaijiQuan (Huang, 5 loosenings)
Of course, it's a test for a procedure that can be used in the culling of the human population later this century.
Remember, we have to be reduced to 500 million by 2100.
How the next strain of deadly bird flu will occur is that a human will get both bird flu and swine flu at the same time and the viruses will eventually swap enough material to create a super-virus. Biologists already know this so it shouldn't be a surprise that it happens with live vaccines that are conjoined in the same body also.
Virusus (virii?) are remarkably unstable for what they are. So they are constantly mutating and changing randomly. Most of those mutations aren't viable, but they make it up in numbers. Even if a very, very small percentage of a mutation is better equiped to handle the situation the host presents it is going to thrive. And those generations are mutating as well, getting better and better at surviving. Random mutations will, eventually, get it right. Short lifespan (for lack of a better word), coupled with an enormous amount of 'offspring' is incredibly good at adapting to changing environments.
No matter what you do, it will mutate to work around your defenses. Unless you wipe out the whole lot of 'm in one sweep. Like antibiotics are supposed to, but you have to finish the whole prescription. Not finishing the prescription (hey, you have no symptoms anymore, why not quit?) will make sure the surviving viruses will adapt, eventually, to get immune to the antibiotic used.
Long story short: finish your antibiotics prescription even if you're not sick anymore; and don't take antibiotics if you don't need them.
So the anti-vaxxer is not only reducing herd immunity to the strains we can protect against, but also still just as vulnerable to the new virus. The only people who should be opting out of vaccines are those whose vaccination is counter-indicated due to a bona fide medical condition. If you aren't one of those people, and you refuse vaccination, your ass should be deported or jailed, as you pose a clear and present threat to public health -- you're in the same category to me as drunk drivers.
So what you are trying to say is that the chickens that refused immunization caused the outbreak? Stupid chickens!
...thou
Help ma boab! Obama, that scunner, is oot ta git us! Would be braw if that Jennie McCarthy lassie would save us!
JC
If it were only Obama you wouldn't have much to worry about but the executive office is certainly playing a part and has been since Bush 41. Watch the executive orders that have been coming out and compare them to the requirements of U.N. Agenda 21.
... and it's not even a big problem here.
The live virus vaccines used here weren't characterized (sequenced) with respect to which mutations attenuated their replicative abilities. Since the mutations were complementary, one (of many) recombinations of the viral genomes produced a strain which possessed neither of the mutations. The probability of the resultant strain arising would be lower if no such vaccines were administered, as there would be fewer hosts for the virus (more dead chickens). On the other hand, the severity of the resultant epidemic would be greater if no such vaccines were administered.
If the resultant strain has some inherent advantage over its parents then we have a big problem. If not, then we actually have mitigated a problem.
I am not an evolutionary biologist but I am a medicinal chemist specializing in vaccines.
Questions?
The other day we saw the article which described how fools in Georgia USA were playing
around with inserting old DNA into present day E. Coli.
Now there is this.
It's just a matter of time before the excrement impacts the turbine.
For a country teeming with large marsupials which have a tenancy to cream - rather than be creamed by - the impacting vehicle, I find concern about a running over a little bunny somewhat ironic.
How do 2 dead viruses (vaccines, by definition, are dead viruses) combine into one living virus. Is this some kind of Frankenstein magic? Since when are vaccines, consisting of live viruses, used on chickens? Am I the only one noticing this unexplained question?
It is the sole duty of a statistician in science to prove nonabsolute with a "confidence" that makes it seem absolute.
In this case it would appear that th vaccines contained virii/particles that were "statistically not replicating" but were actually doing so (else no recombination could have even survived).
Statisticians give confidence, but that confidence should always be heeded and with caveat.
But I thought vaccines were perfectly safe and anybody doubting the dogma was a hopeless idiot?
Viruses are not decidedly living nor dead as far as we can tell. They are more like parasites to living cells but cannot be defined as living by themselves as they do nothing a living being does (in particular eating). They are "deactivated" in a vaccine, i.e., they have their most "toxic" part removed.
Also you should not have been downvoted for asking a genuine question.
Jenny McCarthy warned us......
I am the unwilling control for my Origin.
These were attenuated viruses, which are weakened but not outright killed. Those are also sometimes used in humans. It's more effective than viruses that have been completely killed and obliterated into their marker proteins.
Occasionally living proof of the Ballmer peak.
A pox on those chickens, I say! A pox!
"vaccines, by definition, are dead viruses"
No, they aren't.
Vaccines, by definition, are agents that induce immunity to a given virus infection with a lower health cost than the real threat. It can be a "dead" virus, it can be an attenuated one, it can be protein group... as long as it produces the intended effect, it's a vaccine.
the sad thing is that there are teabaggers who would believe this.
Line up for your Flu Shots!
Of course it can, just in the same way that all the current variations of flu can mix and match if you catch more than one of them at once. On the balance I assume it's safer to vaccinate and minimise the possibility of this happening.
It is the close proximity of pigs, ducks, and people on Chinese farms that is a major source of flu virus mutations.
“Up to 90% of the total decline in the death rate of children between 1860-1965 because of whooping cough, scarlet fever, diphtheria, and measles occurred before the introduction of immunisations and antibiotics.”
Dr. Archie Kalokerinos, M.D. PhD
Historical trends show that deaths caused by childhood illnesses had already declined as much as 90% before vaccine programs were ever initiated. Evidence indicates that an improved standard of living, better nutrition, and increased sanitation, caused this drop in disease, not vaccines. Evidence also indicates that statistical tampering over the last sixty years has made vaccines appear more effective than they truly are.
Vaccine Injuries are Grossly underreported. There are many vaccine related deaths every year.
Scarlet fever was in existence at the same time and at the same levels as whooping cough, measels, and polio. Incidents of scarlet fever interestingly dropped off at the same rate as the others and we never vaccinated for scarlet fever. Dr. Robyn Cosford