Can you give us an example of a private space that has become forced into a public "speakers corner", with the company owning it unable to control the content any longer?
The alternative to globalism is protectionism. Protectionism has been tried many times, and it doesn't work. If anything, it's even less likely to work these days, now that we have the internet and global supply routes.
The way to deal with globalisation isn't to close our borders, it's to deal with the specific issues.
Education is too expensive, but would be even more expensive if it wasn't for foreign students. The fix is not to turn away that source of revenue that is subsidising local students, it's to deal with the high cost directly. In a lot of European countries university is free for citizens, and costs the government a fraction as much while still being world class institutions.
Jobs are going overseas. That's unfortunate, but if they didn't they would only be automated away anyhow. If not today, then tomorrow. We should help people adapt, to get new high end manufacturing jobs or move into services. Again, Germany has done that, Japan has done that.
The real solutions are hard, and blaming immigrants and globalisation is easy. That's the problem.
Oh, okay. Well, in that case, I was just giving an example, not saying that is the specific behaviour that is the issue here. Twitter Nazis are actually careful to avoid giving themselves away with such obvious things (although that RedPill person clearly didn't get the memo). They call it "hiding your power level", after that Dragon Ball Z cartoon.
where hanging the Union Jack would likely get you a visit from the police.
Speaking of koolaid... That's demonstrable bullshit. The fucking Queen flies it, the government flies it, numerous people fly it. It's our national flag, why the hell would the police visit you for displaying it?
Who told you this? Brietbart? Infowars?
strange how the left is suddenly very pro-war, and cheering Trump on for more of it...
Even the Republicans are trying to steer him away from starting a new war. Where are you getting this nonsense? Specifically who is calling for war?
What he said was: "There are good people on both sides" and he "condemned the violence on both sides."
And you can't see why people are slightly alarmed that he didn't specifically, unconditionally condemn the literal Nazis with their swastikas and their "blood and soil" chants, and literal murder? Especially when he instead tried to draw some kind of equivalence between the counter-protesters and the literal Nazis?
These are people who explicitly support an ideology that murdered 6 million people, genocide on an industrial scale. An ideology build on a foundation of white supremacy and racial purity, that started one of the worst wars in human history to force it on everyone.
And all Trump can say is that there were bad people on both sides. Even "I disagree with their policy of genocide" was too much for him.
where hanging the Union Jack would likely get you a visit from the police.
Speaking of koolaid... That's demonstrable bullshit. The fucking Queen flies it, the government flies it, numerous people fly it. It's our national flag, why the hell would the police visit you for displaying it?
Who told you this? Brietbart? Infowars?
strange how the left is suddenly very pro-war, and cheering Trump on for more of it...
Even the Republicans are trying to steer him away from starting a new war. Where are you getting this nonsense? Specifically who is calling for war?
What he said was: "There are good people on both sides" and he "condemned the violence on both sides."
And you can't see why people are slightly alarmed that he didn't specifically, unconditionally condemn the literal Nazis with their swastikas and their "blood and soil" chants, and literal murder? Especially when he instead tried to draw some kind of equivalence between the counter-protesters and the literal Nazis?
These are people who explicitly support an ideology that murdered 6 million people, genocide on an industrial scale. An ideology build on a foundation of white supremacy and racial purity, that started one of the worst wars in human history to force it on everyone.
And all Trump can say is that there were bad people on both sides. Even "I disagree with their policy of genocide" was too much for him.
Last time I used Edge it was weirdly unresponsive, similar to its predecessor Internet Explorer. You click to open a new tab, and there is a slight delay before it opens. Once it starts opening it's nice and fast, but the disconnect between your input and it reacting makes it feel very sluggish.
The comic you linked to is full of obvious errors. For example, it quotes John Stewart Mill, but completely misses the point he was making. He wasn't arguing that Twitter should not ban anyone ever because it's the new town square public forum, he was arguing for anonymous speech and for the availability of safe spaces where people could express unpopular views.
Basically Mill was an advocate of 4chan and privacy.
