I will be tweeting and celebrating only when the tide of intolerance, and evil fanaticism is eradicated totally, and myself and my family can look forward to living free in a world where we do not have to fear that a person is plotting to kill me, just because my views of life and liberty is different to theirs.
That's not why they want to kill you, they want to kill you because you do not believe in the same religion they do.
To be more precise, they want to kill everyone who does not believe as fervently as they do in the same interpretation of their religion.
Yeah, that's why the struck the WTC and Pentagon instead of the Vatican and other bastions of religion.
Just because a person is born on American soil does not make that person a citizen.
Presumably the courts' opinions have more legal bearing than your opinion.
Don't confuse "the way I think the law of the land ought to be" with "the way the law of the land is". Probably all of us are unhappy about some legality or another, but unless we can take our views to court and win, it's just an opinion about how things ought to be.
I'm sorry for the quip, but really this has been a reality from even before the internet. At first, CNN (read Cable TV) seemed to straighten out the other big three, now that is toast.
I don't know about that, but what's certain is that CNN brought us 24-hour news coverage, which means that they and their imitators had to find something to talk about around the clock even if there wasn't much new of national interest going on. So now every flavor of nuttery and gossip gets covered as if were actually newsworthy.
A day after President Obama made his joke about Michele Bachman being born in Canada I found someone on Yahoo Answers seriously asking if she was born there.
I want evidence that she was born at all. If ever there was a plausible case of a Lizard (wo)Man infilterating a human governing organization, this is it.
Openleaks is better than Wikileaks because it does not rely on any centralized authority, or have any single place from which to target. It's a general purpose technology (a lot like linux) which can be adapted to any news organization or any organization in general which needs to receive reports or leaks from anonymous sources.
What's interesting about "authority" in this case, is that government's aren't bothering to insist that Wikileaks is releasing fake documents. There reactions are the best possible proof that the documents *are* real.
If the media would do a better job releasing the "news" to us then maybe the public would be more likely to believe what they were told.
The release of the "long form" birth certificate is a perfect example
No, it's a horrible example. The media didn't sit on the LFBC for three years, because they didn't have it either.
Hawaii released the SFBC because that's their policy. It just wasn't good enough for a lot of people who had some reason to desperately believe that the prez wasn't really the Prez. The media had nothing to do with it, except perhaps for some propaganda outfit fanning the flames of the kookery.
The "don't care" option doesn't go down well with the conspiracy theorists though. Many times I've had some raving conspiracy nut going on and on about, eg, the JFK assassination and when I say "sorry, mate, I just don't give a toss about the assassination of JFK" they react like I'm the devils spawn or something. Almost like telling a raving evangelical christian that I'm agnostic.
Presumably subscribing to a conspiracy theory gives someone a sense of belonging, and thus of self-validation. It makes you a member of a small elite that knows what is *really* going on.
So not caring is more of an affront than disagreeing with them. Disbelieving just means you refuse to be converted, but not caring says that their subscription to the cult belief doesn't make them important even if they have the facts right.
When that was written , America had just come out of an independance war and didn't want to have foreign interference any more.
Probably they were afraid that King George would send one of his Black Socialist henchmen to come over, get elected, and hand the country back over to the UK.
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;"
Question: who is "natural born"? I propose all candidates must prove they are natural born.
Well, it's clear that no one living today was a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of that Constitution, so it looks like we need to stop having presidents.
Of course the idea that a god existing makes anything more meaningful is also pretty funny if you think about it.
What would then be the "reason" for that god existing for example?
In the end there is no meaning other than what you create for yourself. Most find it easier to copy their meanings from others - and the larger a group is, the more convincing their meanings appear..
IOW, religions have always exercised the same sort of alternate-reality support as this story describes as "new" for the Internet Age.
When you immerse yourself in a subculture that believes X, it becomes easy to believe X and hard to be motivated to ask questions that challenge X. It doesn't matter whether your source of authority is FOX News, David Koresh, or the Pope - it works the same in each case, and depends on surrounding yourself with people who suckle at the same tit.
What the article is unclear about and what nobody knows at this stage, is if he indeed went down fighting, or the US troops burst in and riddled him full of holes.
Initial reports said he was killed by a bomb. The footsloggers may have just been a recovery team.
He's taking credit for getting Osama to release his death certificate...
I was amused to see on another forum, a picture-poster of Obama saying "Sorry it took me so long to get you my birth certificate - I was busy killing Bin Laden".
Osama bin Laden deserved to be brought to justice for what he did, but he didn't kill for the sake of killing. He killed because he believed it was the right thing to do.
I was initially baffled at the choice of the WTC as a target, but after a while figured it out.
To him and his cronies, killing the people who worked in the WTC was no more evil than we thought of ourselves for killing the people who worked in the Baghdad telephone exchange at the start of the Gulf War. "Necessity", for some goal or the other.
Everyone can rationalize whatever they want to do.
and celebrate this asshole's death. Good fucking riddance.
He deserved worse than he got, but I find it hard to outright celebrate any person's death, even when it's someone who deserved it and the world is a better place without them.
