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Osama Bin Laden Reported Dead, Body In US Hands
Reader Tom Hudson, and now several others, have submitted the news that Osama Bin Laden is reportedly dead, and that his body is in the hands of the US military. A statement from President Obama is expected shortly. Watch this space for more details. Update: 05/02 04:01 GMT by T : More coverage at ABC News, at CNN, and at Al Jazeera. The reports say that Bin Laden was actually killed about a week ago by a bomb in Pakistan, and the time taken to confirm his identity via DNA testing helped delay the news. In downtown Austin, Texas, in the time since the story broke I've heard what sound like numerous celebratory gunshots.
bye bye bin.
Now let's bring 'em home.
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Right? RIGHT?!
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Right.
FML
I want to see a long form death certificate
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I would have thought that his death would be kept quiet to keep up the fear of a looming attack. Well, I was wrong.
(Perhaps he was really killed in 2002 and they waited this long to announce it?)
Palm trees and 8
Timely as ever.
Oh, wait, this isn't in reference to tonight's announcement, this is actually a reference to "Mission Accomplished"
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Here come the conspiracy theories.
Hell. Fucking. Yes.
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This article's a bit heavier on details:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/americas/reports-say-osama-bin-laden-dead-us-president-obama-to-speak-soon/article2006299/
Mr. bin Laden was killed at a mansion outside the Pakistani capital Islamabad, CNN reported. A senior U.S. counterterrorism official told Associated Press Mr. bin Laden was killed in a ground operation in Pakistan, not by a Predator drone. A senior Pakistani intelligence official confirmed that he was killed in Pakistan.
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Good.
Yeah, he's dead, but he's been dead for year.
As we wake up tomorrow, and nothing changes.
"People don't want to learn linux" hasn't been a valid excuse since '03.
He got him in less than three years. Good job bro, you did it. Now let's get the hell out of Afghanistan + Iraq and stop molesting our own people at the airport.
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FUCK YEAH!
Mazal Tov.
Enemy combatants and mass murderers don't warrant due process.
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Hey Republicans, this is what competence looks like. Would you please stop running assclowns for preznit now?
Remain calm! All is well!
no need to have wars in iraq and afghanistan now that America is safe.
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Weren't there multiple reports from credible sources that OBL was dead years ago?
I don't trust the media, but I trust the government even less.
Looks like Ron Paul will be vindicated in the 2012 election as his message of "bring the troops home" will resonate loud and clear.
Libertas in infinitum
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Nah, any examiner would request to see the body, do a fifteen minute test, and determine if he died last week or *nine years ago*. I'd put money on them "purposely letting him slide through the clutches" but I'm darn sure we'd have a federal referendum if they lied quite that blatantly for 9 years.
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Oh, he got his due.
For anyone else who missed the end of the Celebrity Apprentice because of the speech, Hope got fired.
Can we please forget this sad chapter in our history? Thousands and thousands have died, trillions spent, and liberties seemingly irrevocably lost.
I shed a tear and will not celebrate this at all
After all, It's what I was doing on 9/11...
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You think that's bad? Anwar al-Awlaki is the subject of an executive order ordering his death. He's also an American citizen.
Do you even lift?
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Scumbag Obama:
Talk about hope and change.
Continue and expand on Bush-era policies.
Palm trees and 8
I'm all for taking his ass out, but damn, you know they are about to fuck up some city, somewhere...
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based on this mission.
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Better put, people who shoot at you when you go to take them in for questioning don't warrant due process, the mission included bringing him back alive if circumstances allowed.
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This seems like a pretty solid example of "resisting arrest". Obama said there was a gunfight in the compound.
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Good ROI in that mission for them huh?
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Can't wait to see Palin claim credit for this, somehow, someway...
I mean, it's good that the asshole is dead but we need a(nother) flamewar on slashdot about it?
We would have found out if he had surrendered.
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Too bad we hadn't gotten him 10, or even better, 20 years ago.
Of course, if he'd been arrested the day after 9/11, tried in a civilian court, and sentenced to death, he'd still be sitting on death row now, and for years to come.
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Good ROI in that mission for them huh?
Yes, quite possibly.
now where is OSAMA?
The details will be interesting. He was reportedly killed in a mansion near Islamabad, Pakistan. That's the capital city. He hasn't been hiding out in the boonies.
Guess I shouldn't have been using an iPhone after all.
-OBL's ghost
can we go back to being america ?
The Far Right will still find some way to complain about this and slam Obama.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
There's no need for due process for enemies of the state. For your freedom-hating talk you shall be downmodded into oblivion.
Who gets the oil now?
Good News, Osama bin Laden dead at 54 I just heard some good news on talk radio - terrorist leader Osama bin Laden was found dead in his Islamabad home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.
My last day of work at the World Trade Center was September 10, 2001. I remember turning around, looking at a lone guitarist playing near that fountain with the Globe sculpture, it was a beautiful Monday night, around 9 pm. I had worked late, so I was going to show up late to work on Tuesday. I woke up to my phone ringing off the hook. I lost my job, but compared to what others lost, I lost nothing.
The people who died that day were liberal and conservative, but all were American. Bin Laden hated us all, just because we were American. So please, no political games here. This isn't about left and right, this is about a cowardly attack on all of us, as Americans. As a hardcore liberal, I embrace my fellow Americans who are conservative on this good news for us all.
Come together, as Americans, left and right, lose the useless political snark and sniping, and celebrate this asshole's death. Good fucking riddance.
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He got the same due process Hitler got.
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But thanks for showing the rest of the mooks they don't even know how to spell the bastard's name.
SO hiding in a mansion outside Pakistan!
It's like the mind going AWOL, it's there somewhere
Had to link to Faux News? They can't even spell his name right
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It disgusts me whenever someone says the world changed after 9-11 and we had to take the actions we took. Even If a 9-11 size event is the price of living with the civil liberties so precious to me, then I am willing to accept the risk of living in such a country. I would much rather draw straws every decade, knowing I could be one of the 3,000 of 3,000,000 that could die in exchange for not have to be under surveillance day and night; not have to submit to degrading, humiliating, and possibly dangerous search techniques at the airport and other public places; and not having to endure the myriad other abuses of my rights big and small, seen and unseen. But that scenario is far from reflective of reality. At least someone trading liberty for security got something in return; as so often is the case, we traded our liberties and got NOTHING in return.
The biggest mistake after 9-11 was not the action we took, it's that we took any international action at all. We'd be much safer today if we had, instead of launching more wars and imperialist action, turned inward and secured our homeland as best we could (knowing we will never be truly 100% safe, but striving to live in happiness and prosperity despite that), and divested ourselves in the very activities that draw such aggression: our foreign bases, support of Israel, and corporate controlled neo-colonialism.
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I'll take the other side and say it goes into an entry as "closure". There were only 2-3 "signature issues" for this whole War on Terror campaign - Saddam/Iraq and Bin Laden. BL was left hanging out there as deep unresolved tension driving this whole ugly crusade by .gov.
Now it's a democrat in office, with a year left in his term, and wherever you place the mission ops credit, he has put away the defining Republican meme of the decade.
So now cynicism says ".mil will keep its toys", but without the "But Bin Laden is out there" headline, the sound bites aren't nearly as good. "Be vigiliant". "Against who?" "Oh, some guy, we don't know yet".
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As a Canadian, serious congratulations are in order. It's good to know that my neighbour can spend that kind of money, time, and resources to get something done. Also as a Canadian, I hope your terrorists respond on your side of the border.
My family's spent the last hour wondering how this, and most of the war efforts, could possibly reduce the terrorist activity. Sure you've eliminated dictatorships, but those dictatorships were keeping their own people under control. Now, in democratic societies, those peoples will produce more anti-american terrorists. I share the american continant, so I'm none too happy about that. We're expecting a random bombing in the next week, somewhere in the world, crediting osama in order to discredit tonight's events.
It just doesn't seem like a solution. I hope I'm wrong.
But really, and I'm totally serious, honestly, good job. I know it wasn't easy, and I know it was important.
So they finally found him huh? Guess he shouldn't have gotten that iPhone.
there is an old story by art buchwald , he has a conversation that goes something like this
buchwald - "general, how can we prevent peace from breaking out?"
general - "well, thats just a risk we have to take. it could happen at any moment, and we have to be ready for it. "
I can't help but bring this article back up. It is very interesting that this happened so close to this event. I bet we will find out some more to this story in the coming days and maybe it all started with that "diplomat".
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as hard at it was, and 10 years that have past, it can and will start to be put to rest if we could to see the dead body...the media had no problem replaying the collapse over and over...we need to see him dead...
Want to see the bastard's head on a spike in Battery Park --this week--. Can someone make that happen, please?
Huh?
if the economy sucks he'll still lose. After all, the Republicans own the media, and with a weak economy they'll just swiftboat him.
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Hey, I am just glad that He was the one who since last August has personally overseen, analyzed intel, and, finally, authorized the strike which took Osama out. What a guy. And He is so humble about it.
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long after most Americans have forgotten why we went to war in the first place.
Pretty funny that you should talk about "forgetting", because then you say:
And of course we had to forget that most 9/11 hijackers were Saudis
Well you seem to have forgotten is that they were mostly Saudis - trained in Afghanistan, by Al Quidea.
Since that was where AQ was based, where the terrorists were trained, that was in fact the single best place to start in striking back and reducing the threat. I mean, here you seem to imply we should have attacked Saudi Arabia, even though there government there did not condone the terrorism. For a long time after we invaded Iraq there were cries in fact that we should ONLY be in Afghanistan. But you seem to have forgotten that too.
You seem to have forgotten we are not fighting the people of Afghanistan but AQ who has people based there, just as in Iraq for a time we were not fighting many Iraqis any more, but instead a coalition of AQ fighters from all over - including Syria and Saudi Arabia again.
Indeed your message about not forgetting is an important one, which is why I felt it necessary to provide historical fact over re-written sentiment.
Fighting terrorism now means having a TSA agent fondle you or getting photographed naked.
I hate the new rules too and think they are silly.
But to be fair, AQ has shown a fetish long after 9/11 of trying to work terrorism through planes, and so that is where the focus has been on protection. It's a matter of finding what is reasonable and what actually works, something I think they are a long way from yet. It's the right focus but totally the wrong technique.
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I find it very strange to cheer about somebody's death, but here I am.
It's pretty rare to find undiluted evil in the world, but he sure was it. I was in 5th grade at the time, in northeast NJ. We could see the towers from the top of the slide, and then just two pillars of smoke. Even though I was only 11, I knew damn sure what was going on and what it all meant.
And I'm damn glad he's dead. His organization continues, of course, but he wasn't exactly a figurehead either. I'm not going to speculate on the ramifications of this, because they're happening now and in the next few hours and days.
So good job to all involved. Truly a moment in history.
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And for the national debt, we can dismember his body and sell the pieces on ebay...
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As an foreigner to the United States of America looking into this whole miss over the last 10 years, while I congratulate the American's for bringing such a senseless murderer to justice I would like to pay my respect to the families of the countless thousands of Iraqi, Afganistan and fallen persons of this earth that brutally fell under the wretch of the Americans in their pursuit of justice.
As an Australian, I hope it was worth it. And I hope that the United States re-directs it's strength to now tirelessly restore international relations as throughout this whole mess the Americans have made more enemies then friends. It's now time to repair America and return it as a friend to this world.
Muammar Gaddafi sure got the the "abandon WMD" message when the U.S. invaded Iraq. I wonder if he'll take this as a message to relinquish control of Libya...
While Osama has been hard to track down, lower echolon leaders have been killed left and right. Didn't change a thing. Partly because the US managed to always find a way to kill a lot of civilians (by accident they claim) to fuel new hatred.
Thinking the death of Bin Laden will change anything is like thinking the death of Roosevelt in 1945 meant the end of WW2. (For those lacking in history, it didn't).
The world has changed massively after 9/11 but it also has continued to change. Take the current unrest in North Africa and the middle east. Ghaddafi (however you spell it) went from terrorist leader to friend to target in less then a decade. Now there are calls from the left to watch the bombings in Libya but ALSO to interfere in Syria... wtf? I am sure Israel is wondering just what the hell is going to happen next. Do you think it is an accident Hamas is changing its tune now its allies are burning from within?
If anything this shows how silly the idea of control is in the world. Bin Laden became a symbol but had little control. He achieved next to nothing. The uprising against the oppressors in muslim nations is instead against both religious AND secular leaders (Syria is secular, its Iranian ally is strongly religious) and the uprisings are both religious and secular. About the only prediction that stands is that nobody predicted any of this.
What will happen now Bin Laden is death? A symbol is dead but the things that made him a symbol are not. There is severe dissatisfaction in the world and people seem more ready then ever to use violence to made their dissatisfaction known. You might hail this is a fight for freedom or extremists wanting to force their view on the rest of the world, but the fact remains that right now more struggles are happening then in a long time in history.
A leader of a decade ago is dead, few will mourn him but he is a relic. There are new struggles to overcome. Iraq is still a mess, Afghanistan is a war zone. Pakistan is on the verge of collapse. North Korea is facing collapse and won't go queitly, Libya is in civil war. Syria is about to erupt in war. The list goes on and on. Wikileaks Assange has disappeared of the radar of news but that is still far from finished.
No, I don't think we can breath a sigh of relieve just yet.
And that in a way is a good thing. The world has NEVER been a safe place. Better we are aware of it not being safe and work to make it safe even if we make mistakes then to live in false security.
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Due process? I say we process his rotten corpse by sewing it up into the carcass of a pig. Fucker.
He's taking credit for getting Osama to release his death certificate...
174 comments and nobody's mentioned this, but what happened to the presumption of innocence?