The other obvious flaw is that it says we risk leaving who can speak to who can shout the loudest, while also advocating that everyone be given a free megaphone. Mill understood this, his argument was not that everyone should get their own column in The Times, it was that as an individual one should seek to consider all points of view and arguments. In fact, he recognized that publications specializing in certain ideas were necessary to fully develop them, because otherwise you end up constantly defending the basics and never get to discuss the detail with like-minded people in a safe environment.
Reading it, they say that consumers do actually understand that companies (ab)use their personal data and share it with third parties. They also say that 91% are willing to accept legal terms when using apps, web sites and wifi without bothering to read them. Most importantly, since there is no real choice (everything has an EULA, all of them are impenetrable legalese) consumers don't see that as a barrier to ownership, just an inherent part of the technology.
So actually the summary of this report seems to be saying the opposite of what the report does. Consumers are not put off at all by privacy violations, they just accept that if they want that tech they have little choice.
it's ok for tens of thousands ANTIFA and similar to spew hate, insult and otherwise promote hate and violence ?
You are making that up. I doubt there are tens of thousands of Antifa accounts on Twitter, even including the fake Russian ones, let alone "spewing hate". Can you give us some examples?
Did you make it up on your own, or is this inspired by the recent panic over the fictional Antifa uprising that was going to overthrow the government and behead white people?
To the extent that non-racists complaining about what they consider high levels of immigration are described as racist, it's usually because they posted a racist meme without fully understanding the context, or used an argument based on racism with a thin veneer of respectability without realizing it.
Your position was the one taken by overt racists during the recent Brexit and US presidential campaigns. In that climate, it's a hard position to hold and you have to try hard to distance yourself from those people, unfortunately.
Actually the main issue with verified status is that it makes it makes Twitter less willing to take action against that account for rule violations. Verified accounts tend to get a lot of false flagging so Twitter doesn't take reports about them as seriously, and seems to give them more leeway and benefit of the doubt.
Thus verifying Nazis makes it harder to get Twitter to act when they start doxing and demanding you gas yourself.
Random scumbags on the right always represent everybody you disagree with, but when an asshole from Black Lives Matters murders five cops or a Muslim blows somebody up, they are anomalies and we shouldn't paint with a broad brush.
Yes. The Nazis, the white supremacists, their organizations are built around a philosophy of oppressing and ultimately mass murdering people. BLM is an organization built around the opposite of those things. Muslims, well you can argue about just how bad Islam actually is (and I'm not fan), but believing in genocide or terrorism as a legitimate tactic is not a core part of the mainstream interpretation.
The Bernie Sanders supporter
Okay, but did Sanders call for him to commit murder? Does his movement support murder on principal? Can you see why being a Bernie supporter is different to being a Nazi?
The alt-right has spent years infiltrating the GOP and manipulating opinion to make far right / supremacist views more acceptable and mainstream.
Look at the reaction to Charlottesville. You might have expected widespread, unequivocal condemnation... But POTUS came out in support of the Nazis. At least they failed to completely take over the GOP and have been left with an ineffective government that is tearing itself apart as the traditional conservatives try to reclaim their party.
Just because abusing people has benefits for the company doesn't make it right. The kind of environment you describe treats employees as disposable tools.
If also point out that it didn't prevent major gaffes at Apple anyway. It makes you wonder if engineers knew about things like the iPhone 4 antenna but didn't want to tell Jobs for fear of his reaction.
It's there any possibility of a good outcome of you do that? I can think of only bad ones.
- You get fired, now you need a new job fast and won't have a good reference from your previous employer, plus stress and potential relocation.
- It escalates the situation and it gets worse.
- The boss backs down but your working relationship is destroyed, and you may well get some kind of retaliation like a poor review or bad assignments.
This is why there are employment laws, arbitration and HR procedures. It's not your fault, it's the boss' fault and you shouldn't be disadvantaged or negatively affected by it.
Unfortunately it can be hard to come forward about bullying, because of shame or fear, and when people do the response can be inadequate. But it's absolutely the right way to handle it.