I also find it sobering that it took the superest-power that has ever existed 9-1/2 years to bring down the (possibly) most-wanted criminal ever.
And sobering - troubling - that there are thousands, possibly millions more out there who can rationalize to themselves that killing a few thousand people in pursuit of their ideological goals is acceptable.
You know, if sufficiently motivated we could take this perpetual argument out of the realm of partisan/ideological interpretation by looking at the most recent budget and revenues, and comparing them item-by-item with ten years earlier, when people generally thought times were good. Then we'd know exactly what grew and what shrank, and could argue about who was responsible for them. (Though we'd probably still argue forever.)
I haven't studied it carefully, but the big changes seem to be (grouped by general area):
2+ unbudgeted wars, plus nearly doubled regular defense spending.
Homeland Security expenses.
Medicare expansion and "Obamacare".
Bailouts, stimulus, decreased tax revenue due to the economic meltdown.
Tax cuts.
Probably more that aren't coming to mind right now...
Both parties have contributed to almost all of these, though perhaps not in equal measure.
And of course, the usual American political dialogue runs like this:
If my party held the presidency and the other party held the Congress, bad things are the Congress's fault and good things are to the President's credit.
If my party held the Congress and the other party held the presidency, bad things are the President's fault and good thing are to the Congress's credit.
If my party holds both, good things are to their credit and bad things arise from an earlier era when my party didn't hold both.
If my party holds neither, bad things are the to the current party's credit and good things arise from an earlier when my party controlled something.
Political arguments tend to have about the same amount of substance as religious arguments.
He should have waited until 3 months before the election. The American public have a short term memory for achievements.
The miracle is that they have kept it quiet for a week.
We may be hearing it now because it was about to come out through other channels. Late Sunday night doesn't seem like a likely choice for high-positive-impact announcements from politicians.
Unless maybe they wanted to pump the Monday stock market.
Or maybe they rushed it out on Sunday to get maximal slope out of the inevitable contrast with the May 1, 2003 "Mission Accomplished" speech.
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I will be tweeting and celebrating only when the tide of intolerance, and evil fanaticism is eradicated totally, and myself and my family can look forward to living free in a world where we do not have to fear that a person is plotting to kill me, just because my views of life and liberty is different to theirs.
That's not why they want to kill you, they want to kill you because you do not believe in the same religion they do.
To be more precise, they want to kill everyone who does not believe as fervently as they do in the same interpretation of their religion.
Yeah, that's why the struck the WTC and Pentagon instead of the Vatican and other bastions of religion.
Just because a person is born on American soil does not make that person a citizen.
Presumably the courts' opinions have more legal bearing than your opinion.
Don't confuse "the way I think the law of the land ought to be" with "the way the law of the land is". Probably all of us are unhappy about some legality or another, but unless we can take our views to court and win, it's just an opinion about how things ought to be.
I'm sorry for the quip, but really this has been a reality from even before the internet. At first, CNN (read Cable TV) seemed to straighten out the other big three, now that is toast.
I don't know about that, but what's certain is that CNN brought us 24-hour news coverage, which means that they and their imitators had to find something to talk about around the clock even if there wasn't much new of national interest going on. So now every flavor of nuttery and gossip gets covered as if were actually newsworthy.
A day after President Obama made his joke about Michele Bachman being born in Canada I found someone on Yahoo Answers seriously asking if she was born there.
I want evidence that she was born at all. If ever there was a plausible case of a Lizard (wo)Man infilterating a human governing organization, this is it.
Openleaks is better than Wikileaks because it does not rely on any centralized authority, or have any single place from which to target. It's a general purpose technology (a lot like linux) which can be adapted to any news organization or any organization in general which needs to receive reports or leaks from anonymous sources.
What's interesting about "authority" in this case, is that government's aren't bothering to insist that Wikileaks is releasing fake documents. There reactions are the best possible proof that the documents *are* real.
If the media would do a better job releasing the "news" to us then maybe the public would be more likely to believe what they were told.
The release of the "long form" birth certificate is a perfect example
No, it's a horrible example. The media didn't sit on the LFBC for three years, because they didn't have it either.
Hawaii released the SFBC because that's their policy. It just wasn't good enough for a lot of people who had some reason to desperately believe that the prez wasn't really the Prez. The media had nothing to do with it, except perhaps for some propaganda outfit fanning the flames of the kookery.
I don't think anyone has ever argued OBL was born in the US. If you are mixing up BHO with OBL then there are some greater issues.
You mean like this?
so I'd pick the "not care" option.
The "don't care" option doesn't go down well with the conspiracy theorists though. Many times I've had some raving conspiracy nut going on and on about, eg, the JFK assassination and when I say "sorry, mate, I just don't give a toss about the assassination of JFK" they react like I'm the devils spawn or something. Almost like telling a raving evangelical christian that I'm agnostic.
Presumably subscribing to a conspiracy theory gives someone a sense of belonging, and thus of self-validation. It makes you a member of a small elite that knows what is *really* going on.