I mean, a guy arrested at the scene of a mass shooting, covered in blood and holding an assault rifle, screaming about how the aliens in his head told him to murder all of mankind... still gets a trial. Timothy McVeigh (the second biggest terrorist to attack US soil) got a trial. People who systematically abduct and rape hundreds of little girls and hide their bodies in barrels get a trial.
If absolutely nothing else, now we'll never truly know if he really did it. Who the power behind him was. Who was sponsoring him, who was protecting him (aside from the obvious: Pakistan), who were his allies. Think of all he could know.
Action movies lie to you. Dead guys give zero intel and create martyrs. Killing him was, by a huge long away, out and out the worst way to handle it. Bring him in alive. See what he knows. Then put him in prison for the rest of his days.
This was a poor choice.
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Well, you are kidding me. I didn't expect this too happen. (SARCASM).
One of the CIA's top men, assassinated....and where? Apparently Osama was livin it up in a mansion in Pakistan....well...
IMAGINE THAT, THERE HE IS....
Meanwhile, the US has secured, Iraq, Libya, Egypt and Qatar's Oil interests by destabilizing the governments there, ejecting the puppets it had in place that didn't want to go along with AFRICOM.
BONUS!!!!--->AFRICOM has accomplished its secondary mission of driving out the Chinese over what amounts to 80 Billion dollar oil investment cutting them off.
(Secretly making good on its threats by the Western Cabal that if Chinese sold or discontinued buying US Treasuries they would pay the consequences.)
So, now they can go ahead with a central base in AFRICA..with ..how about that now, a Mediterranean port with strategic position of being in strking distance of AFRICA (Keep an Eye on those Chinese who are getting way to cozy in Africa....and the middle east...)
How nice.
On top of all that, the worst president in history needs a serious diversion before the states start calling out a militia.
(Not widely reported, but the USA is looking like a third world nation more every day. 1/3rd of children are expected to be on food stamps by the next election.)
But seriously, AFRICOM is now a go. Mission Accomplished. So, exactly what do we need Osama Bin Laden for any more?
He is now more of a political liability more than anything else back home.
(Oh by the way, I BET YOU the TSA will now be disbanded by Obama, further creating diversions from the Cabal that stole 18 Trillion from the USA pensions, state treasuries..etc. Besides, Chertov got his billions for all of the scanner machines as well as his network of cronies. They don't care now if they end up in a big scrap heap.)
So as far as I can tell, Mr. Bin Laden has outlived his usefulness. They obviously knew exactly where the guy was because he is and has been for the past 10 years a very ill man and could never survive very long without modern medical assistance.
Looks like he got some medical assistance of the nefarious kind courtesy of Obama, quick I need him killed to prevent massive unrest at home to boost my ratings....
This was all planned. It is so obvious it wouldn't even make a good soap opera.
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Which do you think will keep happening over the next few months, gas prices skyrocketing or Osama being killed?
Hint: One is an O(1) operation.
This will provide a nice morale boost for the nation but is not going to have lasting impact for Obama, who is now suffering through the effects of the policies he has put in place through his term in office.
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So for kicks I flipped the channel to Fox News, here's two things I noticed
1) they consistently report that the raid happened a week ago and the "U.S. has been waiting for DNA evidence that it really is Usama bin Laden"
2) they consistently report that the raid took place "on the outskirts of Islamabad, the capital of Pakistan"
Hearing the President's speech, I find no evidence for either of these, how can a news organization get the time and place of death wrong when the President announced it less than a hour ago?
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Looks like he gave plenty of credit where it was due, and being Commander-in-chief. It WAS his call.
Would you then also rate killing three grandchildren and a reformer son of a dictator as "Competence"?
Just because the military finally managed to finish something Bush started doesn't tell us much about Obama's abilities, contrasted with an action that Obama started and continues and the direct results we see from trying to run a war we dare not declare a war.
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Sorry? What exactly did Saddam and Iraq have to do with the 'War on Terror'? I mean, other than pissing off the fundamentalist Muslims even more than before.
I mean, a guy arrested at the scene of a mass shooting, covered in blood and holding an assault rifle, screaming about how the aliens in his head told him to murder all of mankind... still gets a trial.
Not if he's still shooting when the police, or anyone with a gun, arrive. Then he gets shot.
OBL and AQ were still planning other operations. Sometimes in the middle of action there is no time for trial. In a real war trials are madness, you cannot fight real bullets with lawyers not matter how many lawyers you have.
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Can we pick one way to spell Al Qaeda\Quaeda\Alqueda\Al Quidea? Please?
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Uh...why is the US army engaged in ground operations near the capital of Pakistan?
Because that is where Osama was.
Don't you recall what happened last time local forces were to capture or block his escape? Look up Tora Bora.
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"This momentous achievement marks a victory for America, for people who seek peace around the world, and for all those who lost loved ones on September 11, 2001. The fight against terror goes on, but tonight America has sent an unmistakable message: No matter how long it takes, justice will be done." - U.S. President George W. Bush 5/1/2011
He was aware that he was wanted for questioning. He opted to instead hide and shoot back. When the guys with the guns walk up and offer you due process, and you shoot at them, you've voluntarily waived your due process.
Or are you asserting that if someone has a warrant for your arrest, you get to just say "No, I won't come" and they'll apologize for inconveniencing you and wander off?
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I guess the US military took Seth Meyers' advice and tuned into C-Span between 4 and 5pm....
I was against/uneasy about the war in Afghanistan and completely against the war in Iraq, but I was always for a police / sf action against the Al Qaeda criminals.
Bin Laden got what he deserved.
Obama focused on the real problem and got results. Good for him.
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"They intend to change our values and way of life". Well, they have. Mission Accomplished indeed.
It isn't just a feel good thing, though there is that. It shows that if you are the kind of asshole that stands against civilization, that just wants to kill and create havoc, you'll be tracked down and dealt with. Bin Laden was very much a figurehead and as such there is a lot of symbolism to his death in a capture attempt, rather than of natural causes. It is sort of an extension of "nobody is above the law."
Also it will hurt the morale of those who follow his line of thinking. Figureheads are powerful things and his downfall will hurt their morale, their commitment.
Like you said, this won't be the end of anything, but for all that it is more than just nice, it is helpful. I look at his death the same way I look at McVeigh's capture/sentencing: It is a win for civilization. It is society saying "You cannot attack us and just get away with it. We WILL have justice."
Sorry? What exactly did Saddam and Iraq have to do with the 'War on Terror'? I mean, other than pissing off the fundamentalist Muslims even more than before.
It was started under the false premise that it was relevant to the War on Terror and the extremists responded. Our soldiers fought terrorists associated with the same terrorists who attacked us.
I can confirm both gunfire and fireworks in my local area. Regrettably, I don't have any fireworks on hand today. An oversight I intent to prevent on anniversaries of this event.
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Al Queda was not just at war with the west but with many Muslim nations as well. But it is NOT Al Queda (no matter what fox says) that is behind the overthrowing of the corrupt dictatorships in the middle east. Those uprisings have the potential to change the world far more then 9/11 ever did AND for the better. All 9/11 brought the Muslim world was Iraq and Afghanistan on fire and a spreading hatred of Muslims (imagine ten years ago it being MAINSTREAM policy in Europe to close the borders to immigrants AND have headscarf bans in effect or going through legislation in a lot of countries).
But in less then a year, peaceful protests mercilessly cut down by Muslims leaders have resulted in more change then we have seen in a long time and it is far from over. If Syria errupts (so far there seems to be no sign of armed resistance despite some soldiers having defected) then the turmoil is complete. Saudia Arabia and Iran are far from save then (Saudia has send troops to support an allied dictator in an other region, tying itself to the fate of said dictator, Iran uses Syria as a puppet to support Hamas in its push to destroy Israel).
This is changing the world. Without Syria, Iran stands very much alone, Hamas would lose its support (why do you think they have changed their tune so fast recently). Saudia Arabia might face some though questioning of not outright revolt... the middle east might never be the same. Of course, it could also turn very very bad (if you believe fox) but lets hope not shall we (so far Egypt is stable and shows no sign of sliding into a muslim extremist nation despite what fox claimed).
I think it is very significant that all of this happened without Al Queda at all. Bloody attacks, no change. Peaceful uprisings, the world may never be the same.
Bin Laden is dead, the path of Martin Luther King jr and Gandhi seem to get the best results. Who would have thought.
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the launch of the Space Shuttle was delayed yet again...
WTF? Why is this story on Slashdot? How is this news for nerds?
At least this isn't as bad as the Russian fairytale story that Timothy posted the other day.
> I bet that next we'll have a queer
Been there, done it, airbrushed his boyfriend "Miss Nancy" from the official US Archives a hundred years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan
In downtown Austin, Texas, in the time since the story broke I've heard what sound like numerous celebratory gunshots.
What better way to celebrate the death of a terrorist, than with a potentially deadly act of random violence!
Ah, so THAT'S where he was hiding!
That's if Mr spy with his recently printed Dr certificate doesn't do the examination, but what makes you so sure anything would happen if they were caught lying.
I did not have sexual relations with that woman.
We are invading Iraq because they have weapons of mass destruction.
Personally i think its perfectly likely that he evaded capture this long. I'm only surprised he didn't kill himself a while ago so the united states would spend an another trillion looking for him.
Rocket Surgeon.
Hitler and his lover suicided, you know. Several other captured nazi leaders were brought to trial, rather famously at Nuremberg, and there's no particular reason to believe Hitler wouldn't have been too if he had been captured alive.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. The USA has acted stupidly throughout this sorry debacle, and you guys are ripping yourselves apart from the inside, the saudis win in the end. All Empires must fall, and the American empire is apparently next.
Saddam Hussein didn't like Al Quidea - it's very, very unlikely that he would have had anything to do with them at all. AQ moved into Iraq filling the power vacuum when the government fell.
Dead Osama spam is already in your mail Bin, Laden with links to sites with drive-by exploits.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
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Hey, I am just glad that He was the one who since last August has personally overseen, analyzed intel, and, finally, authorized the strike which took Osama out. What a guy. And He is so humble about it.
Did you really just capitalize your self-referential pronoun in the same sentence as pronouns referring to Him? tsk tsk.
Per the announcement, it was in Abbottabad, which is nowhere near Islamabad. (It's near Peshawar.)
Abbott is the last name of the federal opposition leader in Australia.
If there is a Costelloabad or Turnbullabad anywhere the Liberal party (big L, they are conservatives) may be in serious trouble.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Nope, they sue you... of course.
First they found the flight recorder of Air France 447 on the bottom of the freaking ocean, and then they found Osama bin Laden. Are the planets in the solar system aligned or something? Now if only I could find my car keys...
Reports have confirmed that OBL wasn't actually killed during the gun fight. Infact OBL later had a heart attack during interrogation where they showed him pictures of female ankles.
The reality was that the president wanted personal revenge because he blamed Saddam for Daddy losing out on a second term ...
Uh, no, Ross Perot was to blame for that. :-) The Gulf War was popular and considered well executed. It was the economy that did Bush Sr in, not anything to do with the war. The revenge against Saddam angle would hypothetically be for the attempt to assassinate Bush Sr when he visited the middle east after his presidency.
The true reality of the situation was that Saddam tried to hide the fact that he no longer possessed WMD. He wanted others, in particular Iran, to think he may still have them. Saddam feared appearing weak. He admitted this under US interrogation. And no there was no water boarding, it was the effective type of interrogation - long term contact, establish a relationship, use psychology, etc. National Geographic had a pretty interesting documentary about Saddam's interrogation.
"Hey, where are my virgins? ...And what is Hitler doing with that pineapple?" - Osama Bin Laden
Why am I a dung beetle, exactly which elephants behind am I attached to.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
I bet Bin Laden regrets allowing his iPhone app to "use his current location".
Not my joke. Saw it on Yahoo. Had to share it.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
Young Georgie had to get revenge because Saddam made his daddy look bad
I do believe that stuffed with Chorizo and respectfully consigned to air burial is the corpse disposal method you're looking for. I'm all for the spirit of your post, but it would be a waste of good bacon.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
No, that was just a very enjoyable movie.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
If you think Osama bin Laden was anti-imperialist, you are ignorant, and possibly a fool. The desire of bin Laden's heart was to restore the Islamic Caliphate, an Islamic empire uniting church and state that would spread to govern the entire world. Bin Laden's goal would result in the exploitation of those very same poor and working class Arabs and Muslims you speak of, and lead to the most vile oppression of the People of the Book (Christians and Jews), and murders of others. He was a man of violence, an unclean man. Mao is dead and China prospers by rejecting his teachings. You seek the very things that bring misery and death. You are not wise.
Yet still the slashdot twitter feed remains caught in a timewarp....
Due process? I say we process his rotten corpse by sewing it up into the carcass of a pig. Fucker.
Fine with me.
Just please don't use the "bring him to justice" wording, it's hypocritical.
Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
Al Qaida did not move into Iraq. Very, very few fighters from Al Qaida or the Taliban operating in Afghanistan or Pakistan made it to Iraq to fight, since they already had infidels to fight. Abu Musab al-Zaraqi renamed his group "Al Qaida in Iraq" and had direct correspondence with Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri, but they quickly split due to ideological differences. Long story short, there is no current connection between the two groups "Al Qaida" and "Al Qaida in Iraq", and there hasn't been since 2006 at the latest. Be careful which term you use.
Alex Jones has been saying for at least 5 years now, that bin laden and al qaeda (translated properly: the database) is a CIA asset group to carry out operations directly for the CIA to dominate the planet. He also has said for over 5 years that Pakistan was where he was, and that the Pakistani government was knowingly safe-guarding him from US military combat as ordered to by the CIA.
Turns out the so-called "conspiracy nuts" have been right yet again, and this was a case of him being in the wrong place at the wrong time. A lack of coordination and communication perhaps. The only real question is who the next CIA-backed anti-american "terrorist" will be to execute the next attack that finally removes all our rights. It's time to wake up, World.