I'm not taking about refusing to hire. I'm taking about rating candidates with black sounding names lower. Might not be conscious.
This is all well understood, been studied in detail for decades. Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm not really interested in giving you all that research that you could look at yourself if you really wanted to understand racism. It's like wanting to question gravity in a debate about aircraft design.
Thanks for sharing your story. I've had similar stuff happen and just had to get out. Like you that turned out to be a good career move too. Left me with permanent poor health though, it's no joke.
Before getting all upset about this, does anyone have the definition they used for "rude"? In my experience they usually define it and give examples in the questionnaire, and the journalist's summary description is unreliable.
I'm betting that the real snowflakes here are the ones who were triggered by TFA.
I don't have time to do a long response now, but okay there needs to be action for oppression, but are you really saying that speech does not often lead to action?
The law recognises this, e.g. incitement and conspiracy.
I've noticed that Japanese engineers usually prefer datasheets to be in English. One of the reasons is that datasheets use a lot of English jargon that has come to be well understood by engineers, and there are not similar standard phrases in Japanese versions.
On the other hand the Chinese seem to prefer Chinese datasheets. I often refer to them even when there is an English version, because the English translation doesn't seem to get checked with the same level of care and sometimes misses stuff out. I bought some cheap radio ICs and the English datasheet didn't even mention the vital command needed to make them work, but once I checked the Chinese datasheet was it obvious from the power-up flow chart and they worked pretty well.
I always find it really jarring when TV shows that are supposed to be set in the UK or at least use British English most of the time suddenly throw in Americanisms. Game of Thrones does it about once an episode, with things like "mad" instead of "angry" or "done" instead of "finished".
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Can you give us an example of a private space that has become forced into a public "speakers corner", with the company owning it unable to control the content any longer?
The alternative to globalism is protectionism. Protectionism has been tried many times, and it doesn't work. If anything, it's even less likely to work these days, now that we have the internet and global supply routes.
The way to deal with globalisation isn't to close our borders, it's to deal with the specific issues.
Education is too expensive, but would be even more expensive if it wasn't for foreign students. The fix is not to turn away that source of revenue that is subsidising local students, it's to deal with the high cost directly. In a lot of European countries university is free for citizens, and costs the government a fraction as much while still being world class institutions.
Jobs are going overseas. That's unfortunate, but if they didn't they would only be automated away anyhow. If not today, then tomorrow. We should help people adapt, to get new high end manufacturing jobs or move into services. Again, Germany has done that, Japan has done that.
The real solutions are hard, and blaming immigrants and globalisation is easy. That's the problem.
Oh, okay. Well, in that case, I was just giving an example, not saying that is the specific behaviour that is the issue here. Twitter Nazis are actually careful to avoid giving themselves away with such obvious things (although that RedPill person clearly didn't get the memo). They call it "hiding your power level", after that Dragon Ball Z cartoon.
where hanging the Union Jack would likely get you a visit from the police.
Speaking of koolaid... That's demonstrable bullshit. The fucking Queen flies it, the government flies it, numerous people fly it. It's our national flag, why the hell would the police visit you for displaying it?
Who told you this? Brietbart? Infowars?
strange how the left is suddenly very pro-war, and cheering Trump on for more of it...
Even the Republicans are trying to steer him away from starting a new war. Where are you getting this nonsense? Specifically who is calling for war?
What he said was: "There are good people on both sides" and he "condemned the violence on both sides."
And you can't see why people are slightly alarmed that he didn't specifically, unconditionally condemn the literal Nazis with their swastikas and their "blood and soil" chants, and literal murder? Especially when he instead tried to draw some kind of equivalence between the counter-protesters and the literal Nazis?
These are people who explicitly support an ideology that murdered 6 million people, genocide on an industrial scale. An ideology build on a foundation of white supremacy and racial purity, that started one of the worst wars in human history to force it on everyone.
And all Trump can say is that there were bad people on both sides. Even "I disagree with their policy of genocide" was too much for him.
where hanging the Union Jack would likely get you a visit from the police.