So not caring is more of an affront than disagreeing with them. Disbelieving just means you refuse to be converted, but not caring says that their subscription to the cult belief doesn't make them important even if they have the facts right.
When that was written , America had just come out of an independance war and didn't want to have foreign interference any more.
Probably they were afraid that King George would send one of his Black Socialist henchmen to come over, get elected, and hand the country back over to the UK.
And I have heard several people claim that the US government is run by zionist lizard-men from another world
How foolish. Everyone knows that lizard men are merely an older race from good ol' Earth.
And the deities they worship seem an unlikely choice for Zionists.
Article II - The Executive Branch
Section 1 - The President
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;"
Question: who is "natural born"? I propose all candidates must prove they are natural born.
Well, it's clear that no one living today was a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of that Constitution, so it looks like we need to stop having presidents.
To clarify: If you consider the Faux Nooz commentators "pundits", then so is the goatse troll.
Or, if you consider FOX News "news", you may as well consider their "pundits" as pundits.
Of course the idea that a god existing makes anything more meaningful is also pretty funny if you think about it.
What would then be the "reason" for that god existing for example?
In the end there is no meaning other than what you create for yourself. Most find it easier to copy their meanings from others - and the larger a group is, the more convincing their meanings appear..
IOW, religions have always exercised the same sort of alternate-reality support as this story describes as "new" for the Internet Age.
When you immerse yourself in a subculture that believes X, it becomes easy to believe X and hard to be motivated to ask questions that challenge X. It doesn't matter whether your source of authority is FOX News, David Koresh, or the Pope - it works the same in each case, and depends on surrounding yourself with people who suckle at the same tit.
Was it gang warfare??? WTF? Seriously, I've lived in Austin, TX from 2001 to 2006. In all that time, I've never heard gunshots outside a gun range.
This is Texas, not some dusty scene from the Wild Wild West with a ubiquitous saloon in every town. Sheesh!
I was just wisecracking. I've spent about 500 Sunday nights in Austin, and don't think I ever heard a gunshot.
What the article is unclear about and what nobody knows at this stage, is if he indeed went down fighting, or the US troops burst in and riddled him full of holes.
Initial reports said he was killed by a bomb. The footsloggers may have just been a recovery team.
He's taking credit for getting Osama to release his death certificate...
I was amused to see on another forum, a picture-poster of Obama saying "Sorry it took me so long to get you my birth certificate - I was busy killing Bin Laden".
The political spin begins...
Osama bin Laden deserved to be brought to justice for what he did, but he didn't kill for the sake of killing. He killed because he believed it was the right thing to do.
I was initially baffled at the choice of the WTC as a target, but after a while figured it out.
To him and his cronies, killing the people who worked in the WTC was no more evil than we thought of ourselves for killing the people who worked in the Baghdad telephone exchange at the start of the Gulf War. "Necessity", for some goal or the other.
Everyone can rationalize whatever they want to do.
Do American's ever pass up an opportunity to look like an ignorant asshat?
No: The plural of "American" is "Americans".
and celebrate this asshole's death. Good fucking riddance.
He deserved worse than he got, but I find it hard to outright celebrate any person's death, even when it's someone who deserved it and the world is a better place without them.
I also find it sobering that it took the superest-power that has ever existed 9-1/2 years to bring down the (possibly) most-wanted criminal ever.
And sobering - troubling - that there are thousands, possibly millions more out there who can rationalize to themselves that killing a few thousand people in pursuit of their ideological goals is acceptable.
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You know, if sufficiently motivated we could take this perpetual argument out of the realm of partisan/ideological interpretation by looking at the most recent budget and revenues, and comparing them item-by-item with ten years earlier, when people generally thought times were good. Then we'd know exactly what grew and what shrank, and could argue about who was responsible for them. (Though we'd probably still argue forever.)
I haven't studied it carefully, but the big changes seem to be (grouped by general area):
Probably more that aren't coming to mind right now...
Both parties have contributed to almost all of these, though perhaps not in equal measure.
And of course, the usual American political dialogue runs like this:
Political arguments tend to have about the same amount of substance as religious arguments.
He should have waited until 3 months before the election. The American public have a short term memory for achievements.
The miracle is that they have kept it quiet for a week.
We may be hearing it now because it was about to come out through other channels. Late Sunday night doesn't seem like a likely choice for high-positive-impact announcements from politicians.
Unless maybe they wanted to pump the Monday stock market.
Or maybe they rushed it out on Sunday to get maximal slope out of the inevitable contrast with the May 1, 2003 "Mission Accomplished" speech.
Uh...why is the US army engaged in ground operations near the capital of Pakistan?
Maybe it's not. Possibly a team was taken in for this specific mission, and back out when done.
Ironically, May 1 was the eighth anniversary of the original "Mission Accomplished" speech.
That's a gratuitous and unnecessary insult.
What harm have pigs ever done to you?
Gave me high cholesterol.
They want the same solution to run on all platforms. That's as reasonable as wanting the same tyre to fit a bike and a bus.
Shouldn't be any more a problem than other cross-platform software.
The biggest issue is whether this solicitation motivates anyone to develop it.