But the idea/ideology lives on working together with the free world to take away our rights in the name of securing us from that idea/ideology.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
in history.
If OBL really masterminded the 9-11 attacks, he achieved with a few men and card board cutters what the whole Wehrmacht, the Japanese Imperial Army, the USSR and the eastern block didn't achieve, to cripple the USA's economy and destroy it from within; and achieved it even when in that (in)famous interview with Robert Fisk he said how he would do so. Current USA is a shadow of its former shelf in economic and freedom terms, entangled in a expensive war in several fronts, and the Chinese busy making the Ocean Pacific a Chinese lake, one bit at a time.
Mexico: 100% conservative's America now!
Well.
Have you never seen middle eastern billboards / graffiti? Every suicide bomber is a "martyr" and is painted on the side of a building somewhere in the region. Many of them are painted all over the place. (particularly in Palestine)
I won't join Slashcott. OTOH, If Beta goes live, I just won't be back until it's fixed. Sorry Dice.
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What is more the funding can't come from Afganistan or Iraq or countries like this, as they really don't have the funds. Such money has to come from the rich aristocracies in the region such as the residents of Saudi Arabia, Libya, Korea. So what do in America? Buy cars and create energy policy where US citizens fund the states that are funding the people who want to kill US citizens. At current prices, the Saudis are making tens of dollar of profit on each barrel of oil, a percentage of that potentially is used to murder innocent citizens. And all we can do is say we have to drill more, coincidentally in areas that require high prices to support, which in turn support the mass killing of US citizens. Makes wonderful sense.
To be even less politically correct, I don't know where we get this idea that we could not fight a war in Afganistan, because the people there were not part of the problem. The people in Iraq were not part of the problem, but we certainly inconvenienced them. Afganistan was the training location, but to justify action in Iraq we created a fiction of special circumstances for the people in Afganistan. In fact the cowards in the US military, not all, but some, simply wanted the simple fight against the old and ill trained troops of Iraq instead of the more difficult fight in Afganistan. Distract the people with a good show, while leaving the fundamental problems for future generations to solve.
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
Well now the war on terror is over and USA will be finally be able to concentrate in other wars: Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Iran, Syria, third world depopulation and so on.
This seems like a pretty solid example of "resisting arrest". Obama said there was a gunfight in the compound.
He's just a victim of DWB --- Driving While Bin-Laden
Osama Bin-Laden - - Just another victim of profiling.
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
...preceded in death by Liberty, Logic, and Common Sense.
but I'm appalled by the delusion you US people have that Osama represented any danger, or that anything will be better or improve tomorrow.
It's the bogeyman MAKER that's the problem. The boogeyman is a distraction. What's next? Russians? Chinese? Mexicans!
It has to be mexicans. They're close, plenty, and lots have moustaches (evil!). They also have funny names and a dark skin color, so they're easy to spot.
I can see the fox news headline for the next 10 years: MEXICANS: HOW THEY WILL KILL US ALL.
# rm -vf /bin/laden
removed `/bin/laden'
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dragonhawk@iname.microsoft.com
I do not like Microsoft. Remove them from my email address.
"Osama found and killed after details of his location were stolen from the Playstation Network."
Throughout the years how many harmless sheep hearders were killed in the hunt simply because they kind of sort of looked like Osama?
In this OP his son and a woman used as a human shield also died.
Osama is a monster and the world is better off with him gone... I'm not sure celebrating a death in an action that cost others their lives would make me much better.
Proper way to make the announcement:
Dig a hole in the White House lawn, maybe in the helipad area. Get the White House press corps out there. Drag out the body, dressed in a pink bikini, and kick it into the hole. Obama sprinkles bacon bits, followed by a bag of genuine First Dog shit. Wait a week before adding the dirt on top.
"Tonight is a testament to the greatness of our country... we are reminded that America can do whatever we set our minds to." - Barack Obama.
Finding Bin Laden: 11/9/01 to 1/5/11, 9 years 8 months.
"First, I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to the earth" - John F Kennedy.
Putting a man on the moon: 25/5/61 to 20/7/69, 8 years and 2 months.
USA took longer to find Bin Laden than they took to put a man on the moon...
chmod +x /bin/laden /bin/laden
rm -f
So I remember the first WTC bombing inside the underground garage using white vans and explosives to try and knock out the support columns. I remember the pictures of workers coming out with black, soot covered mouths out of the buildings saying how everything shook for a second and then the evacuation down the dark stairwells with the black smoke billowing up into their faces and lungs.
I worked at WTC when the second bombings on 9/11 in 2001 happened but luckily I was coming to work late that day and was still at home when the phone call came about the plane crash into the building. I watched the second plane live on DirecTV satellite hit the second building realizing at that moment that it was not a terrible accident but a purposeful and planned attack, using planes as human guided missiles. Then I watched live as the buildings collapsed one after the other, due to the satellite feed and not over-the-air feed as that was cut due to the broadcast antenna that was on the WTC building.
My cubicle in WTC #4 little black building burned down to the ground with all my newly purchased and decorated demotivational posters and frames. I spent the next year at MFN on 8th Ave and 15th street rebuilding servers for the two datacenter floors that were lost during the attack. Then I lost my job a year later after all my hard work.
But in all of this I never felt hatred towards any of the terrorists, muslims, or Osama bin Laden even though I was slightly but directly affected by them.
I understood their view against America since as an immigrant I had a much different view of things than the kids who were born here. My grandmother said that America was paved with gold, but the reality was more sombering when we got here as we saw the exploitation of immigrants and native workers that happens here in the name of capitalism.
Even at this time as I spend my vacation in a country that hates America for bombing them and I see the damaged buildings downtown everytime I go there, I feel nothing about Osama bin Laden finally being pronounced dead. There is no joy in this event. It just shows that America will drive itself bankrupt to get revenge, like a mad dog choking on its collar.
People will celebrate this event and it will mark the end of one era and the start of another.
Now that the great boogey man is gone, how about America turning its focus upon itself to see what is wrong there?
The deficit is unsustainable, the spending out of control, the corporate money and lobbying power controlling the government, sending aid money overseas when there are local money problems, the millitary presence worldwide, the fight against the middle class, the trade imbalance with China, the energy crissis with oil, the dumbing down of education and our kids, the legalized corrption by corporations through other names, the polarization of our only two political parties, the erostion of our rights and the ammendments, the ever growing police and survailance state, and the spread of religious ignorance at home and abroad.
R.I.P Osama Bin Laden - World Hide And Go Seek Champion (2001 - 2011)
Carl Sagan quotes get you an automatic +5 on all posts.
The bailout was under BUSH. It was BUSH who said Wall Street had to be bailed out or everything would collapse. Congress panicked and voted for Bush's bailout because stock prices were going down faster than the lead MILF in a porn video.
Obama added to the deficit with his stimulus bill, which was largely hijacked by special interests, "thanks" to Congress. And it did help the economy get stumbling forward again, though not as much as it could have.
I assume this means I can bring my 64 oz. tube of Aquafresh on the plane next week.
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In chief, specific freedoms regarding privacy. Most of that weight is distributed across the Patriot Act and airport security measures. While I haven't heard a lot of complaining about the Patriot Act in quite some time, the what the TSA has been up to in the last two years or so could possibly be regarded as unreasonable search and seizure. Most of this goes unnoticed in the daily lives of a large swathe of the American population, but it's there, to be sure.
Learning about brewing beer, by brewing beer.
Your terrorism is invalid.
*devil's advocate*
Same result.
Every time I start to have faith in humanity, I ruin it by driving to work between 7 and 8 am.
I am a Muslim, and I'm so happy they finally nailed this creep.
He's killed thousands of Americans, including many Muslims in my community who worked in lower Manhattan. 9/11 even destroyed the local mosque at the Towers.
Bin Laden was never a Muslim leader, back in the 1990s Muslim leaders spoke out against him and called for his capture, after his involvement in bombing of US embassies. Even his "spiritual leader" told the press that Bin Laden is not qualified to speak for Islam and he had no training to make rulings or give fatwas.
God's gonna judge him, and I hope He gives Bin Laden what he deserves, for the misery he's put Muslims worldwide through, and for disgracing Islam and the millions of peaceful patriotic law-abiding American Muslims.
It is moments like this that I am reminded of the words of the great writers/filmmakers Parker & Stone, "America! Fuck Yeah!"
Another non-functioning site was "uncertainty.microsoft.com."
The purpose of that site was not known.
previous announcements on may 1 have been about the ending of some form of human terror, or the beginning of a new more insidious kind.
on May 1:
2010- the death of OBL announced.
2003 - Bush's "Mission Accomplished." speech
1961 – Fidel Castro, proclaims Cuba a socialist nation and abolishes elections
1956 – Public availability of The polio vaccine announced
1945- the anouncement of the death of Adolph Hitler.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
They were tracking him illegally downloading old Clash tunes on his iPhone.
Nothing at all.
The real question is why did you wait nearly a decade to question this?
If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits
Dammit, the birth-certificate distraction came a week too late.
thought obl died long ago, wasn't Benazir Bhutto capped for mentioning that on nightline.
How did he get away?
now the dirty gnu/hippy leader osama is dead Richard Stallman is now using an ipad.
So the iPhone location tracking actually works... Cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI
...do you really think the TSA's antics have anything to do with the 9/11 attacks? Other than using the attacks as an excuse.
Uh, yes.
It's security theater. It's an inept attempt to reassure a panicky populace with an emotion driven response. I really don't think the TSA wanted the headache. They would much rather pretend there wasn't a problem at all (sort of what they're doing anyways).
Wiretapping (etc) on the other hand, is a different ball game. There are arguments for FBI, border patrol, et al. wanting more power. I don't generally subscribe to such theories, but I'm sure there's at least some truth to it.
I won't join Slashcott. OTOH, If Beta goes live, I just won't be back until it's fixed. Sorry Dice.
the Bin Laden compound is on fire. I hope it was possible to recover some leads in the hunt for other AQ leaders before the blaze took hold.
Nullius in verba
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I suggest you open google earth and have another look,
Abbottabad is 50 k's north of Islamabad and 160 k's east of Peshawar
The rest of the world calls that near Islamabad (The rest of the world also calls you an idiot! Along with those who modded you up )
Is that /bin/laden or /usr/bin/laden?
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
In downtown Austin, Texas, in the time since the story broke I've heard what sound like numerous celebratory gunshots.
Sounds like you've never spent a Sunday night in Austin before.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
...to think who created Bin Laden?
Mod this sick puppy down.
Have you got your LWN subscription yet?
Was he American?
That is how it works. When McVeigh attacked American government property and killed innocent Americans, France didn't come in and catch him and try him. Why? Not because France thought that was ok but because it was America's justice to have. He committed crimes against the US, the US punished him for it.
Same deal with extradition treaties. If you commit a crime in France and then run to Germany, Germany does not try you for that crime if they catch you. They send you back to France, who then tries you since it is their justice to have.
You even see this within the US itself. If you commit a crime in or against a certain state, it is that state that will try you. You don't get tried by whatever state happens to find you, or by the federal government. You are tried by the appropriate jurisdiction for your crimes. Like the guy Jared Loughner who shot Gabrielle Giffords and others at a rally. He faces two different trials: The federal government will try him for the attempted murder of Giffords, the murder of the federal judge, and a couple of other crimes that, under the law, are against them. He also faces a trial by the State of Arizona for the murders of other citizens who were present.
So no, the US doesn't go after everyone in the world who is a terrorist trying to hurt civilization, they go after the ones who hurt them. Plenty of people could lay claim to wanting bin Laden, but the US certainly had a good claim, and they have the intelligence agencies and military to make good on that claim, it would appear.
oh i don't know, go ask some of the inmates of guantanamo
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
When is this 'news for geeks', or whatever? The whole world is going to know, why do I need to rad about it here? I'd prefer a specialized news-source.
I'm making a note here: huge success.
I'm sure there's a few people in London and Madrid that might disagree with you.
But the U.S. has remained the primary target the whole time, and the attacks against U.S interests (at home or abroad) have been very weak, with nothing really succeeding. The organization at its original strength would have had much more success with one or more of the past failed operations and they would have been much larger in scope and more orchestrated, like the original attacks.
You aren'y seriously going to claim the failed attempts are the stellar achievements of Homeland Security, right?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
1) In war, the same rules don't apply. There are rules, but they are different. For the "world rules of war" you can see the Geneva Conventions, though that doesn't cover everything and indeed fighters like bin Laden that do not wear a uniform and attempt to disguise themselves as civilians aren't covered by many of the protections. For more specific US rules you can see the Rules of Engagement. Regardless, wartime rules are different than peacetime rules. You don't have to agree with that idea, but you can't very well claim it isn't how it works, it has been that way in every nation for basically all of history and is codified in national and international law.
2) To get your chance at a fair trial, you have to not shoot the people that come to get you. Apparently there was a firefight and it was one that bin Laden and his people lost. You shoot at troops, or at police, they'll shoot back. They take the Malcom Renoylds advice to heart: "Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back!" This is true in the civilian/police world as well. If the police come to arrest you for a crime and you and your body guards open fire on them, they'll fire back. They'll then bring in more heavily armed police, and if you keep shooting, they'll eventually kill you. You want your fair trial you need to surrender.
You'll notice that Saddam Hussein did surrender to US forces when found and he was brought in alive. He was either unarmed or threw down his weapons and surrendered. Per the rules of war, he was then captured and not killed. He got his trial, which of course did not end well for him.
You can't honestly say that US troops should have just sat there, gotten shot, and not shot back can you? You really think that they could or should be given the order "Go in and capture everyone alive, no matter what. Doesn't matter how many of you die, no lethal force, just keep going in until they run out of bullets and you can take them alive." Hell no, if they got fired on, they had a right to fire back and the idea that you can shoot someone to knock the gun out of their hand is pure action movie BS. You shoot to kill.