Speaking of koolaid... That's demonstrable bullshit. The fucking Queen flies it, the government flies it, numerous people fly it. It's our national flag, why the hell would the police visit you for displaying it?
Who told you this? Brietbart? Infowars?
strange how the left is suddenly very pro-war, and cheering Trump on for more of it...
Even the Republicans are trying to steer him away from starting a new war. Where are you getting this nonsense? Specifically who is calling for war?
What he said was: "There are good people on both sides" and he "condemned the violence on both sides."
And you can't see why people are slightly alarmed that he didn't specifically, unconditionally condemn the literal Nazis with their swastikas and their "blood and soil" chants, and literal murder? Especially when he instead tried to draw some kind of equivalence between the counter-protesters and the literal Nazis?
These are people who explicitly support an ideology that murdered 6 million people, genocide on an industrial scale. An ideology build on a foundation of white supremacy and racial purity, that started one of the worst wars in human history to force it on everyone.
And all Trump can say is that there were bad people on both sides. Even "I disagree with their policy of genocide" was too much for him.
You think "IWillRedPillYou", with their Pepe the Frog memes, is not part of the alt-right?
And that guy with a photo of Assad, clearly a leftist...
What is your actual point here? It's not clear why you linked to a bunch of unpleasant Twitter accounts.
Last time I used Edge it was weirdly unresponsive, similar to its predecessor Internet Explorer. You click to open a new tab, and there is a slight delay before it opens. Once it starts opening it's nice and fast, but the disconnect between your input and it reacting makes it feel very sluggish.
The comic you linked to is full of obvious errors. For example, it quotes John Stewart Mill, but completely misses the point he was making. He wasn't arguing that Twitter should not ban anyone ever because it's the new town square public forum, he was arguing for anonymous speech and for the availability of safe spaces where people could express unpopular views.
Basically Mill was an advocate of 4chan and privacy.
The other obvious flaw is that it says we risk leaving who can speak to who can shout the loudest, while also advocating that everyone be given a free megaphone. Mill understood this, his argument was not that everyone should get their own column in The Times, it was that as an individual one should seek to consider all points of view and arguments. In fact, he recognized that publications specializing in certain ideas were necessary to fully develop them, because otherwise you end up constantly defending the basics and never get to discuss the detail with like-minded people in a safe environment.
Here is a link to the actual report: https://www2.deloitte.com/cont...
Reading it, they say that consumers do actually understand that companies (ab)use their personal data and share it with third parties. They also say that 91% are willing to accept legal terms when using apps, web sites and wifi without bothering to read them. Most importantly, since there is no real choice (everything has an EULA, all of them are impenetrable legalese) consumers don't see that as a barrier to ownership, just an inherent part of the technology.
So actually the summary of this report seems to be saying the opposite of what the report does. Consumers are not put off at all by privacy violations, they just accept that if they want that tech they have little choice.
it's ok for tens of thousands ANTIFA and similar to spew hate, insult and otherwise promote hate and violence ?
You are making that up. I doubt there are tens of thousands of Antifa accounts on Twitter, even including the fake Russian ones, let alone "spewing hate". Can you give us some examples?
Did you make it up on your own, or is this inspired by the recent panic over the fictional Antifa uprising that was going to overthrow the government and behead white people?
To the extent that non-racists complaining about what they consider high levels of immigration are described as racist, it's usually because they posted a racist meme without fully understanding the context, or used an argument based on racism with a thin veneer of respectability without realizing it.
Your position was the one taken by overt racists during the recent Brexit and US presidential campaigns. In that climate, it's a hard position to hold and you have to try hard to distance yourself from those people, unfortunately.
Thanks. You are right, and the health issues come on so slowly that it's usually too late by the time you even notice them.
Actually the main issue with verified status is that it makes it makes Twitter less willing to take action against that account for rule violations. Verified accounts tend to get a lot of false flagging so Twitter doesn't take reports about them as seriously, and seems to give them more leeway and benefit of the doubt.