I doubt it, given the 200+ year history of the US military
And then you proceed to give this link....
My short web search started here, which is where I would start reading if I was so inclined:
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
Note that includes, and is probably mostly, deaths from bombing attacks by suicide bombers. You say the military has been around 200+ years but with the period of daily car bombings suicide bombers have engaged in and the inordinate care the military takes not to harm civilians, I am pretty sure the suicide bombers are well in the lead at this point (over the U.S. military anyway).
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Interesting, so the US has ground troops in Pakistan, too? Shall we assume that they have both permission of the Pakistani government and the constitutional blessing of the US Congress for being at war in a FOURTH country...
The New York Times is reporting that the town Osama was found in is an affluent town near a large army base plus the country's military academy. Somehow I think we may not have given the Pakistani government much, if any, prior notice. There have been too many reports that some in the intelligence service and military are supporters or protectors of Osama. Our President could not risk another Tora Bora where locals decided to protect Osama rather than capture him.
"Abbottabad is home to a large Pakistani military base, a military academy of the Pakistani army, and a major hospital and other facilities that would could have served as support for Osama Bin Laden." http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/world/asia/osama-bin-laden-is-killed.html
I don't get this thinking by some post 9/11 that the standard terrorist operating procedure has somehow become "Hijack a plane"
It's not quite that focuses, but I DO get that they are still very much focused on planes - terrorists always have been for some reason.
There was the shoe bombing, the underwear bombing, and also the attempted package bombing, all involving planes.
Even though they could hit anywhere else and it makes little logical sense to focus so heavily on planes, that's apparently exactly what they are doing, hence our very heavy attention to security in that regard.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
American patriotism is just another type of terrorism. This was fight between two terrorist groups.
But ladies of USA keep being touched by TSA. That is what that lasts.
I know who's gonna get reelected now, no matter what the Alaska Yahoo sez or does....
I seriously doubt that the leaders are religious fanatics.
The beliefs of the leaders are totally irrelevant, since the FOLLOWERS are religious fanatics.
Remember it's the leader who is dead, so only the opinions of the followers matter. And as stated, they believe he has gone on to paradise so on the surface they will not care what you do to him.
But who will? Religious moderates thinking more of human dignity than religion, and those people would be angered by "wrapping him in bacon". That is exactly the kind of thing that makes the whole thing worse.
I say cremation and ashes sent into the sun, to literally send him to hell (and avoid any place on earth that could become a place of worship). Moderates can't really disagree with the sentiment and it could possibly un-nerve the followers.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
A flamewar? Am I blindly missing the dissenting opinions? Is anyone here arguing that he was a nice guy and we should have just let him go?
Never underestimate the anesthetic powers of self delusion.
will you concede that the iPhone tracking your location information is a big deal?
-dmanny
Great he's dead, now let's move on and start pumping money into the worlds more important issues!.. Like World Hunger!
1.3 Billion humans are living off of less than a dollar a day, and starvation kills someone every 4 seconds.
Poverty is the real root of terror!
About time! There are not many people that you can toast their death to but i am giddy right now. Fuck you bin landen. i hope you are suffering you goat fucker.
Don't want to spoil your cheering, but do you know how many civilians the USA milliary killed in the Iraq and in Afghanistan?
Also, that most of the people in the world think that the USA is the number one terrorist country of the world?
You invaded two countries because one terrorist organization blow up some airplanes and you hunt down people in other countries with drones, killing not only those people without any trial or jurisdiction but 100s of civilians as well.
The US just declared "war on terrorism" and take the step to kill non military people in other countries with the means of the military. What was earlier the duty of the CIA or FBI (aka civilian police) to hunt down criminals and terrorist and put them before a trial is now the duty of the army and soldiers to hunt them down and kill them all. There is a difference, the CIA and FBI don't have tanks, kill-drones and apache helicopter, but the army can use every means possible, even a nuclear bomb. The CIA and FBI have oversight with civilian trials but the army don't.
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Wait, did they kill skinny Osama or fat Osama? Or is this some entirely new Osama we haven't seen doctored video of?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDTEEXG3ge8
intelligent guys like you can post so much bullshit :(
Note to Slashdot editors: Take down the incorrect summary. Many news outlets are now giving detailed reporting that it was a U.S. raid on Sunday that saw bin Laden killed.
Now that the Big boss is dead, this means that U.S. can go back to being the land of the free and the home of the brave. Al-Quaeda will no longer invade our privacy in the intermidable airport checkpoints. Al-Qaeda will no longer be demanding we hand over our paperwork at various Al-Quaeda checkpoints. We will be free to not wear seat belts and talk on the cell phone while driving. We will be free from mind numbing smut pedaled to our children every night on the national television (no doubt Al-Quaeda propoganda). We will no longer having Al-Qaeda tapping our phone calls, and tracking our movements surreptitiously.
USians will realize that we are one big brotherhood of man, and not to be so fearful of our neighbors. Women will realize that not every white guy walking down the street want to rape you, despite what the television says.
-Ohh Wait. It isn't Al-Quaeda that is doing all those things, it is the USAian government, media complex that has convinced people to trade freedom for a little bit of money, and a lot of mind numbing 'security'.
Now I am confused. How is it that Al-Quaeda is the enemy of freedom?
-Also how can we as a nation consider ourselves the land of the 'free' and the home of the brave when we aren't even allowed to decide for ourselves if we should buckle our seat-belts. I know the simple matter of wearing a seat belt is entirely trivial in the face of war, but it is entirely endemic of the larger problem. The U.S. should stop calling itself freedom loving if everyone is always watching over each others back, making sure the other guy isn't getting away with something.
We need to start calling ourselves the 'America; land of the big house, two car garages, and very orderly tightly controlled society, that likes Gangstar rap, but doesn't like school or hard work'
...to kill Osama bin Laden. I don't think many U.S. officials would have given a damn whose sovereign toes were being stepped on to quite literally get a shot at Osama.
Perception is the thin dividing line between reality and fiction.
It's hardly fair to fuss over what they are wearing, when the US didn't even bother to declare war.
Obama said he authorized the mission a week ago. So Fox News is wrong on this count.
No they aren't. The U.S. has been waiting for DNA evidence. They went in a week ago sure it was him, but once he was dead they had to further verify without doubt they had him.
What exactly is wrong with the statement from Fox News in this regard? It seems perfectly accurate.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
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MSNBC just reported that the mansion was several times larger than any other building in the town, surrounded by a 15 foot wall topped with barbed wire, with a double gate, and no telephone wires connecting it to the outside. If that doesn't scream "hide out", nothing does. I'm thinking there were a lot of locals who knew and didn't care.
The NY Times is reporting that the town is also home to a large military base and a military academy for officers. So yeah, what were the local sympathies.
Their loss I guess, they missed out on that million dollar reward.
Is the Guantanamo detainee who gave up the courier eligible? :-)
Does that mean the TSA can go home, now?
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Can we do the Scurrying Rat theory and see who seems to try to slide into the successor position?
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But these people don't even look remotely like me, why should I care?
Don't bother, everyone's a hypocrite. Instead of showing the world that justice applies to all including the most heinous and evil of people, just killing him (and turning him into a martyr as well) is now justice according to the executive. It would have been much satisfying to have him go through a court and truly adhere our values and principles.
The principles of due process (even for Osama Bin Laden) are core principles is it not? Enemy combatant or not, we have international courts for such things as well. Our principles are truly tested in scenarios like this and frankly we took the easy way out. Sure he resisted but that was to be expected and I doubt the commander and chief ordered that strike with intentions of bringing him in alive.
Mind you, I'd be lying if I said the thought of automatic cannon fire ripping him to pieces didn't make me chuckle but as I said, everyone's a hypocrite.
Fine, here's a source. And another. And another. And another.
You all need to read TFA. Fox clearly reports USAMA bin Laden was killed, not Osama.
I see Fox News did a fantastic job on spelling in their link.
usama-bin-laden-dead-say-sources
almost 10 years and they didn't get it right.....sigh
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You're joking, but that's exactly how Russians do it. When they kill yet another high ranking Chechen "rebel" (funny how the same exact thing gets called a "rebel" in one case and a "terrorist" in another), they bury them in unmarked graves wrapped in pig skin, and let the fuckers know.
Fruit flies like a banana.
I respect your point of view. It's not going to stop me from tapping this keg.
Every death diminishes all mankind, but the death of a man who plots the death of others in every waking hour? It's a smaller loss. I am diminished less by the loss of him than by his presence. He is the person who lightens a room by leaving it.
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You know what I find most disturbing about this? The compound he was found in had NO INTERNET! That's just pure evil.
100k dead civilians in Iraq.
This death toll was predictable before going there.
The USA still went there.
To avenge 'just' 3k Americans.
No apologies, no sympathy, hardly even a word of acknowledgement for the Iraqi victims.
Yes, congratulations for 'winning' this war, USA. We're all really proud of you.
so emanuel goldstein, lets make a new one ...
do not mod me funny please.
check this out:
Osama was killed in a mansion, apparently built for him in 2005.
This mansion is near in Abbottabad, just 2 kms on a road to Pakistan Military Academy, which is like the West Point of Pakistan.
How much was Pakistan being funded again? for their cooperation? OMG!
On hindsight, wonder if all the high tech gadgetry is worth without some good old HUMAN INT :)
You haven't heard the complaining about the PATRIOT act because it's no longer politically advantageous for those who are the loudest. The TSA issue is still being linked to Bush as if Bush was running for a third term and there was going to be another election tomorrow.
However, the search and seizure issue has somewhat been hammered out with the courts in private enterprise being able to post notices and not violate any laws or rules when they search someone leaving or entering their premises. A crafty lawyer could probably convince the courts that this is different because the searches are mandated by the government and performed by government employees, but the reply to that is somewhat of a shell game in that government employees are used because they need the power of arrest and it's being performed at the request of the airlines. So it's really one of those splitting hairs things made popular by the meaning of the word is.
To surrender your rights you need only show up at the polling station and vote for one of the provided options.
To win back surrendered rights requires quite a bit more.
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I heard they tracked him down with that file on his iPhone...
He shouldn't have used his real information on the Playstation Network.
They'd have got him much sooner if he hadn't been waiting for a white iPhone.
Saddam Hussein didn't like Al Quidea - it's very, very unlikely that he would have had anything to do with them at all. AQ moved into Iraq filling the power vacuum when the government fell.
Nonsense.
Report Details Saddam's Terrorist Ties
Christopher Hitchens debates Iraq with Reagan Jr.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Right to a fair trial (Guantanamo detainees).
Right to privacy (wiretapping).
Right to travel (indiscriminate no-fly listing).
The right of congress, not the president, to declare war (Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists - congress' own damn fault for signing this one away, still illegal though).
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While I don't feel particularly sorry for Bin Laden, I'm bothered by the belief many Americans seem to have that they have a right to enforce their laws all over the world.
Sending a special ops team into a foreign country to "bring someone to justice" is kidnapping, and the victim of such an operation is in their rights to defend themselves - even if they're guilty of the original crime.
For the sake of argument, let's say my country, Sweden, decided to try a US military officer for war crimes. While the officer was visiting, say, Germany, Swedish police would sneak up to him and try to arrest him. He would refuse to come peacefully, there would be a firefight, and the officer would be killed.
Would you just shrug and say, "Well, our officer was offered due process and refused it, so it's his own fault for being shot"? Or would you claim that your officer has no obligation to bow to the justice of a foreign nation?
...you cannot fight real bullets with lawyers not matter how many lawyers you have.
But we can sure try! Maybe using all lawyers will work? Please?
Really? Being a Russian national, I hear quite a few things on what our counter-terrorist forces do, good and bad alike. I never heard of purposeful desecration in the way you describe. Basically, they draw the line at "bury them in unmarked graves".
My exception safety is -fno-exceptions.
Bush said that we couldn't look at threats in the world the same after 9/11 because these insignificant players looking for attention had killed 3000+ people in one day. Iraq was supposed to disarm, Saddam was claiming to be paying pensions to the families of suicide bombers in Israel. Saddam was claiming out of one side of his mouth that he had WMDs because he was afraid of neighboring countries invading Iraq and telling the UN he had none while refusing to let the inspectors do their job in the way they thought necessary.
What Saddam and Iraq had to do with the war on terror was when we shifted our focus from reaction to being proactive, he needed to be eliminated because he was more of a threat then Bin Ladan was prior to 9/11 and had a known connection to terrorist while claiming to have WMDs. And if Bin Laden got a hold of WMDs, the thought was that 9/11 would be minor in comparison.
So it wasn't anything Iraq an Saddam did directly, it was how we shifted out focus and approach after 9/11 that involved them in the war on terror.
. . . in Texas right now, by any chance, are you?
He was the alleged mastermind of the event that killed thousands of innocents. Even beyond 9/11, this asshole advocated the killing of innocent civilians, and his actions killed innocent men, women, children including the muslims he claimed to be defending.
His actions made the lives of millions across the world harder (you think you have it hard with the TSA) . Worst affected were muslims. 9/11 spawned to wars which killed hundreds of thousands (probably in the millions figure). He also destroyed the legitimacy of causes fighting to address genuine grievances of muslims.
Hopefully, his death can bring closure to the 9/11 chapter for the American people.
Although at face value this is good news...like the incidents happening in the middle-east, it makes the outlook for the future both hopeful and uncertain at the same time.
Maybe Bin Laden shouldn't have accepted his Royal Wedding invitation...
If you're not confused, you're not paying attention
rm -fr /bin/laden *
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Does that mean the boys can go home now? Oh, wait...
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So, it's over right? We won?
Well, I don't believe the body is still in US hands, unless we tied a few soldiers to him as we dropped him into the ocean. Keep up with the news, slashdot. Eh?
Excellent post.
You are asserting that the operation was without the permission of the local government. I haven't seen that assertion in the news, but the details are still sketchy at this point.
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The official story is that he is killed in a gunfight. That will be impossibel to verify. And even if it is verified, it is doubtful the real story will be published in this lifetime.
Taking him prinsoner would have complicated matters even more. Bringing him to US soil would have required absurd level of security. The 9/11 acts might be very hard to prove to bin laden. Sending him to a court would have given his political views a public view.
Since bush painted him public enemy nr 1. any American has no other option than to go after him. Not doing so would make you a communist^h^h^h^h^h terrorist cuddler. Stricly speaking this was not dedendable on international law. The US sees this different as a "war" on terrorism, that would place it on war rights, where it might be defendable.
Beside that don't forget the Guantanamo Bay is also only legal shaky ground, a lot more people are kept there, potentionally innocent. And the normal legal system might not pass as fair, with justice department making all kind of deals with criminals, and 90% of cases never to to court anyway.
It would have been much satisfying to have him go through a court and truly adhere our values and principles.
True but, unfortunately, he disagreed. He shot back.
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And put it in the Smithsonian!
allowing all those held with no evidence to be released? No, the US will keep its gulag and its TSA linea and its expanding wars. Bin Laden is dead, and so is the US.
Heard on the news on TV earlier that he has been buried at sea. I want to see proof that they actually did get him (weapons of mass destruction anyone?).
So, 10 years to find one man. One man who kept posting videos worldwide. Who was searched for by every allied nation for all that time. Whose face was in the news for almost all of that time. Who the US (and others) invaded several countries and occupied them for all that time "just" to find. Who had the top military and surveillance equipment used against them and had nothing close to bat back with. Who caused the US to break almost every humanitarian rule in the book (and is still to this day doing so) in order to find a trace of him.
Can hardly call that an achievement really. And even the "mission" to go and get him was the result of a tip-off (by a country with decent intelligence, perhaps) that resulted in one lost helicopter, three injured (presumably innocent) women, two other dead people (presumed combatants) and a hell of a lot of bullets and, ultimately, a death rather than a capture.
And then an incredibly hasty burial at sea (which will be almost impossible to locate, recover or verify anything that's been said). Of a guy that nobody's actually been able to conclusively verify was alive for, what, the past five years or so?
And that's *ONE* guy, who almost certainly has many thousands of followers who are the ones who actually sketched out the details of his vague "attack America" plans and executed them, and who almost certainly would have more than one person willing to replace them.
This isn't an achievement. Even in an "allied" country, I have lost vastly more rights, freedom, respect, honour and integrity just by having my country associated with this sham of a "war" than I ever had taken away by the terrorists, and we've committed far worse acts in our "retaliation" than were ever committed against us.
And nobody quite saw the irony of the US invading a country on the basis that a group that believed there was too much foreign influence in its own country decided to attack.
Nothing can condone 3000 innocent people dying. Even less can condone many more innocent people dying in sanctioned military action but being ignored just because they were born in the wrong country and happened to be in roughly the same country as the terrorists.
This is pretty good news, but I don't see why it's on Slashdot. Unless they tracked down his iPhone or used a cluster of ps3's to guide missiles to his villa.
'For we walk by faith, not by sight.' II Corinthians 5:7
He was staying in the midst of Pakistani Military, surrounded by Ex- Military personnel. Right next to their training Academy. Close to the capital city. In a really big mansion. with best security money can buy.
Any Ordinary citizen staying in a similar place would have raised red flags and would have been investigated by multiple agencies.
Was Osama's stay that well hidden from Pakistani security establishment? Or was he their guest?
Did he die in the firefight? Or did Pakistan make his death a pre-condition in order to allow the action by US(It seems strange that a 40 minutes operation did not result in a response from the nearby military)
The chopper with mechanical trouble which had to be destroyed.... What firepower did Osama's compound have to cause this kind of mechanical problems? and what were his neighbors doing while he was acquiring and installing this firepower?
Sorry? What exactly did Saddam and Iraq have to do with the 'War on Terror'? I mean, other than pissing off the fundamentalist Muslims even more than before.
It's all about pissing them off. They pissed us off by attacking WTC and The Pentagon, and by burning our flags so they have it coming.
We need to put Osama Bin Ladens body on display at Ground Zero where people can walk by and spit on him. When he's done there his remains should be fed to pigs, and whatever remains after that should be dumped in a sewer.
Now America will need to invent another 'enemy' to justify their imperialistic militarism, or maybe they will use this an excuse to re-allocate US forces to other Middle Eastern countries, and to steal the oil from there.
Bin Laden was never more than a pathetic mediocrity. The US government just happened to give Bin-Laden a very large amount of money to further his cause, simply because US foreign policy has always been brutally cynical, insane, and completely managed in the name of US interests, regardless of the human cost. I think the same would have resulted, had they given similar amounts of funding to anyone with such ridiculous religiosity. Funnily enough, America's leader at the time, George W Bush was also a religious lunatic, a mass murderer, used fear as the tool of his trade, and shared Bin Laden's sociopathic and maniacal tendencies. It is surprising the similarity that exists at the top of all truly bad regimes. I expect, as the US empire burns through its last few years, the regime in Washington may become even more insane. We only have to look at the range of Republican candidates that will replace the pathetic Obama, to see exactly what kind of horrifically insane creature may get installed next.
So Bin laden was found and killed because Sony leaked his personal details?
...Salman Rushdie is still alive!!!!! Bu-wah-hah-hah-hah!!!
> ground troops
Sounds like Jack's back: next stop Libya ;-)
I want to congratulate the U.S. for successfully following through with the 'You don't shit where you eat' strategy.
Finishing off 919,967 lives [http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html] outside of U.S., is a great retorsion for the killing of 2,752 inside of U.S. [http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-11/new-york-u-s-commemorate-sept-11-anniversary-with-ceremonies-protests.html].
The second headline in the Melbourne Age this afternoon - after the news of the death of OBL - was that the Australian dollar had hit a new high of $US1.1. IN September 2001 it was worth $US0.49. Says it all!
The people of a nation with a history of blatant human rights violations are taking to the streets in joy of their armed forces killing a man.
Gitmo, Gitmo, what a scare
We couldn't help it but make it generally a PR farce from the start anyway, for some reason. How many people are even aware that preparations were well under way by the time "the reasons" happened? (and nvm slight continuity problems and how the ultimatum was a farce, also how getting in the way of some investigations possibly made those events easier)
:) ...well, still not on the level of Reagan team hampering Iranian hostage release efforts), what we got is so much more palatable.
And all also good reasons to invade Pakistan (one of very few of our "allies" to quickly recognize Taliban gov; others being Kuwait and Saudis, IIRC) and label ISI as a terrorist organisation, for a start... Pakistani ISI which fought alongside the Taliban (the largest support going towards the only mujahidin faction eager to fight not only against the Soviets) against the Northern Alliance, greatly contributing to them being unable to hold Afghanistan.
But don't forget how, immediately after the "causes", "rumors" began that Iraq could have played a role... Or how opium production skyrocketed after the intervention. How the compromised ISI was again, also, quick to helpfully point out their enemies, for us to deal with.
How ideology is branded as an "organization", which can be obviously fought like any organization
Oh well, admittedly such subtleties just confuse people (and the farce of October surprise in 2004 was hilarious, with OBL tape clearly designed to make reelection easier
How many people now realize that bomber gap and missile gap were a fiction comparable to mine shaft gap? How many even heard about Team B?
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The US Government has spent so much time portraying him as the person ultimately responsible for 9/1 that there's no way he could've gotten a fair trial. I remember seeing a TV programme late at night on the BBC a few years back which sort-of implied that naming 'Al-Qaeda' and OBL was in some ways the best favour the US Government could've done for them. It gave discontent among muslims an organisation and a leader to follow, even if they would never have any direct contact.
Why is there 2 different stories going around?
One has it that Osama was killed last weekend (24th April), body buried at sea 1.5 days later.
According to Obama though, Osama was killed on the 1st May, (Obama apparently gave the ok for the operation just before he left to go to the royal wedding...).
Why were all those people outside the white house with flags ready to cheer so late at night when nobody knew about the operation to kill Osama until 3am gmt?
Exactly what is going on here?
Well, '"The real America is too weak to take on anyone except military midgets," ... why there is such hostility to such states as North Korea, Cuba, and Iraq, an underdeveloped country of 24 million exhausted by a decade of sanctions. ... "theatrical media coverage...must not blind us to a fundamental reality: the size of the opponent chosen by the US is the true indicator of its current power"', supposedly (via...)
And it's not even that relevant how accurate his predictions are. More how they are representative of perceptions. Also, telling how he was apparently branded as "anti-communist" and "anti-American" by essentially the same people...
One that hath name thou can not otter
"and the time taken to confirm his identity via DNA testing helped delay the news."
Yes, of course, that would be it! And then his 'body', which was never VIDEOED, was oh so conveniently 'buried at sea'! And you idiots believe this crap! How typical of the supposedly 'intelligent' Slashdot crowd to believe EVERYTHING the TV tells them! You idiots!
It's unlikely this is the first time said poster has asked that question.
Mr. President, they'd like their Peace Prize back. Now.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
He's not in US hands. He was quickly dumped into the ocean. DNA testing results 'due soon' and match was made using 'facial recognition' ---- pfffffffft.
There is no video after 2002 showing him in a clear way.
My assumption is that OBL was long dead before now, and it is just now that he isn't needed any more as a scapegoat.
Let's not forget that he shaked hands with the CIA back in the eighties.
Ok, here's the problem. Let's say that there actually was a successful raid which led to the killing of bin Laden.
First, the body was buried at sea, according to the US military, which means there's no proof he's actually dead. In other words, he's going to turn into the Elvis of Islamic terrorism. Either there is a conspiracy, and he's not dead, or conspiracy theorists will claim that he's still alive somewhere. We live in a world where (some) people believe that the President of the United States forged his own birth certificate with the collusion of the state of Hawaii; you think a 19-year-old terrorist recruit in Whatthefuckistan is gonna just take the word of the United States government that the leader of Al Qaeda was buried at sea?
Second, I guarantee that within two days a new bin Laden tape will be released. The guy had less value as a strategist than he did as a symbol, and I'll bet that there are pre-recorded tapes yet unreleased, and that there will be audio tapes with a "voice purported to be Osama bin Laden". Probably talking up Ayman al-Zawahiri as the operational leader of AQ.
Third, while there is potent symbolism for the West in killing bin Laden, keep in mind that he headed an organization which advocated suicide bombing as a tactic. Bin Laden's death is going to make him a martyr in the world of radical Islamic terror. While there may not be a single figure that can replace him right now, there are plenty of other affiliated groups, with plenty of other members, and a successful attack can be planned and carried out by an uncharismatic moron just as easily. For that matter, an unsuccessful attack can have a significant impact, too. Ask Richard Reed.
Fourth, to the West, this looks like the USA is still the baddest motherfucker around, and we always get our man. To people who live in Pakistan, the Middle East, and other, non-Western places, this looks like the only superpower in the world spent ten years and billions of dollars to kill one guy who pissed it off, in a campaign culminating in the use of clandestine intelligence and spec ops, in someone else's country. How's that for international diplomacy?
I'm not saying I'm sad the guy's dead, because I'm not. I think it's great. I just wish he'd gotten hit by a truck, or ate some bad dates or something. I have a strong feeling that this is not going to make our lives any easier.
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Because, of course, the US was innocent of stirring up insurrection in the middle east, and destroying societies there, feeding revolutionary groups and arming them, causing countless deaths over the years.
The terrorists did all this for no reason, with no view of history right?
And all that putting the body on display.. Wow, way to really make a martyr and begin a whole new level of conflict and death..
The idiocy of some, supposedly 'sane' people is quite frankly astounding.
Very little is black and white.. Just some incredibly stupid people seem to think they are, and set off bombs, kill people, and advocate stupid grandstanding.
At least those of the people imprisoned at Guantanamo and were later found to be innocent.
You seem to have forgotten that they were also trained in FLORIDA. The important thing is the people and organisation instead of going for an eye for an eye on the people next door to those responsible after they have already crossed the border.
We helped provide the AQ link to Iraq ourselves when they moved there to fight us - they did not manage to survive there apart from the times when Iraq was in chaos.
After all he did for us. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_a_Jersey_Thing
It would also need to be in accordance with local laws - if the Pakistani government gave their informal consent, in spite of the law, it's still a violation of Pakistani sovereignity.
I'm not familiar with Pakistani law, but I doubt it's completely legal to let a foreign special ops team into your country and let them do police work.
It's a damn shame that those forces (Navy Seals and CIA) do not get the $25 million reward or any other reward...
Hopefully they used bullets soaked in pig blood...
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet." General James Mattis
Guantanamo is the biggest threat. It demonstrates the USA has no regard for the rule of law, but the USA flexes muscle around the world. That makes the USA a target. Simple really. Obvious. Now get back to your six packs people.
I don't therefore I'm not.
President Obama found and killed Osama Bin Laden, something President Bush couldn't ( or wouldn't ) do with the same resources, eight years, a map and a flashlight.
Considering that it has been well established that Bin Laden died of kidney failure in a hospital years ago, this is just more propaganda to prop up the failed Liar-in-Chief Obama. No one but the brain-dead are buying it.
Time to get out the Champagne and celebrate. This doesn't bode well for Pakistan though.
You know, I feel a little dirty responding to what is so obviously a troll, but what the hell:
When you say, This guy was on the CIA payroll, well, there you're saying things that just aren't true. Bin Laden's group was never funded by the CIA (check the bottom of page three at that link, going on to page four). Why would they need CIA funding? Bin Laden himself was wealthy beyond the wildest dreams of any mujahideen. And given the money to the Afghan mujahideen was all routed through Pakistan, why would they give money to a Saudi? Etc., etc. The meme of "the CIA funded bin Laden!" is one of these things that's just so idiotic it doesn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny and yet the folk myth simply will not die.