Thus verifying Nazis makes it harder to get Twitter to act when they start doxing and demanding you gas yourself.
Random scumbags on the right always represent everybody you disagree with, but when an asshole from Black Lives Matters murders five cops or a Muslim blows somebody up, they are anomalies and we shouldn't paint with a broad brush.
Yes. The Nazis, the white supremacists, their organizations are built around a philosophy of oppressing and ultimately mass murdering people. BLM is an organization built around the opposite of those things. Muslims, well you can argue about just how bad Islam actually is (and I'm not fan), but believing in genocide or terrorism as a legitimate tactic is not a core part of the mainstream interpretation.
The Bernie Sanders supporter
Okay, but did Sanders call for him to commit murder? Does his movement support murder on principal? Can you see why being a Bernie supporter is different to being a Nazi?
The alt-right has spent years infiltrating the GOP and manipulating opinion to make far right / supremacist views more acceptable and mainstream.
Look at the reaction to Charlottesville. You might have expected widespread, unequivocal condemnation... But POTUS came out in support of the Nazis. At least they failed to completely take over the GOP and have been left with an ineffective government that is tearing itself apart as the traditional conservatives try to reclaim their party.
Just because abusing people has benefits for the company doesn't make it right. The kind of environment you describe treats employees as disposable tools.
If also point out that it didn't prevent major gaffes at Apple anyway. It makes you wonder if engineers knew about things like the iPhone 4 antenna but didn't want to tell Jobs for fear of his reaction.
It's there any possibility of a good outcome of you do that? I can think of only bad ones.
- You get fired, now you need a new job fast and won't have a good reference from your previous employer, plus stress and potential relocation.
- It escalates the situation and it gets worse.
- The boss backs down but your working relationship is destroyed, and you may well get some kind of retaliation like a poor review or bad assignments.
This is why there are employment laws, arbitration and HR procedures. It's not your fault, it's the boss' fault and you shouldn't be disadvantaged or negatively affected by it.
Unfortunately it can be hard to come forward about bullying, because of shame or fear, and when people do the response can be inadequate. But it's absolutely the right way to handle it.
My usual trick to is so what no Slashdot troll would ever expect and read TFA, but in this case it's paywalled. I say we ban paywalled articles.
Thanks for flagging this one up.
I'm not taking about refusing to hire. I'm taking about rating candidates with black sounding names lower. Might not be conscious.
This is all well understood, been studied in detail for decades. Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm not really interested in giving you all that research that you could look at yourself if you really wanted to understand racism. It's like wanting to question gravity in a debate about aircraft design.
Thanks for sharing your story. I've had similar stuff happen and just had to get out. Like you that turned out to be a good career move too. Left me with permanent poor health though, it's no joke.
Before getting all upset about this, does anyone have the definition they used for "rude"? In my experience they usually define it and give examples in the questionnaire, and the journalist's summary description is unreliable.
I'm betting that the real snowflakes here are the ones who were triggered by TFA.
I disagree, being denied opportunities and services is harm.
I don't have time to do a long response now, but okay there needs to be action for oppression, but are you really saying that speech does not often lead to action?
The law recognises this, e.g. incitement and conspiracy.
I've noticed that Japanese engineers usually prefer datasheets to be in English. One of the reasons is that datasheets use a lot of English jargon that has come to be well understood by engineers, and there are not similar standard phrases in Japanese versions.
On the other hand the Chinese seem to prefer Chinese datasheets. I often refer to them even when there is an English version, because the English translation doesn't seem to get checked with the same level of care and sometimes misses stuff out. I bought some cheap radio ICs and the English datasheet didn't even mention the vital command needed to make them work, but once I checked the Chinese datasheet was it obvious from the power-up flow chart and they worked pretty well.
I always find it really jarring when TV shows that are supposed to be set in the UK or at least use British English most of the time suddenly throw in Americanisms. Game of Thrones does it about once an episode, with things like "mad" instead of "angry" or "done" instead of "finished".