If you want your political views to be taken seriously by people, I would suggest revising your evangelism. This kind of talk will not convince people to listen to you: it will convince people you should not be listened to.
How you got modded +5, I have no idea.
Good thing Obama took care of that whole Patriot Act thing...
So, 3000+ people of all nationalities are violently murdered in one of the most horrifying ways imaginable...
... and it's our fault? Seriously, that's what you just said there: while innocent people are leaping off the top of the World Trade Center because a quick suicide is preferable to death in a fire, while you're watching those bodies fall, on that very day, you said "you know what, it's our fault"?
You are not evil. You are sick. You need help, and I hope you get it.
And oh so bloody convenient. I'm with hairyfeet on this one, though we're never going to know as they quickly dumped the corpse at sea. I've long believed that he copped it pretty early on in the campaign. But announcing his death at that point would have muted the ire of public opinion, and that didn't suit the political aspirations of the war mongering neo loony right in US government at that time. Much better to have his ghostly presence live on as a target for public hatred. Now, with the coffers empty and US dollars needed at home to try and right the economy, and with continuing loss of US soldier lives, it's the right time to announce his death. Something the government had to do in order to claim victory. But there are no pictures; a body quickly and conveniently disposed of in such a manner that it can never be recovered, and no evidence that can be ratified by an independent third party. This whole scenario is a work of fiction, now that the US government have decided it's the right time to kill him off.
did you see a sign saying ''Dead Sand Nigger Storage'' ?
Regulatory capture, seriously a bigger threat to democratic processes than terrorism. Study it, learn it, oppose it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture
Both had/were Weapons of Mass Distraction.
If you guys hadn't trained him in the first place.
Without photographs of his naked body, we can never attain release on this issue.
Didn't see anyone mentioned this on Slashdot but it may be of interest. According to http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/05/osama_bin_laden_dead.html
After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body." In order to confirm that the body was, in fact, Bin Laden, U.S. officials subpoenaed DNA from Bin Laden's sister (who had died in a Boston hospital) and found a match. All told, the operation took around 40 minutes to complete.
So the DNA used to compare is not Osama's DNA. Makes you wonder if they killed Bin Laden or one of his many relatives ... If they had to do DNA testing, it suggests his body was in a state that an easier method, such as fingerprint, was not available. Can someone more knowledgeable comment on this? How easy is it to fool DNA testing with another family member DNA?
Ok, this guy deserved to die? Hell yeah but shouldn't he be captured and brought to justice to stand trial? I mean, the USA didn't even try to say "We tried to capture him but he was killed during the firefight". The idea was hunt and kill. Where is the famous due process?
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Too bad they buried him at sea. Personally, I think a more fitting end would have been to feed his remains to pigs. That would have been the proper burial for this filthy piece of sh*t...
The twitter feed from his ghost is better: http://twitter.com/#!/ghostosama
Another thing to add to the long list of "Things that took less time than Duke Nukem Forever".
Habeus corpus, for one. Yes, it's still there, but now you've been accused of terrorism or any violation with national security implications. There's the whole unreasonable searches thing (the drug war has assisted in it's demise). Free speech is now more limited (see free speech zones). Eminent domain is now a tool for business, not just to make roads and the like.
SSC
"What do you mean, I can't remove the battery from my new iPhone?"
Finally. after 10 years he is gone.
The interest generated in this report surely will test the capacity of the major new sites, and probably the internet infrastructure to some extent. Wonder what the load will be in comparison to say, the death of Michael Jackson? Will the IPv4 address space problem get amplified because of Osama?
"The reports say that Bin Laden was actually killed about a week ago by a bomb in Pakistan,"
Not correct. When I was watching the coverage of this last night the only channel I saw that was making this erroneous claim was Fox News. Might want to improve your sources there timothy.
Burial at sea? Are you fucking kidding me? I wanted my chance to poke him with a sharp, bacon covered stick :(
Anonymous Coward says it all.
Sorry, but gray text on gray background is making my eyes bleed.
Checkout this one: http://eu.techcrunch.com/2011/05/02/heres-the-guy-who-unwittingly-live-tweeted-the-raid-on-bin-laden/
The freedom to not have a fucking NIGGER president, that's what. I bet that next we'll have a queer or some weird shit and say that it's for "diversity" and "multiculturalism". But just what the fuck would you know, you pansy foreign faggot. Get the fuck off Slashdot.
Wahahaha!
Would you say that you have any prejudices?
Thanks for the laugh, you should be watching the Fox protaganda channel, cleaning your gun and drinking a Bud Light. Not playing the white trash bigot on Slashdot.
BTW, the freedoms you have lost include the right to privacy, any privacy, the right to be protected by and from the government, the tight to a speedy trial, or any trial at all, the right to free assembly, etc, etc, etc. All things that are granted to you in the constitution. And all things that Corporations have had granted to them as citizens who have more rights that you do, and through their new found right to anonymously donate as much as they want to political parties, now own your government.
Yeah, you go clean your gun while you still have one. You're gonna need it.
(I know, he's a troll, sorry.)
I couldn't find any reference to this in any of the linked articles, so I'm wondering where the claim came from.
An Abbottabad resident is being credited for inadvertently liveblogging the event as it happened, and his first reference to a helicopter flying over the suburb was 16 hours ago.
So either the claim that Bin Laden died a week ago is false, or the helicopter was brought down in a separate incident. Or the 'liveblog' is a rather elaborate hoax.
rm -f /bin/laden
What the hell? They forgot to add a -r option as in
\rm -rf /bin/laden
Now we have to manually delete al Zawahiri and then the next one in line and then the next ....
Atleast they seem to have unset noclobber
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
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Iraq's oil money made it possible for Saddam Hussein to compensate the families of suicide bombers US$25,000:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/03/25/1017004766310.html
Cutting off that funding helped to reduce the number of ``martyrs''.
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... long form death certificate.
I'm glad the SOB is dead, but think about this. 1. This happened in a country NOT friendly to the United States. 2. We didn't tell this country we were going to mount a military operation in their country. 3. This happened a week ago, people in the area heard the explosions, saw the helicopter(s). 4. Al Jazera said NOTHING about a military operation inside Pakistan? Like I said, I could care less as long as the SOB is dead, but think about it.
Reminds me of this: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.asp
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
I have often wondered the practical reasoning behind such prohibitions on pork in ancient Mesopotamia. The Torah also contains such restrictions on pork consumption in addition to other hygienic considerations. That is assuming hygiene is the reason. Now , however, it is blended into an anomalous religious requirement handed down by God.
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"bury them in unmarked graves"
After seeing what modern weaponry will do to the human body, I'd bet it was one person to many graves.
They say the Navy submitted his body to sea. My guess is that was a polite and politically correct way of them saying "damn, this pork soupy mess is starting to smell like fish. Dump this chum overboard. Yes sir, no problem sir... *splash*"
Life is not for the lazy.
It was only a "symbolic victory": 'Qais Azimy, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Kabul, said Afghan officials described bin Laden's killing as a "symbolic victory", since he was no longer directly connected to the group's field operations. '
The endless war, paid for the by the U.S. taxpayer, for the benefit of weapons investors like the Bush and Cheney families, will continue.
174 comments and nobody's mentioned this, but what happened to the presumption of innocence?
I mean, a guy arrested at the scene of a mass shooting, covered in blood and holding an assault rifle, screaming about how the aliens in his head told him to murder all of mankind... still gets a trial. Timothy McVeigh (the second biggest terrorist to attack US soil) got a trial. People who systematically abduct and rape hundreds of little girls and hide their bodies in barrels get a trial.
If absolutely nothing else, now we'll never truly know if he really did it. Who the power behind him was. Who was sponsoring him, who was protecting him (aside from the obvious: Pakistan), who were his allies. Think of all he could know.
Action movies lie to you. Dead guys give zero intel and create martyrs. Killing him was, by a huge long away, out and out the worst way to handle it. Bring him in alive. See what he knows. Then put him in prison for the rest of his days.
This was a poor choice.
Capturing him alive, taking him to court (or even waterboarding him in a secret prison) was just not possible. He would not have let himself be taken alive, Islam's prohibition of suicide notwithstanding.
“Let me -- you are talking about a hypothetical that will never occur. The reality is that we will be reading Miranda rights to the corpse of Osama bin Laden. He will never appear in an American courtroom. That’s a reality,”
-- US Attorney General Eric Holder, March 16, 2010, in testimony before Congress.
There are plenty of millionaire Congressmen and contractors who get paychecks from the Treasury, and are thus "funded" by the US government--even the owners of Saudi Arabia used to get billions in "aid". Whether bin Laden was employed, trained, or equipped by the CIA is question that can never have a satisfactory negative answer because of government secrecy.
Is there actually an enumerated right to privacy in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights? Don't get me wrong, I whole-heartedly agree with you; but I think the closest the framers got to actually writing in a privacy was in the form of limiting powers of search and siezure.
They were damn smart guys, and much of their work is still admirable 225 years later, but I don't think they could forsee the telegraph, telephone, wireless networks, or the Internet. They did, however, see the effects of the maniacal empowered executive, and tried to limit it wherever they could.
That was worth the 1.2 trillion dollar we have spent so far on the war on terror.
The guy took credit for the Sept 11 attacks. For 9 years. That sounds like a guilty plea to me. You don't get a trial if you plead guilty.
Unfortunately, they will need more than the news that he was buried at sea and some photos that have not been published immediately after the fact to convince the world that he is dead.
Well here it is, ladies and gentlemen. Ten years later and I get the same feelings again. No, not patriotic fervor, but a feeling of utter dread and confusion. Why is there a crowd of people gathering on the whitehouse lawn cheering "USA?" Why is this being construed as a "victory" in a "war?" Why do we still have forces in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan?
How, might I ask, did a criminal act (though an extremely potent criminal act, I must admit) get turned into a catalyst for insane nationalism? It was misconstrued as an "attack on America," and we were treated and brainwashed by hysterical propaganda designed precisely to unite us in support of costly, pointless foreign wars. Osama bin laden did not "attack" anything. He set up an international criminal organization and pulled of a terrible crime. He pulled off several. In many countries. Sure, he was doing this for political/ideological reasons, but so was Timothy Mcveigh, and the Unabomber. Did the Unabomber "attack us?" Why wasn't there a "war on terror" when Timothy Mcveigh blew up a government building? Is it because he was a white, Christian American? Why didn't we unite in flag-waving awe when Osama tried to blow up the world trade center the very first time? Was it just because he wasn't successful that time?
Folks, we've been duped. We let our rhetoric turn an event into something it never was. There should have been no "war on terror," Osama shouldn't have been killed by US forces in Pakistan, but arrested by the CIA or some other foreign law enforcement agency and put on trial in some suitable, neutral Arab country. The USA should have never invaded Afghanistan or Iraq. It should not have conducted military operations in Pakistan, nor killed "extremists" there with drones. This has been a massive, unbelievably terrible series of diplomatic blunders on the USA's part, and we just made another one. Good grief.
That reminds me of a cutscene from an episode of Family Guy where a terrorist (not sure if it was Bin Laden in particular) shows up at the Pearly Gates, and is introduced to 72 guys at their computers talking about Magic The Gathering.
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
I knew you would come up with BS like this. Are there any US citizens held in Guantanamo? Wiretapping has been a tool of law enforcement ever since the telephone was invented. The law requires a warrant in most cases but there are exceptions. Nothing is absolute. I have not heard of one case where someone accused of a crime through the use of illegal wiretaps has been convicted. Back in the early 40's FDR ignored an express declaration from Congress to not allow wiretapping to investigate suspected foreign government agents. He promptly wrote a memo to the Justice department directing them to use the taps anyway and they did. The constitution and our laws are not suicide pacts. I think the US actions over the past 10 years has been an effort to demonstrate this fact. FDR also blatantly violated the neutrality declaration Congress issued becuase he thought the protection of the country was more important. I saw a documentary where they asked Presidents Carter, Bush 1, Clinton , and Bush 2 what they thought of FDR's actions and they all agreed he did the right thing and they would have done the same thing if they had to no matter the cost to them politically. FDR came within a hair of being impeached. Even Carter supported this! Look at FDR's actions and then look at his legacy today as an example of a President putting the countries safety ahead of the waffling politicians who are more intent on winning elections than they are of actually serving those who elect them. The law enforcement agencies may violate this rule but the court system and it's remedies are in place to provide a second firewall. No-fly lists have been used since the 70's. Remember terrorists had a fetish for airplane attacks throughout the 70's. The system has been updated to take into consideration the nature of the threats today. The "right to fly" is not a human right. If there was a plane hijacking the first thing people scream is why didn't the government do anything to prevent it. When the government actually makes an effort in this direction they get non-ending complaints. People want perfect protection but don't want to do anything to actually prevent it. The President has always had the ability to initiate conflicts and there are provisions in our government that these types of situations apply to. So I will ask the question again, what rights as a US citizen have I lost?
"One helicopter suffered a "hard landing" inside the compound after experiencing a mechanical failure and had to be destroyed on the site, according to one defense official."
I'm pretty sure that is just a pretty way of saying that it crashed...safely.
Also I love how this sounds: "He said a “small team” of Americans went after bin Laden in Abbottabad on Sunday. “After a firefight, they killed Usama bin Laden and took custody of his body,” the president said."
10$ says that's a movie!
BS. You are free to speak and protest anything you like any where you like. These free speech zones are setup to make sure that organized protests do not obstruct the actions being protested. The people being protested against have the same right as those doing the protesting. You say "habeus corpus" is gone and then turn right around and admit it is still there. How do you reconcile your complaints using totally false statements that you yourself admit are false? Eminient domain has been around since the county was founded so if you have a problem with it go protest against it but don't try and associate it with losing your "rights".
If he's only "effectively" dead - e.g. in a secret cell deep underground, being interrogated for intelligence.
He's *probably* dead. They are probably telling the truth. But I wouldn't be too upset if they were lying this once, and had actually captured him, and simply didn't want the world to *know* they captured him.
"In downtown Austin, Texas, in the time since the story broke I've heard what sound like numerous celebratory gunshots."
Cuz it aint official until Texas says so...
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Not to award prizes to someone *before* they've actually done anything? They gave the Peace Prize to him based on what they thought he *would* do, not based on anything he'd actually *done*.
That defies all reason.
That said, if it's true, I'm glad that justice has been done and a mass murderer is dead. I can't hold that against Obama.
because right now, since he was dumped at sea, they are probably feasting on him:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2067970&cid=35707738
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He achieved next to nothing. The uprising against the oppressors in muslim nations is instead against both religious AND secular leaders
What makes you think that uprising against both religious AND secular oppressors disappointed bin Laden? AFAIK he was not happy about the Saudi royal family that were secular leaders in a country with a shariah (muslim) rule.
lIt's a matter of finding what is reasonable and what actually works, something I think they are a long way from yet. It's the right focus but totally the wrong technique.
I would argue it is in fact the wrong focus. It is focusing on millions of innocent travelers. Lets put it another way. With all the bomb detecting and gun detecting technology employed, how many terrorists were caught... ever? How many terrorist bombs were detected?... ever?
zero.
Of the terrorist that were actually stopped, it was done by passengers!
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He calls it a "freedom kiss"
There are a few. And if you have to ask, you haven't been paying attention. But just to name one, the right to be secure in our persons and effects. It is now legal for the government to eavesdrop on our conversations without a warrant, and for the FBI to sneak-and-peek your house without notice. I'll cite the loss of freedom of association as well, since even talking to a group considered a terrorist organization is now a crime. So there's two. There are others. Maybe other folks can chime in with their favorites.
Oh hell, ok, one more. If the FBI asks for your information from a business or other party, that party can't tell you it's been done. So there's freedom of speech being abridged as well.
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
because staying neutral means supporting the evil side. ... when I see the street pictures of women wearing burkas I MUST take sides against evil
And in US you would be put behind bars for just carrying with you a few kilogram of that special grass. Grass, I mind you! Which is even perfectly legal in Holland, also a democratic and educated country.
I do not have time to look for a better quote, but here you are just for the sake of argument:
In practice, these mandatory minimum laws have put thousands of non-violent drug offenders behind bars for years longer than violent and dangerous criminals are incarcerated. The average length of incarceration for a first time offender is between one and three years, which is greater than the punishment many violent and truly dangerous criminals receive. Many argue that this is an outrageous injustice in our criminal system.
According to government estimates, more than half of all federal prisoners are drug trafficking or drug-related offenders.
http://www.criminal-law-lawyer-source.com/terms/drug.html
Al he wanted was a Pepsi.... just one Pepsi... and you wouldn't give it to him
He was the one who said that bin Laden should be killed, not taken into custody. As Truman said, "The buck stops here." He made the call.
http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCATRE74107920110502?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
Members of an elite Navy Seals team dropped by helicopter to the compound were under orders to kill not capture bin Laden, who had eluded U.S. forces for 13 years, a senior U.S. security official told Reuters.
"This was a kill operation," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
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Because a trial would attract a lot of attention - and Mr. Bin Laden might have told the world stories the US would not like to see on Wikileaks.
You mean Stalin right? Lenin was dead before the Cold War started.
I know everyone may believe that Osama was behind al Qaeda and directly ordered all of the attacks. However, i would like to remind everyone of something. /n
This Is The United States of America that killed him. /n
Here in the US we are supposed to be Innocent until proven guilty in a Court Of Law. I don't remember a trial of any kind. Do the "Terrorist's" deserve the presumption of innocence that the US constitution guarantees? That seems to be the argument surrounding Guantanamo. Should the US have killed Osama bin Laden without a trial? /n
My answer is no. I say that because it shows that the US government is demonstrating that the laws of the country do not apply to them. The US government(and likely alot of other governments around the world) all claim that they have proof of Osama bin Laden's role in al Qaeda, but the trial by public opinion is not a trial by LAW. /n
Before you moderate against me i would like to point out something. How many times....well lets narrow it down a little.... How many times since 9/11 has the US government be caught deceiving the people of the world. 10 times? 20 times? 100 times?
You seem to misunderstand something about my response. I don't care about FDR. I care about what freedoms, guaranteed by the constitution, where taken away. You know, the question you asked me...?
With regards to Guantanamo, the issue is not whether there are US citizens, but whether the right to a fair trial has been taken from a US citizen. People held in Guantanamo and similar related "legal basis", have no means or rights to even claim citizen-ship. You could be picked up tomorrow, and you would have no discouse - no right to habeas corpus - no right to a fair trial.
I am aware that wiretapping is a useful tool for law enforcement. It is also something for which you need a warrant. Wiretapping without a warrant is an illegal breach of the right to privacy. Whether anyone has been convicted, or those recording have even been used in court, is entirely irrelevant.
No-fly lists are fine, as long as they are made as part of a judgement passed on an individual, or imposed on foreign nations or groups as part of a proper legal process. The no-fly lists hinder American citizens from travelling, with no proper basis in law. While there is no right to fly in natural philosophy or the united states constitution, the right to move and assemble freely is pretty well recognized. Of course you cannot disallow a primary mode of transportation without just cause - someone having the same name as someone else, who may or may not once have met someone accused of being a terrorist is not a convincing reason...
Regarding the right to declare war ("The President has always had the ability to initiate conflicts"), then I am pretty sure that when Congress alone was given the right to declare war, signing over that power to the president for fighting some hardly-nspecified enemy was not part of the deal. Congress can declare war, and they cannot hand over that power to the President, the postal office or you and me. They did, and that took away the right of the citizenry to decide on a case-by-case-basis, through their legislative representatives, whether they would go to war or not.
I have a question, btw:
> The constitution and our laws are not suicide pacts.
I have some problems parsing this; does this mean that the constitution is not set in stone and that sometimes it is OK to just disregard it? Does it mean that you do not even believe that there is such a thing as freedoms guaranteed, but rather freedoms suggested? Or what exactly are you saying about the law, here? That it should be waived whenever someone is in office you really agree with, or you feel we are not safe enough?
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Until now, most of the public has suspected that Osama was 'hiding' inside Pakistan. OK, someone in the Northwest Territories was keeping him in a hut in some small village. Without the knowledge of the Pakistani gov't. But now the secret is out. No way is a large compound built to house 'someone' without Pakistan's intelligence service looking the other way.
Its going to be pretty difficult for Zardari to deny the complicity of his security forces in concealing bin Laden. And that could lead to political instability in the country. A country with nuclear weapons.
Have gnu, will travel.
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Its amusing that I heard about this first from Slashdot before any other news source.
So can I stop undressing and getting sexually assaulted at the airport now?
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Is there actually an enumerated right to privacy in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights? Don't get me wrong, I whole-heartedly agree with you; but I think the closest the framers got to actually writing in a privacy was in the form of limiting powers of search and siezure.
You're right, of course. And the courts (Katz v. United States - 1967), and common sense, has agreed that search and seizure extends to conversations - recording one counts a search. Hence, there is an implied right to privacy, now based on case law.
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I don't know where you get your information from, but I get my information from personal experience, we don't have much of a First Amendment left in New York City under Mayor Bloomberg:
(1) I went on a demonstration against the upcoming war in Iraq. The City was letting music performances go on the Great Lawn in Central Park. We requested to have a rally on the Great Lawn, the only place in NYC that was big enough. The City refused, using their traditional BS excuse that it would harm the grass. (Jimmy Breslin, the last great newspaper reporter, called up the groundskeeper at the country's biggest lawn, in Kentucky, and asked him if the lawn would take it. The groundskeeper said no problem, he has crowds like that all the time.) So we couldn't have the rally.
(2) Then we had a demonstration against the Republican Party convention. Bloomberg routed us up Fifth Avenue, past the New York Public Library. At the library, the cops attacked some innocent people, including some bystanders, and charged them with attacking an officer, a felony. They wanted to pull that old stunt about charging them with a felony, and offering them a choice between pleading guilty to a misdemeanor, or going to jail on a felony if they tried to exercise their right to a fair trial and fight the false charges. Then it turned out that the cops had videotaped the arrests, and the videotapes showed that the accused were actually doing nothing wrong, and the cops made an unprovoked attack and swore to false charges. Oops. Charges dismissed, but the cops weren't prosecuted for perjury.
(3) ... I could go on, but what's the point? You'll have a bullshit answer for everything. The "Free Speech Zones" in Boston during the Democratic Party convention, where the cops offered the demonstrators a park surrounded by barbed wire, where nobody could see or hear them. Amy Goodman's arrest in Chicago. "Bong hits for Jesus."
Don't try to get me to support your favorite cause, eminent domain. Go complain to the Republicans about that yourself.
http://kb.f-con.us/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=95843
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Uhm... Muslim terrorist groups regularly split, reform, reconsolidate, split again.
In other words, SPLITTERS!.
The underlying reality, however, is that it's mostly an alphabet-soup shell game to confuse the kafir. You want a cease-fire to negotiate with the PLO? No problem. While the PLO is negotiating, the PFLP will be the ones on terrorist duty. PFLP ran out of missiles? "Temporary truce" while Hamas takes over. Hamas getting too much heat in Gaza? No problem, the "Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades" and "Palestinian Resistance Committees" and "Palestinian Islamic Jihad" are all waiting to take over.
There are similar front groups backed by the Iranians all over the place, who argue with the Muslim Brotherhood front groups, who argue with the Al Qaeda "allied" groups. The only thing they all seem to agree on is the idea that Islam has some right to order the kafir to convert-or-die, and they're perfectly happy to take turns doing it.
have the posted pics of the said body, or is this all propaganda.
things will get worse before they get better, do you think just because the "leader" is dead that they will go away?? Hell now, someone worse than Bin Laden is waiting in in the background
I think it is interesting and great that the US finally got him... he spent 9.5 years fearing for his life every day, may as well have been in prison. Sure, he may have been in a plush and cozy mansion, but knowing that you are being hunted by relentless and supremely equipped hunters must have taken its toll mentally. I'm not sure if it'll help recruit or help deter Al Quada though... on one hand they have another martyr, on the other, it proves that no matter how long it takes, the US will get its man. I must admit, I did not think the US would ever get him after about 6 years ago. It goes to show that the determination of the US is incredible. Lets see how much credit Obama takes!
Why not? To quote one decorated commander:
"We won by sending wave after wave of men at the killbots until they reached their pre-programmed kill limit and shut down!"
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That really seems a weird decision. I'm just waiting for folks to start insisting that our quick disposal of the body is proof that it's all a hoax and Obama just announced it as a cheap ploy to help his approval ratings.
One problem is, the US is not at war with Pakistan, or with Al Qaida (because they're not a state). I don't think the Geneva convention says anything about how to deal with terrorists.
It is beyond me why you are modded up. First, you capitalize He, implying that either he thinks of himself or his supporters think of him as God. We don't...it was the right that started that off with their stupid commercial during the campaign. Most of the left is fairly disappointed about how middle of the road he has been. (And seriously, grow up) Second, in his address he clearly commends the people who have worked so hard to make this happen. Third, he didn't appear on some ship claiming mission success. He just got on and told everyone what happened in a very presidential manner.
You may not like the guy's policies but you have to give credit where it is due. Think if your guy was in office right now...you don't think he would deserve any credit?
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Operation Desert Storm didn't make him look good enough to not be a one-termer.
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They nailed his son, too.
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I didn't said that what I stated was a good thing, I was just pointing what happened and what is happening. If someone told me 10 years ago that we would be seeing an american president begging for money to the chinese I would have laughed at him and his insane rabid anti-americanism, but that is what happened in 2009. For all his misdeeds, OBL didn't take away by himself USA's prosperity, habeas corpus, due process, respect for human rights and country's Constitution. All of that was self inflicted damage, unless you think that is a good thing that the US Constitution doesn't apply 100 miles from any US border, or that the president by himself can order the killing of an american citizen without intervention from the judiciary branch.
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That's what Osama gets for using the IPHONE
...this event shows that war is not the correct way to wage this fight.
In the lead up to these two wars, many said that we should focus on intelligence and surgical special ops, as well as treat this as an international law enforcement matter rather than wage two wars. Instead, Bush (and now Obama) have decided that we need to use a jackhammer to push in a thumbtack. The wars are insanely expensive, anger people enough to provide al Qa'eda with endless volunteers and donors, and for what? So we can shoot up wedding parties and torture cab drivers by the thousand? The wars are stupid, expensive, and counterproductive. This should be an intelligence/law enforcement matter, not an excuse for the ongoing occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Damn, what did the poor sharks do wrong to be fed Osama's corpse?
He has every reason to be humble, since he has almost nothing to do with it.
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Fine, you want to do the history walk-back concerning the US and violent ME Islam? Islamic pirates pillaging US shipping and killing and capturing US civilians while being harbored by local leaders. So, in the case of US and violent ME Islam, they indeed started it.
Harry S. Truman -- Term in Office 1945 to 1953 -- Oversaw the United States' Victory in Europe and over Japan.
Richard M. Nixon -- Term in Office 1969 to 1974 -- Oversaw the United States' diplomatic reconnection with China, creating a strategic balance of power placed the Soviet Union solidly second to the United States for the remainder of its existence.
Ronald W. Reagan -- Term in Office 1981 to 1989 -- Oversaw the collapse of the Soviet Union and the firm establishment of the United States' as the world's only Superpower.
William J. Clinton -- Term in Office 1993 to 2001 -- Oversaw the United States' longest period of Economic growth since World War II, leading to the countries first Balanced Budget in a Generation.
Barack H. Obama -- Term in Office 2009 to 2017 -- Oversaw the United States' victory over organized Terrorism by securing the d e a t h of Osama Bin Laden.
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I'm sorry folks, but in politics "to the victor go the spoils".
"Don't be a martyr -- BE THE ONE WHO GOT AWAY!"
Basic rules of the game, the country with the most nukes, best army and most disregard for international laws is the one that gets to play the game by their rules
International law and shit is for the little people.
I'm done with Slashdot. Too much is enough. Thanks for the ten-year ride.
Third, he didn't appear on some ship claiming mission success.
In an interesting coincidence Bush's Mission Accomplished speech was on May 1, 2003. Now, one of the mission's is finally accomplished.
First, this is one of the few times I am happy some has been killed. He deserved it.
2nd, I was at the Phillies game where everyone did the "U-S-A" chant. Very powerful moment. I'll never forget it.
3rd, screw politics. Bad guy is dead. Fin.
Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
In his double wide with a bottle of Maker's Mark.
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rediculous.
He was the leader of a major terrorist organization. Rather than antagonize them, treating the body with respect shows we're reasonable and encourages peace.
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You have a different view of law than most people. If no one is ever prosecuted or threatened with prosecution, then it isn't illegal. Even the courts agree (one reason sodomy laws sat on the books for so long is that nobody anywhere actually enforced them, thus, according to legal doctrine in the US, it wasn't "illegal" in a manner that could be challenged in court). The US even has similar things in place, where an Executive Order allowing it would have had the force of law. You can't violate someone's sovereignty with a brief operation executed with permission and oversight. Well, unless you are an ultra-national (in the derogatory sense) where you think every treaty ratified in accordance with the Constitution is a violation of US sovereignty, as well as all those evil diplomats in the US on "foreign soil" and with evil diplomatic immunity.
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Obama certainly lost all standing with his Muslim brothers. I wouldn't want to be him. Talk about painting a big target on your own back. This actually took guts. He won't be visiting any Arab or Muslim countries any time soon.
I actually would like to send a shout out to President Obama. Good Job!!!
wake up and hold your nose
There is a common theme to some comments made about terrorism and the situation in the middle east which I would like to examine.
Lets take two scenarios.
Scenario I - A man craftily and with active malice orchestrates the simultaneous hijacking of four planes and then has three of them successfully crash into highly symbolic targets and kills lots of civilians (about 3000 for those who care about numbers). This man then glories in these deaths and uses this attack to recruit and motivate more like minded individuals.
Scenario II - Small radicalized subgroups in a country attack another country and kill a few hundred people over a duration of years. The attacked country responds by sending in military and bombing suspected locations where the radicalized subgroup is harbored and over the process of a few years kills thousands of people and making the lives of 100s of thousands more miserable. Many of the thousands that die are not directly killed but die of disease, untreated wounds, and the general anarchy of the situation. Most of those thousands are not part of this radicalized subgroup and are civilians. But many of these civilians harbor deep antipathy towards the country that is attacking them even going as far as believing that it would be a moral good if the attacking country were to be removed from the face of the earth. The originally attacked country justifies their aggressive response by saying that it is the only way they know to deter radicalized subgroups from continuing their attacks against them and they have the right to defend themselves.
There are some who argue that the man in scenario I and the originally attacked country in scenario II are essentially equivalent in the moral weight of their wrongness of their actions and others who argue that they are fundamentally different. There are some who would argue those who suffered in scenario II are justified in participating in actions similar to scenario I.
I believe that scenario I is much more representative of true evil than scenario II even though the suffering in scenario II is greater and I see it as the difference that differentiates first degree murder in cold blood and other lesser forms of murder. Each ends up with people dying, but the first should get you put in prison for life, the second may only put you into jail for a few years. I am not saying that scenario II is not evil, but it is hard not to be sympathetic with those who are responding to aggression against themselves with their own aggression even if the response is of disproportionate magnitude greater than the provoking attack.
I will say one more thing about this. I have noticed that people's opinions about scenario II are very much dependent on their connections to and feelings about the people involved. The person in scenario I is pretty much universally despised.
You cannot fight a war without an enemy. We also had a lot of field equipment that needed testing.
Is there nothing Chuck can't do?
Does no one else notice the discrepancy? Right here on Slashdot there's an update to a report saying the operation was carried out a week ago and it took them this long to verify the body. ReallyVirtual's tweets were from *yesterday*. Why am I the only one seemingly questioning this?
Images don't mean proof nowadays. Been on the Internet lately? Many can photoshop to the point even pixel by pixel comparison leads to 50% probability.
The technology today can create 98% accurate reality, that's why social medium has taken off: we need *trust* to filter the cruft.
Images are just that, data, you still need interpretation and trust to make it into information. And then you need opinion and analysis to figure out if it's proof. If we can't trust our President, why don't we just shut it all down today. Conspiracy theorists will apply, but if they are right, in due time they will have their day--otherwise it's another just egos clashing.
Just sayin'.
Saddam gave up when our soldiers discovered his spider-hole. So they captured him and took him to the military equivalent of jail.
Saddam's sons and their companion woke up to find the U.S. Army outside their hiding-hole. One of them got the "bright idea" to open fire on the U.S. Army. The U.S. Army returned fire and killed them all.
The news accounts on bin Laden's death say that the SEALs killed him after a forty-minute firefight, after he had refused to surrender. And people are ragging on them for not taking him alive?!?!?!?
Maybe you're right about the USA, nothing lasts forever. It's been a hell of a ride though and it ain't quite over yet. I've heard the suicide thing before but I'm not so sure they didn't have help. It hardly matters though. No one really misses his ass any more than Bin Laden and Sad Hussein. Truly it's not an eye for an eye as he can never repay for all his evil. As I said I don't feel happiness over this, just satisfaction that at last the evil son of a bitch is dead.
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Who said Pakistan "never" prosecutes incursions into their territory?
I'm just saying that if Pakistan's government willingly looked the other way when a US special ops team slipped into their country, it doesn't make the ops team's actions legal. The special ops team has no right to apprehend someone under those circumstances, and the target of the operation is in their full rights to use force to defend themselves against being kidnapped - even if they are guilty of a crime.
A suspect is only obligated to surrender to the police or an equivalent government-sanctioned force, not to any vigilante who knocks on their door.
All of this could be academical if it turns out the USA intended to assassinate Bin Laden from the start, as some sources claim.
True - the big players, like China and the USA, are often able to ignore international laws, even the ones they agreed to follow, and get away with it. I was just pointing out the error in believing that everything was fine and legal with the killing of Bin Laden.
I'm just saying that if Pakistan's government willingly looked the other way when a US special ops team slipped into their country, it doesn't make the ops team's actions legal.
And I'm saying it does. If the people that make and enforce the laws give you permission to do something, it's legal.
I'm also asserting that anyone who uses the word "sovereignty" is a nutcase that should just join a militia and move to the middle of nowhere. There is not any violation of sovereignty to perform a military operation with permission. And those that discuss sovereignty are almost always anti-UN anti-treaty nuts who would prefer Hitler win WWII than the US get involved.
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AQ has shown a fetish long after 9/11 of trying to work terrorism through planes
Can you back this up?
Hey, I finally got my first freak! Took you long enough!
I never claimed we were fighting AQ in Iraq before Saddam fell, if you re-read my post. You obviously came with a talking point to spread, not to add to the discussion.
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Can you back this up?
Come on dude.
Underwear, shoe, package.
Ring any bells?
Repeatedly over the years since 9/11 there have been actual attacks plus dry runs at attacking air travel, despite it being something of a stupid target at this point.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Of the terrorist that were actually stopped, it was done by passengers!
Proving my point that air travel is the right focus for prevention of terrorism, since more actions have been stopped there than on land in the U.S..
The right technique may very well just be to let passengers take care of things themselves. If you enhance that ability then that may be all you need.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Wow... you need to step back in that time machine and head back to the 50's there bud...
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True, the US government can often do what they damn well please, since they have by far the largest military budget in the world.
But don't think we haven't noticed how that budget is putting your government deeper and deeper into debt, and the day when you will be denied new loans is getting closer and closer.
How are you going to pay your army then? Declare a state of emergency and let the state take over the industries (i.e, turn socialist)? That's the path Nazi Germany went down, and we know what happened to them.
Presumably it's something to do with airport scanners?
No, that would mean someone could just bribe the government into looking the other way, and it would suddenly become legal. For example, a corporation could bribe the government of an African nation to look the other way while they dump their toxic waste, but that doesn't make it legal. Or the government could choose to look the other way while someone rigs the election to their benefit, but that doesn't make it legal.
The government is put in power by the people to act on their behalf. The laws act as instructions for the government. When the government breaks the law, they're acting without the people's consent.
There is not any violation of sovereignty to perform a military operation with permission.
Well, if the Pakistani government gave their permission, perhaps we can't criticise the US military for going there, even if it was against Pakistani law. After all, it's the local government's responsibility to enforce their own laws.
But neither can we blame a suspect for defending himself when a special ops team, without legal authority in the country, suddenly shows up outside his door and tries to take him away. If the special ops team kills the suspect when he defends himself, it's manslaughter or worse.
So far, we know too little. We don't know what permission, if any, the Pakistani government gave, we don't know if the special ops team went there with the intention to kill or to capture Bin Laden, and we don't know if they identified themselves or just snuck into the building and started shooting. Perhaps we will never know for sure.
In the case of Bin Laden, most people don't care about due process. But I'm worried about what the US government will do next. What if they go after people like Assange? Leading American politicians have seriously suggested assassinating foreign citizens. What's next - threatening to kill anyone who blows the whistle on places like Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo? Will I be put on the list if I donate money to Wikileaks?
In the case of Bin Laden, most people don't care about due process. But I'm worried about what the US government will do next.
Next? Next? Haven't you been following the news for the last 40 years? This isn't the first step on a slippery slope, it's just another action consistent with what's gone before and will come later.
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After listening to Obama’s speech, I must say I’m quite disappointed by his use of the term “Justice”. I his discourse, he said “justice has been done”. Is this the way a democracy should do or talk about justice? Of course everyone knows Bin Laden is guilty and should be punished. But where’s the trial? And why should we assume he deserved death penalty (what if you are against death penalty)? And why should the USA be the country that judges Bin Laden, and not any other country that has also suffered from Al Qaeda's terrorist attacks? I don’t criticise the act of killing Bin Laden in the special circumstances it is reported he was killed. But I don’t agree with the way the discourse has been built afterwards. What do you think?
They said a corpse was wrapped in a white sheet and dumped unceremoniously into the ocean, or sea, or other body of salt water. Wonderful. No body or gravesite to bring mourners and followers. I believe that burial at sea is a wonderful idea.
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Your clarification could use some corrections as well. AQ (terrorists herein described as AQ for purposes of simplification) was in Iraq for a time. The tide turned in the surge mainly due to the actions of the local militias. Granted, we bribed and strong-armed them onto action, but mainly they were getting really sick of the foreigners destroying their lives and afraid of the kind of indiscriminate killing that our surge numbers would produce. They drove out and killed most of the foreigners because they can tell the difference and we largely can't. Now they're having a quiet civil war that is just barely kept in check by our presence. The populace wants us out so they can move on with winning or losing and the politicians we've backed want us to stay so they don't get slaughtered by the next strong-man to emerge when we leave. What we can claim to have done is initiate a war based on false pretenses that attracted AQ there. Once there, we attacked terrorists and anyone else with a weapon in-hand. In the process, over a million locals have been killed (not just Iraqis, because a significant minority were foreigners) and the society has been pretty much turned inside-out. Hardly anyone would say that Iraq is more stable and less friendly to terrorism than before we invaded.
Afghanistan has hardly been a more successful campaign. It's now the number one opium growing region in the world. We and our proxies are in active negotiation to re-establish the Taliban as part of the power bloc controlling the region so that we may leave without looking like the cause of another civil war there, which will almost inevitably lead to regional powers that are friendly to AQ. I say region, because Afghanistan cannot properly be called a country in the way we think of it. It's a conglomeration of tribes that share some allegiance to regional authorities which sometimes broker relations with the outside world. We treat it as a state because we had to attack it and on a political level we have no understanding of a non-state entity.
Finally: Iran now has more influence over both of their neighbors than before. We did kill Bin Laden and a bunch of other terrorists. It has so far cost the lives of over 7,000 U.S. soldiers, 32,000 U.S. wounded, probably a million+ civilians and over a trillion dollars.
You mentioned that the airport security response is in the right direction, but largely bungled. I would argue that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are the same scenario. Response in the right direction but costing so many lives and dollars at a scale so large that we just don't comprehend the tragedy. Yes, we should attack and kill terrorists. We should support democracy over tyranny. The reality is that we support tyranny because it's easier to deal with one client than a few million who are not as easily bought-off. If we stop supporting dictators, a lot of the fuel for the fire of terrorism will be removed and we won't have to go to war in the process.
Point taken.
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Not to nitpick or anything, but not a single one of the linked articles talked about him having been killed a week ago.
Also, if he was killed a week ago then the supposed person who tweeted the raid unknowingly is really a CIA agent.
Unless I'm missing something, I call bull.
Give a direct source for your claims please.
Tell me a situation where "hate" is a rational and appropriate way to respond.
If someone has made themselves a worthy target of hatred, then it is right to hate them.
You say all those other terms aren't "hate" - I say they're merely window-dressing, a veneer of misguided faux-civility over one's true feelings. Hence, I maintain my argument that everybody hates something or someone, therefore we are all "haters" and the term is meaningless.
It is possible to have both emotion and intellect, but the more you have of one, the less you will have of the other. ...
The brain cannot handle hate and thinking at the same time.
Since when?
Bow-ties are cool.